Tell me your favorite stock and I'll tell you why it's shit.

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Warlie Bunger !!+spP+Mrujsp Sun Nov 27 02:10:05 2022 No.52629165 [Reply] [Original]

Tell me your favorite stock and I'll tell you why it's shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 02:11:07 2022 No.52629171 >>52629165 RLX is my recession bread and butter

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 02:12:21 2022 No.52629178 >>52629165 UNH

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 02:12:43 2022 No.52629182 For me? It's ZIM (NYSE ticker: ZIM)

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 02:13:24 2022 No.52629191 BRK

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 02:13:59 2022 No.52629194 File: 94 KB, 730x1095, taylor_swift_weight_gain_2_by_flyingcloth_defcoi4-pre.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>52629165 BRK.A

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 02:14:05 2022 No.52629195 File: 65 KB, 519x878, 1612256365253.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>52629165 Microsoft (part of my compensation is in Microsoft RSUs)

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 02:14:07 2022 No.52629196 File: 94 KB, 682x720, 1654449137030.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>52629165 SQQQ

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 02:14:12 2022 No.52629198 AAPL

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 02:14:27 2022 No.52629199 >>52629165 I bought a bunch of AUCOY on a broker that didn't have it blocked when the war broke out. They eventually blocked it, but not before I accumulated a bunch for cheap. I am waiting for the conflict to resolve now.

Warlie Bunger !!+spP+Mrujsp Sun Nov 27 02:14:50 2022 No.52629202

>>52629171
>RLX
First of all, VIE means no ownership or control of the equity. Only to the cash flows of the company, if they are paid out as such. If a non-chinese majority shareholder has a majority control, they will have no legal rights. Do you really own something if it's not backed by right of ownership? Might as well buy QD and 6x your money if you believe that you can own equity in chinese companies, contrary to chinese law.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 02:14:59 2022 No.52629206 File: 99 KB, 1130x900, 1669001280885478.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>52629191 Fuck you get out of my head

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 02:15:21 2022 No.52629210 meta obv

Warlie Bunger !!+spP+Mrujsp Sun Nov 27 02:21:10 2022 No.52629271

>>52629178
>UNH
You're essentially buying this for 500 billion:
42B in cash & equiv
extremely questionable receivables, lots of red tape to cross for it to be worth the time value
As the population ages, sure, they'll experience more growth. However, are you really willing to pay 500B for something that won't be making 500B in less than 10 years? Is the overpaying for potential growth worth it? I suggest looking for another player in the market where the growth is practically not priced in (yet?). You'll find it. Do a comparative analysis!

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 02:26:20 2022 No.52629297 >>52629165 UUUU

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 02:26:21 2022 No.52629298 >>52629271 It generated $315 billion in revenue last year. Valuation seems quite reasonable given the consistent growth over many decades.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 02:27:22 2022 No.52629305 Tesla :^)

Warlie Bunger !!+spP+Mrujsp Sun Nov 27 02:27:30 2022 No.52629306

>>52629182
>ZIM
Uh oh! You've missed the boat, Anon. This was a nice play before and while FFA rates were peaking. Check out the 2019 operating income, multiply this by 4 and you'll have a good approximation of the next few years. That's 450M annually. Liabilities subtracted by cash and (strong!) receivables are about 2B, you're paying 3B for the company so... In about 10 years you'll have doubled your money! Why not buy an index?
P.S. Whiplash effect works both ways, orders will get cancelled. Sorry pal.

>>	Warlie Bunger !!+spP+Mrujsp Sun Nov 27 02:28:31 2022 No.52629312 >>52629191 >BRK Based! If you're running billions. Check out smaller markets for less competition.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 02:29:05 2022 No.52629314 >>52629165 GME

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 02:29:14 2022 No.52629315 >>52629306 >conveniently ignores the industry leading dividend Shit fud

Warlie Bunger !!+spP+Mrujsp Sun Nov 27 02:34:04 2022 No.52629347

>>52629194
>>52629312

>>52629195
>MSFT
Not bad. Believe it or not, the cloud market is still in its baby shoes. Azure has an excellent framework in place for businesses to grow, both big and small, and boy do they love Azure Devops. Excellent long term hold for a set and forget portfolio, probably outperforming the average. No stress, unless you're looking for bigger gains on capital that isn't billions.

