Sell Tesla buy nuclear or hydrogen

[Anonymous No.52449907]

Electric truck stops will consume the power of a small town -
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla-Semi-truck-stops-would-consume-the-electricity-of-small-town-USA-as-launch-event-scheduled-for-December-1.668564.0.html

Been saying this from day one about heavy trucks using batteries. You might have the space in America to build brand new charging stations but in Europe, especially near major towns and cities, there is no land. EV's is the biggest WEF con they've pulled.

[Anonymous No.52449942]

What a surprise, Tesla has always been a scam lol.

Diesel/electric hybrid drive chain was invented in the 1800s and the ICE was perfected then.

[Anonymous No.52450037]

>>52449942
But they're not backing down and going full retard by banning the sale of diesel trucks by 2030 in Europe and there's still no way of charging these things when they're on the road. It's going to be a fucking shitshow without magically getting several nuclear plants online in the next 6 years which is impossible.

[Anonymous No.52450100]

Can't wait for Tesla to get exposed as the jewish scam that it is

[Anonymous No.52450107]

>>52450037
>banning the sale of diesel trucks by 2030 in Europe
NEVER going to happen. Fake news.

[Anonymous No.52450147]

>>52450100
I get the Elon criticisms and the current grid but accelerationism to electric vehicles isn't a bad idea and teslas are exceptionally well engineer vehicles even if they are produced lazily

[Anonymous No.52450218]

>>52450147
Making ICE vehicles that you can drive for 30 years is better for the environment than cobalt/lithium mined batteries that only last 5 years attached to proprietary technology that can lock you out at any time.

[Anonymous No.52450271]

>>52450037
I really really hope retarded eurocucks ban diesel, southamerica will never yield to that green energy shit and we WILL burn millions of gallons of the stuff which will put us in a strategic advantage

[Anonymous No.52450351]

>>52450218
Thanks for repeating msm talking points.
Tesla batteries last the life of the car and can be broken down into the raw materials after their eol and reused. Anything else you'd like to contribute?

[Anonymous No.52450364]

>>52450107
It's already happened. It's law for all of Europe and the UK
https://www.confused.com/car-insurance/guides/new-petrol-and-diesel-car-ban

[Anonymous No.52450386]

>>52450364
They'll delay it when the time nears

[Anonymous No.52450432]

>>52450386
They'll have a job. lol
Scania, Volvo, Daf have already sold all their plant and engine designs to the third world to make their own diesel trucks. It's electric or nothing at this point

[Anonymous No.52450464]

The plan is to transition to electric then hydrogen.

[Anonymous No.52450479]

>>52450351
Keep simping for a company that's against right to repair lol

[Anonymous No.52450480]

>>52450432
>They'll have a job
Deadlines are always missed
Also Eurocuck detected

[Anonymous No.52450494]

>>52449907
>in Europe, especially near major towns and cities, there is no land.
Yeah but it's commie Europe so they'll just expropriate you if they want to put EV stations.

[Anonymous No.52450506]

>>52450351
>Tesla batteries last the life of the car and can be broken down into the raw materials after their eol and reused.
Can be, but it's cheaper to make new one. Thats why recycling of almost anything is a scam

[Anonymous No.52450525]

>>52450364
it only mentions cars and vans

[Anonymous No.52450532]

>>52450479
They just changed course 6 days ago and allowed salvaged vehicles to charge on the supercharger network again.
I'm not saying they're perfect but they are an engineering feat and a generational leap compared to ICE vehicles which have largely remained fundamentally unchanged for many decades

[Anonymous No.52450535]

>>52450432
So Europeans continue to deindustrialize

[Anonymous No.52450575]

>>52449907
Electric trucks aren't going to happen. They might be able to make a truck cab drive for 400 mi on one charge but the second you hook up a loaded trailer the distance is going to drop down to two digits. Who the fuck wants to spend 12 hours charging up a truck so it can drive 50 miles? It is unfeasible. They will never happen. Not even with the magical supercapacitor batteries they've been promising for as long as they've been promising cheap fusion power because you still have to charge the fucking things every 50 fucking miles.

[Anonymous No.52450605]

>>52450506
I see a business opportunity in developing new methods of recycling them? Battery tech is still in its youth

[Anonymous No.52450611]

>>52450480
Britbong akshually. Haulage companies don't replace units on a whim like buying a car it's done years in advance with prices being fixed and delivery orders confirmed. Even a small haulage company with a few trucks would be raising a couple of million finance and large fleets with hundreds of units have to plan very carefully fleet disposable and residual value to ensure they're not under financed. If all that's available is electric and they buy them then the government moves the goalposts they'll be sued to the moon.

