LEARN TO CODE

[Anonymous No.52549285]

Top 10 paying languages as of 2022 according to professionals on Stack Overflow.
Link to full survey: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#overview

[Anonymous No.52549342]

>>52549285
Fuck off, we are full

[Anonymous No.52549383]

>no java
>no c#
>golang
>rust
>f# !!!!!!
fake and gay

[Anonymous No.52549402]

>>52549285
I tried learning how to code but I simply didn't understand anything.

[Anonymous No.52549426]

>>52549285
$100k Python programmer

[Anonymous No.52549428]

>>52549285
Fake list

[Anonymous No.52549452]

>>52549285
I'm learning lua to make a roblox game and make money off kids.

[Anonymous No.52549462]

I don't think you can get a job without a degree

[Anonymous No.52549473]

>>52549285
>just learn to code bro, it's easy just follow some tutorials online and make a website and companies will line up to hire you despite you having zero certifications or job experience
Tech bubble is popping, hundreds of thousands of code monkies are being laid off and you'll be competing for job openings alongside them and tens of thousands of fresh CS grads every year who have internships and a piece of paper saying they're better than you

[Anonymous No.52549481]

>>52549452
price it right or the chargebacks from mom's credit card are going to kill your business.

[Anonymous No.52549482]

But how would I get a job? I'm so poor right now anons.

[Anonymous No.52549484]

>>52549383
pajeet languages are down the list

[Anonymous No.52549494]

>>52549285
cf. the 10 most popular languages

[Anonymous No.52549499]

>>52549285
fake psyop shit you will never make a $ knowing any of these indie dogshitspeaks

[Anonymous No.52549522]

>>52549499
elixir/ruby here, making ~110k per year after tax
many such cases btw

[Anonymous No.52549543]

>>52549484
assemblysisters..

[Anonymous No.52549548]

>>52549285
>>52549494
Conclusion: The "mainstream" languages are swamped with Pajeet and Chink competition. Mastering a smaller niche language with high demand will result in a commensurately higher salary.

[Anonymous No.52549557]

>>52549285
What is this? Starting pay globally? From what I hear about dev pay in the US it cannot be just USA and median wage.

[Anonymous No.52549590]

>>52549285
>trust me bro. i have some data too
that's the result of people who graduated top uni and joined a top company as engineer. just give up for yourself if you belong to so-so company or are random streetshitter without real job. learning how to code takes you nowhere

[Anonymous No.52549618]

[Anonymous No.52549634]

I want to but I'm terrible at studying

[Anonymous No.52549635]

>>52549522
The thing is that if you're actually a good software developer with strong knowledge of fundamentals, then you can master any language you need to know within a month, so specifically going out of your way to learn [insert language here] because it pays better than [other language] is unnecessary. Just tell employers you know whatever languages they're looking for, then if they call you back to do an interview, cram that language for a few days so you can bullshit the technical questions

[Anonymous No.52549637]

Back to your containment board, nerd: >>>/g/

[Anonymous No.52549691]

>>52549285
Where is MS frontpage?

[Anonymous No.52549731]

>>52549635
What you say is somewhat true, however mastering a new language takes years. Cpp in specific is insanely esoteric once you start using some of its arcane features.

I do agree with you on being able to feel comfortable writing self-contained code within the first week if you're a medium to good computer scientist.

[Anonymous No.52549759]

jej

[Anonymous No.52549967]

>>52549731
Honestly I agree with you there that Cpp is a relatively hard language to learn the detailed idiosyncrasies of, though I think that's mostly because it's such an old, disorganized clusterfuck of a language that should have been phased out a long time ago. It's ironically harder to master than pretty much every other language on OP's list. Languages like Elixir and Ruby though? They were created to be as easy as possible. Ruby's main selling point has always been that it's easy to learn, otherwise people wouldn't put up with its comparative inefficiencies in terms of execution time. People might struggle with Elixir if they're unfamiliar with functional programming as a concept, too, but it doesn't seem like that much of a hurdle imo. I just think people put way too much stock into which languages they're learning rather than focusing on more important concepts like algorithms, data structures, running times, security etc.

[Anonymous No.52550117]

>>52549548
Probably the smartest thing I heard from this site

[Anonymous No.52550167]

>>52549548
An incomplete conclusion.
The supply is low, but so is the demand. You can make a lot of money but with few positions open, you have less employment options.

[Anonymous No.52550721]

What is the lowest hanging fruit for someone with no cs degree? Is it still "web dev" shit?

Is Ruby/RoR still cool?

[Anonymous No.52550738]

>>52550167
>less
fewer

[Anonymous No.52550768]

>>52549383
>>52549484
Who is making up these numbers? This shit has to be global, only c# devs making $60-70k are new grads in the Midwest or other lcol/mocl areas

[Anonymous No.52550806]

>>52550721
Ruby and rails are pretty dead but you can sometimes find people still using them, usually gen X CEOs that built the product or something. Most popular web framework is still react, angular second, probably vue third, then it gets more split with svelte and next.js and other newcomers. Typescript/js is still king in web dev

[Anonymous No.52550836]

>>52550721
>>52550806
Also web dev is pretty complicated these days using one of these frameworks, yeah it’s not cobol or assembly or rust but the days of web dev being simple are long behind us. Anyone who says otherwise thinks modern web apps still run on jquery and static html

[Anonymous No.52550856]

>>52549473
I sincerely hope those guys change industry and leave software.
it was nice for a little bit, while leetcode more or less dropped off interviews.
those arrogant assholes getting laid off, are gonna pass the interviews with flying colors and then start asking all future candidates to grind leetcode so they can get a job... gluing api's together, day in, day out.
I am glad they overcomplicated software with microservices, because more then half the industry still confused what the fuck they need an orchestrator for and why they need 4 sigmas quality.
they are both the creators of job security and the barrier to entry to the industry.
they are the greatest and the worst, at the same time.

