Do WFH zoomies not see what's to come?

[Anonymous No.51058057]

I dont think people that support WFH understand the precedent this is setting. If this really becomes standard and generally accepted in the corporate world, do they not understand there is no reason for that company to hire from the local area anymore. They are going to pick from 5 billion third worlders that are all learning english and getting degrees for pennies to do your job for you. They do not give a fuck. WFH is not some wagie revolution, its an evolution in the next stage of post industrial economies, which is making you compete against the entire fucking world for a position at whatever corp you work at that doesnt give a fuck about you. I would not support this shit for a second if I was an office wagie because it is destroying the only thing is giving you job security, which is being able to commute to said office you hate. You'll get whats coming.

[Anonymous No.51058104]

>>51058057
as someone who worked in biotech they already do that. the people who make and invent your drugs are almost 100% chinese and indian even here in america. the entire west is slobbering over adderall not realizing its a chink trick just upsold meth, or ssri's, etc.

[Anonymous No.51058118]

>>51058057
so why not get good at something and monetize it dipshit?

thats almost exactly like saying automation will eliminate the need for work. its a narrow hypothetical

[Anonymous No.51058137]

>>51058057
This isn’t a problem if you’re more competent than the average pajeet

[Anonymous No.51058140]

Good, because it only affects woman's jobs. Men will continue to drive trucks, work in construction, preform surgeries, fix cars, grow food, etc.

[Anonymous No.51058165]

>>51058057
yeah industries and jobs that require physical presence and impossible to outsource. like manufacturing or call centers. oh wait.

[Anonymous No.51058193]

Outsourcing has taken place for decades you retard.

[Anonymous No.51058195]

>>51058137
Most office work is not that demanding, its just gatekept by needing a college degree which usually doesnt apply to the actual experience in the job. Women overehelmingly are going to be replaced in the office workforce because the majority of theur jobs are make work jobs that were only needed when people interacted at the office, and a pajeet could do theur job better. Unless youre a very experienced engineer or designer of some kind, or a very good salesman, theyre going to pay a pajeet or nigerian to save paying someone 10x as much. Hell they could hire 3 or 4 to do it better than you.

[Anonymous No.51058220]

>>51058057
This is already happening before pandemic induced WFH, it's called outsourcing retard. Also some remote jobs have region restrictions meaning you still have to be in the country to work remote. Alternatively an argument can be made about jobs that cant be done at home, it will get automated and you will still be jobless lol.

[Anonymous No.51058254]

>>51058193
Not in post industrial office jobs. Most are still done by natives. The transition from industrial to post industrial was because of outsourcing. Once they outsource all the jobs created by post industrialism all that will be left are fast food wagies and tradesmen, which are already being filled by immigrants overwhelmingly. Middle class native office wagies are going to be forced to settle for less.

[Anonymous No.51058265]

>>51058104
Tech is similar. It's very hard to get a job, especially on entry level because a lot of the Indian higher-ups would rather import more Indians that they know from back home. Without that or knowing someone already working for the company you'll get one offer every 100 apps

[Anonymous No.51058270]

>>51058057
Many companies started to bring back their outsourced jobs actually, mostly to europe because at least they english is more understandable let alone their work ethic.
It's obvious you have no fucking idea what you're talking about but here's your (you) anyway, faggot

[Anonymous No.51058325]

>>51058220
Outsourcing has not really taken place heavily in jobs that have been made WFH. Only manufacturing really. Which is why our economy is post industrial. And robots as of our current timeframe are still decades out before they replace most jobs. WFH wagies could get replaced right now and will be.

[Anonymous No.51058377]

>>51058270
No one is bring back their outsourced jobs to europe lmao. Maybe Eastern Europe. Western Europe is too fucking expensive to hire compared to a pajeet.

[Anonymous No.51058408]

>>51058057
So what? If the demise is going to happen anyway you may as well ride the wave and enjoy the cushy job while you can.

[Anonymous No.51058490]

>>51058195
So the problem is in remote work but it is greedy as fuck corporations, as always. Thanks for the insight.

