/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.50712637]

>DUDE JUST WAGESLAVE 60 HOURS PER WEEK FOR 50 YEARS WITHOUT FAMILY, GIRLFRIEND, DECENT HOUSE, NON-INSECT MEAT AND ANY MEANING WHATSOVER
why is modern society like this? Is it sustainable?

[Anonymous No.50712661]

>>50712637
>60 hours
>rookie numbers
how about 100

[Anonymous No.50712674]

>>50712637
This is why I feel attracted to the idea of accelerationism. People will just keep working more and getting less until they stop staring at screens and start revolting in some way that's not totally ineffectual.

[Anonymous No.50712681]

>>50712637
niggers are satans minions and you cannot change my mind of this fact. They are slaves.

[Anonymous No.50712728]

>>50712681
Average 4channel user

[Anonymous No.50712746]

>>50712728
nigger

[Anonymous No.50712775]

You are either a dumbfuck if you wageSLAVE for 50 years, or comfortable being a salaryman.

Hell, after 10 years in any industry you should move up to at least manager level unless you're a complete retard

[Anonymous No.50712862]

>>50712775
Im a manager and i earn £13 per hour. This is above the median in England.

Im struggling to hold my mental health together

[Anonymous No.50712938]

>>50712637
>be me
>get job skills
>get good paying job with work/life balance
>marry dream qtπ
>buy her family home
>have three kids
>she's a great mom and stay at home wife
>she's frugal so we can save and invest
>she keeps it tight and we frequently have sex
>refinance during pandemic to once in a lifetime low rate of 2.25%
>pay off mortgage and sell family home when kids are grown
>downsize to dream house for two and retire in my 50s
Feels good man

[Anonymous No.50712959]

>>50712674
you won't do shit cuck

[Anonymous No.50712978]

It all ends in tears

[Anonymous No.50712992]

>>50712637
I work around 10 hours per week and make £135,000. Had a girlfriend, almost married her then she left me. I’m still miserable, there is no solace, the only way to enjoy the modern world is drugs alcohol and meaningless sex

[Anonymous No.50713012]

>>50712862

Unless the median in england struggles to hold their mental health together, it sure sounds like a big you problem.

[Anonymous No.50713141]

>>50712637
You should be asking who designed the system not if it's sustainable.

[Anonymous No.50713197]

>>50713012
Yes, mental health issues are very common here. I hope you have a day where no one tries to shoot you in your fat head. I hope that doesnt happen

[Anonymous No.50713207]

>>50712992
>the only way to enjoy the modern world is drugs alcohol and meaningless sex

Lol

[Anonymous No.50713253]

>>50713141
No one, it just happens through natural human greed, and fixing it requires artificial effort and planning.

[Anonymous No.50713366]

>>50712637
Bros, join #chadnet on rizon.net if you're based. WAGMI

[Anonymous No.50713499]

read Wealth of Nations. Adam Smith knew back in the 1800's that a stagnant economy leads wages to go to bare subsistence level. This has been known since the beginning of economics.

[Anonymous No.50713521]

>>50712637
>why is modern society like this?
because somebody has to pay for single moms, niggers and neets and that somebody is you

[Anonymous No.50713526]

>>50712674
>accelerationism
doesn't work
it gradually gets worse until we're in north korea

[Anonymous No.50713552]

>>50713197

You're telling me you earn above the median, but live in an area where you on a daily basis are afraid to get randomly shot in the head.

Why the fuck would you lie on an anonymous board?

[Anonymous No.50713618]

>insect meat is bad because... it just is ok??

[Anonymous No.50713649]

>>50712938
a man with a plan YGMI

[Anonymous No.50713695]

>>50712938
>no khazar milker robot waifu.
NGMI

[Anonymous No.50713713]

>>50712637
too many parasitic middle men. government, jews/profiteers, central banks, grifters, etc. ask yourself why we improve efficiency and productivity every year but somehow we're waging harder than ever.

[Anonymous No.50713755]

>>50712938
Everyone’s got a plan until they get punched in the mouth. Get ready to be cucked at a moment’s notice

[Anonymous No.50713759]

>>50713713
Because businesses eat your excess labor production and turn it into profit. It’s a feature brother.

Every business at it’s core is someone paying someone to make or do something and taking that thing and selling it to someone else for more. The owner’s whole job is to short you as much as possible because that’s how he generates profit.

[Anonymous No.50713781]

>>50713759
agreed

[Anonymous No.50713785]

There are plenty of things you can do with meaning. That’s up to you to figure out for yourself.