>>52629196
What the hell do you need leverage for? Shorting is a loser's game.

>>52629198
>AAPL
Good long term hold like my comment on MSFT. Up there, even though I prefer MSFT. Look for smaller markets to get bigger gains. AAPL is an absolute cult market. I was at the tech store once and overheard a middle-aged guy saying "if it doesn't have an apple on it, I don't want it."

Warlie Bunger !!+spP+Mrujsp Sun Nov 27 02:40:30 2022 No.52629390

>>52629199
Interesting play! Although estimating the operating worth of the properties held by the company requires more in-depth analysis, this is probably one of the better plays I've seen on this thread so far. Keep your head cool and hold. این نیز بگذرد

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 02:42:26 2022 No.52629406 >>52629202 Should I sell then? I’m up 60% on that trade

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 02:48:16 2022 No.52629437 >>52629390 Yeah think I am going to hold it very long term, even after things resolve. The dividends are fat.

Warlie Bunger !!+spP+Mrujsp Sun Nov 27 02:54:04 2022 No.52629481

>>52629210
>META
This one's extremely polarizing. Personally I think if the company is going to keep dumping money into metaverse endeavors I don't think it's attractive at all. If they start returning capital to shareholders, this is a very attractive play. Personally I don't know, I like making sure-fire winning bets.

>>52629297
>UUUU
I'd dump it. Losing money consistently, overpriced balance sheet and continuously dilutes shareholders to keep operations going.

>>52629298
Revenue by its own doesn't mean much https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owner_earnings

>>52629305
>TSLA
> :^)
Batteries are coming from China, and their industry is rising. Best tech gets national preference meaning all chinese competiton is cutting in line. Also way overpriced.

>>52629314
>GME
Squeeze happened already, sorry buddy you missed the bus.

>>52629315
Dividends don't mean much since your principal tanks when they are paid out, and I actually dislike them. It means that the company would rather pay have you pay taxes on your gains than compound it.

>>52629406
Unless you think that the chinese law will change on equity ownership and control, absolutely! Congratulations on your profit.

>>52629437
That's fine, even though there are even better plays out there! Never stop looking.
hint: All that is gold does not glitter.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 02:55:05 2022 No.52629486 >>52629165 Grinder

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 02:57:53 2022 No.52629494 NHY.OL

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 02:58:24 2022 No.52629500 File: 15 KB, 474x284, 16BD13E8-5291-4CED-9754-5486C45BB470.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>52629165 Aapl

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 03:00:04 2022 No.52629509 File: 62 KB, 4096x1561, bhp.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>52629165 BHP

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 03:00:23 2022 No.52629511 >>52629165 MMTLP

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 03:01:15 2022 No.52629517 >>52629165 ftx (ficker: ftt (token on eth))

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 03:03:48 2022 No.52629539 >>52629165 Warren Bussin

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 03:05:34 2022 No.52629549 >>52629165 MMAT

Warlie Bunger !!+spP+Mrujsp Sun Nov 27 03:09:04 2022 No.52629569

>>52629486
>GRND
This isn't looking very good. Unless you think half the people you see around you are closet gay and ready to open up you're not going to be seeing any significant profit any time soon.

>>52629494
>NHY.OL
Good if you *know* the price of alumin(i)um will remain this high. I personally have no clue. Keep in mind that this will absolutely tank if we go to pre 2020 level prices.

>>52629500
already covered

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 03:16:52 2022 No.52629610 >>52629165 $COIN $HOOD

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 03:18:40 2022 No.52629623 SE SHOP

Warlie Bunger !!+spP+Mrujsp Sun Nov 27 03:18:43 2022 No.52629624

>>52629509
Metal prices are pretty high so I really don't know, good play if it remains like this for 5+ years though. They do have excellent pricing power being the largest, so it's not like I'm expecting them to go under or anything. Requires in-depth analysis and you really have to keep track of industry-wide demands and supply.