Yes, this is occuring at 1 place that I know of. I applied at Wikipedia for a senior dev position. I interviewed with one of their HR girl based in southern Brazil. Felt kind of awkward telling her my salary requirements (150-200K), considering where she was from.

No matter though. Everyone prefers developers who have US degrees, New York and California jobs, with years of experience and no gaps. I fit all of those. I demand remote work and the same wages as non-remote, or I move on to the next one.

[Anonymous No.51058581]

>>51058057
Maybe for brainless data-entry style jobs; anything requiring human interaction is sticky with people wanting plain-English speaking reps. Literally did a big fortune 50 outsourcing project a few years ago so have some insight from that can expand if anyone's interested. Long story short- anything requiring tact, or "soft touch" or where the customer has the ability to throw their weight around won't be outsourced for a long time.

[Anonymous No.51059430]

>>51058057
>WFH is not some wagie revolution, its an evolution in the next stage of post industrial economies, which is making you compete against the entire fucking world for a position at whatever corp you work at that doesnt give a fuck about you.

Highest IQ sentence posted on /biz/ in 6 months.

[Anonymous No.51059470]

>>51058057

I work in a position for which foreign nationals legally cannot do my work, don't care.

[Anonymous No.51059505]

>>51058581
I think this is cope. Your job is not sacred

[Anonymous No.51059534]

>Foreign workers will compete through the internet instead of being brought here

[Anonymous No.51059557]

>>51058057
>Be tradcuck poorfag
>Cope all day long that you can't work from home
>Destroy your own body for a few $
>Body is broken when he is in his 50
>Always around other low iq tradcucks or immigrants who can't speak his language
>D-da w-wfh jobs are getting outsourced in 2 weeks j-just wait

[Anonymous No.51059572]

>>51059470
>They certainly won't change the laws to pander to the newest Democratic voter base at the detriment of the White Male Wagie class.

[Anonymous No.51059618]

>>51058057
>no reason for that company to hire from the local area anymore
Fair, kind of accurate. There are still exceptions
>5 billion third worlders
Retard alert.
It's a given that companies are going to hire people from all over the US for remote positions, but there are very few cases where it makes any sense to hire someone in a different country. I don't want to work for tech support or a call center, so it doesn't really concern me.
Biz is really becoming like Reddit: a bunch of dumb faggots talking about things they know nothing about (in this case, having a job)

[Anonymous No.51059625]

>>51058140
>grow food
they're trying their hardest to kill farmers everywhere so that the Cargills and Monsantos can take over with vertical goy slob factories and transport it from the cheapest country to the west.

[Anonymous No.51059626]

>>51059534
They will still be brought here though until whites go extinct

[Anonymous No.51059651]

If we assume the oldest zoomer is 25 wouldn't that mean that most WFHgies over the past 2.5 years have been millennials?

[Anonymous No.51059728]

>>51059505
When calling a call center do you prefer talking to pajeeto or cletus? 9/10 people prefer cletus, with businesses also prefer cletus. You might be competing with someone in bumfuck Missouri but you're not competing with some fucker out of the country. Literally everyone wants the person on the other end of the line to speak American English, no one wants to talk to an Indian, and Businesses are willing to go to competitors or even pay a premium for plain american english.
>The ability to effectively communicate is typically stronger in onshore talent than offshore

[Anonymous No.51059769]

>>51059728
exactly, whenever i get calls at work and hear an indian voice, i'm 95% inclined to to hang up immediately unless their dialogue doesn't sound like a call center scam script

[Anonymous No.51059785]

>>51059728
The only time I don't speak to a pajeeto or cletus is when I have to call a state agency. Your job is not sacred

[Anonymous No.51060015]

>>51059769
exactly, and almost everyone has the same feeling. Its one thing for something like comcast or a local power company outsourcing their client reps because you literally can't switch, but most industry's have some level of competition. Like if my company outsources it's HR functions to another business, there are a million different options to chose from, and I can specifically say that we will avoid anywhere we have to settle for a pajeet whenever we call in. And so many things are like this; all else equal would you pay a slight premium for a teacher who speaks proper english?

