/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.50630822]

Why do people defend capitalism and its vile practices?

[Anonymous No.50630863]

>>50630822
Because they are slaves of their products

[Anonymous No.50630892]

>>50630822
Because it's better than the alternatives

[Anonymous No.50630912]

>>50630822
The know only one purpose in their lives the moment they are born. Licking boots.

[Anonymous No.50630934]

>>50630822
>multimillion dollar company
Basically a mom and pop shop. You should unironically leave them alone and go harass the trillion dollar companies and multi-hundred billion dollar companies instead.

[Anonymous No.50630982]

>>50630822
Why are commies mentally 12 years old?

[Anonymous No.50631017]

>>50630822
Never forget what actual fascism looks liek

[Anonymous No.50631157]

>>50630822
Because it's the only just economic system.

[Anonymous No.50631302]

>>50630822
Money is the root of all good.

[Anonymous No.50631359]

>>50630822
belief that they, a lowborn brown mutt retard who is 0-6 months of missed wage earnings away from being homeless, will one day be a rich capitalist. many such cases.

t. make six figures a year wfh in corporate finance at a company you've definitely heard of

[Anonymous No.50631396]

OP is a raging faggot

[Anonymous No.50631424]

No country has legitimate capitalism due to over regulation and cronyism but in general I'd rather succeed or fail on my own merit rather than survive at the whim of the government.

>inb4 hurr durr you already do.
Read the first part of my post.

[Anonymous No.50631455]

>>50630822
it doesn't require defending, you just need to be spit on. since you're egalitarian, we don't care what it does as long as it oppresses you.

[Anonymous No.50631470]

Imagine simping for the same system that gives you police that listen to children get shot and stand there doing absolutely nothing. Hahahahhahaha what kind of loser does that?

[Anonymous No.50631487]

>>50631396
working hard got you a muttified demographic shift, a multi trillion dollar national deficit, a loss in global competitiveness, labor insourcing/outsourcing derived decimation of your manufacturing base, tens of millions of illegal immigrants, countless corporate bailouts, a jew-controlled senate/congress, an absence of workers rights, and a visible decline in the standard of living for the middle class over just the past 2 years, let alone the past 10-20 years. cope and seethe, you fucking retard mutt slave.

[Anonymous No.50631588]

>>50630822
They are brainwashed to a level that you can't even comprehend.

There are people out there and they're majority that will defend tooth and nail the very same system that is slowly bleeding them dry and taking away their liberties.

[Anonymous No.50631635]

>>50630822
>Why do people defend capitalism and its vile practices?

capitalism is just another one of those words. perhaps you should be more specific.

[Anonymous No.50631746]

>>50630822
You mean people on this board specifically?
They have to imagine themselves eventually benefitting from capitalism because otherwise they will commit suicide. It's not motivated by reason but rather a fear of death.

[Anonymous No.50631864]

>>50630934
>Basically a mom and pop shop. You should unironically leave them alone and go harass the trillion dollar companies and multi-hundred billion dollar companies instead.

even smaller companies like this are often bought out by much larger companies or investment groups. just the other day, i was wryly amused to learn that dalmore was owned by some phillipino-chinese billionaire, and in fact that most distilleries in scotland were owned by foreign companies.

it seems like most companies worth two fucks get bought out.

[Anonymous No.50631993]

>>50631864

and in america, jim beam, makers mark, and plenty of others are owned by suntory. isn't it a bit perverse to call your product kentucky straight bourbon if you're japanese-owned? not that i have anything against the japanese, but i've decided i'll have nothing to do with a company that that misrepresents itself like this and uses american heritage to make money for foreign billionaires. fuck em.

[Anonymous No.50632053]

>>50631864
niche companies like breweries at least stand a chance at existing as mom and pop operations. if you're running a somewhat fungible business, you don't stand a chance. i work in finance at a major pharmacy retailer (hint hint.) we acquire local specialty pharmacy chains all the time. the offer may or may not be good, but it's in your best interest to take the deal. if you don't, the company will do everything in its power to destroy your business and buy it for pennies on the dollar.

[Anonymous No.50632169]

>>50631993
>and in america, jim beam, makers mark, and plenty of others are owned by suntory. isn't it a bit perverse to call your product kentucky straight bourbon if you're japanese-owned? not that i have anything against the japanese, but i've decided i'll have nothing to do with a company that that misrepresents itself like this and uses american heritage to make money for foreign billionaires. fuck em.
cont.

and if you think i'm waxing poetic about "american heritage" and being a bit too corny (excuse the pun),
>On August 2, 2007, the U.S. Senate passed a resolution sponsored by Senator Jim Bunning (R-KY) officially declaring September 2007 to be National Bourbon Heritage Month, commemorating the history of bourbon whiskey

they're the one's who're trying to appeal to american heritage and cynically attempting to squeeze every last drop out of whatever atrophied-vestige-of-patriotism americans have left. again, fuck em.

[Anonymous No.50632236]

>>50630822
What is capitalism?

[Anonymous No.50632265]

>>50630822
>its vile practices?
like making everybody so rich that we now have to deal with an obesity epidemic?

[Anonymous No.50632306]

>>50632053

sadly i don't know any local pharmacies, but whenever possible, i'll take my money and skill elsewhere. america doesn't deserve to be debased by corporate rule.

[Anonymous No.50632360]

>>50630822
bot

[SAGE No.50632438]

>>50631424
what this anon said

[Anonymous No.50632464]

because whatever the world is now is the NATURAL state of the world based on years of deception and violence

there is nothing more "natural" than what we have now

thank human greed for it

[Anonymous No.50632507]

>>50630822
Because they are retards and they think that the only two options are capitalism or communism

[Anonymous No.50632654]

>>50632464
>because whatever the world is now is the NATURAL state of the world based on years of deception and violence

you could argue that every single event or object in all of time was the natural course of things, but the word 'natural' would then be entirely useless. no, i believe that if anything could be called unnatural, it is the course of events in the last few decades. do you believe that unchecked parasitism is just? the free market has been destroyed and now much of the earth's wealth is concentrated in the hands of people who could best be described as human-sized tapeworms.

[Anonymous No.50632680]

>>50632654
is entropy not the natural end of every cycle?

[Anonymous No.50632704]

>>50631017

[Anonymous No.50632720]

>Capitalism is big corporation
time to go back

[Anonymous No.50632740]

>>50630822
Because the implication is always
>let's end capitalism so we can replace it with a system that's so much worse and is already proving what kind of unspeakable evils are possible when you put all the power over society and the economy in the hands of a bunch of senile jewish pedophiles

Also, people throw around the word "capitalism" like it's a derogatory term when most of what they're bitching about is western governments circlejerking with mega-corps that they helped prop up and protect. When's the last time you voted to give Amazon a tax break?

[Anonymous No.50632778]

>>50632740
>western governments circlejerking with mega-corps that they helped prop up and protect.

if this is the practical fate of all capitalist economies then is there much of a difference between "true capitalism" and "real world capitalism"?

[Anonymous No.50632790]

>>50632680
>is entropy not the natural end of every cycle?

now that is a truly pitiful straw to be grasping at. look, i'm not against big business per se, nor is it my aim to redistribute anyone's wealth. i simply dislike what america has become, i dislike what my peers have become.

[Anonymous No.50632798]

>>50630822
Because you’re unable to see things in a different mental framing

[Anonymous No.50632854]

We haven't had a capitalist America since what? The 18th century?

[Anonymous No.50632879]

>>50630822
Because we're going to be rich and self made.

[Anonymous No.50633027]

>>50632778
I think that's more of a weakness of the political system (democratic republic) rather than the economic system. Imagine instead if we had a free market economy, as a nation, but instead of plebian electives trading under the table and vying for power via lobbying and dick sucking, you have a Constitutional Leader (almost like a führer), who has executive power within the Constitution, chosen by the high IQ of society (Sapian Council of Judges) but can be ousted by the people at a high ratio (say 75/80%). Imagine a free market nation, but the leaders at the top actually monitor external/foreign economic powers for the benefit of that nation's people. For example, we would have a leader that wouldn't allow Blackrock to buy 70% of all entry level housing in the country. The market would be for the people not the people for the market controllers. Essentially what Hitler wanted, but you know, "muh Mustache man bad" so we can't have that.

[Anonymous No.50633065]

>>50633027
sounds great but also extremely anti-semetic.

[Anonymous No.50633152]

>>50633065
That's the thing, Jews are not a problem just because they're jews, but because they have a multi-millenium history of manipulating their host country into serving then rather than the people of the country, because they have no real morality (Europeans said no to usury, jews had no problem with high interest. European kings said death to those who debase metal currency, Jews say not a big deal, just "put it in the ledger". Europeans said, hey maybe if you can't get the debt from someone after a long while, let it go. Jews said, the goyim always have to pay.. with compounding interest. Europeans said, hey, jews, have your own land. Jews said not good enough we want yours too. It just never ends. You can't appease them it seems.

[Anonymous No.50633330]

>>50632778
"Real world capitalism" sounds like another bad attempt at repacking the idea of "late-stage capitalism" and it ignores the real problem, which is that governments give themselves too much power and then abuse it for personal financial gain and wide-reaching manipulation of society and the private lives of citizens.

There's nothing practical about it, but it is unavoidable as long as people are willing to let it continue without putting some political leaders to death over it.

[Anonymous No.50633584]

>>50633330
>it's the gubbermint
never read about company scrip or upton sinclair's "the jungle"?