>>52629511
Okay, you're going to have to explain this one to me instead, because this is a "what the fuck" moment for me. Pump and dump?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 03:26:07 2022 No.52629674 >>52629165 AES or IMB

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 03:26:37 2022 No.52629677 pbr

Warlie Bunger !!+spP+Mrujsp Sun Nov 27 03:27:53 2022 No.52629689

>>52629517
>>52629539
:^)

>>52629549
>MMAT
>>52629624

>>52629610
Too much inherent risk for the price given their questionable practices, I don't think these will end well.

>>52629623
I don't like SHOP, I would pay 10 bucks per share for it though. The only reason they had this massive bubble price going on is because they invested in a small financial company that got big, IPOd and they sold off a large portion on a high valuation. That is a one-time profit. I don't like their business model since there is no moat, I can see Medusa on GitHub becoming bigger.
For SE I'd expect more dilution, also feeble moat. Don't expect profit any time soon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 03:29:49 2022 No.52629709 File: 6 KB, 267x189, holy cpu batman.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] cool bread OP CLF?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 03:33:55 2022 No.52629751 >>52629709 Lmao, you can't be serious

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 03:36:07 2022 No.52629775 >>52629674 IBM*

Warlie Bunger !!+spP+Mrujsp Sun Nov 27 03:39:49 2022 No.52629819

>>52629674
With IMB do you mean imperial brands?
I like AES way more than IMB.L
For AES: Although it's very difficult to guesstimate the operating value of those production plants, it doesn't really matter since the market is growing rapidly. I think this is an excellent long term hold, better than the index for sure. Don't worry about the non-cash expenses of the business, when you adjust for these temporary setbacks and look long term it's a beautiful business once they've finished restructuring. I wonder why big money is pricing this so low. Expect earnings expansion in the future!

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 03:41:21 2022 No.52629834 >>52629165 IEP

>>	Warlie Bunger !!+spP+Mrujsp Sun Nov 27 03:42:16 2022 No.52629841 >>52629775 Even worse than IMB, don't touch it. Xerox is interesting for big money though if you're looking for those types of businesses. Icahn is buying for a reason and it's not just HP.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 03:43:32 2022 No.52629863 >>52629165 INTC

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 03:44:30 2022 No.52629876 Ser please do the needful and tell me about the JXN

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Warlie Bunger !!+spP+Mrujsp Sun Nov 27 03:50:39 2022 No.52629929

>>52629709
>CLF
There's only one problem imo, if the working capital erodes because clients are experiencing illiquidity then they will be in trouble and you can expect dilution to happen. I don't think that risk is very high though. I think the business model is pretty good and the earnings power on the active assets of the company is strong. I don't think there's much more crazy growth left but at this price I like it better than the index. Nothing crazy though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 03:55:17 2022 No.52629957 >>52629165 Are ETFs okay? If so, please do SCHD and VOO.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 03:55:32 2022 No.52629958 >>52629841 Hello sirs interesting thread. Please guide me to resources to assessing stock value as you do. Thank you sirs

Warlie Bunger !!+spP+Mrujsp Sun Nov 27 03:57:36 2022 No.52629968

>>52629800
already covered

>>52629834
>IEP
The guy is smart, not hating on Icahn, but he's very unpredictable at times and tends to not get what he wants nowadays. Look at Xerox-HP deal blowup. Clearly he's raising more capital through equity so I wouldn't buy into his efforts that way.

>>52629863
>INTC
I like it! I think the market is mispricing intel big time, because there is a lot of uncertainty about the adjusted margins of the fabs over the next 10 years. Pat is a rockstar CEO. I also think the semiconductor business is much less cyclical than most analysts think and that cyclicality will reduce even more over time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 03:58:16 2022 No.52629977 >>52629624 Thanks for the commentary on BHP, I agree with it. They're (probably) taking over a copper miner in the next few months which I think is a good move.

Warlie Bunger !!+spP+Mrujsp Sun Nov 27 04:07:21 2022 No.52630057

>>52629876
I really, really do NOT like these types of overleveraged business. Same with banks. It's impossible to get the whole picture and you're basically putting your trust in the skill and integrity of the management and the skill of the auditors. Valuations don't really matter when shit hits the fan so to speak.