[Anonymous No.52550880]

thats not enough fucking money.. fuck this industry.

[Anonymous No.52550884]

>>52549473
just because the tech bubble is popping doesn't mean coding will become any less of a marker for employability dingus. just because big tech companies are overvalued doesn't mean tech as a field is (ever) shrinking

[Anonymous No.52550905]

>>52549548
Everyone who knows Clojure or Erlang also knows C. Everyone knows C.

[Anonymous No.52550918]

>>52550768
those charts are usually created by stack overflow surveys.
of course people frequenting stack overflow are usually retarded, so it's not hard to believe the salaries would be defunct.
I wouldn't expect a senior Java engineer to get out of bed for less then $120k-$130k these days (and fully remote at those prices).

[Anonymous No.52550948]

>>52550117
midwit.

[Anonymous No.52550956]

>solidity
>$70k
top kek okay. maybe in 2019

[Anonymous No.52550987]

>>52550956
outsider here. Is it more or less now?

[Anonymous No.52550994]

>>52550836
What would you focus on if you were starting today? React/typescript and API integration?

What about php/sql?

[Anonymous No.52551028]

>>52549285
Bong here

What language should I learn? I need a new career

[Anonymous No.52551043]

>>52550987
100k+, easily. getting a solidity job now isn't the easiest considering the market and all, but still wildly sought after for actual engineers. it will be harder for first time coders

[Anonymous No.52551056]

Dan abramov needs to have his skull bashed in with a fucking hammer for ruining frontend forever with react.

[Anonymous No.52551071]

>>52549635
hobbyist software dev here because engineer parents forced me to learn this crap. u can just teach yourself any languages syntax and read up on the specifics. feels like those threads are never made by people who can actually write a computer program

[Anonymous No.52551315]

>>52551043
You can't get a job as a solidity dev. You need to be a sigma chad alpha with 15 years of experience for them to even consider your application.

[Anonymous No.52551348]

>>52550994
React and js, don’t neglect JavaScript fundamentals as typescript is just fancy js. I’d just start with js, typescript makes more sense if you understand js to begin with, but you can start with typescript if you want. Learn a backend OOP language liked c# or Java. PHP sucks ass don’t bother. You will need to learn at least basic sql yes.

[Anonymous No.52551355]

>>52550836
You think React and Node are complicated? fucking kek, spare me

[Anonymous No.52551374]

>>52549285
Personally I'm more of a C#/JS/TS guy. Currently learning webassembly so maybe in the future I can code exclusively in C#.

[Anonymous No.52551379]

>>52551315
This, I applied to a lot of crypto startups before the crash and had a ton of interviews and always got beat out by dudes that literally enjoy writing solidity contracts and do it in their spare time. To get into crypto dev you have to really drink the kool aid and be a crypto bro. They can tell if you aren’t.

[Anonymous No.52551395]

I'm going to move to Mexico
https://youtu.be/1vAqaUwLg7g

[Anonymous No.52551407]

>>52551348
Like this?
>VSCode / Git
>C# / SQL
>JS / React
I'm a pedantic retard have trouble following through. Last thing I was doing was just trying to learn and memorize git with basic html page commits, then someone told me just to use git desktop UI lol

[Anonymous No.52551427]

>>52551355
There’s always one of these guys. Always. I never said node was. But yes I have worked on some very complicated react and angular projects and I’ve done a lot of other dev work previously. Idk why you faggots always get so uppity about the idea that web dev is complicated these days. It’s not 2010 anymore.

[Anonymous No.52551436]

>>52551348
You dont even need to know Javascript while developing on React. Just google everything, you dont even need to use your brain, how to make a navbar ? how to add a button ? pre-styled button, everything is ready for you all you have to do is use them. Tell me why is he going to need Javascript on a react app?

[Anonymous No.52551439]

>>52549285
who the fuck is still using LISP? le hecking meme AI language until people realized how retarded it is and just used python.

[Anonymous No.52551458]

>>52551407
That would be a good start yes. Build a front end using react/js/typescript, build a rest api backend in c#. Build out the database behind the backend using basic sql. VS code is perfectly fine, you don’t really need to worry about git until you get the basics of dev work down.

[Anonymous No.52551470]

>>52551436
>equating frontend to building a design system
Literal retard holy shit. State management, that's where the complexity is.

[Anonymous No.52551482]

>>52549285
>tfw wanted to work at front end with a friend
It's over, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.52551484]

>>52551436
Lol what the fuck are you talking about. You could say that about any language. Why not just copy and paste it all bro! Fuck learning what you’re even copy and pasting. Why bother amirite?
Okay I’m done replying to armchair devs on biz. You are retarded as shit lmao. Kek

[Anonymous No.52551499]

>>52551427
would you say it is complicated or over complexified with the constant framework creep? And that's where you get newcomers who use frameworks as a crutch to build shit that will have to be debugged/redeployed by people with experience/understand fundamental design paradigms that noobs try to abstract away?