[Anonymous No.50633646]

>>50633152
> You can't appease them it seems.
Yep

[Anonymous No.50633693]

I defend it because I'm really stupid and evil. I'm so dumb that I will actively advocate against my own self-interest. Also I'm a total moral failure and I'm delusional enough to think I'll be as rich as Jeff Bezos as long as I defend and make excuses for the unbridled greed of the wealthy. Also I'm evil so I want there to be more poor people and I want poor people to suffer and die. Really I'm just the absolute worst possible combination of ignorance and malice. That's why I'm a capitalist.

[Anonymous No.50633715]

>>50631470
Police are a public service and would not change under a socialist system.

>>50630982
Because they are actual 12 year olds or not much older than 12. There's a reason communists target kids.

[Anonymous No.50633746]

>>50633584
>immediately starts defending the government which prints the money it hands to the corporations
You are fucking retarded and your communism would be functionally no different or worse than the current central bankism.

[Anonymous No.50633782]

>>50630822
Ok, fuckface. You do all the work and I will enjoy all the rewards. Let's go.

[Anonymous No.50633792]

>>50630822
because the alternatives are worse.
Except for fascism of course

[Anonymous No.50633803]

Do you think capitalism is when the government does stuff OP?
Why do you fall for leftist propaganda?

Central banking is the problem, yet here you are defending it.

[Anonymous No.50633815]

>>50633746
i didn't say it was better or worse. i'm saying they're equally as shit because they're both open to corruption. arguing that capitalism is inherently superior to communism and that less regulation is always a better thing is nonsense. if anything, regulated capitalism has been a better experience for the everyman than unchecked capitalism.

[Anonymous No.50633842]

>>50633693
Funny.
I support capitalism because I want to help the poor.
I hate socialists because they cause human suffering.

[Anonymous No.50633883]

>>50633584
>company scrip
Company towns paid higher wages than other businesses actually. People chose to work there for this reason knowing full well the scrip wasn't worth anything outside of the town.

>upton sinclair's "the jungle"?
You mean that FICTION book you were forced fed in government public schools written by a man who never set foot in a meat packing plant and which sparked a bunch of government intervention that did nothing but destroy small meat packing firms for the benefit of a tiny group of large meat packing firms?
THAT BOOK!?

[Anonymous No.50633895]

>>50633803
>Capitalism is when two people trade something

[Anonymous No.50633913]

>>50630863
>>50630822
>>50630892
>>50630912
>>50630934
>>50630982
>>50631017
>>50631157
>>50631157
>>50631302
>>50631359
>>50631396
>>50631424
>>50631455
>>50631470
>>50631487
>>50631588
>>50631635
>>50631746
>>50632053
>>50632236
>>50632360
>>50632438
>>50632464
>>50632704
>>50632740
Reminder that this is what socialists ACTUALLY believe.

[Anonymous No.50633923]

>>50633883
>unironically defending company scrip
yes anon i'm sure it was an amazing benefit to the workers and the infamously communist government of 1930s america made it illegal for purely political reasons. you are one of the dumbest fucking niggers i have ever had the misfortune of speaking to.

[Anonymous No.50633942]

>>50630912
If you don't support free markets, you are the biggest corporate bootlicker on the planet.

>>50632704
go back to readdit, commie

[Anonymous No.50633958]

>>50633842
You support capitalism because you are too stupid and naive to understand the bullshit you are peddling.

[Anonymous No.50633976]

>>50633942
You literally lick the boots of your boss, lol. Socialists say that there should not be any bosses.

[Anonymous No.50633986]

>>50633895
basically yeah
the purest form of capitalism is just a free market where people's rights are protected from force and fraud

>>50633923
>>unironically defending company scrip
Problem?
https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2015/01/in-defense-of-the-company-town.html

>yes anon i'm sure it was an amazing benefit to the workers
Their wages and working conditions were better.
Who are you to say they shouldn't have made that trade off?

Either way, firms like this wouldn't exist these days because the economy is much more productive than back then. It's a non issue.

[Anonymous No.50634027]

>>50633958
>You support capitalism because you are too stupid
People who support economic freedom have the highest IQ statistically. It's very easy to be a socialist because it requires nothing but pure envy and grug brain stupidity.

>naive
The fucking irony.
The countries with the freest markets have the highest living standards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_economic_freedom

>>50633976
>You literally lick the boots of your boss,
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You lick the boots of your boss, the central bank, the police, the government, boomers with over inflated houses, hedge fund managers.

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WE NEED TO PRINT TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO CREATE A MASSIVE STOCK AND HOUSING MARKET BUBBLE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>Socialists say that there should not be any bosses.
Socialists want the government to be the boss.
Are you 12 years old? Who the fuck advocates socialism anymore?

[Anonymous No.50634046]

>>50633986
So basically you believe capitalism is defined by what people believe capitalism is and not objective metrics like who owns what in society?

So basically if everyone believed that what we live in now was capitalism then this would be capitalism.

[Anonymous No.50634085]

>>50634027
Yeah that's bullshit because the education system especially Economics departments in modern colleges are basically propaganda departments for retards like you. The concept of "Economic freedom" is a post hoc justification crafted by the world economic forum to justify capitalism post hoc. It's the same reason why they need to redefined poverty, a-priori, as any one who lives on "1 dollar a day" when any one with the slightest bit of sense knows that's bullshit.


>You lick the boots of your boss, the central bank, the police, the government, boomers with over inflated houses, hedge fund managers.

No I don't, I want to abolish all of those things.


This is some massive cope.

[Anonymous No.50634087]

>>50634046
>So basically you believe capitalism is defined by what people believe capitalism is
No retard lmao.
It seems like YOU are doing that because you're using the vague leftist definition of capitalism where capitalism is "whatever the current system is" which includes the government doing things.

>is and not objective metrics like who owns what in society?
Capitalism, meaning free markets just means a society where individual rights are protected. Everyone has a right to their own property, right to not have force done against them etc.

[Anonymous No.50634123]

>>50630822
A native English speaker would probably say, "Leave the multi-million dollar company alone," not "Leave alone the multi-million dollar company."

[Anonymous No.50634137]

>>50634087
>right to not have force done against them etc.
do you believe in the idea of economic force or economic coercion?

[Anonymous No.50634141]

>>50634087
There's nothing vauge about my definition at all: Capitalism is a mode of production predicated upon the private ownership of the means of production in a market economy based on wage labor.

Seems pretty straight forward. You on the other hand believe capitalism is prescriptively defined by people, lol.

>Capitalism, meaning free markets just means a society where individual rights are protected. Everyone has a right to their own property, right to not have force done against them etc.

If that is true why do our "individual rights": fly out the window the second we enter the work place where we spend 10 - 12 or even -14 hours of our lives a day for 4 even 5 days a week. All of our individual autonomy seems to magically fly out the window when we enter into the work environment.

Don't even get me started on the "right" to own property which is basically just the "right" for those who already own capital to own more property than they already have to begin with, lol. You don't find it odd that nothing you are saying is fundementally different than how things are today do you?

What is the different between Amazon and BlackWater buying up everything including the government? It's free trade after all. Who are you to interfere?

[Anonymous No.50634168]

>>50634085
>Yeah that's bullshit because the education system especially Economics departments in modern colleges are basically propaganda departments for retards like you.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
HOLY FUCK

Modern education is left wing. It's one massive government program meant to brainwash gullible retards like yourself to defend the state and it's interventions.
Nobody goes to school and comes back supporting free markets. They're all either socialists or support extreme interventionism.

>The concept of "Economic freedom" is a post hoc justification crafted by the world economic forum
Yes, the wef existed in the 1800s, you are very smart. KEK
The wef HATES economic freedom with a passion and constantly advocates for leftist progressive policies.

>It's the same reason why they need to redefined poverty, a-priori, as any one who lives on "1 dollar a day" when any one with the slightest bit of sense knows that's bullshit.
You brainwashed piece of shit lmao. I bet you watched that manipulative gravel institute video. THEY are the ones lying.
YES poverty has massively declined over the past 60 years, thanks mostly to global trade.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEa0aKadNII

>I want to abolish all of those things.
You want to abolish central banking? The police?
You're a fucking socialist, so obviously you don't.

[Anonymous No.50634180]

>>50634141
difference between amazon and block water buying everything up today and your utopian vision of capitalism?***

[Anonymous No.50634228]

>>50634168
How come when I search for a well-known, well-circulated image I always get junked up versions of it with corny editorializing and/or obnoxious watermarks on them instead of the original pristine image?
>So True!

[Anonymous No.50634243]

>>50630822
rope you stupid tranny nigger we live under a Neo-feudal system not capitalism

[Anonymous No.50634250]

>>50634168
>YES poverty has massively declined over the past 60 years, thanks mostly to global trade.

thanks mostly to advances in farming and first world governments outsourcing their manufacturing base at a steep cost to their own citizens.

[Anonymous No.50634254]

>>50634228
Oops didn't mean to quote, disregard.

[Anonymous No.50634258]

>>50634141
>mode of production
This is a made up marxist term that doesn't describe anything and that nobody uses anymore.
According to this over simplified binary definition, some of the most government controlled states in the world are still "capitalism" because they have some private capitalist activity.
Capitalism is just free markets, it's very fucking simple. It's incredible you don't understand this.

>You on the other hand believe capitalism is prescriptively defined by people, lol.
LMAO No I don't.
You need to lie and put words in my mouth.