[Anonymous No.52450664]

>>52450535
Yes. Fuck knows how we're going to survive selling Starbucks coffee and McDonald's to each other.

[Anonymous No.52450707]

>>52450575
>but the second you hook up a loaded trailer
pic related
Who do I trust here? an anon on /biz/ or tesla who provides accurate range info for all their other vehicles

[Anonymous No.52450768]

>>52450605
You cant invent new methods of recycling. Its always economically more profitable to make new one, unless you will cut price of recycling, with I don't now, slave labour, or free energy(that you need a lot to recycle batteries)

[Anonymous No.52450779]

>>52449907
hey moron in Europe we actually have a first world grid and we don't have to build new charging stations, we just add the charging poles to their existing gas stations (which we already have done almost everywhere). And good luck with your trucks causing rolling blackouts lmao. Should be a joke in there somewhere, truck roll + rolling blackout.

[Anonymous No.52450799]

>>52450107
dude you don't realize how much of a third world shithole grid you have.

[Anonymous No.52450845]

>>52450351
So why are there garbage pits full of that “green” toxic shit?

[Anonymous No.52450868]

>>52450664
>survive?

[Anonymous No.52450883]

>>52450768
They'll carbon credit the fuck out of recycling to make sure a new battery will be as expensive as buying a holiday home. Carbon credits will be the next crypto. There's so many fraudsters in the space already we'll feel right at home.

[Anonymous No.52450894]

>>52450779
In Europe we now have energy rationing because of green commies moron. I’m sure more of the same inefficient crap is going to make thing better though.

[Anonymous No.52450908]

>>52450868
Ah, I forgot. That wasn't in the WEF white paper was it?

[Anonymous No.52450916]

>>52449907
>Electric truck stops will consume the power of a small town -

impossible. we could never get that amount of extra power online. we can barely keep the system we have running.

[Anonymous No.52450917]

Buy autonomy

https://stocktwits.com/symbol/AEVA

[Anonymous No.52450931]

>>52450664
>Yes. Fuck knows how we're going to survive selling Starbucks coffee and McDonald's to each other.

we wont have either of those.

[Anonymous No.52450940]

>>52450351
>Tesla batteries last the life of the car and can be broken down into the raw materials after their eol and reused.
Nope, this is a EV huckster lie. "Green" scammers don't understand the environmental costs of recycling EV batteries and solar panels.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fchem.2020.578044/full

[Anonymous No.52450942]

>>52449907
TSLA fud always bullish as hell

[Anonymous No.52450964]

>>52450883
Elon Musk's status is already based on scamming carbon credit initiatives.

[Anonymous No.52450990]

>>52450779
Look at pic. That's an average street in the UK. That doesn't include apartment blocks in the cities. Now imagine they all have a cable running across the walkway.
You have no idea how trucking in Europe or the UK works. There simply isn't the space on the network to park all these trucks while they charge.

[Anonymous No.52451023]

>>52450351
What lmao the msm shills electric goycarts like no tomorrow. You Musk fanboys are deranged

[Anonymous No.52451041]

>>52450990
Bulldoze a few homes.

Create high density living.I Dont see a problem anon.

[Anonymous No.52451044]

>>52450779
>hey moron in Europe we actually have a first world grid and we don't have to build new charging stations, we just add the charging poles to their existing gas stations (which we already have done almost everywhere)

we have done nothing of the kind. we are facing blackouts as it is, there is no power available for electric trucks.

[Anonymous No.52451049]

>>52451041
I don't want to live in a pod.

[Anonymous No.52451050]

>>52450707
Notice how the load capacity is conveniently missing from the specs

[Anonymous No.52451079]

>>52450940
>>Tesla batteries last the life of the car and can be broken down into the raw materials after their eol and reused.
>Nope, this is a EV huckster lie. "Green" scammers don't understand the environmental costs of recycling EV batteries and solar panels.

correct, that is a lie. they dont get recycled.

[Anonymous No.52451104]

>>52449907
It also means small towns have a local market for a decent amount but not gigawatts of locally produced electricity at a premium. Megawatt scale dams can be built in many places with no negative environmental effects. Almost anything giving incentives to distribute electricity production is positive for the environment.

[Anonymous No.52451130]

>>52451050
Yep. In the UK max gross weight is 44 tons and Europe is 40 tons. I've watched a few videos explaining up to 45% less cargo can be carried but the truck manufacturers are being coy about releasing actual figures.
If it is almost half a load less that's beautiful for drivers because they'll need twice as many drivers which means wages will go through the roof for drivers. It's going to be awful for traffic congestion with twice as many trucks on the road. The cost of moving freight will double at least

[Anonymous No.52451136]

>>52450707
>pic related
>Who do I trust here? an anon on /biz/ or tesla who provides accurate range info for all their other vehicles

Tesla have not built a single functioning electric truck. it's vaporware.