>>52629957
ETFs are fine if you don't mind small gains and have a long time horizon. No need to diversify between ETFs. Personally I like non-leveraged classic broad market accumulating ETFs unless you're ready to retire and dividends are taxed less than sales wherever you live.

>>52629958
https://www.grahamanddoddsville.net/?page_id=933 read and listen to every single thing they have published

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 04:09:27 2022 No.52630078 >>52630057 >overleveraged DAMN, 0 debt and a PE of .48 is overleveraged?!? Better go all in on my cousin's popsicle stand then.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 04:09:32 2022 No.52630081 >>52630057 >unless you're ready to retire Let's say you are an early retiree with 5 million USD, would you dump it into VOO or SCHD?

Warlie Bunger !!+spP+Mrujsp Sun Nov 27 04:21:17 2022 No.52630179

>>52630081
probably VOO, but it won't really matter much at that point because your yields will be more than you need regardless to retire comfortably.

>>52630078
PE has nothing to do with leverage and a single year of earnings doesn't tell you much about the risks of the business.
There's a reason it's priced at 0.48:
-the market cap is 3.2B
-tangible assets of 10B
- the company has 33B in receivables. How much do you think they will actually recoup of that? Since you're dealing with financial services to non-businesses, unpaid receivables often mean permanent loss since it's not worth jumping through hoops to collect a few bucks off of a LOT of people. For larger clients, this often means personal bankruptcy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 04:25:24 2022 No.52630225 >>52629165 Swing trading Occidental petroleum ticker oxy and waiting for idt corp ticker idt to fall to 10 dollars and below then hold long

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 04:25:53 2022 No.52630230 >>52630179 >your yields will be more than you need regardless to retire comfortably Good point, VOO also has a dividend, which at 5 million USD equates to around 80k a year, all qualified.

>>	Warlie Bunger !!+spP+Mrujsp Sun Nov 27 04:27:18 2022 No.52630243 >>52630078 Forgot to add, on top of this, annuities will do well in a rising interest rates environment. What will happen when they stop rising?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 04:28:29 2022 No.52630250 >>52630225 With oxy I'm waiting for it to either crash with oil or buy close to/ under 60 as possible and sell around 75 with current oil prices

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 04:29:42 2022 No.52630260 >>52630243 >when they stop rising There are no stops on this pain train

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 04:30:00 2022 No.52630263 Gold, Silver, Platinum, Palladium

Warlie Bunger !!+spP+Mrujsp Sun Nov 27 04:35:03 2022 No.52630301

>>52630225
>>52630250
I don't like swing trading like that too much. IDT requires more in-depth analysis but if they keep performing like that you're gonna be very lucky if you can buy at $10

>>52630263
those are commodities not businesses

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 04:36:10 2022 No.52630313 >>52629165 BAC. Name one thing bad about it >pro tip you can't

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 04:36:34 2022 No.52630315 TD

Warlie Bunger !!+spP+Mrujsp Sun Nov 27 04:44:52 2022 No.52630375

>>52630313
>BAC
I don't like leveraged businesses see:
>>52630057
>>52630179
Although if you insist, this is probably your best bet along with goldman sachs.
But since you're not running billions, why not look for nice small non-financial companies with lots of growth to go and a strong balance sheet?

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 04:44:59 2022 No.52630378
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>>52629624
>Okay, you're going to have to explain this one to me instead, because this is a "what the fuck" moment for me. Pump and dump?

Spin off from MMAT being taken private, heavy short exposure that will have to close before delisted. Short squeeze play

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 04:46:43 2022 No.52630395 RACE

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 04:48:07 2022 No.52630404 >>52629165 FNKO RRGB FUBO

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 04:51:04 2022 No.52630419 >>52629165 sunrun :)

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 04:53:02 2022 No.52630427

>>52630375
>But since you're not running billions, why not look for nice small non-financial companies with lots of growth to go and a strong balance sheet?
I'm new to value investing so this might not be the best pick. But WEN is a stock that I truly believe will give me contestant growth and dividens for the future. Do you think WEN is a good pick?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 04:54:35 2022 No.52630441 File: 144 KB, 840x1120, WHERE THERE IS SMOKE THERE IS FIRE back forward 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>52629165 PBT

Warlie Bunger !!+spP+Mrujsp Sun Nov 27 04:55:40 2022 No.52630452

Second to last post for me guys, I'll do the ones above this post and then I'mma head out.