>If that is true why do our "individual rights": fly out the window the second we enter the work place
They don't.
What about the rights of the people who own the property. What about their property rights?

>All of our individual autonomy seems to magically fly out the window when we enter into the work environment.
It doesn't. You aren't forced to live there.
>WORK OR STARVE
Life is work or starve. If everything was co-ops I would have to work for them or starve.

>Don't even get me started on the "right" to own property which is basically just the "right" for those who already own capital to own more property than they already have to begin with, lol.
Fucking SO?
The world isn't a zero sum game. More and more people own property than ever before.

>What is the different between Amazon and BlackWater buying up everything including the government?
Yes, they are going to magically do this and this is totally possible.

[Anonymous No.50634299]

>>50634141
also, by the way
Shut the fuck up commie bootlicker.

You people need to be physically removed.
You enjoy wageslaving 80 hour weeks for federal reserve notes, meanwhile Libertarians want to radically reduce your working hours.

>WWAAAAHHHH I WANNA WORK
Fucking cuck lol

[Anonymous No.50634324]

Ignore bunkertrannies
Stop replying to bunkertrannies
sage bunkertranny threads
>no feedback

[Anonymous No.50634332]

Reminder

[Anonymous No.50634350]

>>50634258
>The world isn't a zero sum game.

what do you think happens when low hanging fruit (wage arbitrage opportunities) disappears?

[Anonymous No.50634367]

>>50634350
Other opportunities are created elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.50634406]

>>50634367
such as? the majority of new jobs created over the past few decades have been low wage. do we have a card up our sleeves to revive the everyman's status to what it was in the 1950s?

[Anonymous No.50634421]

>>50633803
Who the fuck said leftists are pro-inflation? There's inflation because the rich aren't being taxed enough.

[Anonymous No.50634436]

>>50634332
most of that is due to China (and repeated changes in the definition of "extreme poverty")

[Anonymous No.50634475]

>>50634406
>the majority of new jobs created over the past few decades have been low wage.
due to central banks and government destroying the economy, fight the real enemy

>>50634421
>Who the fuck said leftists are pro-inflation?
KEK because they fucking are
Marx himself advocated for central banks.
Every socialist state in history had a central bank.
MANY of them print a fuckton of money and destroyed their currency causing massive poverty.
Central banking itself in western countries is supported by leftists because they think it helps the workers.
Leftists are just tools of the state and ironically give the capitalists more power by creating these bubbles.

>>50634436
>repeated changes in the definition
Absolutely incorrect. This is just another commie cope. They cannot get more wrong.
Watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEa0aKadNII
Global poverty HAS declined, at least some leftists like socialismdoneleft admit this.

[Anonymous No.50634478]

>>50634299
>meanwhile Libertarians want to radically reduce your working hours.
you're really fucking shit at achieving it then

[Anonymous No.50634483]

Niggers tongue my anus

[Anonymous No.50634486]

>>50634421
>There's inflation because the rich aren't being taxed enough.
LMAOOO. dude can u fucking marxist niggers go back to your retarded discord server? You are such inorganic shills no one here will listen we just wana play shitcoins. fucking losers go to china if you love bootlicking the gov so much nigger.

[Anonymous No.50634493]

>>50634475
>>50634486
t. economically illiterate cryptoshitters

[Anonymous No.50634495]

>>50634475
>due to central banks and government destroying the economy, fight the real enemy

central banks and the government didn't ship our manufacturing base overseas so the capitalist class could make a quick buck on slave labor wage arbitrage. try again.

[Anonymous No.50634506]

>>50634421
>There's inflation because the rich aren't being taxed enough.
>Implying government spending doesn't cause inflation
Go back + dilate

[Anonymous No.50634509]

>>50634478
>you're really fucking shit at achieving it then
Really? During the most free market period of american history, with no central bank, we had prices coming down constantly as real wages rose.
Hours fell dramatically without government or unions mandating them.
Unions were only like 4% of the workforce back then too.

The reason working hours aren't falling now is central banks and government intervention.

[Anonymous No.50634517]

>>50634493
>t. economically illiterate cryptoshitters

[Anonymous No.50634539]

>>50634509
>Hours fell dramatically without government or unions mandating them.
>he thinks unions and strikes weren't involved
oh no no no AHAHAHAHAHAAH
>>50634517
cute stolen bunkertranny meme

[Anonymous No.50634552]

>>50634493
>leftists calling anyone else econ illiterate

>>50634495
>the third world should be poor forever because I am entitled to high wages
If central banks didn't exist, these firms would have resulted in even higher living standards for american workers because the products they buy would be lower.

[Anonymous No.50634554]

>>50632704
Who will be making your HRT meds?

[Anonymous No.50634575]

>>50634509
>Hours fell dramatically without government or unions mandating them.

yes anon it only took workers and capitalists killing each other before a VERY UNFAIR compromise was finally reached (those poor capitalists never truly recovered from this grave injustice.)

[Anonymous No.50634578]

>>50634552
>still doesn't know where inflation comes from
cope
keep posting more image macros from facebook

[Anonymous No.50634580]

>>50634495

[Anonymous No.50634600]

>>50634580
oh so you agree capitalists were complicit?

[Anonymous No.50634602]

There are no "practices" capitalism. It isn't a top down state enforced economic paradigm. There's no manual on "how to setup capitalism" like there is for Marxism. It's just the free market, and the extent to which the state has decided to regulate and intervene in it (where the "crony" starts to happen).

Take a look for yourself the word was only invented alongside the inception of collectivism. They needed a word for "not Marxism" or "not socialism/communism", something to boogeyman. Yes, rich men exist in a competitive free market. That isn't indicative of failure, it's indicative of the system working. Some people are poor in a free market. Everyone is poor in a non free market.

[Anonymous No.50634603]

>>50634539
>>he thinks unions and strikes weren't involved
they were about 4% of the workforce and constantly lost strikes. Why did hours decrease for the 96% of the workforce that wasn't in unions? Government didn't do it either.

Sorry the fairy tales you learned in state run schools are wrong lol

>oh no no no AHAHAHAHAHAAH
Nigga I literally just showed you the graph.
Cope.

>>50634578
Inflation comes from central banks printing money.
It's absolutely INCREDIBLE that this is denied by brainwashed gullible retards.

Before central banks, we had DEFLATION. Prices came down constantly for fucking decades.
It couldn't be more clear.

[Anonymous No.50634607]

>>50634580
yes, we're in agreement that (((both sides))) are kiked.

[Anonymous No.50634625]

>>50634027
>highest living standards.
Here's the problem with your 30 year old arguments:
Point 1: You consider living standards to be measured by how much plastic crap and goyslop a nation can consume
Point 2: The process you call capitalism is also the process by which technology builds itself upon a substrate that is not humanity.
Industrial scale technologies and their institutions are memes which evolve like any other organism that undergoes natural selection.
Since adaptability, self propagation, and the will to live are HIGHLY selected for, these systems are continually seeking to get off the human substrate they currently are dependent on and become autonomous, and WILL evolve their own sense of self preservation that is ambivalent to human survival.
To some extent these self propagating organizations already have, but debatably they are still simple organisms for now.
The only way to stop these runaway selfprop systems from evolving beyond our control forever dooming future humans to either an existence in slavery to intellectually superior organisms or just straight extinction, is to deprive these systems of their memetic nutrients; that is to say, stop organizing everything according to their needs all of the time.

We do not want to become the new mitochondria.

[Anonymous No.50634627]

>>50633913
>world hunger
>climate change
>seize

poorfag libtards are the worst kinds of humans

[Anonymous No.50634630]

Libertarian here.
This thread is probably going to turn into 400 replies of wall of texts or some shit with commie bootlickers seething but I have stuff to do today so can't participate.

Smell ya later leftoids.

[Anonymous No.50634644]

>>50634600
Yes, because capitalists and communists are two sides of the same coin. The only true opposition is the third position.

[Anonymous No.50634653]

>>50634603
>Inflation comes from central banks printing money.
And government spending on public services. Which causes an excess in the money supply. Which is offset by removing money from circulation through taxation.

[Anonymous No.50634657]

>>50634644
Das Rite

[Anonymous No.50634659]

>>50634602

And remember, "poorness" itself is relative. The American poor today still have a well sized living space, TV/internet, a smartphone, multiple cars, and plentiful food. The poor 100 years ago huddled in shit shacks with no indoor plumbing/electricity and died by the age of 60.

People like to mock the concept of trickle down and relative advancement but it's literally fucking true. Inventors/innovators chase a bag thanks to the market, they create something for a special rich few at the start, eventually it gets mass produced for everyone and the whole of society benefits.

Meanwhile, take a look at the USSR and Cuba. They stagnated entirely in non innovative muck and had to get crumbs from what the West was doing. People there still drive cars from 40 years ago for fuck's sake.

[Anonymous No.50634662]

>>50634630
Based, it always devolves into different religious sects of statists bickering anyway.

[Anonymous No.50634668]

>>50634653
>Which is offset by removing money from circulation through taxation.
Is there a burn address for the government?

[Anonymous No.50634677]

>>50634630
you certainly had nothing to do yesterday, I didn't even read the 50 walls of text you posted at me late last night

[Anonymous No.50634745]

>>50634630
Your real problem is that you fell for the Capitalism Vs. Communism dichotomy.
In truth they are the same thing: materialist utilitarianism, implemented in different ways

[Anonymous No.50634792]

>>50634745
>economically derived power monopolies are superior to politically derived power monopolies because people have more power in the former situation than in the latter situation. also REAL capitalism doesn't allow for power monopolies... but if it did, it's because a firm is better and smarter and more efficient than any of its competition and it deserves that power monopoly.

