/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.51615030]

>Stocks going down
>Gold going down
>Crypto going down

If all this money is leaving these assets, where is it going to? To use an analogy: there's always the same amount of water on this planet it just evaporates and goes elsewhere

[Anonymous No.51615046]

>>51615030
dam i miss playing maplestory with my bros. Saddest thing was booting the game back up couple years ago and seeing that it became a desolate shell of it's former self

[Anonymous No.51615051]

>>51615030
price is an auction. price go down = lower bids. potential buyers are holding their dollars

[Anonymous No.51615057]

>>51615051
Hmm... can you use an analogy? I only learn through analogies

[Anonymous No.51615059]

>>51615030
>If all this money is leaving these assets, where is it going to?

money and wealth aren't real fixed things like water

[Anonymous No.51615070]

>>51615059
Interesting, I don't know why I thought it was fixed. Is it more like ratios? All assets have ratios between them

[Anonymous No.51615078]

>>51615030
do you think there exists a finite quantity of value on planet earth? what makes you think we’ve achieved production access to that quantity, or that the globally produceable value quantity is at steady state?

[Anonymous No.51615088]

>>51615030
>exchange useless company paper for USD
>exchange useless shiny stone for USD
>exchange useless internet token for USD
>where the money go?

[Anonymous No.51615091]

You're unaware of leverage?

[Anonymous No.51615098]

>>51615057
Everyone thinks you're a cool guy. Then you get drunk, cry about how you're a worthless little cuck, and then beg some girl for sex even though she's clearly repulsed by you. Now nobody thinks you're cool anymore. Where did the respect of your peers "go"?

[Anonymous No.51615104]

>>51615030
since all of fiat is based on debt, i guess it's possible that the fiat just eats itself. and the "value" that never actually existed, just disappears into thin air.

[Anonymous No.51615117]

>>51615098
That was surprisingly good, thanks dude. I +famed you (where did it come from?

[Anonymous No.51615139]

>>51615070
>Interesting, I don't know why I thought it was fixed

Think of it like this. You are about to bang some proustite in exchange for a hotdog. She then notices a truck crashed outside and spilled hotdogs all over the ground, free for the taking. Is that sex still worth 1 hotdog?

[Anonymous No.51615148]

>>51615117
I was just trying to think of a better analogy for value and market capitalization than water levels.

[Anonymous No.51615157]

>>51615139
How come we never get a truck crashing outside that spills prostitutes over the ground? Would be nice to afford a truckload of prostitutes with 1 hotdog if you catch my drift

[Anonymous No.51615158]

>>51615030
It's going back to where it came from , thin air.

[Anonymous No.51615190]

>>51615157
F4

[Anonymous No.51615193]

>>51615158
Could we have a working economy without this money created out of thin air gimmick? What would that look like

[Anonymous No.51615194]

>>51615030

Cash and Treasuries.

>there's always the same amount of water on this planet it just evaporates and goes elsewhere

Literally false, both in physics and in your analogy. The market/economy is not a 0-sum game.

[Anonymous No.51615211]

>>51615190
F3 come give me kiss

[Anonymous No.51615216]

The value of the currency you're pricing them in went up

[Anonymous No.51615239]

>>51615193
humans no. machines yes

[Anonymous No.51615248]

>>51615239
Why humans no? is it because inflation is healthy for economy?

[Anonymous No.51615283]

>>51615193
What we had before - the gold standard.

[Anonymous No.51615311]

>>51615104
At this point, banks don't even have any reserve requirements, so yeah. It comes out of nothing, and goes back there.

[Anonymous No.51615322]

>>51615283
Gold has issues too. Banks can never resist the temptation to start doing fractional reserve shenanigans even if it's supposed to be illegal. Also sometimes its good to have a more inflationary currency - when your economy is able to grow quickly, inflationary currencies encourage investment. But your economy is stagnant, inflationary currencies encourage fake "growth" and fraud.

[Anonymous No.51615331]

>>51615139
yes because your hotdog doesn't have dirt and germs from being on the ground

[Anonymous No.51615354]

>>51615322
I don't know, I've never fully bought into deflation is bad theory.

Endless consumerism and unlimited economic growth don't work on a planet with finite resources.

[Anonymous No.51615376]

>>51615030
Money is not like water. They create that shit out of thin air constantly.
Debt is like a 7 trillion market.

[Anonymous No.51615385]

>>51615354
Yeah but say you're competing with another nation and whoever grows slower loses. Game theory dictates you try to grow faster even if it doesn't result in universal outcome optimization.

