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Use this one instead, accounts for decreasing volatility. Formulas for buy & sell lines:
>Buy: Price = EXP(LN(Date)*5.5046 - 36.8846)
>Sell: Price = EXP(LN(Date)*4.4549 - 26.2872)
Where date is days since April 26, 2009 (being day 0) - somewhat arbitrary for log scaling

Indicator (graph B) just scales the price so that 0 & 1 correspond to the buy and sell lines. Few more details here: >>/biz/thread/49786005

>> No.51026293

>>51026266
Also, lines were calculated on May 15, 2022, well before the dump to 17.6k

>> No.51026360

>>51026266
checked thanks for posting anon

>> No.51026368

nice chart op
but why does it stop curving in the future
same with the rainbow chart
its all curling at an ever increasing angle of curve until the future projection then it stops curving

>> No.51026375
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51026375

>>51026266
if you ignore the data after 2020 what top would it predict? 60k or higher?
also is there a url or smt?

>> No.51026390

>>51026266
dude can you smartfags just tell me if i should buy or not? no need to make thse graphs and make up new words. just say if i should buy or sell

>> No.51026407

>>51026390
dca

>> No.51026419

>>51026390
I’m waiting for a further drop. I’m buying Litecoin under $44, Bitcoin under $17000

>> No.51026423
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>>51026368
It doesn't stop curving, that's just an illusion. This is what it looks like on a log-log scale. You get fixed % returns (log scale) over each % increase in time. It takes more and more time for the same % returns, but it doesn't ever go flat.

>> No.51026441

>>51026266
>Rainbow chart
>Seems to forget how a rainbow in reality looks like

>> No.51026444
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51026444

i also made a chart
tell me what you think

>> No.51026452

>>51026375
Bump

>> No.51026468

>>51026444
It's wrong because it models price as an exponential function of time. OP is correct in using a power-law relation.

>> No.51026469

>>51026444
seems about right

>> No.51026482

>>51026419
As of now, the buy line is at 18.9k

>>51026375
I'm not going to start cherry-picking when I already get an r-squared of .95 from the entire price history. The graph as it is only has 4 free parameters to worry about.

>> No.51026485

good thread OP

>> No.51026490

>>51026266
does eth follow this?

>> No.51026523

>>51026482
What do you project as the next top for price and date

>> No.51026555

>>51026375
I wonder the same thing. How would the chart look if you created it using the data up to January 2017? Or up to January 2020? When you have all the data available, it's easy to create a chart to fit it.

>> No.51026602

>>51026482
>muh r2
so it wouldnt have predicted the 60k top, gotcha.

>> No.51026606

>>51026555
It looks exactly the same. I know because I posted this exact analysis throughout 2021 and instead of being praised was called a "fucking bobo". Now that the chart is printing 'buy' all the /biz/ smoothbrains are finding profound wisdom in it.

>> No.51026608

>>51026482
I guess technically 5 free parameters, since setting time 0 (for the purposes of log scaling) is arbitrary. I went with the time that gave the highest r-squared, downweighing earlier years when BTC was flat at $0.1 for a long time

>> No.51026622

>>51026555
op calls that cherry picking, kek

>> No.51026626

>>51026606
Even in June, all anyone did was grift, REEing about it hitting 8k
>>/biz/thread/49786005

>> No.51026637

Honestly your model seems too optimistic. ~250k in 2025 seems too...high, i dunno

>> No.51026715
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>>51026622
>>51026555
It becomes easier to fit whatever you want when you pick out small bits of data.

>>51026637
If we're talking early 2025, then it's around 220k

>> No.51026735

>>51026555
But I will spend some time fitting a line to the first 2 days, 3 days, all the way up to today, to see how much the trajectory changes as time goes on.

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>>51026423
i tried extending your chart but i can't figure out the x axis

>> No.51026772

>>51026755
also i see now my green line isnt prefectly aligned

>> No.51026799

>>51026755
neither is red line actually. lines are hard

>> No.51026819

>>51026755
Well you've extended it about 51 years into the future, I'm sure it'll break by then. Plus only upside volatility has really decreased so far, remains to be seen if the green line will start getting compressed up as well.