[Anonymous No.52451164]

>>52451104
>It also means small towns have a local market for a decent amount but not gigawatts of locally produced electricity at a premium

it doesnt matter what 'the market' is, they cant produce it.

[Anonymous No.52451165]

>>52449907

2023 will be a difficult year for most companies, recessionary economy, inflation, labor difficulties... BUT it will be the best year Tesla has ever had.
The stock price could more than double in one year.

[Anonymous No.52451197]

>>52450364
You are absolutely delusional if you think they won't u-turn on this lmao.

[Anonymous No.52451205]

>>52451165
tesla is going to 0 because the gov is going to stop subsidizing it

[Anonymous No.52451240]

>>52451130
>It's going to be awful for traffic congestion with twice as many trucks on the road

impossible to build and power that many trucks. it wont happen.

[Anonymous No.52451247]

shill nuke+hydro stocks plz i'm a medfag and know little of this sector

[Anonymous No.52451300]

In reality around 1 cell in the pack is permanently ruined per 50 years of use. The rest of the pack is recycled.
In long range driving increased mass in the back of my electric van reduces range very little. That's how physics works. Constantly starting and stopping like in cities is where mass starts becoming a problem. These issues are also there in ICE engines we just ignore them because so far the fuel has been so cheap.
Reality has caught up to that. Building a local dam that produces energy forever is far cheaper than invading all those desert countries to ship a finite resource around the world 20 times before it reaches the consumer.

[Anonymous No.52451351]

>>52451205
>tesla is going to 0 because the gov is going to stop subsidizing it

The Inflation Reduction Act, which will start in 2023, will **GIVE** Tesla about $10K per model Y car sold in USA.
The Model Y car will be the number one car sold on the planet in 2023.
Tesla will become the most valuable company in the world before 2030.
Unlike Crypto, Tesla actually makes a large profit selling products people want.

The **LOWEST** predicted stock price I have seen for 2030 is 6X the present value.
Most analysts predict a much high stock price than this.

[Anonymous No.52451443]

>>52451351
why should they be 10x the value of say ford with a full range of evs?

[Anonymous No.52451560]

It's literally over for electric.

https://sports.yahoo.com/hydrogen-cars-offer-better-future-210000877.html

[Anonymous No.52451588]

>>52451443
>why should they be 10x the value of say ford with a full range of evs?

Model Y is the safest car EVER made... check out the European safely tests to confirm this.
It is not the number of EVs a company makes but the quality of them and the desirability of them.
Tesla cars are great cars.
Tesla public chargers WORK, try non-Tesla public chargers and compare them.
Tesla is like the iPhone of electric cars... they just work!.
If you any problems there are a lot other owners you can get help from and because their are so many on the road, and ONLY a few models, the people that repair EV are familiar with them and can repair and maintain them easily.

[Anonymous No.52451629]

>>52449907
Okay, now look up how much energy goes into producing enough diesel to refuel a semi. You know refineries use a lot of electricity too?

[Anonymous No.52451641]

>>52451164
Depends on the location. Most places can easily produce on these small scales but it's been cheaper to buy from the grid. Selling back to the grid they're competing with coal and natural gas. Both abundant byproducts of other industries. They would pay to get rid of them if they couldn't burn them for a bit of electricity. There's no way to compete with that unless there's a local premium for some reason. These stations you're complaining about provide exactly that.

[Anonymous No.52451659]

>>52451588
>Tesla cars are great cars

Bait detected, abdandon thread.

[Anonymous No.52451685]

>>52451641
>Most places can easily produce on these small scales

no they cant. you're mentally ill and know zero about energy.

[Anonymous No.52451738]

>>52451685
>no they cant. you're mentally ill and know zero about energy.

WTF!
Solar is dirt fucking cheap!
Add a battery storage pack and you have a fully functional charging station.

[Anonymous No.52451744]

>>52450364
>It's law for all of Europe
so was gassing the jews. yet here we are

[Anonymous No.52451762]

Pajeets say no to Tesla, yes to Cummins. We Cummin.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/cummins-tata-motors-team-up-for-hydrogen-internal-combustion-engines/ar-AA146fDP

[Anonymous No.52451769]

>>52451738
>WTF!
>Solar is dirt fucking cheap!

solar isnt cheap you spastic. the panels are expensive and they dont fucking work most of the time due to it being night time or cloudy.

so you need gas fired power stations, and gas is expensive.