[Anonymous No.51615416]

>>51615030
Check the DXY

[Anonymous No.51615425]

>>51615385
This

[Anonymous No.51615479]

>>51615354

Deflation isn't bad. Retards have been brainwashed for the last 100 years to think it's bad. They are literally incapable of imagining a system where goods, services, and labor get cheaper, yet your savings grow in buying power.

Inflation is way worse because it literally causes everything to get more expensive and destroys the purchasing power of savings. It encourages taking on debt. It fucks over people that want to save money to buy a home, start a buisness, or send their kids to college. It also encourages governments to expand, increase deficit spending and it allows for corporations and banks to get bailouts and subsidies. Inflation is cancer.

[Anonymous No.51615541]

>>51615248
because (most) humans need currency to measure value. it's psychological. the truly wealthy don't measure their wealth in dollars but in assets, but they are a minority. machines don't have this problem, they can directly trade units of x for units of y at the speed of computation. money won't exist in the future

[Anonymous No.51615590]

How I wish I could go back and be in CH 1 Henesy Park harassing Asians in 2010.

[Anonymous No.51615604]

>>51615385
>>51615425

>Yeah but say you're competing with another nation and whoever grows slower loses. Game theory dictates you try to grow faster even if it doesn't result in universal outcome optimization.

Summary; You need inflation to grow faster.


>The Industrial Revolution happens during deflation.
>America becomes the most powerful country during WW1 and WW2 when Germany hyperinflates it's currency away. The UK had 25% inflation during WW1 and lost reserve currency status.

You don't need inflation to grow, that's a fucking myth. The entire 1800's in America proves it's a myth.

[Anonymous No.51615644]

>>51615030
Market cap, especially crypto market caps, is a made up number. Money isn't leaving, because money never went in.

[Anonymous No.51615826]

>>51615030
cc pls

[Anonymous No.51615844]

>>51615030
Brainlet op.

[Anonymous No.51615884]

>>51615030
The entire economy has been fake for at least 14 years.
We're waking up from a dream and just realized we were sleeping on the train tracks.

[Anonymous No.51615943]

>>51615479
>>51615604
you're trying to make a thesis for "hard money" which demonstrably has never existed in the manner that you or its proponents think it does or can do. humans are always looking for ways to arbitrage discrepancies in value and they will never adhere to any such "monetary standard" you impose because it is a distortionate intermediary, where there is value to be taken they will go get it regardless of any rules they are "supposed" to follow

[Anonymous No.51615960]

>>51615030
>>Crypto going down
The alts maybe the going down but the Mcap for stables have been on a rise; points only to one direction;
>people are seeking for investment safety.

[Anonymous No.51616071]

>>51615098
Holy fuck

[Anonymous No.51616082]

>>51615943

>you're trying to make a thesis for "hard money" which demonstrably has never existed in the manner that you or its proponents think it does or can do.

I didn't say a single thing about "hard money".

>humans are always looking for ways to arbitrage discrepancies in value and they will never adhere to any such "monetary standard" you impose because it is a distortionate intermediary, where there is value to be taken they will go get it regardless of any rules they are "supposed" to follow

What's this have to do with anything I said? This is the biggest Cope & Seethe deflection I've seen on 4chan today.

You claimed countries need inflation to grow, and when competing with other nations, they need higher inflation to encourage faster growth. I just posted a graph that proves you're full of shit. I didn't say a single thing about hard money, or a monetary standard. The United States grew faster than any other nation on the planet and had the Industrial Revolution during deflation. The UK lost it's reserve currency status when it inflated it's currency by 25% during WW1.

[Anonymous No.51616209]

>>51616082
ok so you're either disingenuous or you don't know what you're arguing for

[Anonymous No.51616226]

>>51616209

I'm not arguing for anything. You sound delusional lmfao. Get btfo.

[Anonymous No.51616245]

>>51616226
disingenuous and a brainlet to boot, looks like I win this one

[Anonymous No.51616278]

>>51616245

Cope. You didn't win anything, because you refuse to look at evidence right in front of you that disproves what you just said earlier. You are incapable of learning because of your ego.. You made an ass out of yourself, and even on an anonymous forum, you can't admit you were wrong. I feel bad for the people around you.

[Anonymous No.51616290]

>>51616278
kek, you don't know what you're talking about. you don't even comprehend the parameters of this conversation. you are undeniably a brainlet

[Anonymous No.51616317]

>>51615098
>tfw you get so desperate the drag queen reject covered in std’s is your answer. I-it’s ok if you used a condom, r-right?

[Anonymous No.51616358]

>>51615193
You always need some way to measure energy. We aren’t creating our own energy from nothing, and the things we want aren’t created out of nothing. So you need some measurable unit of energy. Maybe if you had some sort of ai that picked up rapid deviations in price and stabilized them more efficiently that current markets.