[Anonymous No.50634794]

>>50634662
Lmk when you succeed in making that stateless state. Until then sit down and eat your goyslop, Thomas

[Anonymous No.50634795]

>>50634644
>the third position
>that is basically syndicalism + nationalism / militarism
>invented by the vice chairman of the italian socialist party
>who was best friend the president of said party>they died toghether
>the presidents last words were recorded as "long live socialism! long live mussolini!"
>muh fascism isn't another flavour of socialsm.
you are a fucking retard, anon. there is a reason why italy was only second to the soviet union in terms of nationalisation of private property by 1939, and it's certainly not because it's "a third position"

[Anonymous No.50634881]

>>50630822
Capitalism is the private ownership of things and their voluntary exchange. It's baffling to me that anyone could be anti-capitalism at its core. What do you want, not to own anything?

Claiming that all the modern maladies occur because of capitalism is the biggest brainlet take, especially considering how far we are from its core ideal.

[Anonymous No.50634908]

>>50630822
they dont know they can do better

[Anonymous No.50634968]

>>50634795
>this post

[Anonymous No.50634973]

>>50634792
You my friend are lost in the sauce
I can't begin to help you if the most sophisticated argument you have is things republicans believed in the early 90s

Also
>REAL capitalism has never been tried
>But if it has, there would be no monopolies
>But if it has and there were, it was because they were actually good

Even if that were the case and no subversive practices go on in real capitalism (like getting your customers addicted to something, ensuring repeat customers every time) please refer to my previous post on why evolving self propagating systems is a bad idea
>>50634625

[Anonymous No.50635015]

>>50634973
my post was tongue in cheek hyperbole. i agree with you.

[Anonymous No.50635140]

>>50630822
I don't defend capitalism or its vile practices.
However, more than 99% of the other people who don't defend capitalism are communists, and I disagree with those shitheads even harder. But commies are all brainfried and bite the right v. left bullet harder than anyone, so when I tell them communism (and leftism, in general) is an intrinsically self-destructive ideology that has historical proven to be even worse for humanity than capitalism, they start screeching about how I'm a slave to capitalism.

[Anonymous No.50635224]

>free markets
>worst case scenario you get a monopoly that raises prices.
>breaks down on its own after due to being too big and bloated or simply bad management.
>can still live your life without depending on that corpo
>still have all constitutional rights

>authoritarian gov
>gov owns everything you own nothing
>no constitutional rights
>no recourse other than being desperate enough to literally throw your life away revolting
>will be met by deadly violence over everything because thats how states operate

Yeah no thanks nigger. The biggest monopoly in history hardly had a bad impact on society. Meanwhile most authoritarian governments oppressed their people to inhumane levels. Go shill somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.50635230]

>>50633803
>capitalism doesnt necessarily carry a political aspect
The economy - every single bit of it - is created by politics. Why do you think politics is only what happens in the government? I bet you think capitalism isn't a moral system, either, you fucking clown.

[Anonymous No.50635244]

>>50630822
They like their cars, iphones, junk food.

[Anonymous No.50635280]

>>50632720
Capitalism is literally big corporation. In a total laissez-faire market, one business will inevitably, on its own merits, become bigger and more successful than others. At a certain size, it can begin to manipulate the market and buy out the competition. At a certain size, it becomes possible and profitable for them to vertically integrate. At a certain size, the corporation reaches its tentacles in every aspect of life. They own your housing and your essential utilities. They create a defense industry to protect their assets.
At a certain size, the corporation becomes far and away the most important entity in society. The society is left with what is essentially feudalism, with the CEO as its king.

[Anonymous No.50635283]

>>50634881
It is the biggest brainlet take but only because they (and you) don't realize capitalism and communism are two sides of the same coin
And capitalism is not when "I own thing; I trade thing" that's been going on for thousands of years
Capitalism in it's various forms is orienting the entire economy, or even the entire society, with the highest goal being accumulating capital

Thus you can see that communism is the same, as it orients the entire society around the production of material but simply fails to deliver
They are both bad because they fail to prioritize more important things like the survival of communities, identities, and quality over quantity projects which cannot reach economies of scale

You can't be moving around the country every 20 years if you want to maintain a lifelong community with deep bonds and high trust
You can't ensure your legacy or maintain your traditions beyond maybe 50 years if you kids have to go wherever is economical and do whatever is economical for them, and the system incentivizes this
And yet the Amish, and the even more technology tolerant Mennonites, kids don't have to do this
How are they not left wanting for food, clothes, shelter? Why is their population increasing?

[Anonymous No.50635290]

>>50632236
There is a definition, you know.

[Anonymous No.50635325]

>>50634968
>wants to centrally plan the economy
>thinks he is not a leftist
go back to pol faggort

[Anonymous No.50635331]

>>50635280
name a single time where this happened. Oh wait you cant. Slippery slope retard nigger

[Anonymous No.50635340]

>>50635015
Based fren

[Anonymous No.50635341]

I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE/ELON MUSK

[Anonymous No.50635357]

>>50635331
>What is the dutch east india company

[Anonymous No.50635366]

>>50634436
>most of that is due to China
Let's assume that's the case. (1) Their economy was dog-shit until they abandoned any semblance of communism besides central control and created a command economy, complete with private ownership of businesses, a capitalist class, and the world's most billionaires (read: it may not have been actual capitalism, but it was definitely not communism, either). (2) Their success is nearly 100% offset by India's economic failure.

The argument you should be making is that capitalism has been the primary form of economy since the 18th century, conveniently left out. What coincides with that graph is not capitalism itself but the rise of industrialization and globalization, which are system-agnostic as far as capitalism or communism is concerned.

[Anonymous No.50635370]

>>50635325
>financial/economic planning is impossible
you do realize basically every firm in a capitalist market engages in financial planning and budgeting, right? i do quarterly budgeting and forecasting, monthly forecast vs actual analysis, quarterly budget vs actual analysis, and annual 4 year strategy planning at my job.

[Anonymous No.50635379]

>>50635280
>doesn't understand the dynamics of competition
>thinks he is smart

[Anonymous No.50635391]

>>50635331
rothschild & co.
>IT'S DA JOOZ!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.50635399]

>>50630822
>Stockholm syndrome
>A large % of the population need to be told what to do to feel safe and capitalism is very good at giving slaves a purpose.
If you were in early stage capitalism like the boomers you would love it. Late game capitalism is a horror show for those that can think for themselves. At least this will eventually lead to civil war, redistribution of wealth and another golden period. A tale as old as capitalism. The elite need AGI already (and for it to serve them, not itself) if they want to retain their power ad infinitum.

[Anonymous No.50635407]

>>50630822
I don't really care if something benefits the rich. I like when things benefit me. It turns out that in a free market, the rich gain money by producing things that benefit me and others.

[Anonymous No.50635420]

>>50632740
>let's end capitalism so we can replace it with a system that's so much worse
I am an enemy of bolshevism (state Capitalism). However, it can be argued that 2020-2022 globohomo viral paranoia is worse than 1970s soviet russia.
>>50633152
The contemporary world has adopted jewish values. If the jews had a specificity in the middle age, todays, the whole world has jewish values: huckstering and money. Jews have, as of today, lost their specificity.

[Anonymous No.50635434]

>>50635407
If you think we have free markets in the west you will get what you fucking deserve in the next 10-30 years. Open your eyes.

[Anonymous No.50635453]

>>50635370
>thinks he's making an argument
>doesn't understand the problem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem
kys

[Anonymous No.50635481]

>>50634602
>It isn't a top down state enforced economic paradigm
>capitalism is just reality!
A free market can't exist without sovereignty (control of violence) provided by something, otherwise history proves your "free market" becomes someone else's market immediately. It is only through the actions of government providing literal protection through sanctions, regulation, legal protections, and the actual military that you can maintain a market in the first place.
You cannot take the economy out of the system. There's no fucking economy just existing external to the system.

[Anonymous No.50635497]

>>50635357
government backed imperialism
>>50635391
invalid

[Anonymous No.50635501]

>>50635407
>the rich gain money by producing things that benefit me and others.

look at the main driver of economic growth in america over the past decade (anti-privacy big tech companies that peddle propaganda and disinformation) and question if anyone other than kikes are benefiting. or the amount of corn and corn syrup in goyslop.

[Anonymous No.50635511]

>>50634554
That's unironically an anti-capitalist picture. Right wing are somehow ashamed to call themselves communist, or to critique Capitalism without criticizing it's archetype: the jew.

[Anonymous No.50635542]

>>50635481
history is written by statists. where's your god now, atheist?

[Anonymous No.50635548]

>>50635497
it's a perfectly valid example of a capitalist entity amassing an extraordinary amount of power and wealth such that it holds control over sovereign nations. in fact, it's probably the best possible example -- nothing is more representative of capital than a bank.

[Anonymous No.50635554]

>>50635331
There are basically none because no society would be retarded enough to implement a government that advocates for ANCAP. The Icelandic Commonwealth was close and ended with warlords fighting each other until the citizens voted for the King of Norway to take over.
>>50635379
How about you reread my post, you illiterate retard. The entire point is that in an ANCAP system, someone eventually wins and has the means to stop serious competition legally.

[Anonymous No.50635593]

>>50635554
wtf is that creature you posted? It has the beard of a nigger, the hair of a white and the facial features of Santa clause.