[Anonymous No.52451799]

>>52451738
HEY RETARD
they don't work at night. they won't work when everyone will want to charge electric cars, the batteries will be empty. FUCKING USE YOUR BRAIN, RETARD. USE YOUR STUPID HEAD. YOU CAN'T. 'CAUSE IT'S STUPID

[Anonymous No.52451807]

>>52451205
Ahahahhaa fuck you’re clueless

[Anonymous No.52451811]

Electric trucks will never pick up due to density of energy needed for transport. The Tesla electric truck might as well be a scam for how useless it is for transport

>>52450364
Cars are not semi-trucks you dummy

[Anonymous No.52451843]

>>52450351
NPC

[Anonymous No.52451851]

>>52451685
A single farmer with a small stream can do a few megawatts. There's a small one doing 2MW a walking distance from my house. It exists because the startup cost was invested before the grid reached the area, in the current economic conditions it doesn't make sense to build one like it but since it's there it just chugs along. If there was a local premium then it makes sense to build it again in that location and locations like it.
Same principle applies to solar etc. You can get lots of power with dirt cheap materials in deserts. You don't need the fancy panels, just dark pipes the sun heats up.

[Anonymous No.52451873]

>>52449907
EV = green wash
we are being conned. we need trains and trams back, and walkable cities.
the Pedestrian should be the king!

[Anonymous No.52451887]

>>52451811
>density of energy needed for transport

Found another moron

[Anonymous No.52451984]

>>52451799
>they don't work at night. they won't work when everyone will want to charge electric cars, the batteries will be empty

I will use small words so you will not get confused.
Solar power is stored in a battery storage pack. This battery pack is large enough to power MANY cars, NOTE batteries work even at night!!
battery pack is recharged when sun shines, NOTE sun generally shines every day!!

I know this is hard for you to understand.
Solar -> big battery -> cars

[Anonymous No.52451996]

>>52451851
>A single farmer with a small stream can do a few megawatts

no he or she can't. you're delusional about what is possible. you do not get megawatts from a small stream.

[Anonymous No.52452020]

>>52451984
>Solar power is stored in a battery storage pack. This battery pack is large enough to power MANY cars, NOTE batteries work even at night!!

we cant build enough batteries or enough solar panels. its completely impossible.

[Anonymous No.52452038]

>>52451887
>>density of energy needed for transport
>Found another moron

what you need is diesel, the most energy dense liquid we have.

[Anonymous No.52452061]

>>52451873
It's over for diesel train engines.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hydrogen-powered-train-engine-unveiled-020120865.html

[Anonymous No.52452086]

>>52452061
>It's over for diesel train engines.
>https://www.yahoo.com/news/hydrogen-powered-train-engine-unveiled-020120865.html

great, all we need is lots of hydrogen. how do we get that, drill for it?

[Anonymous No.52452218]

>>52452020
>we cant build enough batteries or enough solar panels. its completely impossible.

Are you pretending to be this stupid?

[Anonymous No.52452242]

>>52449907
the globohomo cabal doesn't care. many things that are normal to us today will cease to exist. Our words of the world before will be as meaningful as grandpa's ramblings about .25 $ cheeseburgers in 1954.

Do you seriously think when the act of burning diesel is abolished entirely they will stop?
but ok lets assume we still have a few years until a bic pen is considered petrochemical contraband. yuro truckers are limited by 80km/h speeds and 8 hours of driving per 24h. literally all the rest stops are crammed at night with trucks all the way to the off ramp of the parking site. so at minimum every rest stop needs enlargement and the equivalent of 100 superchargers. assuming you actually have a battery capable of doing 8 hour shifts. and also assuming you're delivering clothes or other shit that weighs nothing, because of your weight limits.

so whats more likely: amazon prime shipping being effectively prohibited and every industry starts hoarding material instead of shipping, OR more nuclear reactors, coal plants and russian gas powering the EV truck future?

[Anonymous No.52452256]

>>52451984
>Solar power is stored in a battery storage pack
hey retard, learn to read
THE BATTERIES WILL BE EMPTY WHEN ALL THOSE CARS WILL WANT TO CHARGE. FUCKING RETARD

[Anonymous No.52452361]

>>52451996
2m3 of water to run the 2MW near me. I'm referencing physical evidence I can walk to right now. You just say things.

[Anonymous No.52452398]

>>52452256
Sun shining: Solar charges battery pack
Sun not Shining: Grid charges battery pack

If batter pack too low then takes power from grid
if battery pack too full then gives power to grid

Batter pack charges cars

[Anonymous No.52452415]

>>52452020
We can even do it without using any solar panels or complex batteries. Just pipes and sand.