This is why I'm pretty interested in WASM + C# though I don't want to go all in on WASM when its share of jobs is dwarfed by js frameworks, but it would be nice to skip over meme shit entirely

[Anonymous No.52551507]

The non-techies should fear tech collapse, because tech has been the biggest IQ drain from all other sectors for the last 30 years.
This means that once tech sector blows up, all other sectors will be swamped with candidates for high-skill positions, in which they will easily beat out the dumb normies that have been sitting cozy for all this time.
If techies can cram a language in a month, they sure as fuck can cram most other professions in the same time.
Pretty much all white collar professions are simply condition-logic statements and statistical analysis.
I think this IQ mobility to other industries is necessary to launch Industry 4.0, that economists have been cooming over.

[Anonymous No.52551526]

>>52551427
You just import libraries for everything using NPM, its almost all done for you out of the box. Boomers are so clueless I swear lol.
Angular is so outdated btw. Vue ftw.

[Anonymous No.52551533]

>>52551470
useState(true) wow so complicated couldn't do it without knowing javascript
>>52551484
Good luck copying code for a software lmao dumb shit frontendpajeetcuck acting like he does something hard.

[Anonymous No.52551578]

>No Fortran
>No COBOL

Shit list.

[Anonymous No.52551588]

>>52549285
I'm a "good" dev who's been in the industry a few years. Programming is not worth it, at least not in the way it used to be.
The real chads and stacys (and it's mostly stacys now, so enjoy getting managed by women), learn the bare minimum of a hot technology like ML, and then immediately turn the careerism on full blast to get into a role like product manager. Srs, actual programming ability isn't that important, and the people that make the most are sales and management, not the developers.

[Anonymous No.52551593]

>>52551507
"Coders" and "CS" people are usually extremely low IQ though.

I've never met one of ya who could actually understand CPR by Kant, for example.

[Anonymous No.52551594]

>>52551526
I've done several projects on React for myself and its easy as fuck, everything is ready for you.
>Needed infinte scroll
yarn add react-infinite-scroll-component
>needed drag and drop
npm install drag-drop

[Anonymous No.52551654]

>>52551594
Yeah, I think the whole
>learn JS before you start using a framework
thing is just boomers coping that all the time they spent with vanilla JS/Jquery is completely irrelevant in modern webdev. No one cares. I say go straight for the framework.

[Anonymous No.52551680]

>>52551593
All the smartest people that I've known in my life went to IT.
Of course there are dumb pajeets who ride the wave, but I guarantee that the mean IQ is way higher than most other sectors.

[Anonymous No.52551729]

>>52551654
They are mad they had to learn all that shit kek. Both of the guys that replied me just rained down insults and bolted lol.
He mentioned state management as if it was something complicated. There is very simple hook for it - React.useState() that does the job for you.
I am still waiting for them to explain why you need to know Javascript and can't straight go for React.

[Anonymous No.52551752]

>>52551594
>>52551654
I'd be happy making $50k starting at a bucket shop doing like dentist office landing pages. I'm not deluding myself into thinking I will start at 80-100k.

Also wonder if it is better to get out of web dev asap once you have some experience, if you are into devops/sysadmin/security. Seems like there could be longer term job security in the latter.

[Anonymous No.52551797]

>>52551593
Nonsense. That's like saying mathematicians are low IQ because they can't understand papers on biology. Assuming the same level of philosophical education, certainly more computer scientists would be able to understand Kant than philosophy graduates. Cs graduates are higher IQ than most fields, only noticably dwarfed by mathematicians and physicists, certainly higher on average than philosophers. But I guess from ur 200 IQ positions everyone looks like an idiot

[Anonymous No.52551955]

>>52551752
Getting out of webdev is a good decision. It's been compromised there are simply too many people in it, lots of girls and pajeets are going for it because "its easy".
If I were you I would do webdev for 1-2 years and then move on to DevOps. I have lots of people around me who have started with web development and moved to Android, Software, DevOps etc etc. Consider web development as a tutorial. People dont stick there for too long. And once you have had first job in tech sphere then getting hired for something else is also lot easier.

[Anonymous No.52552002]

>>52549484
>python makes more than java
holy fuck my sides

[Anonymous No.52552018]

>>52549426
t.185K matplotlib dickarounder

[Anonymous No.52552038]

>>52549285
I bet the reason why these languages are paid so much compared to others is because they're obscure and niche.

[Anonymous No.52552122]

I'm pretty good at programming. Is it worth it learning an obscure old language and work for banks etc. shitheads who still need people to maintain their code? Will I go insane or is it worth the money? I'm in Finland btw so the taxes will start going up my ass once my salary rises.

[Anonymous No.52552196]

>>52552122
If I lived in one of those high tax welfare countries I would sit on welfare and neet my whole life.

[Anonymous No.52552276]

>>52551729
>he thinks state management means using useState

I mean I knew burgers are retarded, its why I play War Thunder on american servers for an easy grind but you really take the cake. How can a brain dead moron like you who copy pastes his work from SO find let alone keep a job?

[Anonymous No.52552348]

>>52552038
most people, me included, are legitimately too retarded for clojure, lisp or erlang. erlang is not niche either.

[Anonymous No.52552362]

>>52552196
I'm not you retard. Guess what happens when you NEET here? You never EVER can build wealth. Own a car? You are forced to sell it, or otherwise you will not receive NEET money. Own stocks? You are forced to sell those if you want NEET money. Have money in bank? You are forced to spend it to get NEET money. I have a friend who was NEET for a long time. Finally he got a job. He owns nothing, is renting, and is just now starting to build his bank account.