At the end of the day business is about human interaction and outsourced employees result in a nonzero level of friction introduced into these interactions. This non zero level of friction is taken into account when making decisions.

[Anonymous No.51060067]

>>51058104
lol. I work at a research lab in the UK and no reputable company hires Chinamen because everyone knows they just steal your compounds after synthesis

[Anonymous No.51060152]

>>51058057
I work from home. Every recruiter that contacts me asks if I am a citizen of my country and thus eligible to work. Pajeets are not automatically eligible for all WFH jobs retard

[Anonymous No.51060156]

>>51059728
applies to any level of job. i work in corporate accounting and i voted to reject a candidate because she was ESL chinese. of course i didn't say that, but accented english has no place in white company.

[Anonymous No.51060158]

Companies have been allowed to hire foreign contractors to work remotely since before the pandemic, so why wasn't this a problem before?

[Anonymous No.51060198]

>>51058057
why isn't the heineken crate censored?

[Anonymous No.51060200]

>>51059557
If your job can be done from home and you arent cooking cleaning or raising a baby you are a parasite. Plain and simple.

[Anonymous No.51060243]

>>51058137
false

[Anonymous No.51060265]

Why are Indians such terrible programmers if they are completing Calc III with A's in middle school?

[Anonymous No.51060306]

If the only thing standing between a third worlder and your job is the fact they live further away, you're already on thin ice. I'm better at my job (SWE) than most people in my country (UK) let alone someone with a third world education.

[Anonymous No.51060337]

maybe if you have a shit tier wfh position but they typically require atleast once a week office visits to work with team, or once a quarter trips to HQ to work with peers

[Anonymous No.51060536]

>>51060200
Seethe tradcuck seethe. I sit in my comfy chair while you are kneeling in dirt and shit.

[Anonymous No.51060566]

>>51058057
Good thing I can't be replaced by a random Indian guy

Smell you later OP

[Anonymous No.51060567]

>>51058490
South Brazil is rich though. No hard feelings there, fren.

[Anonymous No.51060810]

>>51058057
Leer eerst maar eens Nederlands, neger.

[Anonymous No.51060923]

>>51059785
You are one and the many who call are not like you, they are profitable for the business, unlike you.

[Anonymous No.51061165]

Ah the old boomer mindset of warming seats in the office.

It was the boomers themselves that actually popularised outsourcing remotely to places like India to save money. And a lot of individual contributors were replaced in this way. GenX and to a lesser extent older GenY told them it was going to be a bad idea, but they did it anyway.

Being able to hire at least 3-4 Pajeets for every worker was just too tempting. Even if they're 'not that good' they thought, if we just hire enough of them, toss them into teams or onto existing teams there's more capacity for projects and that all important 'headcount' metric which can be used for budgets and political battles.

What I find ironic is that now we get told by boomers (and those gullible enough to believe their lies) that because of remote work we're all going to be replaced. Nonsense. Outsourcing the lower level people is something that if they wanted to do more of, they'd have done it. They haven't increased it because: it's been largely a disaster. And also even places that still 'see the benefits' know it's like diluting the lemonade, there's only so much tap water you can add before it stops being the same quality. So assume for the lower level grunts the ratio is more less set already.

It's actually the boomer management layers that has the most to lose from remote work long term because for the first time ever really, upper management can see that management in the layers below can be done for 2+ years from anywhere, then why not outsource that as well? This is why boomer managers are pushing so hard for return to the office, to save their own hide. Ironically enough I know of two corporate middle managers that have been let go because they pushed RTO hard and half the people under them quit. I work for a large corporate that tried to force contractors all back to the office and so many of them quit that they decided to put that 'on hold' and try to push the employees in instead.

[Anonymous No.51061338]

>>51060923
That's fine, happened in tech once the first pajeetus is the one calling other pajeetus' it snowballs from there. The same people thinking they're immune from job loss because they're white better start getting on the white unification train

[Anonymous No.51061406]

The company I work for outright said they hired me so they could get rid of their offshore contractors. Offshore pajeets are fucking awful at their jobs, you get what you pay for.