[Anonymous No.52452481]

>>52450037
Their only solution is hydrogen(needs to catch up really), more nuclear with crazy battery investments, or compressed air which still requires crazy energy inputs n not ideal in general.

[Anonymous No.52452540]

>>52450351
Ya but how do you keep Tesla cars form being recognized and targeted for vandalism. How much of the engine can be recovered after a high schooler lights a bag of home made thermite on their hood? Remember those hummer tires flattened? I knew the people that did that and they were just high/bored for real. In an economic challenging environment, Tesla cars are a smack to everyone else's face on parade.

[Anonymous No.52452723]

>>52449907
>electric vehicles will consume the electricity of a small town

Midwit journalists should not be allowed to make engineering judgements.

The amount of diesel consumed by regular trucks can power a shit ton of towns. And that's considering that car engines are less efficient than power generators.

[Anonymous No.52452849]

>>52452540
>EVs bad cause vandalism
u wot m8

[Anonymous No.52452909]

>>52449907
>BOO HOO THE ELECTRICITY COMSUMPSIONS

Go away you illiterate.

[Anonymous No.52452970]

>>52449907
>EV's is the biggest WEF con they've pulled.

There's good reason to assume this is right on the mark and that is the plan. They've already said they don't want you owning cars. You will share your EVs and be happy. Nevermind being late to important shit and having your life blown up because your uber or w/e didn't show up. It's a small price to pay for having absolute control over the niggercattles ability to move around.

[Anonymous No.52453002]

>>52452970
>assume
You don't have to assume if you can actually think.
I can drive as much as I want using local resources. You rely on the global trade networks to deliver a limited resource from the arab colonies.

[Anonymous No.52453055]

Anyone who works in the trucking industry knows EV trucks aren't plausible anytime soon. The trucking industry does not like change.

[Anonymous No.52453106]

>>52452970
the problem I see is that there are no FOSS people working on automotive solutions. its all closed ecosystem surveillance and remote shutdown hell.

we need people who will pull of the raspberry pi of cars. fully open source hardware and software. fully published specifications from the motors or airbags to the window switches. the entire car should take nothing more than an allen key set, torque wrench or power drill to assemble.
bonus points if you can 3d print trim or A/C ducts yourself.

there should be 479 aliexpress sellers selling you knockoff steering wheels, doors or headlight parts RIGHT NOW.

[Anonymous No.52453564]

>>52453106
give it 5 years and i think people will more broadly understand this is the way things are going. i expect people will be open sourcing and improving toyota shitboxes by then with detailed tutorials on how to 3d print them or whatever if they have no desire to be the bugman slave caste.

[Anonymous No.52453805]

>>52453106
This would actually be based

EVs are cringe because they are unrepairable, overpriced pieces of shit for bigger pieces of shit driving them. So yes, the iPhone of vehicles. EVs and the ban on ICEs is literally an attack on the middle class. Can't afford a 100k car? Then stop living, bitch. That's what it all sums up to.

[Anonymous No.52453882]

>>52450990
what has that got to do with anything?
obviously if you had electric trucks you wouldnt charge them in the middle of a little residential road like that

[Anonymous No.52454007]

>>52453882
>what has that got to do with anything?

I think he trying to express that they have no garages and people park their vehicles on the sides of the road. He seems to feel that people will be running power cords from their house to their parked car.

[Anonymous No.52454059]

>>52453805
They're big batteries with motors. Proprietary computers control the flow from the batteries to the motors. You can buy replacement controllers from china that operate transparently or make your own.

[Anonymous No.52454214]

>>52449907
lol, hydro tesla announced for 23

[Anonymous No.52454611]

>>52450351
Lithium is not recyclable, new batteries can cost upto $20k for model S. Only a retard would buy an electric vehicle because of the think it would benefit the environment.

[Anonymous No.52455015]

>>52454611
>Only a retard would buy an electric vehicle because of the think it would benefit the environment.
Kind of but if you're desperately focused on the environment meme you can make it work. How much value you can squeeze out of the batteries depends on how you treat them not their inherent properties. My sacred 18650 cells will be passed down as heirlooms through the generations.
The battery is a fancy container for energy, it isn't energy. It's like a jerry can not gas.

[Anonymous No.52455373]

>>52450364
Britbong here. The government will absolutely delay it by another decade or two when the deadline gets closer. A good amount of people here are still driving 20-30 year old cars and can't afford anything newer. The electric second hand car market will have to become a lot cheaper before your average person can afford one.