[Anonymous No.50713810]

Why is everyone in the modern world miserable? Poor, middle class, rich. Is there some archon species that feeds of human misery? Or is everyone just a whiny cunt

[Anonymous No.50713891]

>>50712637
>Is it sustainable?
Yes, I am afraid it is. That is how the majority of humans have lived throughout the majority history, and they still do so in most places outside of North America and Western Europe. We're only seeing a problem with it due to the relative opulence our societies were recently afforded due to the historically abnormal freedom and relatively even wealth distribution of western political systems. Those systems are now rapidly becoming corrupted and dying, causing society to revert to the historical mean of a two-tiered hierarchy. Extreme "haves" and extreme "have-nots." Patricians and plebians. Lords and peasants.

[Anonymous No.50713930]

>>50712938
ive seen this post so many times im starting to think its a bot

[Anonymous No.50714013]

Working for others made sense when you were able to provide for your family, get a house and raise your children because of said jobs, while today most people work just to be able to survive the next month.

So why work then, if it's no longer possible to get a house or have a family? Why am I spending 8-10 hours per day for someone else just to pay the rent for the next month?

[Anonymous No.50714146]

>>50713713
The real answer is that wealth is generated by producing tangible goods, either through having the means of production in your cunt and supplying the world OR by invading other people and stealing their wealth to produce it for your people. England, and a lot of other firstie countries, do not do this anymore. Their economies are overwhelmingly service-based (consumption, not production), or finance (parasitic money shell game for richfags). Nothing of value is actually being produced, therefore no wealth is being generated. Everyone gradually gets poorer and the government shuffling around money in the form of socialist benefits cannot change this.

[Anonymous No.50714178]

>>50714013
>Why?
I think you answered your own question: because you want to survive and have a roof over your head. I don't like the answer either, but there it is. Having a family and children is still possible though, even in extreme poverty. You'll just have to put the children to work instead of educating them.

[Anonymous No.50714276]

>>50714146
While I'm sure it helps, I don't think you neccesarily have to invade and steal to become wealthy. Wealth can be the result of excess productivity.
Also, I agree that you certainly must have tangible goods to have real wealth. But services have value as well. The specialization and division of labor created by providing services increases productivity so that more tangible goods can be afforded.
Today, the west has certainly taken it too far towards services though. I think we've only gotten away with that this long due to our completely fake and rigged monetary and financial system.

[Anonymous No.50714411]

>>50712674
based take. it is already in effect with anti-work and tech wagies working 2h a day because (((they))) tried to churn us for 8h a day instead of 5h

[Anonymous No.50714460]

>>50714276
I was reading an article the other day where the thesis is that real wealth generation happens by 3 mechanisms

1. A new process or industry or other such innovation is developed, everyone piles on, and everyone involved with this new development makes money from top to bottom
2. Industrialization: essentially point 1 but everywhere at once, everyone makes shitloads of money and society restructures itself from the ground up due to the massive injection of capital at every level
3. Invasion. Have no land or money? Take someone else's.

If it's not one of these things, you're basically spinning a fixed supply of money around in a circle because no new wealth is being created. Eventually the supply dries up because someone wins the game and scoops it all up.

The authors were arguing that the industrial revolution represented a one-time injection of capital into the economy (on a mega-macro, multigenerational timescale) and that eventually the winners would sift themselves out from the losers and a new caste system would replace the one that industrialization smashed.

This is also hurt by the way firstie countries treat higher education as the only state-approved path to "real" jobs. Especially those with universal college education. The cost of living becomes calibrated for high-earning white collar workers. What about everyone else? Get squeezed, should have tried harder in school kiddo. But not everyone is up for that kind of work, and all the job markets become oversaturated as fuck when the state shoves literally everyone into that employment pool. All this gigantic fraction of people who inevitably wash out (like 30% youth unemployment in Euro countries for example) get absolutely fucked by the inflating CoL. Basically: not everyone can become a rocket scientist, but you still need to have something for those people to do and live comfortably.

[Anonymous No.50714480]

>>50712862
and you're not migrating because you're stupid? why not embrace the american dream and get $250k per year

[Anonymous No.50714607]

>>50714460
Yeah, I mostly agree with that thesis, at least on a per-capita basis. But I think technology etc. begets wealth because the new technology/innovation/industrialization increases productivity. Just injecting capital into something doesn't create wealth. It only creates wealth when the capital investment pays off and you get more capital out of the process than you put into it.
That's also a great point about pushing all students into college.

[Anonymous No.50714799]

>>50712992
What job? 135k in bongland is like 400k in america. Very rare to find people making this much.