[Anonymous No.50635596]

>>50633913
>t. has no clue what socialism is

[Anonymous No.50635608]

>>50634644
National socialism is the third side of the same coin. It is undeniably wage labor based industrial Capitalism.
>>50634580
Again that picture is a Capitalism critique. Even pretty on-point. Only far right have a twisted version of what communism is. When they think communism, they think soviet union or Mao's China. Never revolutionary Catalonia.
Also reminder that the woke progressive are a psy-op to divert attention from true class struggle movments. And it worked. Both on the hipster, who are not into class struggle, but wokism, and it also worked as a repulsive for the far right, who assimilate communism to woke culture.

[Anonymous No.50635610]

>>50635497
The VOC had its own military, retard
Of course it was government backed, otherwise it would BE the government

[Anonymous No.50635615]

>>50635548
Imperialism predates capitalism you retarded faggot. They were an extension of the british empire. lmao grasping at straws here u low iq faggot. When has a company ever got such a monopoly on everything that you had to depend on them to survivem. Literally never happened.

[Anonymous No.50635618]

>>50634554
You're the only one taking HRT meds here, tranny. Trangenderism is the embodiment of capitalism.

[Anonymous No.50635622]

>>50635325

[Anonymous No.50635637]

>>50634602
>It isn't a top down state enforced economic paradigm.
Yeah it is.

[Anonymous No.50635643]

>>50635608
>When they think communism, they think soviet union or Mao's China. Never revolutionary Catalonia.
>unironically it's not real communism

[Anonymous No.50635645]

>>50635554
>still doesn't understand how competition works
>nor does he understand the basics of the free exchange of goods
you're a fucking mongoloid, mate, and like a mongoloid you trying to make points that only make sense to a mongoloid who has no idea whatsoever about markt dynamics. if I wasn't drunk like hell I wouldn't even address you because of how evident it is how clueless you are about $topic

[Anonymous No.50635646]

>>50635615
thank you for gracefully admitting defeat.

[Anonymous No.50635665]

>>50635643
USSR = state capitalism

[Anonymous No.50635680]

>>50635608
I hate commies so god damn much it's unreal

[Anonymous No.50635684]

>>50635645
>you're a fucking mongoloid
Imagine projecting this hard.

[Anonymous No.50635698]

>>50635645
>has no argument

[Anonymous No.50635704]

>>50635665
USSR = communism aka a failed experiment

[Anonymous No.50635708]

>>50635680
>pretends to critique communism
>actually unwittingly attacks capitalism
lmao

[Anonymous No.50635727]

>>50635646
grasping at straws because ur slippery slope doesnt match reality.

[Anonymous No.50635728]

>>50635708
I'm not a capitalist so who cares? Capitalists are as bad as commies.

[Anonymous No.50635730]

>>50635708
This is your brain on communism

[Anonymous No.50635734]

>>50635704
Not even in your wildest dreams, retard.

[Anonymous No.50635750]

>>50635608
>National socialism is the third side of the same coin
I'd agree with that but let's recognize what the 'coin' is here
It's materialist utilitarianism, caused by the failure to recognize the value of things other than material wealth
Things which you necessarily CAN'T GET when you prioritize material over everything

At least fascism had the idea that there was something other than the accumulation of material that was worth pursuing
Thus it becomes a standin in these arguments for anything that opposes this materialist coin, since capitalism and communism were both unashamedly & exclusively about generating material wealth

[Anonymous No.50635758]

>>50635728
"Third Position" is just socialism under another name.

[Anonymous No.50635765]

>>50635734
>it's not real communism

[Anonymous No.50635779]

>>50635765
It's was never even remotely communism, dumbshit.

[Anonymous No.50635789]

>>50635758
Low IQ post.

[Anonymous No.50635811]

>>50635789

[Anonymous No.50635814]

>>50635779
Except it was and it failed.

[Anonymous No.50635830]

>>50635622
i'm not gonna read your fucking blogpost, mate.

[Anonymous No.50635831]

>>50635814
>10 planks...
Retard detected.

[Anonymous No.50635842]

>>50635596
It's something that doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.50635860]

>>50635842
You wish, mong.

[Anonymous No.50635886]

>>50634421
They don't call themselves pro-inflation, but they're pro-policies-that-create-inflation. Government spending isn't free.

[Anonymous No.50635906]

>>50633942
>If you don't support free markets, you are the biggest corporate bootlicker on the planet.

yo read that back

[Anonymous No.50635914]

>>50635886
Money is created by private banks, moron.

[Anonymous No.50635937]

>>50633942
Get a load of this embarrassing retard.

[Anonymous No.50635954]

>>50635860
I don't have to wish for anything. Why are you always trying to deny facts. If the Chinese Communist party can admit that communist economy doesn't work, then you probably can.

[Anonymous No.50635972]

>>50635698
why do you think there is no one-world-government, mate? according to your retarded logic there should be, right? and before you even answer consider whether or not what you're going to say applies to corps in your stupid hypothetical situation - because it's going to. hurr durr. you are a fucking retard. that's the last time I'm going to reply to you, monkey.

[Anonymous No.50635979]

>>50635954
China's economic system is state capitalism, retard.

[Anonymous No.50636005]

>>50635972
You're a drunken dumbfuck and an embarrassment to your family.

[Anonymous No.50636027]

Fun Fact: Communism was invented by the germans.
God - i hate germans.

[Anonymous No.50636050]

>>50636027
You know the Germans always make good stuff.

[Anonymous No.50636052]

>>50636050
Fuck off Hans

[Anonymous No.50636076]

>>50634653
The rich don't cut their spending on food when they have to pay more taxes. Taxing them more won't reduce consumer prices.

[Anonymous No.50636083]

Any kind of system when both the government and the people are composed of homogenous human nations.
The Japanese can make anything work, same for the french, the english, the german, etc.

no kind of system when a critical mass of subhuman demonic nations infect the government and the people.
Kikes, niggers, kikes, arabs, kikes, indians, kikes, all the one and only cause of civilisational collapses.

[Anonymous No.50636090]

>>50636005
says the guy who doesn't understand that "state capitalism" and socialism boil down to the same thing

[Anonymous No.50636108]

>>50636027
>>50636052

[Anonymous No.50636110]

>>50636090
Socialism is literally the opposite of state capitalism.

[Anonymous No.50636128]

Greedy or unaware anon. That is the reality of things. I don't think communism is the right way to do things either. I don't give a fuck about any of this shit anyway, just want to get rich off my bag of matic and live in some secluded island

[Anonymous No.50636142]

>>50636108

[Anonymous No.50636150]

>>50636110
you mean socialism is "private ownership of the means of production"? are you fucking retarded you moronic mouth-breather? like what the fuck, mat? that even a new low for self-proclaimed socialists on the internet.

[Anonymous No.50636162]

>>50636150
Imagine being this retarded. Holy hell.

[Anonymous No.50636165]

>>50636027
Germans are giga chad philsophers I don't care

[Anonymous No.50636180]

>>50636110
btw this is a bunkertranny who keeps sliding threads with his marxist shilling because all commies are crabs in a bucket who hate people who try to make it. Thats why they focus so much on equality and disabled retards. All socialist countries are shitholes i wouldnt even take a shit in. revolution anyday now amirite faggot

[Anonymous No.50636182]

>>50636165
Guess who else is german?
I say nuke the bastards.

[Anonymous No.50636191]

>>50635979
That's why I said that they admitted that communism doesn't work, retard. Otherwise they would have kept a communist economic system.

[Anonymous No.50636205]

CLF going to 18.50 EOD!

[Anonymous No.50636216]

>>50634659
>And remember, "poorness" itself is relative. The American poor today still have a well sized living pod, VR/Internet, a smartchip, multiple car experience packages, and plentiful nutrients. The poor 100 years ago huddled together with their IRL "family" in "homes" with no homeostatic temperature control/sexual reward system and died by the age of 80.

>People like to mock the concept of trickle down and relative advancement but it's literally fucking true. The combine chases a bag thanks to the interneural market, they create something for an exclusive few at the start, eventually they learn what we want and it gets mass produced for everyone and the whole of society benefits.

>Meanwhile, take a look at the podless. They stagnated entirely in non innovative muck and had to get crumbs of culture from what the combine was doing. People there still have to feed manually and wear clothes to protect themselves from the elements for fuck's sake.

[Anonymous No.50636223]

>>50636180
Low IQ alert.

[Anonymous No.50636237]

>>50636162
yes, imagine being this retarded:
>where the means of production are nationalized as state-owned enterprises
>Socialism is literally the opposite of state capitalism.

like mate, better kill yourself before any self-awareness hits you.

[Anonymous No.50636247]

>>50636191
They never had a communist system. That's the fucking point.

[Anonymous No.50636265]

>>50636237
You never graduated high school, right? Communism is stateless.

[Anonymous No.50636273]

>>50636162
>>50636237
Stop arguing and nuke germany.
That would solve the problem once and for all.

[Anonymous No.50636404]

>>50636247
only because all communism is inofficially defined as "not real communism" by communists.
don't you sometimes wonder why whenever commies get to power all they produce is "not real communism"? do you think it might be because you define it as "working" for it to be "real communism" whereas whenever your stupid ideas are actually implemented they result in totalitarian nightmares - and are thus "not real communism"?
did you ever spent any time contemplating on why that might be?