[Anonymous No.51616491]

>>51615960
Points to the fact that people are broke.Nothing else matters.

[Anonymous No.51616560]

>>51615030
>Understand stocks like rocks
>I own a rock
>Anon buys my rock for $10
>Nobody wants that rock
>Anon sells the rock for $1
The valuation of the stock/rock has just fallen, nothing else has really changed

[Anonymous No.51616796]

>>51615030
market cap is not real money

dividend stocks have strong fundamental even though it's not real money

[Anonymous No.51616819]

>>51615030
>>Stocks going down
money printing favours the few
>>51615030
>>Gold going down
>>Crypto going down
money isn't leaving them the prices were phony from the start due to derivatives/futures chicanery

[Anonymous No.51616847]

>>51615030
80% of money is credit. so when credit rates rise. people payback credit.
With other words the money created out of air becames air again.

[Anonymous No.51616854]

>>51616560
this type of basic intuitive understanding is how markets should work but now add futures/derivatives and you'll see why it's not the case.

[Anonymous No.51616904]

it never existed in the first place

the bank lends imaginary bucks and now they are lending less imaginary bucks

[Anonymous No.51616948]

>>51616854
>Futures and derivatives
Imo these are mostly just gambling unless you are actually exercising them
Also shorting
>I have a rock
>I lend anon the rock
>He sells the rock
>I want my rock back
>Anon buys back the rock and returns it

[Anonymous No.51616971]

If you have to ask, it's probably jews.

[Anonymous No.51616975]

>>51616948
Shorting
>i buy 10 rocks 1$
>i have 10 rocks
>my broker lend anon the rocks
>anon sells the rocks
>rock now 0.1$
>anon buy 10 rocks
>anon just made 9$
>i lost 9$ and dont know why

[Anonymous No.51617061]

>>51616975
>>I lost $9 and don't know why
You lose those 9 bucks once you realize the trade. Until then you are bagholding 10 rocks

[Anonymous No.51617070]

>>51617061
yeah i bagholding but i only lost becouse my broker lend it (without me knowing it)

[Anonymous No.51617071]

>>51616948
the point is you can see how they affect the regular/true price right?

[Anonymous No.51618887]

>>51615322
>banks can never resist
Its in their genetics

[Anonymous No.51619122]

>>51616491
Or maybe people are seeking better and safer opportunities. I sold off my holdings and staked the proceeds as stables on Spool; I'm in much more profit than when I sold, those who didn't are in loss. It's common sense faggot.

[Anonymous No.51619340]

>>51619122
DESU I don't see the reason why people hold for too long; it's not your father's inheritance FFS! Take profits when you can and touch grass. Why Spool though?

[Anonymous No.51619411]

>>51619122
I don't get why people hold for too long like it's a family inheritance; when you're in profits.... sell off. Why Spool though? Seems like a new yield protocol

[Anonymous No.51619500]

>>51619411
>Why Spool though?
It's Defi
transactions are purely based on smart contracts.
Other means of earning apart from staking like creating a smart vault

[Anonymous No.51620378]

>>51619122
>>51619411
>>51619500
Caught in the act, samefag shill. Good to know that Spoof is yet another pajeet scam
Go back to whatever place you came from and kill yourself

[Anonymous No.51620432]

>>51615590
>harassing innocent bystanders
How are you different to a nigger?

[Anonymous No.51621828]

>>51615030
it's going to cash. Look at the DXY
>>51615046
also this. Fucking loved playing that game

[Anonymous No.51622372]

>>51615960
Privacy alts won't be down for long. Remember that

[Anonymous No.51622438]

>>51615030
If I own a house that is worth $500k, I have an asset that is valued at $500k.

If I set said house on fire, it’s worth significantly less. In monetary terms my asset holdings suddenly disappeared. Where did it go? Nowhere, because wealth and markets aren’t zero sum, you dumb fuck

[Anonymous No.51622805]

>>51615057
Someone takes a shit in the water. No one wants to drink that water anymore.

[Anonymous No.51622856]

>>51620378
What's your definition of a shill

[Anonymous No.51622873]

>>51615030
They are getting cash ready to feast on real estate investments when the time is right

[Anonymous No.51622877]

>>51622372
That's for sure. Although, it makes sense to hype privacy focused projects considering the rising demand for security and how maintaining anonymous wallets matters in that regard

[Anonymous No.51622967]

>>51615117
guess the characters level

looks like level 30

[Anonymous No.51622980]

>>51622856
scam your mom if you want scam

>>51620378
based