[Anonymous No.50714803]

>>50714460
>>50714607
But, my original point wasn't really about the aggregate wealth of a population, but the distribution of it. I think the main cause of OP's complaint is the massive amount of wealth that is being taken from the former middle class and given to the upper class. The global central banking system, governments and the media are all working in concert to move real wealth up to the top 1%. Central banks create "reserves" out of thin air to prop up the value of the stocks and bonds held mostly by the rich, which also allows governments to borrow more currency into existence to distribute to their cronies, (see recent $280B handout to tech companies) which also creates more inflation that mostly hurts the lower and middle class, who don't hold the majority of their wealth in real assets which mostly keep up with the rate of inflation. Meanwhile the media cheers them all on, and tells the average people its all for their own good.

[Anonymous No.50714817]

>>50712674
>acceleration
Cope. You ain't doing shit but coping with le epic "non-movement movement". Change only happens when you start killing people

[Anonymous No.50714830]

>>50712674
>start revolting
What they actually start to do is move to a small city and play video games all day. Too many ways to get free entertainment today, if you have a place to live you will enjoy yourself

[Anonymous No.50714841]

>>50713618
I presume you're eating it already? Or are you just epicly owning people on the internet?

[Anonymous No.50714852]

>>50713755
This. My wife is going to cuck me and leave me and take 2/3 of my assets. Fuck her.

[Anonymous No.50715070]

Why are wagies so greedy?

[Anonymous No.50715419]

>>50712862
EUROPOORS LULLLLLL

[Anonymous No.50716994]

>>50714803
What I'm saying is that what you're feeling is basically society pricing you out of existence because the role of the wagie has been rendered unnecessary. Here in the USA, the world war generation (before the boomers even came of age) were able to buy property and support themselves on single income households quite comfortably. This was an era where the government aggressively taxed the higher earning brackets, but where did this money go? Pretty much every single social safety net in the USA, except social security, would not exist until the mid 1960s because it was all created as part of the civil rights movement. All that cash was getting dumped into the military industrial complex to establish US hegemony over the world. The average citizen was pretty much on their own, the state was not coming to help you. And yet they were living it up in comparison to us. A college degree could get paid off working summers at some bullshit job and then when you got the degree you could pretty much just walk into any job you wanted for free. You could buy a house and support a family by working in a factory somewhere. None of that is true today. What is different? Fundamentally it is because the government didn't structure society to funnel everyone into (historically extremely exclusive) white collar work as the bare minimum to be successful. Pretty much any job you could land was expected to earn enough to at least support children, even if both parents had to work. That's not how it works in the modern era where if you aren't clearing 5 figures you basically cannot afford to have kids, you have to start playing whack-a-mole with your bills and shoplift basic living necessities and shit. The minimum expectation for success has been raised so high that it's basically become 1000x easier to fail.

[Anonymous No.50717048]

>>50712674
>accelerationism
What does this actually mean? Because if you're advocating for the end of democracy and the institution of a fascist system in it's place, that won't really make anyone's lives better.

[Anonymous No.50717164]

>>50713713
aren't everyone on /biz/ profiteers?

[Anonymous No.50717501]

>>50716994
So how does this story even end? I can't imagine seeing this end in a good way, not with the way things have been going on lately.

[Anonymous No.50718081]

>>50712674
>revolting
If people were physically capable of doing that in any meaningful manner, then none of us would be in this situation. Fact of the matter is there are the ones at the top then the slaves dangled around.
>inb4 u not top
Well aware of that, I can just see this joke with no punchline for what it all is. Been going on for thousands of years and will continue to go on until a big space rock comes along to put us out of our misery. Until then just do anything you can to benefit yourself.

[Anonymous No.50718241]

>>50718081
A space rock isn’t coming
But Christ is

[Anonymous No.50718303]

>>50718241
If he is then he’s sure taking his sweet ass time.

[Anonymous No.50718350]

>>50712637
>he can’t wage slave for 80, looking for wife, save for house, raise 10 kids, put them all through college and help take care of 40 grandkids all at the same time

Anon, I…

[Anonymous No.50718377]

>>50713253
the biggest lie of the devil is that he convinced the world he does not exist

[Anonymous No.50718411]

>>50718241
> Revelation 8:10-11 - And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
> 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
>space rock not coming

Anon, I….