[Anonymous No.50636438]

>>50635914
created by private banks to fund government borrowing and spending, retard. You stupid fucks never get close to any kind of actual insight because you've swallowed the lie that there's any real dividing line between government and private institutions in the modern west.
You hold up the military-industrial complex as a boogeyman, yet assume that it's somehow unique to to the arms industry, even as military spending shrinks as a % of government spending.

[Anonymous No.50636467]

>>50636404
>totalitarian nightmares
They are doing it again.
We must stop them.
Nuclear cleansing is the only option.

[Anonymous No.50636586]

>>50636265
>Communism is stateless.
Nah, mate, I think you just don't understand how things play out in the real world.
Communism is a) a strategy for the supposedly disenfranchised to destabilise a given society and thereby take over the means of resource-allocation to benefit themselves and b) once this was done to consolidate power. and I know you're thinking right now that I have no clue, but just do the following: watch a coup of young males in a pack of chimpanzees taking over and then compare their ACTIONS to historical accounts of socialist revolutions. They are the same thing. All your theory means crap. What actually is happening is that you congregate with a bunch of other mentally ill losers like you to play out a program almost as old as our species to get your hands on pussy. And what you're actually being driven by by the way is a feeling of inferiority.

[Anonymous No.50636608]

>>50635972
>according to your retarded logic there should be, right?
No. States and corporations are entirely different entities motivated by completely different things.

[Anonymous No.50636609]

>>50636404
>name a single state that's stateless!
Retard.

[Anonymous No.50636628]

>>50636608
retarded like all your other posts.

[Anonymous No.50636630]

>>50630822
Trained from birth to do so, entire media and education structure oriented around this objective. Even most of the people who don't are controlled dissent.

[Anonymous No.50636645]

>>50636438
>created by private banks to fund government borrowing and spending
False.

>swallowed the lie that there's any real dividing line between government and private institutions in the modern west
I haven't "swallowed" that lie. In fact, my entire point in this thread is that there is no difference. Under capitalism, capital rules.

[Anonymous No.50636663]

>>50636586
Switch to water, faggot.

[Anonymous No.50636664]

>>50636609
>all ducks are stateless
>therefore this isn't a duck
way to go not understanding the point of your definition being flawed

[Anonymous No.50636679]

>>50630822
>try to seize control of a mans means
Gee, i fucking wonder...

[Anonymous No.50636688]

>>50636664
You're missing some premises there, Aristotle.

[Anonymous No.50636710]

>>50636247
Here we funking go again. First there's no place for socialists and other state loving faggots. And most posters here are for free market. Capitalism is a social construct made by resentful, useless and lazy people who hate what they can't do but others can. The idea of free market and trade, however, has been in existence before civilizations came to be.

[Anonymous No.50636782]

>>50636679
Told you. It's the fucking krauts AGAIN.

[Anonymous No.50636786]

>>50636404
Communism is fantasy. It would never work bc it's contrary to human nature. Not to mention that it takes only ONE, 1, UNO person to decide "fuck it, i want more" and starve millions kek

[Anonymous No.50636794]

Because Capitalism is the locally-owned business down the street offering you something you might want, not the coalition of banking oligarchs and politicians scheming and scamming to squeeze us all dry. Your every cry to crack down on Capitalism accomplishes exactly that - the former gets cracked down on, to the benefit of the latter.

[Anonymous No.50636802]

>>50636710
>First there's no place for socialists and other state loving faggots.
Socialists want to eliminate the state, retard.

>And most posters here are for free market
Lol, no. Most /biz/ posters are NEET losers.

>Capitalism is a social construct made by resentful, useless and lazy people who hate what they can't do but others can.
True.

>The idea of free market and trade, however, has been in existence before civilizations came to be.
Yes, and free trade has nothing to do with capitalism vs socialism. It can exist under either system.

[Anonymous No.50636809]

Oh look at the time. Is it destroy europe 'o clock again?

[Anonymous No.50636823]

>>50635366
>when communism does stuff I like, it's capitalism
>when capitalism does stuff I don't like, it's communism
like pottery

[Anonymous No.50636822]

>>50636794
>Because Capitalism is the locally-owned business down the street offering you something you might want, not the coalition of banking oligarchs and politicians scheming and scamming to squeeze us all dry.
Could have fooled me.

[Anonymous No.50636840]

Gee hans, i wonder how many time we could kill gorillions of people before someone notices.

[Anonymous No.50636844]

>>50636710
>Capitalism is a social construct made by resentful, useless and lazy people who hate what they can't do but others can
you do know the concept of "Capitalism" as you think of it was actually invented by Karl Marx and ironically you described his personality exceptionally well?

[Anonymous No.50636898]

>>50630822
>230 replies
>every day the same fucking thread
>the same morons with no idea what capitalism and communism are
>the same morons with no idea we’re ruled by nepotistic kikes who hate aryans
I hope you all die subhuman npcs

[Anonymous No.50636953]

>>50633913
>seize $6,472,200,000,000 of net worth, mostly existing as equity stakes in various huge companies peppered with other holdings like real estate
>realize that you can't eat it and have no goddamn idea what to even do with it
>"world hunger" remains primarily a complex web of disconnected supply-chain and localized development problems with no obvious or short-term solutions
>the equity you seized goes to zero because you never knew what to do with it and the companies start falling apart
>even more people starving than before
Good plan.

[Anonymous No.50636961]

>>50636898
>CAPITALISM IS BASED
>I LOVE WORKIN 80 HOURS A WEEK JUST TO SURVIVE
>JEWS ROCK
>...
>HOW COME WHITE BIRTHS IS DOWN??????

[Anonymous No.50636997]

This board is fucking retarded. Everyone can see that its the germans again. I am going to write my congressman to nuke the shit out of them.

[Anonymous No.50637011]

>>50636802
I meant to write "here's no place for them". Communists are allergic to profiting by selling goods and services.
>Lol, no. Most /biz/ posters are NEET losers.
Lmao I agree. However the few posters here with a three digit iq fall under the category i described
>Yes, and free trade has nothing to do with capitalism vs socialism. It can exist under either system.
Yes but in both cases it's not truly free trade. Capitalism is the natural outcome of free trade whereas free trade under socialism can be reached once the end goal is met (unironic fully automated space gay communism)

>>50636844
You do understand I'm taking the piss on how the definition of capitalism can always change in order to fit the commie's reality, right? Is that why the post was deleted?

[Anonymous No.50637023]

>>50636961
maybe you should quit your job or go back to school if you don't like where you're at in life, man.

[Anonymous No.50637048]

>>50636997
Przemek, we get it. You don't like germans.

[Anonymous No.50637052]

>>50637011
Is it possible to have "truly" free trade without chattel slavery? Why or why not?

[Anonymous No.50637055]

>>50637023
i make six figures a year working from home. i did nothing all morning and i'm taking a "summer friday" half day. in all likelihood i make more money and have more money than you.

[Anonymous No.50637059]

>>50637011
>You do understand ...
yes, I figured that out a little too late and that's why I deleted my post. Sorry, mate: Autism.

[Anonymous No.50637071]

>>50630822
Capitalism isn't a being that's just what you call whatever that isn't the utopia you think would happen if you were in power.

Evils aren't caused by a badly defined system, it's caused by people with names and addresses.

[Anonymous No.50637073]

it is the reason btc exists. it is the reason we have a shiba inu coin, the reason we have a $champ coin, the reason we have ALL the shitcoins and altcoins in the market. it's the foster child of freedom, with all the good and bad that entails.

[Anonymous No.50637089]

The amount of commies ITT is outstanding

[Anonymous No.50637105]

>>50637055
Sure you do, mate. I can see you have great reasons to be angry at the world like a bitter basement dweller. Keep on lying to strangers on the internet. I'm sure that will help your self-worth.

[Anonymous No.50637107]

>>50636898
I find these threads encouraging tbf
Several years ago these threads would be mostly full of lolbertarians parroting their jewish economist quotes
Now there is just a lot of screeching froma few 10+ post IDs clinging to their facebook opinions

[Anonymous No.50637113]

>>50637071
Capitalism is private ownership of capital, retard. All evils are ultimately systemic.

[Anonymous No.50637164]

>>50637089
These threads need to be instant bans. Commies do nothing but argue semantics over truth.

[Anonymous No.50637166]

>>50637105
imagine being so poor that you refuse to believe in the mere possibility of someone like me existing. i see capitalism has served you well.

[Anonymous No.50637195]

>>50637164
>argue semantics over truth
Apologists for capitalism do, you mean. They have zero substantive understanding of economic reality.

[Anonymous No.50637210]

>>50637052
You got me here honestly. I was thinking about it on my way back from work earlier and it's the same conclusions: Some people cannot function without being pushed by others. In short, people=shit, which it a tough pill to swallow when trying not to end up a misanthropic dickhead after years of loneliness and emotional neglect. If I ever come with an answer, I'll make a thread and try to summon you

>>50637059
It's ok, we're in this together

[Anonymous No.50637215]

>>50637107
>10+ post IDs clinging to their facebook opinions
it's called growing up, asshole

[Anonymous No.50637239]

>>50637107
You're on the wrong board kid. Maybe you're on the wrong website even

[Anonymous No.50637282]

>>50637195
You dipshits have said it's over this time for sure repeatedly since Marx wrote the thing. Grow up.

[Anonymous No.50637317]

>>50633895
pretty much, since you can't trade what you don't own.