[Anonymous No.52552377]

>>52552276
Ranjaat Kumar mad.
I work smart you work hard.
>Acschually you can't do that you have build everything up from scratch nooooo stooop doing it nooooooooo

[Anonymous No.52552406]

>>52550768
>only c# devs making $60-70k are new grads in the Midwest or other lcol/mocl
That's probably where most devs are. People seem to think FAGMAN are the only tech companies in town, but they're not and most software developers are just working boring jobs for 70-90k/yr in the midwest. Of course, some anons here will tell me they're in the midwest and making 200k+ or 400k+, but that's not the norm. I make 77k, and unless I can pass the FAGMAN leetcode, that seems to be only a bit below average. I could sell my soul and work with Java or Python instead of C, but for only ~20k/yr gain in the best case, that's not worth it.

[Anonymous No.52552418]

>>52549285
> HERE IS THE LIST OF TOP COMPUTER LANGUAGES
>LEAN THE LANGUAGE AND MAKE MONEY
>IT IS THAT EASY
Oh, sweet summer child. As a programmer, it takes me about 3 weeks(Normally less) to be proficient in a new programming language.
You are not hired because you know the syntax.

[Anonymous No.52552819]

>>52552418
Nobody hires juniors without a degree these days anyway

[Anonymous No.52552895]

>>52552819
>Nobody hires juniors without a degree these days anyway
gay
only necessary for hardware-adjacent or fagmang algo work
show me on a map where a degree is needed to set up a API to return a RB response
even DB admin work doesn't need a degree for the most part, since most of it comes from planning and letting smarter people (getting paid to only work on one project for 5 years) optimize the underlying algorithms

[Anonymous No.52552916]

>>52549473

[Anonymous No.52552944]

>>52552362
>too dumb to keep assets undocumented
Typical third worlder
And this
>Have money in bank?
Dude you put it in tether.

[Anonymous No.52552982]

>>52552418
>Oh, sweet summer child.
Go back. Or better yet, learn to communicate like an adult, not a r*ddit s*y boy.

[Anonymous No.52553138]

>>52549285
when in doubt learn java. you might hate yourself because you will have to deal with poos but you are almost guaranteed a job if you actually learn it.

[Anonymous No.52553281]

>>52549383
>popular languages with tons of developers should pay more
Kek Fag
Is simple supply and demand
That’s why I was getting a 6fig salary as a junior blockchain developer

[Anonymous No.52553352]

>>52552895
Yeah, so?
Hitting a retard after a bootcamp is to much of a risk. At least someone after uni can show up to work and knows don't basics. Now pretty much nobody hires any juniors anyway.

[Anonymous No.52553407]

>>52553352
>Now pretty much nobody hires any juniors anyway.
based

[Anonymous No.52553422]

>>52553352
Retarded phoneposting

[Anonymous No.52553459]

>>52551588
Product Manager here. I can't write anything more technical than a docker-compose file. My degree is a bullshit BA from a crappy college. 150k

[Anonymous No.52553506]

>>52549285
Forget tranny languages, I earn plenty more than that writing shitty typescript a couple hours a day. I’m not even that good at programming, doubt I could implement quicksort or even a linked list from memory

[Anonymous No.52553573]

>>52553506
how long did it take u to to learn

[Anonymous No.52553619]

>>52553573
I did a shitty bootcamp 8 years ago which didn’t teach me a lot, did a couple extra months of studying then walked straight into a job. I don’t think the job market is the same today however

[Anonymous No.52553673]

>>52549285
is anywhere even hiring junior devs

[Anonymous No.52553737]

>>52553459
maybe I should get on the product manager meme
do you actually need to know anything or is it pretty well know a guy and interview well

[Anonymous No.52553833]

>>52553673
Look at seniors' wages. The cost of babying a junior around for months is just too high these days.

[Anonymous No.52553842]

>>52549402
It's not for me either anon. I appreciate the logic of it but i dont enjoy solving complex problems woth little reward.

[Anonymous No.52553873]

the hardest thing about programming is understanding computer systems and networking on a deep level. code and logic are the easy part.

[Anonymous No.52553906]

>>52552018

Learning Data Sci techniques on the £ of the Civil Service, ready for a jump back to Geophysics and Oil (I hear these industries are gagging for Data Sci types)

[Anonymous No.52553952]

>>52551594
It's not easy and you're gay and you're on 4chan so fuckoff

t. Actual professional react next developer

[Anonymous No.52554125]

>>52553906
Good plan. I'm in aerospace/defense and basically just impress nontechnical types with my beautiful visualizations

[Anonymous No.52554376]

>>52553737
That's basically it. Be a good, proactive communicator and use data to make decisions.

[Anonymous No.52554401]

>>52554125

That is why I find this chart a tad dubious. There are lots of applications for coding, and lots of industries and jobs of varying paychecks

That said, the common languages are so low, likely because simple jobs employing them lower the average

Thought more people would have made that inference over a simple mean aggregate, as we are effectively "Puzzle solvers"

[Anonymous No.52554543]

>>52551533
bro I don't know what you think an average react app is but lol a react app is NOT a wordpress static site. Just because a large part of front end dev work is design work i.e. buttons, navs, styling, doesn't mean that the most important aspect i.e. interactivity doesn't exist. How the fuck do you manage a users state and pass that state between components, between route changes, between sessions, between api calls? You backend faggots think this shit is simple? Unlike you backend faggots frontend code doesnt just have to work it has to fool the user or at the least not upset the user. Anyone can make backend spaghetti code that runs like shit as long as it returns the correct data. Try managing complex state for the user and not fucking up the experience. Fucking retard devs I swear. They act like they are working on actual software like machine learning or self driving software. Faggots think they're geniuses parsing databases and building microservices for useless apps. LMAO.