>> No.51026832

>>51026637
>>51026715
I'm getting a baseline value of $57,921.98 for 08/21/2025.

>> No.51026863

>>51026799
>lines are hard
Just use math. Charts are only illustrations of functions.

>> No.51026871

>>51026863
according to an iq test i took once i'm literally retarded. undiagnosed

>> No.51026922

>>51026266
>just use my scuffed version of the rainbow chart dude
at least make a website and put some colors oh wait that would be literally the rainbow chart

>> No.51026950

when 1 million?

>> No.51027017

>>51026922
>>51026375
Fine, I'll do some gay webdev stuff and put an interactive version online in a few days. By doing so, SBF would subvert it, thereby invalidating it.

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>>51026819
alright you said 51 years so i did this. i don't think it looks right are you sure about 51 years?

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>>51026266
>Stop posting the rainbow chart that's literally never been wrong once for my shitty chart where the green bottom line is constantly being broken!!

>> No.51027276

>>51027017
"it is not enough that i succeed, others must fail"
-sammy "the bank man" freed

>> No.51027356

>>51027179
I mean, its a log scale, it looks about that to me, but who cares what the price will be more than a few cycles in the future. Model will be broken by then, and we will all have made it, or be dead by then. But if it puts you at ease, here:

Date, Floor, Ceil
2023-01-01, 21959, 115181
2023-06-01, 25869, 131513
2024-01-01, 32368, 157671
2024-06-01, 37751, 178577
2025-01-01, 46552, 211582
2025-06-01, 53720, 237582
2026-01-01, 65403, 278597
2026-06-01, 74836, 310693
2027-01-01, 90086, 361010
2027-06-01, 102306, 400156
2028-01-01, 121919, 461184

>> No.51027363

>>51026266
Why does it spend like a year below the bottom curve? Doesnt seem like a good bottom predictor.

>> No.51027393

>>51027363
Bottom as in that is the optimal line if you buy only when the green line is hit, and do not buy again or sell until the red line is hit, then repeat. Overall best performance while being as simple as possible.

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>>51027225
>>51027363

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>>51027356
very nice thankyou

>> No.51027591

>>51026490
No, because ETH is a retarded twink scam that is destined to go to zero against BTC.

>> No.51028023

>>51026482
> r-squared of .95 from the entire price history
so in other words, the model, as far as we know, fits well to past performance but is likely completely useless for forecasting future results?
good to know

>> No.51028138

>>51028023
It's passed one hurdle so far, calling the 17.6k bottom. We'll see if it calls more.

>> No.51028523

>>51028138
what if it doesn't go below the purple line

>> No.51028585

>>51026266
>Buy: Price = EXP(LN(Date)*5.5046
why *5.5046?

>> No.51028626

>>51026468
>power-law relation
why?

>> No.51028817

guys im retard, so should i sell now and wait for bottom to buy or just hold at this point

>> No.51028987

>>51028817
hold

>> No.51029590

>>51026266
Eth and BTC week

>> No.51029775

>>51028817
Hold but buy more once we go under the purple line

>> No.51029813

>>51028138
Anon I’m poor, I can’t afford Btc but can buy a few eth, are you really saying eth isn’t gonna make it...

>> No.51029839

>>51026266
One mistake, yellow line on chart B is the 99th percentile

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51030483

>>51026266
cope

>> No.51030586

>>51026626
That was posted the day it hit 17k saying it was the bottom, but the chart in the op had the bottom way lower. No one knows

>> No.51031681

>>51030586
It's the exact same lines you retard, you just don't know how to read a log scale.

>> No.51031995

>>51031681
What? I'm talking about the chart in the op of the archived thread you posted?

>> No.51032094

>>51031995
Yes, that was my thread. I used the exact same formula in that thread as in this one.