[Anonymous No.51061445]

>>51058057
This already happened. It's why the US generational wealth graph is the way it is. The wealth just got transferred overseas.

[Anonymous No.51061539]

can't outsource the guy doing client interaction, most client's dont want to deal with Pajeet's

[Anonymous No.51061671]

>>51058195
Issue is a lot of these companies need collaboration to work. Like meetings on standard schedules everyday. So unless these pajeets and chinks are nocturnal they can't work with US people. And no one is buying $1mm worth of software from Rajesh from Mumbai

[Anonymous No.51061741]

>>51060265
You need soul to write a good program.

[Anonymous No.51061747]

>>51058137
That would only be true if we lived in a meritocracy, which we dont, at all.
A company would rather hire someone of 1/4 the competence for 80% of the pay.

[Anonymous No.51062082]

>>51059505
You havent dealt with pajeet or chink "english" in any significant capacity.

[Anonymous No.51062094]

>>51058057
Only thing that will happen is WFH jobs will become micro managed like crazy.

Mandatory cameras installed on desktops.

Idle mouse trackers to make sure you are actively working and not slacking off along with screen sharing software.

Team leaders constantly messaging you to see what you're doing/making sure you are productive.

Honestly, I welcome it. White collar class has this golden ticket just fall into their laps and they have done nothing to really deserve it.

[Anonymous No.51062160]

>>51062094
>Idle mouse trackers to make sure you are actively working
My last job had this, so I wrote an autohotkey script to slightly move the mouse after a random 10-20 second period a random direction so I would never be listed as away.

[Anonymous No.51062170]

>>51058057
this kind of defeatist thinking has no happy ending. You're saying the only job security that exists is physically being at the job. Why not believe that the only reason you're alive is because the elites dont feel like killing you? What do you do, just stare at a wall angrily all day?

[Anonymous No.51062178]

>>51058057
>>51060200
mmmm blue collar wagies to peddle some shit for coin. Love them. Now fix my HVAC wagie, your boss said no slacking :)

[Anonymous No.51062247]

>>51058057
This is already happening in software development, my buddy works at Microsoft and they are hiring more and more wfh Indians for their core teams

[Anonymous No.51062275]

>>51062178
Those blue collar peasants will just charge you hundreds of dollars for a repair that will literally take them 10 mins to fix simply bc most members of the clerical class are too helpless to to do it themselves.

[Anonymous No.51062290]

>>51062082
You've never lived in Redmond

[Anonymous No.51062304]

>>51062275
because they value their free time more than the money they'd spend on fixing a car or whatever lmao

[Anonymous No.51062336]

>>51062304
that sounds like a lot of cope

[Anonymous No.51062400]

>>51059505
lmao brainlet take, i work in electrical field services, imagine pajeet trying to give instructions over the phone on how to get the grid back on

[Anonymous No.51062467]

>>51062400
It'll be easy when it's a pajeet on the other end of the phone.

[Anonymous No.51062527]

>>51058057
That's where the law should step in and require 99% of hires to be citizens.

[Anonymous No.51062694]

>>51058057
My position, by federal law, requires US citizens only. No one other than shit-tier employees cares if they farm out jeetcoding to India.

Not my problem. Git gud or find a new career.

[Anonymous No.51062711]

>>51058137
Tell that that to Boeing.

[Anonymous No.51062721]

>>51062527
Or just get a job that ramesh from bangalore can't do for 1/4 what they're paying you

[Anonymous No.51062774]

This take is good, but from having worked in the office for 4 years now to permanently WFH. They tried to replace me recently and couldn’t because the new guy didn’t understand the company values only gained through face to face interaction. I’m now charging more. I don’t think it’s simply WFH means less work. There’s other factors.

[Abdul Pajeet No.51062962]

Good morning sirs!

[Anonymous No.51064147]

>>51058057
>they are gonna get OMG GASP 3RD WORLDERS!!!!