[Anonymous No.50718437]

>>50718411
that might also be a reference for the sun going mini nova, it should happen this century again

[Anonymous No.50718605]

>>50713207
phone fag

[Anonymous No.50718806]

>>50714178
>You'll just have to put the children to work instead of educating them
>Dude just make more drones bro lol
Again, there’s no point

[Anonymous No.50718871]

>>50713930
who needs bots when you can turn other anons into bots?
psyops are more efficient than coding

[Anonymous No.50719891]

>>50713891
I do agree it's important not to lose sight of the misery and desperation hundreds of millions of people lived their lives out in recent and more distant past.
There was a golden age for parts of humanity, now we may be facing a reversal to the old regime while burdened with new problems, the technology enabling absurd control by the few, a dissolution of family, of cultures, of nations, increasingly masturbatory, futile modes of entertaining ourselves. The only reasonable thing seems to put your hopes on breakthroughs in machine learning, biotech, electronics, somehow outrunning the decay.

[Anonymous No.50719968]

>>50712637
Society is usally like this. The last 100 years are a fluke. They became pirtates, sailed for a new continent, were serfs. People with no options usually had a smart few who found options and the society meta is always changing and shifting.

[Anonymous No.50720269]

>>50712637
This isn't a designated free speech zone goy!

[Anonymous No.50720387]

>>50718377
Religion is used to convince poor people if they slave and die for the rich they will be rewarded after they die so they don't need to call out the bullshit while alive.

If everyone had to expectation that this life is all you get then they would not be manipulated into suffering so easily.

[Anonymous No.50720455]

>>50712938
This sounds vaguely gay

[Anonymous No.50720459]

>>50712637
Delet

[Anonymous No.50720489]

>>50713810
oversocialization

[Anonymous No.50720541]

>>50718377
This image is one of the better things brought to us by the Internet.

[Anonymous No.50720705]

>>50712992
>Makes a nice amount of money for doing almost nothing
>Takes drugs, has plenty of sex

And your problem is???

[Anonymous No.50720918]

>>50712637
>why is modern society like this?
It's all about inflation, anon. If cost of living were allowed to fall (like it should in an advancing society) wagies would start to become financially independent and we'd have a labor crisis. It's gotta stay just above what wagies can afford so they keep their focus on politics and instagram without realizing the scam they're in. That's why fiat must remain and decentralized currencies should remain as they are now: A tool for those of us who know.

[Anonymous No.50720919]

>>50712637
>VOLUNTARY EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT IS SLAVERY BECAUSE... IT JUST IS, OKAY???
Nobody is forcing you to work.

[Anonymous No.50720958]

>>50720919
Are you fucking joking this isn’t even bait you’re just being a dumb faggot and you need to go back

[Anonymous No.50720988]

>>50712938
awful story

>be me
>fail at everything
>still deive Porsche, got 19yr old model gf
>no annoying kids

living the dream

[Anonymous No.50721415]

>>50720958
Who forced you to sign an employment agreement? Tell us.

[Anonymous No.50721582]

>>50720919
>just build your own civilization

[Anonymous No.50722011]

all I wanted was a fucking house of my own, literally nothing else just my own space
but I'm gonna be stuck in this shared house with roommates I fucking hate and no privacy for years to come no matter how many hours I work

[Anonymous No.50723216]

>>50721582
>non sequitur
Capitalism is voluntary.

[Anonymous No.50723584]

>imagine working and keeping the system alive that enslaves you
most humans are insects
Crypto Neet 1337

[Anonymous No.50723646]

I know. I want out so badly. I can't take another daily scrum. I turn off my mic and scream. I fap with the camera off onto coworkers faces. I'm going insane.

[Anonymous No.50723785]

>>50722011
lmao just buy gns before it hits 2$

[Anonymous No.50723822]

the problem with wage slaving is greed
You dont need 100k a year to be happy

I only make like $2k from staking ETH coins and BitDAO tokens. Its not that much especially with all the inflation going on but its more than enough to support my lazy coom lifestyle

[Anonymous No.50724000]

Vinu kept me off the waggie for a little bit and I hope it keeps performing well so I can stay away for longer. I know all good things must come to an end but god damn bros I'm fucking afraid

[Anonymous No.50724276]

>>50712637
If you can't find a wife and a start family, then it is your duty to do everything in your power to degrade society further. Stop working, collect welfare and food stamps, steal, manufacture and sell drugs, anything and everything to help push clownworld over the cliff. Society unironically owes you a loyal wife. The arrangent that made civilization possible is that all men, not just alphas, are guaranteed sex in exchange for their productivity. No sex, no work, get it? If you can't find a wife and continue to work, you are directly supporting a system that actively denies you of your birthright