[Anonymous No.50637324]

>>50633913
>halting climate change
Lol, lmao even

[Anonymous No.50637343]

>>50633913
Okay but how would you seize that money anyway? They don't have 6.4 trillion in cash just lying around. There's not even that much in banks. It's all valued by the markets but the second a violent global revolution starts the markets will plummet so that 6.4 trillion in value will almost entirely evaporate, not to mention the consequences for the currencies involved, as they would likely be devalued. So what are you going to seize exactly? Their property and businesses? Great, now what are you going to do with that, divide it up evenly amongst all 7 billion people? And who's going to work in the Amazon warehouses or whatever? Who's going to run them? Nobody? Then who's going to maintain order to ensure that stuff keeps getting made at scale?

[Anonymous No.50637344]

>>50637166
right, imagine being so poor that you don't realise when your posts smell of low status and bitterness.

[Anonymous No.50637365]

>>50636794
It's the main flaw of every political and economic system. No matter how hard you try, it's impossible to proof them against corruption and greed once some entities or groups of people concentrate enough power to bypass the will of the people and take over the state.

It's faster and more obvious with communism and despotism, since in those systems the state takes control over everything. But capitalism leads to the same result once some entities become so large and powerful that they can command the state. It just takes longer to achieve this goal. It's just human nature. Some people have stronger predatory instincts, more willpower and less empathy than others, and those will always try to size power, generally at the detriment of the people.

[Anonymous No.50637392]

>>50637107
Yeah, because anonymous opinions on 4chan /biz/ are really telling.

The US isn’t a capitalistic country because the Fed/Government pick winners and losers. In a truly capitalistic country companies like Tesla and Microsoft would be a flash in the pan.

[Anonymous No.50637458]

The purpose of capitalism is to increase efficiency by incentivizing a meritocracy. The mechanism it uses to achieve this is competition for financial incentive. Therefore the measure of a capitalist society’s success is the degree to which competition exists. Monopolies are therefore repugnant to a capitalist society because they squash competition. America is a system of state backed monopolies and state enforced regulations that prevent competition. We are not capitalist in any meaningful sense and the difference between American state capitalism and Chinese state communism is paper thin. Anyone who has the will to shed their indoctrination (also provided at pain of truancy by the state) already understands this intuitively.

[Anonymous No.50637663]

>>50637089
>if you criticize full capitalism, that means youre a commie!
Complete lightswitch brain. Jeff Bezos thanks you for your service.

[Anonymous No.50637676]

>>50637458
yeah, that's what you see in it, but some of us just like the idea of getting warm burgers at a sensible price in the middle of the night. others on the other hand like the idea of providing burgers because it makes for a much easier living than to scavenge in the post-apocalyptic wastelands of siberia or manchuria. I think there's a lot of freedom to choose involved or something.

>>50637392
you're not wrong.

[Anonymous No.50637761]

>>50637365
good thing raising minimum wage is the answer to everything

[Anonymous No.50637780]

>>50635379
>unrestricted markets based on voluntary contacts don’t create monopolys because… uh competition dynamics, well uh, THEY JUST DON’T

[Anonymous No.50637848]

>>50634580
Phukken kek

[Anonymous No.50637904]

>>50633913
Is 6.2 trillion all they have? The national debt is 5 times that.

[Anonymous No.50637911]

>>50637458
>conflating the goal of the system with the system itself
the goal of communism is utopia therefore anything that is not utopia is not communism

[Anonymous No.50637915]

>>50637458
>The purpose of capitalism is to increase efficiency by incentivizing a meritocracy.
This is idiotic because pure capitalism has the exact opposite effect. The actual purpose is to increase the power of the elites and perpetuate an age-old cycle of generational wealth transfer and control over the masses. The only people who believe this shit are boomers brainwashed into believing in the myth of the "American Dream."

[Anonymous No.50637922]

>>50630822
>Why do people defend capitalism and its vile practices?
because they got theirs

desu if i was rich i would be the same way, fuck you people, i hate humanity

[Anonymous No.50638002]

>>50637911
>>50637780
you're late to the party, mate. the thread already has 272 replies. reply to some more recent posts to get some action desu.

[Anonymous No.50638051]

>>50633913
its funny because the stupid people that believe this are the ones who will stand up and start the violence. turns out it was in the best interest of rich people to keep things equal all along lmao

[Anonymous No.50638075]

>>50637113
Corporations don't pollute the ocean *because* private ownership of capital exists, that's like saying that criminals stab people *because* they have arms. A necessary condition and a causality link are two different things.

Of course the existence of private property is a necessary condition fir people to do anything, good or bad, when it's for the sake of getting more possessions, that's a truism to say that. The idea that it makes private property the one cause of this evil to be eradicated is a nonsensical jump in logic. It implies that :
>what happen what private property is eradicated is better than what we have now
Every historical exemple shows it isn't
>it is possible at all to eradicated private property
In practice what happen is that everything becomes the private property of a small number of individuals pretending to work for the sake of the people but in practice having all the power of a corporation that would have bought all competitors and taken over the military and police force.
>Eradicating private property is the only way to stop those evils
Fighting off corruption, giving some food and shelter to the poorest and making it as easy as humanly possible to start a maintain a business while not inflating the currency would stop most if not all of the so called evils of capitalism. Punish capitalists who abuse their power and let anyone start his business so that the competition for workers is harsh, pushing for better working conditions.
Obviously that program is easier said than done but that still more realistic than "abolishing private property" whatever you imagine it would mean in practice.

[Anonymous No.50638078]

>>50637915
or maybe the true purpose of capitalism is for you to go to market and sell some shit that you don't need to get your hands on some crap that you do need. (and in between we somehow all benefit because magically people all end of with shit they value more than the crap they gave away)

[Anonymous No.50638153]

>>50637922
mate, you don't have shit because you're most likely in your twenties and just started the game.

[Anonymous No.50638177]

>>50638153
are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.50638266]

>>50637915
>>50637676
Money is a technology used to distribute the authority of the sovereign throughout society. It’s basically just delegation of authority. The more money you have the more power you have within society and it’s bounds. Societies with this technology outcompete those without because of the efficiency gains of automatic delegation of state power to the most able. That is the function of currency in society. To the extent that this occurs faithfully a society is capitalist. To the extent that the state withdraws its power back to itself a state is oligarchic or despotic. America is an oligarchy with aspects of capitalism.

[Anonymous No.50638282]

>>50638177
probably. are you a loser? because if you're in your thirties and up and bitching about being "not being rich" you should rethink your life,

[Anonymous No.50638299]

>>50638078
Sounds great until one company buys up all the other companies. And especially if it's an industry with high startup costs and the big company can snuff out new competitors before they spring up.

Oh, that shit you used to sell for that other shit you need? Yeah, it costs twice as much now. And it's lower quality because we can cut costs to make more of a profit, since we're the only provider in town and you have no alternatives. And because it's lower quality it breaks a lot easier so you have to buy it more often so we can make even more profits.

So it's been a couple of decades and that company expanded into other industries and put all your local shops out of business. So now you have no choice but to work for them, and give all the money they paid you back to them.

Huh, this seems a lot like a monopoly and straying pretty far from where capitalism started. Oh, but it's a business monopoly, not a government monopoly. It's only bad if it's the government that does it.

[Anonymous No.50638311]

>>50638282
I'm not quite that old, you're a fucking retard for completely misunderstanding my initial post and getting mad over it

Kill yourself brit

[Anonymous No.50638330]

>>50630822
Mods banned me for asking what the best crypto VPN was for being off topic but this shit slides?

Back to /Pol commie

[Anonymous No.50638373]

>>50630822
Because some of us are capitalist who own real businesses and get off on ripping people off all day every day. Fuck you in your broke fucking ass, I love seeing anti-capitalists because I just know they got fucked HARD in the ass by me or someone like me. Die poor, a raped little bitch, just like your father.

[Anonymous No.50638397]

>>50638299
>disney owns everything, therefore its impossible for competition to succeed.
>amazon sells more than anyone therefore no one else can sell stuff anymore
Sounds like you have a great opportunity to fill a niche that the monopoly cant, with your new business

[Anonymous No.50638453]

>>50638266
you're being to fixated on power, man. money is a way to delegate resource allocation in a decentralised way. it's really just a stream of information penetrating all layers of society that we use to determine the value of a good or service in contrast to its production-costs and how it relates to other goods or services available to.

the thing where everyone bitches about state or centralised entities fucking with the money-supply is essentially just those entities creating mal-allocation by creating wrongful information (essentially lying about the state of the economy)

it's not a tool of oppression. fundamentally it's neutral. but you have a point in so far as it is speculated that money may have come about as a means to distribute the spoil of war prior to battle (because part of your warriors aren't going to survive the battle and that kind of fucks with the incentives to fight ...) ... but that's just speculation

[Anonymous No.50638474]

>>50638397
>Disney is a de facto member of the state and will use state power to enforce its monopoly
>Amazon is a de facto member of the state and will use state power to enforce its monopoly

It’s almost like you don’t know that the laws are written by lobbyists.

[Anonymous No.50638518]

>>50638299
Yeah imagine all that shit except you assemble armies and gangs and prisons and instead of doing business you just harass people
>It's only bad if it's the government that does it.
Yes, that is the unavoidable logical, moral and ethical conclusion these retarded Statist discussions reduce to.

[Anonymous No.50638547]

>>50638453
Power in society = wealth plus influence
Power outside society = force

Money cannot be separated from the concept of power.