[Anonymous No.52554585]

>>52549285
That's strange... I don't see English on there....
>t. Bongland

[Anonymous No.52554595]

>>52549285
Most of these languages are highly paid because there are few experienced devs for them. The reason they have few experienced devs is because there are very few jobs for most of these languages (F#, Clojure, Erlang, Elixir combined have probably 100 times fewer jobs than Java or Python or C.) Sure if you can get a job writing F# or Scala you're set, but it's basically impossible to get those jobs in the first place, and NO ONE is hiring inexperienced Scala devs.

[Anonymous No.52554640]

>>52549285
Note the total lack of fpga / microcontroller languages on there
>brah.... like.... anyone can code phone towers... digital is like... on.... or off...

[Anonymous No.52554660]

>>52554595
High IQ post thanks anon
There are many underpaid idiots who create a bunch of bugs and have low attention to detail

[Anonymous No.52554695]

>>52554543
just be a full stack dev lol
i can't even imagine being only front-end or only back-end dev and having to ask someone else to implement every smallest little thing you need just now.

>>52554595
there's more than enough jobs for every single experienced dev. hr bitches will hit you up on linkedin every day if you have years of experience, no matter what you do.

[Anonymous No.52554700]

I must be out of touch, I'd expect most engineers to make six figures within a few years of graduating.
t. 305k/yr

[Anonymous No.52554735]

>>52554700
Are those aussie dollars? I.e. worthless?

[Anonymous No.52554754]

>>52554735
USD, in San Diego. 8 years of experience. I'll be aiming to buy a $1m house next year.

[Anonymous No.52554765]

>>52552406
lol i make more than you as a dba

[Anonymous No.52554784]

>>52549285
The fuck? I've never heard of any of these.

[Anonymous No.52554820]

>>52554754
>I'll be aiming to buy a $1m house next year.
Why? Just move out to somewhere ten times cheaper and work remotely from your actual mansion.

[Anonymous No.52555055]

>>52554820
Geographic arbitrage, and there are some opportunities (work-related and otherwise) that simply don't exist outside of cities.
It's one of those things where you either value the same things I do, or you don't, and most of /biz/ doesn't, so it's not worth arguing over since people values won't change.

[Anonymous No.52555087]

>>52551348
Typescript is for fags, js is loosely typed for a reason and you don't need no "safety", if it breaks it breaks no need to dwell on that, typescript = condom virgins, js = bareback chads

[Anonymous No.52555141]

>Know Python
>Know HTML
>Spent 3 years logging Jira tickets

>3 months of searching
>Still no job

It's over for me. All because I don't have a BA

[Anonymous No.52555170]

>>52555055
Give it a try. I think you might like it.
>t. Bong. Living 23 miles from the nearest nuke target, in the countryside and valleys, in a house with half yard thick stone walls; owned outright by title deed.

[Anonymous No.52555357]

>>52549635
Lol this works I thought only I did this

[Anonymous No.52555379]

>>52555087
lol this is a good analogy but it also works further since the bareback chad when he fucks up will have to deal with 18 years of alimony payments and work raising a kid meanwhile the condom virgin will get to live stress free without having to even think about the smelly slampig he fucked in that bar 3 years ago. Maintaining JS code is a nightmare and most bugs TS solves for out the gate. Why you would purposely want to deal with guaranteed future headaches like a child you didnt want is beyond me.

[Anonymous No.52555412]

>>52555141
>It's over for me. All because I don't have a BA
it's not about knowing python or html, is about being able to figure out a project needs and present the solution that satisfy those needs, i learned python myself, for fun, doing some personal web scrapping, that does not mean it's particularly useful for my line of work, i would say it's fucking worthless for what my job demands.. so, a lot of people can program, it's pretty easy, the hard thing is leading with customers and project managers and figuring out what they need vs what they say they need vs whats possible with their budget...

[Anonymous No.52555464]

>>52549342
More. MORE
MORE until the industry is so saturated everybody is working 60 hour weeks and on call for less than $70,000 a year.

and that's before ubiquitous ML capable of generating entire programs and CI/CD infrastructure with testing all from simple prompts. The server jannies actually laying cable and moving cabinets around, swapping bad drives, won't be safe either. They'll make even less in the end.

[Anonymous No.52555496]

>>52555464
>nuEqeRs

[Anonymous No.52555498]

>>52549473
It’s okay 90% of them get filtered by self-commented fizzbuzz

[Anonymous No.52555557]

There won't be any entry level jobs to be found either. Customer support will be full even. Want the equivalent of journey level pay? 4 year degree minimum regulated by state laws and industry federation.

[Anonymous No.52555615]

>>52549285
Where’s logo?

[Anonymous No.52555743]

>tech going into layoffs
>trades going to become overpopulated, can already see it considering they are throwing women at doing it
>crypto blown up for a long time

where is the next scam to get rich off?

[Anonymous No.52555808]

>>52549285
i know 2 languages, english and french, suce ma bite pédé

[Anonymous No.52555840]

>>52555743
just don't work. The scam to get rich off of is a global general workers strike against the national governments and wealthy bankers.

[Anonymous No.52555898]

>>52549494
I know SQL and python. What else do I need

[Anonymous No.52556192]

If you can understand C / C++ then you can code in all other languages as they are all based on C except for a few that are simplified.

[Anonymous No.52556332]

>>52555412
The problem is that my showcase of work is one I can't use in a professional setting or show to anyone

All of my projects involve making Porn games, Porn dictionaries for my favorite porn games, or working on scrappers to get stuff off of exhentai

HR roasties have gatekept my ability to live in a society

[Anonymous No.52556415]

Not even worth trying if you weren’t good at math in high school/college. The market is too competitive.