>doesnt think about time difference
>doesnt think about language barriers
>generally bad work(speaking primarily about code)
if a 3rd worlder could stay up and be productive for normal business hours, speak fluent english, and could produce work at the same level as someone back home, they would be charging what they charge back home.
The only reason its cheap, is because it has caveats.

I have literally outsourced in the past, and been on teams with outsourced workers.

[Anonymous No.51064183]

>>51062962
you didn't have to change the name field bro the 'sirs' was enough looooooool

[Anonymous No.51064212]

>>51058057
Tough luck. Adapt or die, boomer. I ain't going back to the cubicle.

[Anonymous No.51064243]

>>51059572

Trust me, they wont for this stuff.

[Anonymous No.51064260]

>>51062711
Didn't they have a bunch of plane crashes a few years ago?

[Anonymous No.51064945]

>>51060536
After the fall man was sentenced to toil in the soil. Dirt and manure smell and feel good.

[Anonymous No.51065359]

>>51058057
The majority of them are short sighted and obsessed with instant gratification.
One of the major purposes of the lockdowns was to try and nudge companies into automation and smart contracts, they want the fourth industrial revolution and suckers are walking into it with their eyes closed.

[Anonymous No.51066193]

My company already does this but there's just some shit pajeets cant really do because they come from an entirely different culture (in my job anyway)

[Anonymous No.51066218]

>>51058057
2 more week faggots. Take this (You) since you want it so badly

t. working from home for over 5 years

[Anonymous No.51066498]

Most americans literally are not.

[Anonymous No.51066818]

>>51058254
> not in post industrial office jobs
You clearly have never had a "post industrial office job". Outsourcing has been happening for YEARS. Take call centers for example. I'm a Software Engineer. Tech companies have been attempting to outsource work for at least 2 decades. They eventually realize, "oh shit, these dipshits we hired for pennies are actually dumb. They got us our first milestone, but the second one, which only requires 1/10th the total work, took twice as long as the first milestone." Then they go back to regular American workers because they took the L on paying dipshits to shit all over their codebase. Then they pay competent natives to unfuck the codebase at a premium. Case and point:
> I worked for major "gaming" company (read "gaming" as gambling)
> Shitalian Execs all create their own retard pet-projects
> One Shitalian finds a shady Caribbean company to contract in order to build his retard pet-project
> Doesn't do any due-diligence on the company, just sees their SUPER CHEAP compared to other companies he received quotes from
> Proceeds to wait a year for a working prototype
> They've been playing shell games with vaporware like those street hustlers
> Never produce a damn thing in over a year
> Internal team at HQ finds out about this pet project contract, hands the working prototype to my team
> We analyze everything, deem it completely useless
> Shitalian Exec doesn't mention that this contract GUARANTEES these absolute street shitters 2 years of pay
> They fly what appear to be Venezuelan high school kids into the office for a projected 2 weeks where we'll work with them to unfuck their codebase
> They are there for all of 3 days before we convince the Director of Engineering to cancel this shit, pay the contract (really a ransom) out and never do business with them again
> We were asked to create a completely new software prototype in 4 months, we all demanded 50k bonuses and received them.

[Anonymous No.51066851]

>>51066818
So many good stories from that absolute joke of a company. Their new Director of Engineering is a dipshit who I constantly had to fix their work because they didn't know anything. Incompetence really is the fast track to either being promoted or fired.

[Anonymous No.51066922]

its so funny reading comments from people who have never had a corporate job saying that foreigners can replace us
you cant trust them with private information.
you cant effectively communicate with them.
you cant trust their education or ability.
you will never have corporate culture of comradery with them.

the quality of output is so bad that you literally cannot trust them to do anything besides call centers for the simplest things.

[Anonymous No.51066946]

>>51059505
This is what you get when you offshore your "customer service" to Philippines.

[Anonymous No.51067423]

>>51062721
Why would it make any sense for first world to compete with turd world? The environment is entirely different. You hire ranjeesh and your 747 Maxs fall out of the sky