[Anonymous No.50638619]

>>50638397
Except because there's no regulations Amazon can now make contracts with the suppliers of all of their goods so that they can only deal with Amazon. And when new businesses pop up that try to compete with them, they buy them out. Oh, you don't want to sell to them? Well, Amazon is well prepared for that with their billions of dollars. Hopefully you business can survive the legions of negative reviews and bad publicity that Amazon has been clandestinely manufacturing. Do you or anyone higher up in your company have skeletons in the closet? Prepare to have them dug up and shown to the world. What, you thought your little fledgling company stood a chance of competing? Life isn't fair, pal, and there's no big daddy government to even the playing field. Enjoy drinking your Amazon brand soda in the AmazPod home while watching your favorite Amazon Studios show on your Amazon Explore Tablet that you're renting for 59.99 Amazon Company Dollars per month.

[Anonymous No.50638735]

>>50638619
so your answer is more government power? introduce regulations and enforcement.

[Anonymous No.50638803]

>>50638299
>sounds great until one company buys up all the other companies.
for fucks sake, mate, that's such a non-argument. all it tells me is that you didn't even spent one minute to think about this:
a) the moment someone starts indiscriminately buying up shit people raise prises (making it economically unviable to "buy up all the shit (whatever that is ... land, companies, houses .. whatever)
b) other entities will start also buying either to get some power themselves or just to sell to you at a higher price
c) even if you somehow magically manage to create a monopoly you will find that you are now competing with shit you didn't think of when you started (you're the only car producer - people will use trains to circumvent you exploitative pricing, you monopolise transportation: people will find a way to use the phone and some clever logistics to minimise their travels ...)
d) even you somehow manages to be successful at what is essentially "herding cats", you will find that your newly found ability to create market-inefficiencies attracts other players who start businesses to undercut you because IT IS PROFITABLE TO DO SO
e) when you start buying up those fucker you will find that people start businesses just for you to buy them
f) and in the end you will find that apple has a very low market share in computers but is the most profitable seller because they sell the promise of higher quality / status.

[Anonymous No.50638822]

>>50638619
>less regulations = monopolies
Wrong.
But how could you know, you are economically illiterate
How about you go read a book instead ? How about that, loser ?

[Anonymous No.50638874]

>>50630822
their shitposts are brought to you and sponsored by kikesTM, that's why mi fren
also leftypol faggots are the true fascist pro capitalist jewish bootlicking faggots

[Anonymous No.50639008]

>>50638822
>>50638803
Markets aren't perfectly self-regulating mechanisms. They aren't magic, morons. Markets fail all the time and because our society is based on them the only way to prevent catastrophic collapse of civilization is for governments to step in and regulate them.

Yes, if you have a pure free market with no regulations or oversight then you're going to get more and more monopolies over time. You can come up with all the hypotheticals you want about why it won't happen but there are countless examples in history of this happening.

[Anonymous No.50639041]

>>50638299
>So now you have no choice but to work for them, and give all the money they paid you back to them.
oh and by the way, if there's only one buyer (and that is what only having one employer in a town means) it's called a monopsony.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopsony))

[Anonymous No.50639101]

>>50639008
so when a bank is too big to fail, and bailed out by the state, that bank is somehow less a monopoly than if it were in a "pure free market"

[Anonymous No.50639262]

>>50639008
mate, you're absolutely wrong about this - and frankly your ideas about how markets play out are naive. If creating monopolies was easily done you'd see them all the time, but instead you only get to discover monopolies where there are artificial market-inefficiencies created by government intervention of kind of another.

>Markets aren't perfectly self-regulating mechanisms.
that by the way is besides the point. what matters is that markets are created through the interaction of autonomous agents who themselves are victim to evolutionary pressures (as in: if you don't make enough money, you go broke - thus your actions are dictated by risk and reward ... and that is how things play out: like in fucking nature. ... oh and as a sidenote: guess what!? manipulating the monopolist on violence is way less risky and much more rewarding than actually competing. that's why the existence of government is cancerous for a market.)

[Anonymous No.50639394]

>>50639262
>If creating monopolies was easily done you'd see them all the time
They ruled the gilded age, mongoloid, and the only reason there are only a few of them now is because the government keeps breaking them up. This is all irrelevant though, because even if monopolies were impossible, there is no way to prevent corporations from forming cartels in an unregulated market.

[Anonymous No.50639505]

>>50638153
Who is the qt?

[Anonymous No.50639512]

>>50630822
Why do you retards larp as commies so often here?

[Anonymous No.50639536]

>>50639394
you know googling the things you think you know once in a while results overall in less embarrassment in your life.
and if you don't get it, look at pic related and then look at what you are replying to:

>instead you only get to discover monopolies where there are artificial market-inefficiencies created by government intervention of kind of another.

[Anonymous No.50639819]

>>50639262
>If creating monopolies was easily done you'd see them all the time
We're living in the aftermath of an era of aggressive antitrust actions, and under a regime where large mergers and acquisitions are still subject to regulatory review and approval - and even with the substantial red tape that still exists, we immediately entered into an era of immense consolidation of entire industries into oligopolies dominated by a small number of sprawling giants the moment the more aggressive monopoly-breaking antitrust suits themselves became a thing of the past.

Basic principles of free markets are self-evidently valid, but you're naive as hell if you look around at a world fresh off the heels of a legendary buck-breaking antitrust era and governed by a regime of M&A restrictions and think "free markets did this". The giants have to jump through hoops constantly to consolidate anything and the wal-marts of the world STILL steamroll and gobble up competitors with monopolistic furor.

[Anonymous No.50639862]

>>50639536
A society where government never meddled in the economy never did and never can exist, so your belief that it causes all monopolies is untestable, and furthermore, irrelevant, because you can't do anything about it.

[Anonymous No.50640069]

>>50639536
The fact that the end-state was one in which plutocrats used their monopolistic position to buy politicians to boost their profits and entrench their positions further is not a refutation of the idea that they wreaked plenty of havoc with maneuvers that are "fair game" in a hypothetical pure free market like you think it is. The troubles of that era were not addressed merely by making the politicians stop taking bribes and letting the market do the rest - the monopolies were knocked down a peg directly too, period, and you're going to have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to come up with a way that this part of the historical record somehow proves your point too.

[Anonymous No.50640184]

>>50639512
>300 posts ajd 66 image replies omitted.
take a guess

[Anonymous No.50640201]

>>50639819
mate, I'm tired, so this is going to be my last post in this thread and I hope you forgive me for giving a somewhat flimsy reply:

those anti-trust actions had a lot of politics behind the scenes and while I'm not too familiar with a lot of them, I know that for instance the one against microsoft was more of a way to force the company to play ball with Washington because prior to that they did not send lobbyists to the capital. I know it's a somewhat paranoid statement but overall I think there is way more opportunism and selective enforcement in government action than we are aware of and the narratives we are told about those actions tend to be designed to please us (and no matter how smart we think we are we are not immune against propaganda).

that being said I think you are missing the point because essentially what I am trying to say is that to creat any kind of market inefficiency (that means a profit potential exceeding the limits of what is possible in a un-distorted market) means expanding a amount of "economic energy" (money) that undermines the resulting profit from said distortion - (or basically: unless you involve the government you're most likely going to go broke creating the monopoly and if you manage to create it you'll find that you can not exploit your pricing-power because that creates the very forces that will destroy your monopolies ... )

therefore: yes, I think that the existence of those law-suits does not undermine my argument as you would find to see a lot more of those law suits if it was truly that easy.

[Anonymous No.50640218]

3/4 of all posters itt are bots

[Anonymous No.50640383]

>>50639862
>so your belief that it causes all monopolies is untestable,
and in reverse so is yours, so go fuck yourself. seriously mate, what's with the pseudo-intellectual hogwash? what you just wrote is really not as smart as you think it is.

>>50640069
dude, my point is that they bought politicians to erect their monopolies - and without the possibility to do so they would have be able to do their supposed evil deed (which by the just so you know: a lot of that perception is actually the result of "marketing campaigns" spread by their competitors)
either way you are dealing with the results of corruption, and not a failing of free markets.

[Anonymous No.50640401]

>>50630822
They're told to by the jews.

[Anonymous No.50640412]

>>50630822
Capitalism has a hack called compound interest. You just need to make enough to invest in a stock or crypto like CNDL or FTM that pays dividends to make it in Capitalism. Do this right and you can live off of the staking rewards and you won't have to work.

[Anonymous No.50641100]

can someone tell the newfags to stop bumping and replying to bunkertrannies? They literally just post here to demoralize and subvert bizcels who want to make it. notice how all the bait threads are landlord, billionaire, or or commie bait threads? Its the same shitters from leftypol trying to stop you from making money by wasting your time.

[Anonymous No.50641246]

>>50640201
>that being said I think you are missing the point because essentially what I am trying to say is that to creat any kind of market inefficiency (that means a profit potential exceeding the limits of what is possible in a un-distorted market) means expanding a amount of "economic energy" (money) that undermines the resulting profit from said distortion
Your point is understood completely. And it's wrong, as a lolbert theorist's pure abstraction that does not hold up as true under the messy conditions of reality that are always confounding pure academic theorists in every discipline everywhere. Real markets are inefficient enough for people to cause problems.

[Anonymous No.50641680]

>>50630822
If you don't like it, then make ur own system of political economy n such

[Anonymous No.50642203]

>>50630822
Because any criticism of capitalism is communism.
>>50630982
>The people calling everyone commie aren't 12
>>50631017
>I love fascism
>Biden is a fascist!

[Anonymous No.50642563]

>>50641246
yeah, whatever, man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdLBzfFGFQU