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>have ok job as database administrator for large company
>work here for 8 years, fully remote since 2020
>never explain people how I do things or how the database works
>unrepleacable
>spend 20 mins working and the rest of the day playing games
>everthing is going well
>suddenly, new manager
>wants to completely reorganize everything
>he's not happy with me, saying I "monopolized knowledge" and "abused my position"
>brings in 20 year old college students
>I have to train them to do my job
>I'm not stupid, I ask him how long I have
>he says he doesnt know but if I were you I would spend 15 mins a day sending job applications
>I tell him I could poison the database in subtle ways so that backups won't work, errors will be popping off for years to come
>he says its a risk he's willing to take and if I do that he'll hire a team of engineers to audit every single data entry from 2018 to the present even if it costs him millions of dollars

What now?

>> No.50957308

Call his bluff, you have all the power. You could probably get him sacked if you threaten to leave. You basically hold them hostage, don’t give up an inchl

>> No.50957318

automated spambot thread
report it, dont read it

>> No.50957340

>>50957247
Database administrator for 8 years?
You have already made it from blockchain, right?

>> No.50957364

>>50957308
fpbp

guy is threatening to spend whats likely 5-10x your salary on a team of auditors. document everything and if you are truly unreplaceable then theres no way you can lose

>> No.50957396

>>50957247
Your manager sounds based. You should have cooperated. He'd probably let you get by with 4 hour days if you just massaged his balls a bit.

You can still salvage things if you have a bit of real competence to fall back on. Make a major improvement to the system which saves people time. Document and quantify the time/money saved. Tell him you have lot's more ideas like this.

>>50957308
Nah. He already flubbed by threatening outright to sabotage the company. He could be held criminally liable if they find anything.

>> No.50957487

Don't train the newcomers, don't be stupid. Just quit your job yourself. What's the manager going to do? Force you to stay in order to train those shits and then replace you anyway? Fuck him and fuck them

>> No.50957576
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50957576

>>50957247
>What now?
find a new job then quit and leave boss in charge of college kids who don't know wtf theyre doing

>> No.50957594

>>50957247
You left something out of that story. Why did you "abuse your position"?

>> No.50957646

>>50957396
I only threatened him AFTER he told me I should spend 15 mins a day sending job applications.

>>50957594
by not sharing knowledge of how the database works. its from the early 90s, the people who created it are dead or retired.

>> No.50957716

>>50957646
And the new manager concluded that you did this intentionally? I mean stuff like that happens, the people before you didn't document anything as well I'm guessing? That's just some tech debt that needs addressing, no reason to suspect anybody of wrongdoing. Usually there are more pressing things every day, so documentation lags behinds. You did document the passwords etc. somewhere though, right?

>> No.50957735

>>50957646
And what do you mean, "knowledge of how the database works"? The schema is known to every developer, right?

>> No.50957763

>>50957247
don't poison the database, you'll go to prison. instead continue doing nothing and applying to jobs. refuse to train the new guy. they might fire you quickly. they might not. either way you win, because the manager is clueless and the new guy isn't learning anything.

>> No.50957786

you really should only help train your other slaves - I mean coworkers if they ask themselves. every time I try to improve processes or speed things up for even my own subordinates they get hostile because they’d rather spend all day at work without thinking than think about a new way to do something and spend less time at work. let ‘em rot, when you find a new job don’t even give them two weeks. Also train the new kids wrong on purpose

>> No.50957790

>>50957646
You could easily turn this around on the company/management too. "They never encouraged documentation", "They never approved cross training", etc. Abuse this as long as you can

>> No.50957814

>>50957716
He's very intelligent and instantly realized I did it intentionally to make myself harder to fire. i intentionally sabotaged efforts to document the database and no one really knows how it works. the last developer died years ago.

>> No.50957861

>>50957814
Just don't cooperate. They basically can't fire you until you give them that power, and there'll be hell to pay if they do. Get a new job and bounce

>> No.50957901

>>50957735
He's probably larping. Either that or he was the sole maintainer of their database & schema, so that he's built convoluted routines for writing and reading in it.

Those routines he's not willing to explain to newcomers. The newcomers could just as easily rebuild the db though, it only took one guy to build it (and fuck it up)

>probably larp thread

>> No.50957917 [DELETED] 

I'd jump him in the parking lot for coming in and accusing me of a bunch of stuff and basically saying he's going to fire me later. I'd also stop coming in and I would refuse to train anyone and I would wipe the database of all data and change all the passwords. basically this faggot came in and fucked you cuz reasons and expects you to stick around and take it. fuck him and his shit. jump him in the parking lot and make sure he stays scared for lifefrom the beatdown

>> No.50958010

>>50957917
>wipe all the data
you'd go to prison for 5 years easy. do not sabotage the company property. it's a serious felony.

>> No.50958075

He's got your number OP. Better to just beg for forgiveness and maybe you won't be lead from the building in handcuffs

>>50958010
Assault, also, is a serious felony. Even if OP is some cheeto-stained weeb that gets spread out like butter by Manager Chad

>> No.50958114

>>50957814
k3k, you know he would have understood if you were lazy, every comfy faggot in tech is lazy, but to intentionally do stupid shit, is retarded.
Also your autistic ass escalated the situation beyond repair, yeah start applying to other places, also jail isn't fun let go off the ego maybe when you are far removed from the situation, you can work through this shit emotionally. If you try to do anything stupid right now while you are emotionally impared (this is quite the blow to your ego and self confidence), while he is up your ass and you will end up in a worse position.
Take the L and move on, you have 8 years of exp, you should get a pay raise at another place, don't bother teaching them kids, not your job now.

>> No.50958118

>>50958010
oopsie poopsie I was doing some maintaince and the system just crashed I dont know wht happened! OH NO ITS WIPED THATS HORRIBLE HOW DID THIS HAPPEN!
oh well the new hires can rewrite it from scratch I quit. later bitches
*beat faggot boss for an extra 5 minutes in the parking lot again before leaving*

>> No.50958133

>>50957716
That retard won't be able to prove shit.

>> No.50958236

>>50958118
underage / unemployed / underexperienced/autism. Take your pick
chaospill is very fun on the internet, office space is good movie anon.
But only retard would think this is a good idea, also egging a stranger to self destruct is very mean

>> No.50958237

>>50957786
>Also train the new kids wrong on purpose
as a joke

>> No.50958248

>>50957247
larpylarp

>> No.50958302

>>50957247
How will they know what's in your head unless they ask for specifics.
So in terms of training, get them to drive it and define what they are looking for.
Then simply give the minimum info (how will they know there's more, if you don't divulge it).
Also, I'm not really sure it's legal to hire replacements and ask you to train them unless you're being made redundant. Now if they're expanding the team that's different but then you wouldn't expect to be laid off. Which way it is should totally be made clear at the outset, otherwise go to HR and say you're being replaced by cheaper, inexperienced staff and demand formal redundancy process if so.
You should have denied his claims of 'monopolize knowledge" and "abused your position".
In a way you're lucky, he's given you a heads-up, just start applying for a new job. Heck he's even allowed you to apply on company time!
Good times never last forever, at least you enjoyed it while it lasted.

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50958360

>>50957646
>I only threatened him AFTER he told me I should spend 15 mins a day sending job applications

you're a fucking idiot. you gave up a signficant advantedge letting your boss know that the game is up and there's only 2 outcomes from here on out: you rugpull him or he rugpulls you.

with the threat, that's a potentially huge criminal liabilty that legal might get you for AFTER you rugpull or get fucked. anything that goes wrong can be blamed on you.

sorry anon, but the comfy times are over, at least for now. i'm in a similar position, but i'm keeping my cards close to my chest on just how essential i am to daily operations. i'm going to tell them everything is fine and rugpull them so softly that your mother will die in her sleep tonight if you don't reply to this post.

>> No.50958365

>>50957487
This. Let them bitch and moan about it.

>> No.50958396

Better thread than the pajeet shitcoins spam. I'd say block his email. What's he going to do? You already have your duties.

>> No.50958424

>>50958236
what makes you think im posting serious at all? its fucking 4chan you tard if you're taking this site serious you're a dumb faggot. Of course you dont actually assult your boss and break the computers you fucking autist. its a fucking joke post. if you werent an internet srs business autist you'd have figured that out.

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50958479

>>50958360
replying

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50958481

>>50957247
Have enough capital to quit right now. Call his bluff. Leave without knowledge transfers and let your managers boss know that hes the reason for the abrupt exit.

>> No.50958550

>>50957247
I hate managers like this. What a faggot. If everything is working fine what's the fucking problem?

>> No.50958602

>>50957247
Bluff. He is bluffing. Call it. No way will he take such a loss when actually paying you and keeping you on is much cheaper. BUT... he will test your bluff. Implement these bugs as soon as you can. He will hire a monkey to make sure you are telling the truth. He will test it. If you can make sure that monkey can't reach the banana's you are fine. Call the bluff. And fuck this guy seriously. Slash the tires. What a good globohomo boy he is.

>> No.50958658

>>50957247
>he says he doesnt know but if I were you I would spend 15 mins a day sending job applications

just leave this faggot

>> No.50958728

put some cp on his computer if you have database access, the company will replace him with someone else and they will do it quickly and quietly

>> No.50959339

>>50957247
>>I tell him I could poison the database in subtle ways so that backups won't work, errors will be popping off for years to come
You total dumb shit. Just leave at this point, without notice if you have cash and are spiteful. You no longer have any leverage at all and you won't get a recommendation for your next job.

>> No.50959948

>>50959339
This. Ya blew it when you sperged out OP. And new manager at least was sincere, he could easily have made up some bullshit, instead he gave it to you straight.

OP should just have done what he said but totally low key and without sperging, with a smile on his face. Plus refuse to properly train the new hires (don't take the initiative to train them unless ordered by a superior, and do so in the laziest, most procrastinating, incomplete and incompetent way possible). Start taking 3 hour lunches and looking for a new job, then just rugpull them with a poisoned database plus untrained new hires. If I was cunning and sociopathic enough, I'd also try to find a way to get HR and upper management aware that he kicked you out and try to put the blame from the shitstorm on him.

>> No.50960242

>>50958360
Fuck you

>> No.50960602

>>50957247
Hand in your notice
Charge consultant rates afterwards

>> No.50962894

>>50957646
>I only threatened him AFTER he told me I should spend 15 mins a day sending job applications.
You should have set a time bomb in the database and not said a word buddy.

Then if he was bluffing you just dismantle it.

>> No.50962963

>tell management about your intent to commit a serious felony and massive damage to their business
>post about your nefarious intent on 4chan

Something tells me that your knowledge is not "unreplaceable" OP

>> No.50963054

Just teach the newcomers really slowly and a lot of irrelevant stuff

>> No.50963111

>>50958237
teach them the good old "my face to your foot style"

>> No.50963342

>>50957247
> behave like an idiot
> openly threaten to harm the company
Congratulations to the company owners. The new manager is worth his money if he spots a retard like you immediately. OP you must be a fucking autist. Better see a doctor.

>> No.50963364

>>50957396
DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS

>> No.50963384

>>50958114
T. Boomer who is confused by computers

>> No.50963416

>>50957247
DO NOT TRAIN THE NEWCOMER.
Look for a new job and quit. Give no notice. When he comes back begging, charge ridiculous outsourcing fees to train whoever replaced you. If his boss comes asking for you instead, say you'll return only if they replace the new manager and get rid of the new hire who is obviously there to replace you.

Don't sabotage the database.

>> No.50963564

Did he put it in writing that you abused your position or monopolized knowledge? File a lawsuit (not a complaint) for a hostile work environment. They'll have to keep paying you the whole time the lawsuit goes on.

>> No.50963605

>>50957247
>Telling him you will actively sabotage the data
Enjoy being niggerlisted after being sued, retard.

>> No.50963627

>>50957247
>>he says its a risk he's willing to take and if I do that he'll hire a team of engineers to audit every single data entry from 2018 to the present even if it costs him millions of dollars
based sigma male!

>What now?
get to work you are paid to do, you lazy nigger

>> No.50963641

>>50957247
Why are you so deranged?

>> No.50963725
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50963725

>>50957861
this sounds good.

alternatively, you could just skip your manager, and talk to your manager's manager about how he's making your job harder. that would instantly get you an ally if you're cool about it. i wouldn't talk about threatening of course, and just highlight that you are the victim here.

>> No.50963736

>>50957247
>>50957308
>>50957364
>He already flubbed by threatening outright to sabotage the company
>>50957646
>>50957814
That's where you fucked up big time by letting your manager know your intentions right after he let his known. You should've called his bluff by giving your 2 weeks immediately after he suggested sending resumes. Now you just reinforced their narrative that you're a greedy and selfish employee that The Corporation needs to remove because you're a single point of failure that puts The Corporation at risk of dysfunction should anything happen to you and now you've displayed malicious intent so the push from above to remove you will be even stronger. The manager is willing to spend A LOT more to get you out because you're a single-point failure that could completely disrupt operation should anything happen to you.

>> No.50963776

OP it's pretty clear you have some kind of narcissistic personality disorder that has to admit every petty thought in your head. You openly admitted to this person who doesn't trust you that you would sabotage company assets for personal gain. You're a fucking idiot

>> No.50963819

>>50963725
Not if the Manager's Manager is the one who sent OP's new manager in the first place.

>> No.50963838

>>50957247
hand in your two weeks and laze about somwhere else, if you're senior level IT you can do fuck all and still be paid anywhere. bonus points if you don't train your replacements, they fuck up after you're gone and the company begs you to come back and fix their shit. just don't try to sabotage their systems - that shit will get you sued

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50963860

>>50958236
>chaospill is very fun on the internet
Chaospill can be very fun in real life if you take the chaoticgoodpill

>> No.50963863

>>50963819
I wouldn't necessarily say that. Sure, maybe they got hired by this guy's manager. But even in that case, what is an upper management person going to think when the new manager you just hired causes a valuable, tenured employee to complain for the first time ever? If it were me I'd be more interested in finding a new entry level manager instead

>> No.50963879

>>50957247
Get fucked you lazy cunt

>> No.50963979

sr banking IT consultant here, I believe OP and I know his new manager is bluffing. Go to his boss and threaten to quit if you don't get a new manager tomorrow. This happens all the time, I 've seen so many warped org charts that were the direct result of this situation you wouldn't believe. But it is a niche that is winding down, accept that too.