[Anonymous No.52556492]

>>52556415
Look at all these faggot gatekeepers. Anons DO NOT LISTEN TO THESE KIKES!

No matter what these faggots say about bla bla bla, need degree, bla bla bla oversaturated, bla bla bla.....

Just remember this. Low iq and midwit normies will STILL apply for the same jobs these faggot gatekeepers ITT are telling you there's no point in applying for.

Never be timid when literal brainlets IRL will always take every single shot they legally can. They will lie, cheat and delude themselves and here you are being timid and giving into fear uncertainty and doubt because of the faggot kikes ITT trying to gatekeep for their own sick purposes.

Never have shame because brainlets, midwits, normies don't, so why would you play the game against them with your hands tied behind your back?

[Anonymous No.52556649]

>>52556332
wtf

[Anonymous No.52556670]

>>52550738
With that degree of autism, your in the right thread for sure

[Anonymous No.52556806]

>all these faggots itt saying you need a cs degree to get hired
lole

[Anonymous No.52556841]

>>52549383
I find LISP the worst suspect in that list

[Anonymous No.52556847]

>>52549285
What a waste of a fucking life sitting in front of a screen slaving away for your tech overlords. I’d be more fulfilled washing dishes in an Applebees

[Anonymous No.52556913]

>>52556806
They are probably still in school praying their debt-maxxed asses won't have to compete with the thousands of laid off cs degree holders with actual exp and the boatloads of code monkeys with no degree but with boatloads more experience than them. kek.

[Anonymous No.52556916]

>>52551507

Yeah, I realized that when I washed out of CS because I'm maybe 115 IQ at best.

Licensed, 5 years seniority in my union now. If you don't have a license and a union you aren't safe, no matter how skilled and experienced you consider yourself to be.

[Anonymous No.52556936]

>>52549285
Lets say, speaking for a friend here please don't call him a loser, that someone is a 35 yr old person who still lives with his parents and has no job.
Lets say he wants to turn his life around and make money.
Should he go into sales right away or should he spend a year learning a programming language to then get a job that way?
Again, asking for a friend.

[Anonymous No.52557019]

>>52549285
I make 250k as a c# dev. But do not learn to code, learn a trade or do something you’re good at. Retards will be automated out soon. The gravy train for normies is over.

[Anonymous No.52557027]

>>52549285
this shit is the biggest meme of the last decade, soon all the coders will be squeezed from both sides. job losses & leaner tech companies (no more corporate daycare) along with cheaper coders from India & East EU.
unironically, skilled labor will be the winning job market

[Anonymous No.52557170]

>>52554695
graphql is literally the worst thing I've ever used and zuckerberg deserves to lose billions from it regardless of the metaverse retardation

[Anonymous No.52557185]

>>52555055
be specific about what you do

[Anonymous No.52557232]

>>52556649
What else would you use coding skills for if not to improve your cooming experience?

[Anonymous No.52557246]

>>52549285
I know nothing from that list and I make 200K+ in Seattle

[Anonymous No.52557324]

>>52555141
>Know HTML
I don't think that sells your portfolio all that much. If you want to get into development, you better throw a few cloud infrastructure keywords like AWS and Terraform.

[Anonymous No.52557336]

>>52557232

[Anonymous No.52557348]

>>52549484
>Top 10 paying languages as of 2022 according to professionals on Stack Overflow.

C Javascript and Python

rest are a waste of time/neurons

[Anonymous No.52557375]

>>52549967
>Cpp is a relatively hard language to learn the detailed idiosyncrasies

C++ literally causes brain damage

[Anonymous No.52557414]

>>52551588
>I'm a "good" dev who's been in the industry a few years. Programming is not worth it, at least not in the way it used to be.
>The real chads and stacys (and it's mostly stacys now, so enjoy getting managed by women), learn the bare minimum of a hot technology like ML, and then immediately turn the careerism on full blast to get into a role like product manager. Srs, actual programming ability isn't that important, and the people that make the most are sales and management, not the developers.

truth. top guy in my class went into sales after 2 years of engineering once he scoped out the situation.

[Anonymous No.52557445]

>>52556936
tell him to get some cash, buy a car and leave the city.
frugal life aint that bad, anon.
its very hard to get hired being 35, unless you lie and say you have experience. theyll probably believe you since youre old anyways

[Anonymous No.52557642]

>>52557445
I'm trying to get hired at overnight places (stocker, sales, call centers) and they're not taking me. They pay $15 an hour.
I need cash badly but at this rate I may have to get a $10 an hour job down the street as a cashier.

[Anonymous No.52557726]

>>52556936
Depends on you fren. If you take the learning programming angle make sure you learn the fundamentals and then build interesting projects that you can showcase AND make sure the area you building for is an area that will offer you small quick freelance gigs. Then get a few freelance gigs to hold you over and pad your experience. Network with devs in your field on twitter and github. It is a long and slow grind and in the midst of all that you need to get good at learning things and finding little edges that help you.

Sales route is great especially if you have the ability above but lack the outward presence around other people. I often dream of getting into a sales room and starting at the bottom of some boiler room type operation like Glengarry Glenross. But that's because I lack the outward presence in my toolbelt.

Either way never be ashamed of your age or your station in life. This shit is all a video game. Believe me you do not want to be that faggot who has it all together at 23 from a good home, etc, etc. Imagine starting an RPG with almost max stats and being forced to play the game for the next 50 years......that shit is boring. You get to start at the bottom and work your way up. Self-made man. The only true type of man in existence. Good luck and never yield.

[Anonymous No.52557735]

>>52549342
this

[Anonymous No.52557850]

Should I get a software engineering degree with 1 year in industry if I want to become le developer? I'm based in the UK btw. Don't suggest doing compsci because I'm not autistic enough at maths for it

[Anonymous No.52557964]

>>52557726
Thanks man, I'm tearing up reading your post. Life is not at my ideal right now with the problems between my parents (not related with me, my mom is a jealous person causing a strain on my dad/family)... anyway
Thanks for your post anon.

[Anonymous No.52558039]

>>52556841
There aren't a ton of Lisp jobs but the ones that exist pay well, just like Cobol.

[Anonymous No.52558459]

I'm retired now, but in 2017 when I retired (at 39) I was making $240k/yr programming in C. Though I had worked professionally in other languages in the past as well (C++, python, java, php, csh (lol), fortran, z80 assembly).

What you're seeing in these charts is probably mostly due to the sample sizes: So few people use Clojure or Erlang that there isn't even a low end to include in the samples.

But if all you know is one of those languages you probably will be unemployable rather than well paid. The well paid people in those languages are also probably widely multi-lingual: Once you know a couple programming languages picking up a new one isn't a big deal, other than it's a bit hard to switch to functional programing if you have no experience with it.

To be extremely well paid you must know one or two widely used languages. For employers that use obscure stuff, it certainly helps to know whatever thing they use-- but you probably won't be very well paid unless you also know something that makes you employable elsewhere. Employers that use weird languages expect that most new hires won't know it.

[Anonymous No.52558486]

>>52551507
> The non-techies should fear tech collapse, because tech has been the biggest IQ drain from all other sectors for the last 30 years.

This is no joke.

Hopefully it'll become possible to hire a skilled carpenter again if there is a big tech collapse.

[Anonymous No.52558495]

>>52549285
I’m learning c++ what will that get me

[Anonymous No.52558563]

this is a fucking scam why the fuck would i press this link
there are literally free courses in MIT, Oxford, Harvard and all that shit after they got funded by BitDAO

[Anonymous No.52559200]

>>52556492
Best advice itt

[Anonymous No.52559245]

>>52550738
based stannis

[Anonymous No.52559280]

>>52549285
anyone can fill those charts out you retard. you don't even need to be a registered stackoveflow member. some functional programming meme NEETs made a few bots and put their shit tier languages on top, because there's only like 1,500 entries for those lanugages overall. 1 day for a NEET with nordvpn. jesus christ this board is retarded.

[Anonymous No.52559294]

>>52550768
>Who is making up these numbers
functional autismo NEETs with too much time on their hands. again all you had to do was open an URL to fill that survey out THERE's 0 requirement you don't need a stackoverflow account.

[Anonymous No.52559496]

>>52554543
Literally just use sessions. Frontend isn't supposed to manage state

[Anonymous No.52559941]

>>52551028
>Bong here
You should learn Monty Python.

[Anonymous No.52559963]

>>52551056
>Dan abramov needs to have his skull bashed in with a fucking hammer for ruining frontend forever with react.
Amen brother

[Anonymous No.52560360]

>>52556847

Cope. Have you ever done either?

[Anonymous No.52560461]

take the CPA-pill
>stable as fuck opportunities and work wherever you go
>most recession-proof white collar job
>all the old boomer CPAs retiring, creating a massive shortage while demand will continue to rise
>moderate salaries at start (compared to CS) which skyrocket with just a few years experience and job hopping
>can branch off into finance, govt, IRS, private, VC, startups, basically any field you can think of
>able to sexually harass Sharon at the water cooler
actual accounting ≠ brainlet bookkeeping

[Anonymous No.52560883]

>>52549285
deneme

[Anonymous No.52561097]

>>52549383
My first job was with F#, I was making 130k/yr as a junior in 2017
Its a dead language now though, I wouldn't start a career with F# in current year

[Anonymous No.52561207]

>>52557185
Combination DevOps and Site Reliability Engineer.
Look up levels.fyi, I'm really not an anomaly. Any mid-level engineer should be making 250k+.

[Anonymous No.52561279]

>>52549473
You keep saying that but you keep forgetting how revolving door dev jobs are. Moment code is built, many leave because they hate maintaining it.

Maintaining it might need 3 cs Grads, just so Business Grads don't need to learn code. They also need to secure middle management jobs for their Cousins/Family from India so plenty of made up positions are created to provide value for new hires.

Tech if anything is declining into a corporate shithole like accounting has become. Eventually things like Code Audit Principles and Code Standards will be created by top tech firms. No more Pajeet code, constant rewriting of poor readability, and top management who simply approve or disprove code because they spent 5 years + at a big firm.

Small tech will always exist, booming into existence new startup ideas that fail and very rarely succeed. This will never stop.

[Anonymous No.52561383]

LAM > STEM, for 3-sigma
STEM > LAM, on the tail
; LAM= Law / Accounting / Medicine

Take the LAM pill, and leave “sift” engineers to self-destruct over petty architectural & style issues.

t. 16+ Y programmer & data scientist who moved to medicine.

[Anonymous No.52561532]

Administration. You're the dumbest degenerates I've ever met in my life. Your captcha is physically impossible to pass!

[Anonymous No.52561547]

>>52549285
>$106,644

Literal poverty wage.

[Anonymous No.52561647]

>>52549402
You just enter characters that form commands that become the logic for how programs execute functions.