>>52630315
>TD
see >>52630375

>>52630378
at what price is it being taken private? How sure are you that it will be taken private? sources?

>>52630395
plain overvalued and rising competition

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 05:01:54 2022 No.52630491

>>52630452
>at what price is it being taken private? How sure are you that it will be taken private? sources?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/meta-materials-inc-board-directors-210500449.html

It’s a portion of the business being divested, new entity will not be publicly traded

Warlie Bunger !!+spP+Mrujsp Sun Nov 27 05:17:18 2022 No.52630574

>>52630404
>FNKO
What's going on with their receivables? Requires heavy credit analysis. If they get paid off, great buy, if not, I'd look into the future credibility of those receivables.
>RRGB
I don't like it. Huge amount of leverage on what seems like a bad business.
>FUBO
Expect more dilution, I don't like it. The business is like a leech on a rotting corpse.

>>52630419
>RUN
No, seriously. RUN.
I don't like it. Someone else mentioned a renewable energy company earlier which I did like. This will keep diluting and run itself into the ground while competition is rising. How are these people running severe losses in a booming industry?

>>52630427
>WEN
Not really... I like the S&P more. Why don't you compare WEN to other fast food chains? WEN's working capital seem to be eroding which is never good for the investor. I'm sure WEN has a strong moat but the price you pay already has a lot of growth priced in.

>>52630441
>PBT
Way overpriced. Many great oil & gas companies out there for cheap prices and this isn't one of them.

Thank you all for participating!
I hope you got something out of it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 05:26:23 2022 No.52630622 >>52629390 I speak Farsi you faggot benchode

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 05:26:42 2022 No.52630624 $GDXJ $GGO $BLAGF

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 05:30:13 2022 No.52630648
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>>52629165
i was looking at buying shares of jpm back in october when it was near a 52 week low but i was hesitant because i was looking for something with a little more "value" should have just bought the dip

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 05:31:19 2022 No.52630652 uranium miners

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 05:33:14 2022 No.52630664 >>52629165 LPI and RGLD

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 06:21:51 2022 No.52630977
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>>52629165
stepan companies (scl)
all I know about them is they extract the coca flavoring for coca cola thats why theyre my favorite stock, because they got permission to import cocaine so they must be doing something right

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 06:24:04 2022 No.52630987 >>52629165 Coca cola

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 09:19:36 2022 No.52631998 CAT

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 09:24:35 2022 No.52632030 >>52629165 Apple AAPL

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 09:58:19 2022 No.52632222 >>52629165 Baron Oil (BOIL)

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 10:03:27 2022 No.52632250 PBR MMM

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 10:45:41 2022 No.52632529

Easterneuropoor here, my folio is as follows:

- 33% VWRL (global stock market ETF)
- 33% US dividend kings/aristocrats
- 33% Baltic leading stocks (the dividends are fat since the marketcap is very small - outsiders can't buy because you need a local bank account for it and no foreign fund wants to park $100 mill here just to massively float the market, locals invest mostly into real estate).

Also in 2021, Baltic was the top performing market - right before Saudis IIRC. Ofcourse there's a huge geopolitical risk but as a local it's easy to feel the general market sentiment here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 10:48:06 2022 No.52632542 BABA

Anonymous Sun Nov 27 11:02:34 2022 No.52632620

At these prices, my favorite stock is NEM. My next favorite is probably VZ. Favorite Corp is IBM, but they're fair to over valued imo. The only tech plays I like price wise are edge computing telcos like VOD, T (fuck their debt burden), and SKT, and maybe also Intel due to price (but I already hopped out).

>>52629199
>>52629509
Metalchads wagmi (assuming the government doesn't absolutely shed our assholes

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 13:23:11 2022 No.52633564 >>52629165 is now a good time to buy stocks or do you think the market will go down further is all i wanna know

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 13:24:10 2022 No.52633571 GEO Group :)

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 27 13:26:04 2022 No.52633587 >>52629165 ALPP

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