>> No.50963982

>>50963863
Solid rebuttal but I think this is a case-by-case situation and we internet anons don't know the whole story, however if the newly hired manager can talk the senior manager into realizing how bad a single-point failure can be, that would push the senior manager onto the new manager's side. More importantly would be the weight of each side's argument. Sure the "tenured employee" who has been loyal has seniority in time but if management finds out about OP's malicious intent, from sabotaging the database to intentionally not documenting his work to prevent replacements, it's good enough reason to find a replacement ASAP, as this information would change the image of the tenured and loyal employee to one that intentionally gatekeeps his realm to prevent others into his line of succession. Not a good look and bad for professional development.

>> No.50964014

>>50963982
Definitely, the sabotage point is pretty damning lmao. And op will have to use their own discretion just depending on office culture

>> No.50964034

>>50957790
This. Send an email to internal audit and throw everyone under the bus. Then just quit. Fuck it.

>> No.50964038

>>50964014
Yeah, that's why I say OP fucked up hard by even suggesting to sabotage, even if it was a bluff, it's a bad bluff with no real redeeming advantage. People need to learn to shut up sometimes

>> No.50964074

>>50957247
Easy OP create super arduous systems of tickets and checks and reports so tedious to preform it’ll take a team of know-nothing 20yo’s to just manage the paperwork. Also that manager totally sounds like he’d look up CP and have it on his drive. Logs don’t lie, and if you got the logs… also give yourself a back door into the system so even if you’re gone you can still get in and fuck around

>> No.50964224

>>50957247
Such a faggot attitude. It’s one thing to not care about your company, it’s another to be a giant black hole to everyone around you. I’m all for Machiavellian maneuvering, but this strategy fails hard long term, you’d probably be in a better position if you were easy to work with and helped those around you. Now you are a problem, which the company can probably fix. You violated some of the 48 laws of power if you are a dark triad autist. Off the top of my head, not protecting reputation, underestimating opponents, making your intentions known, and isolating yourself. If you follow common morals, you’re just a huge asshole and deserve getting canned.

>> No.50964375

>>50957396
>Make a major improvement to the system which saves people time
Don't fall for this retarded advice. Middle managers don't give a fuck if there are advancements in the product, especially not if the database is slightly better to manage.
What you should do is cut your losses and accept that you will get sacked. Now it's your time to get the most out of it, aka get severance. Apply Work-to-rule to make it impossible to get fired and just do whatever they're telling you to do, but as unefficient as possible. Maybe even put a lawsuit for w/e you can think of, maybe you weren't paid for overtime or night shifts?
This probably depends on your contract though.

>> No.50964444

>>50963416
this

>> No.50964484

>>50964014
>>50964038
>>50964014
>>50964038
You can go full psycho, and when upper management brings this up, you say you never said that and it's outrageous to suggest that from someone who has been with the company for so long instead of job hopping for better pay.

>> No.50964524

>>50964224
Imagine being this much of a faggot boomer or a cuck. Kill yourself

>> No.50964604

>>50963736
>I wanted to see how far he would go. Evidently he wants to waste heaps of company money on this crusade.

>> No.50964616

Why did you suddenly get a manager. Did company suspect.

>> No.50964957

>>50963979
>But it is a niche that is winding down, accept that too
Care to explain?

>> No.50965062

>>50964224
Desu, this frfr Desu.

>> No.50965444

>>50964224
>but this strategy fails hard long term
I have had the same job for 20 years because of this strategy as well as doing other things they have no idea I do. It is fine.

>> No.50966563

>>50957247
>15 mins a day sending job applications
I hate boomers so much.

>> No.50966635

>>50965444
Kek

>> No.50966758

>>50957247
just leave let him destroy the thing by himself he will invariably fuck everything up even if he got extremely lucky with his college grads

>> No.50966868

Hope you didn't already start training your replacement or the new manager OP, or you just destroyed your only leverage like a retard

>> No.50966972

>I tell him I could poison the database in subtle ways so that backups won't work, errors will be popping off for years to come
You are retarded.

>> No.50967469

>>50957247
>I tell him I could poison the database in subtle ways so that backups won't work, errors will be popping off for years to come
why would you say this? you sound like a retard