[Anonymous No.52562982]

>>52549285
It's about what you can accomplish with the languages you know. I've been out of school for about 2 years. wfh $115k + stock. I mostly program in python but being able to write python libraries in c and the use those to solve problems is what got me the job.
If your just starting out college switch to EE and learn HDL, i have friends doing digital design making +$200k

[Anonymous No.52563035]

>>52549342
Full of retarded chubby Indians that couldn't code if their life depended on it.

I spent 1 month starting from zero experience and got hired for $100k remotely, because I can actually do math and code is just math.

[Anonymous No.52563123]

>>52558495
An amazing feeling of superiority of all these plebs

[Anonymous No.52563321]

>>52549484
>python chads making more than c++ringe lords and javatards

absolutely basado

[Anonymous No.52564010]

>previously automation engineer
>tired of my job
>eastern european
>manager quits but transfers me to embedded SW egineering to replace a soon-leaving cryptography/cybersecurity specialist
>have to pretty much learn C/C++/C#/Python/CybSec from scratch because i remember nothing from uni days.

Am i going to make it? How much do embedded SW devs make? I want of this shithole

[Anonymous No.52564276]

89k for a go developer, thats less than jr dev offers with 0 experience.

i guess that makes sense when you factor in for every american making 300 theres 25 indians makings 20k.

[Anonymous No.52564287]

>>52553673
not in the biden economy, its going to be rough next 2 years for everyone, especially tech

[Anonymous No.52564376]

>>52556492
This is very true. I spent 5 or 6y from 15 to 25 bring afraid and mediocre because others would say something is too hard or nerdy when I had more than enough brains to do it but didn't know.
Now I have CFA and know programming languages used in business and stats.

People are very stupid on average, demoralizing and worst of all they are jealous of those who can do it so they will demoralize you even more by calling you nerd and other cope shit

[Anonymous No.52564405]

What the fuck is Clojure, never heard of it

[Anonymous No.52564406]

>>52564376
As if there's anything nerdy with trying to make as much money as possible with the least amount of physical effort as possible. It's such a better life experience to do roofing in the summer isn't it
Or to just be a loser in your 40s

[Anonymous No.52564415]

>>52549285
> Me, learning C++ for quant job

Oh God why?

[Anonymous No.52564520]

>>52549285
30 something neet here
i'm at a crossroads. should i try and teach myself how to program or try and write fiction?
i'm okay with making 40-50k a year selling novels on amazon

[Anonymous No.52564612]

>>52549285
All of these are extemely esoteric languages with very few jobs that are the highest average because the few jobs that use them are essential for whatever reason, and if that person were to leave you would have to spend a lot of time finding a fella who knows the language and give them years to fully familiarize themselves with the code.

[Anonymous No.52565029]

>>52564010
grind medium + hard leetcode problems. learn how to control industrial automation hardware with python then apply to usa based industry 5.0 startups.

[Anonymous No.52565044]

>>52549402
That's why it pays so well

[Anonymous No.52565234]

>>52549285
I am PHP & HTML devops and I make $170,000 a year...
Guess I got lucky then

[Anonymous No.52565343]

remind me why so many languages are necessary

[Anonymous No.52565495]

>>52549484
Where the hell can I ask people to pay me for coding in Julia?

[Anonymous No.52565540]

>mfw making 260k to write Python
Not bad considering I don't have to live in San Francisco or NYC to get it.

[Anonymous No.52566298]

>>52565540
what job/branch?
i used to be a data scientist, wrote python and sql, but didnt make nearly as much

[Anonymous No.52566390]

>>52566298
Senior engineer at a mid/high tier public tech company. I do back end implementations of data science machine learning models. Most of my compensation is in stock but my base salary is like 190 which is pretty nice.

[Anonymous No.52566721]

>>52566390
>different ID
Nice larp, zoomer. Back to Fortnite you go.

[Anonymous No.52566903]

>>52566721
I'm phone posting. My ip changes.

[Anonymous No.52567112]

Should I learn perl then?

[Anonymous No.52567478]

>>52551056
explain yourself.

[Anonymous No.52567990]

>>52566390
does that company make you live in seattle/other major city?

[Anonymous No.52568051]

>>52563035

This.

My brother-in-law has just left Senoir Software Engineer job a bloated company in Malvern for double the pay in cyber security (WFH)

Says the managment have no clue:

> Hire people on their job titles, not proven credentials
> Hire "Software Engineers" from India, who are given 3 weeks training in a hotel, then a fake cert saying "Software Engineer"
> Retarded upper management have no means of parsing these out from experienced individuals, and wonder why all the talent is leaving the company

[Anonymous No.52568091]

>TOP PAYING LANGUAGES!!!

Meme stat. Niche shit is going to make its way in there. Look at what's most commonly cited in job postings, what you want are options not to get pigeonholed in some limited language.

If you can't decide just go with Java/C# or if you want to focus on front end work, Javascript + a framework like Angular or Vue. Realistically you need to start programming in a mainstream, enterprise OOP language.

[Anonymous No.52568115]

>>52564415

>C++ for a quant

Do python instead. C++ is a nearly dead language, it's basically Latin.

[Anonymous No.52568310]

>>52561383
How did you move to medicine so late in life?

[Anonymous No.52568883]

>>52567990
Nope. Not gonna mention my specific state. I live in a fairly populated state but could work fully remote if I wanted. I live close to my office but haven't been in in like 4 months.

[Anonymous No.52570234]

>>52568091
This is literally a filter for people who can't apply statistics.
Niche tech pays better on average, but there are fewer jobs. There will be more high paying jobs for popular tech, even if the average is lower, just because there are so many more jobs that even if the proportion that pays highly is low, there will still be plenty.

[Anonymous No.52570867]

>>52555808
basé