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>Highest return financial tools at the lowest relative risk

GO

>> No.509265

>>509262
Morphine.

>> No.509267

Well that is the goal.
If you are happy with around 10% then go S&P. You want higher then you need more risk.

>> No.509274

>>509267
OP here, looking for less traditional advice. Also I would argue that S&P is in a bubble and is higher risk with lower upside in the immediate future

>> No.509275
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509275

>>509262

>> No.509277

>>509274
what do you want /biz/ to give you as advice?

top secret way to invest money and get 300% quarterly return?

>> No.509279

>>509274
Go for high-yielding stocks. 10% or higher dividend, minimum. It's practically a money printer. I also like Greek bonds, very undervalued.

>> No.509282

>>509267

10% is phenomenal and cannot be expected from the S&P over any significant period of time.

>> No.509285

>>509274
>I would argue that S&P is in a bubble
Define why you think S&P is in a bubble. Now considering it represents the meat of the economy I assume you mean the entire market is in a bubble.

>> No.509286

>>509262
>implying risk =/= return

>> No.509287

>>509282
>10% is phenomenal and cannot be expected from the S&P over any significant period of time.
Except that is basically what it has done.

>> No.509289

>>509277
Just figured there is a chance of finding a diamond in a pile of shit. Not going to invest on a post here alone, just looking for ideas to explore that I haven't considered.

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>>509282
>>509287

The S&P 500 index has achieved a 10.4% CAGR since its 1970 inception.

>> No.509301

>>509286
>implying all risk is equal
Two investors looking at the same investment with the same pile of cash. One knows something critical that the other doesn't.

>> No.509308

>>509289
Biotechs broski. Lots of risk but god damn you're not going to beat those returns, and healthcare is a $2.7 trillion part of the economy... and more baby boomers retire, people live longer, need drugs to keep them afloat, are willing to blow their life fortune on the aforementioned, etc.

Think: There's only so good of a food that will get people to increase consumption. Only so much gizmos people will desire, in general (TV, cell phone, tablet (tablets are eating a big part of the laptop market, for example)). So much car.

Healthcare? If you can cure AIDS, I damn assure you someone will throw 6 figures at you, seeing how they're already paying tens of thousands a year for pills they'll have to take their whole life. Gilead's charging $90,000 for a Hepatitis C cure and health insurers are paying... 3 million Americans with Hep C.. kind of a big market.

TL;DR Don't chase the leader in discount folding lawnchairs if you want to stack money.

>> No.509319

>>509262
Warren Buffet

He always pick the best stock with the best return/low risk ratio to invest in based on deep research.

>> No.509328

>>509262

The financial instrument that offers the highest return per unit of risk is just short-mid term bonds- long-run Sharpe ratios of around 1.

Assuming you mean the the least-risky high returning asset, probably a healthcare fund like SHSAX or VGHCX. I'd avoid the more speculative biotechs though.

>> No.509772

>>509287
the bernanke put is NOT the normal function of the market, nor is the wave of global industrialism through late 1930's to mid 1960s.

Growth has averaged out to be much less, sub 4% yearly since then. The current market manipulations/eurphoria cannot last

>> No.509830

>>509301
>implying knowledge impacts actual risk and not simply your evaluation of it.

Two guys sitting on a pile of cash, one knows something the other doesn't. Both buy the same asset. Who took on more risk?

>> No.509951

>>509319
There was an article I read about this. Basically, the point is that, because Buffet is such a financial force, he's able to broker deals on massive scale and make money on something that normal people would lose money on.

So, basically, just buying what Buffet does is not the best move since he essentially "cuts corners"

>> No.510783

>>509772
>sub 4% yearly since then.
It's actually more like 6-7% yearly.

>> No.510847

>>510783
Dividends included you are correct.

>> No.510871

>>509262
Rental properties. Sock away half of your rents for future repairs. Pay 8% of the rents to a property manager to not have to dick around with it.

Passive income + value growth

>> No.511182

>>509262

PND.

Invest 10 shekels

Make hundreds or thousands when the train leaves

>> No.511185

>>511182
Second for PND

it's high risk, but that seems to be what you're asking for

>> No.511188

sell pizza.
shit is dirt cheap to make and the profit margin is like 80% on each pizza.

BAM I just made you rich. now send me your gf's nudes

>> No.511201

>Hey guise, I want lots of money quickly with no risk, what should I invest in?

This is a surefire way to get the attention of anyone running a ponzi scheme, because that's the kind of return that they peddle.

>> No.511224

>>510871
Seconded

>> No.511309

>>510871
how do i get enough money to get a property

>> No.511345

>>511309
get a job

>> No.511456

>>511345
Seconded - you'll need to show W2 income for your mortgage

>> No.511501

>>509262
>Highest return financial tools at the lowest relative risk
Get a job.

>> No.511520

My CPA study-guide says Risks and Return are inversely related. Is this true? Does risk have to go up for a better return.

>> No.511526

>>511520
Probably. But I think a lot of people misinterpret what "risk" actually means.

What it does NOT mean is either you win big or lose every single cent. Often, what it represents is "high-beta" investments, with some loss but also proportionally bigger gains.

I'm in real estate and, when I say that, some people say "Ooo, risky!". But, in reality, what that actually means is not that I'm in danger of foreclosure at every minute. It's just that I have a possibility of, say, a longer vacancy than usual. Sure, it's irritating, but not super-destructive, especially when taken over the longer term.

>> No.511577

>>511520
Does it have to? No.

But for the average "working class" investor it will.

For the large institutions, fuck no

>> No.511579
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511579

>>509262
SILVER

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>>511579
Is it time to shill silver today? With it being up and down and all around unstable lately I guess it's time to shill silver.