>SOCIETY OWES ME A HOUSE

[Anonymous No.50601698]

>SOCIETY OWES ME A HOUSE
>I DELIVER UBER EATS PART TIME
>HOUSES ARE TOO EXPENSIVE
>CAPITALISM HAS FAILED

[Anonymous No.50601717]

>>50601698
>dopamine levels low
>better repost the same thread for a mild stimulation in my permafried niggerbrain

[Anonymous No.50601782]

>>50601717
bot

[Anonymous No.50601799]

>>50601782
bot

[Anonymous No.50601902]

>>50601799
generic bot post

[Anonymous No.50601944]

>WHAT DO YOU MEAN JUST LIVE SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN LOS ANGELES OR NEW YORK??? THAT ISN'T WHAT MARX WOULD'VE HECKIN WANTED!!!

[Anonymous No.50602054]

>Commies don't want to pay 500k for my house I paid 75k for
>That means they want a house for free
>That's literally communism
>How dare these commies criticize capitalism

[Anonymous No.50602152]

>>50602054
>capitalism is when socialism-inspired central banks print trillions of dollars and inject it into the housing market creating a massive bubble
LMAO

[Anonymous No.50602244]

maybe you all could try living in other states instead of just continually crowding into new york and california

[Anonymous No.50602262]

>>50601698
Are there any other options other than capitalism or communism?
I feel these terms were made up very recently and I don't understand why people in the past before the "enlightenment" didn't argue about it.

[Anonymous No.50602269]

>>50602262
the best system is a free market, it would stop these perpetual bubbles and inflation

[Anonymous No.50602340]

>>50602262
feudalism with a hint of slavery/servitude

[Anonymous No.50602343]

society owes me access to a job making things, not just jobs deliver goyslop to rich people whose parents made things

[Anonymous No.50602400]

>>50601698
bot

[Anonymous No.50602433]

>>50602400
i don't think it's a bot, just a mentally deranged schizo. they sporadically raid /biz/. there's some retard niggerbrain who uses brave browser on a tablet who incessantly posts fox news and other screenshots doing the same thing. see >>50599812 and >>50600672

they're both so transparently stupid, you can identify them almost immediately.

[Anonymous No.50602986]

>>50602152
when that printing is done only to benefit an extremely small group of extremely rich people? Yeah, that is capitalism.
>duh free market
It literally is impossible to exist, you need a state to keep the workers from simply killing the wealthy.

[Anonymous No.50603019]

>>50601698
>imagine replying to such an obvious bot thread.
Oh shi-

[Anonymous No.50603053]

>>50602986
>only to benefit an extremely small group of extremely rich people
Hey, that's literally Communism in practice.

[Anonymous No.50603201]

>>50602152
>Real capitalism has never been tried!

[Anonymous No.50603322]

>>50603201
But it was tried and was extremely successful.
Just abolish socialism/central banking.
It's not that hard, retard.

>>50602986
>when that printing is done only to benefit an extremely small group of extremely rich people? Yeah, that is capitalism.
No, that's literally fucking socialism. The abolishment of private property.
Kill yourself commie retard.
It's communists that promoted and created central banks.

>It literally is impossible to exist,
Then why did it exist many times in history?
lmao why do people say this bullshit? Read a history book on periods in history with no central banks and free markets.

>you need a state to keep the workers from simply killing the wealthy.
Workers don't give a single fuck. Nobody cares about your commie larp.
Stateless capitalism existed countless times in history.

[Anonymous No.50603327]

>>50603053
yeah, communism never lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty, or took a nation of poor illiterate farmers to be the first in space

[Anonymous No.50603348]

>>50603327
>communism never lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty,
It forced hundreds of millions of people INTO poverty you bootlicking retard.
>muh space
Feeding your population is more important than space.

>or took a nation of poor illiterate farmers
Capitalist nations improved literacy far more than socialist ones.

[Anonymous No.50603356]

>>50603322
what period in history had a true free market? Basically all big societies had slaves, so that kind of rules that out.

[Anonymous No.50603365]

>>50603327
communism is the dumbest religion on earth

[Anonymous No.50603383]

>>50603365
lol, a post about life expectancy

[Anonymous No.50603386]

>>50603356
>what period in history had a true free market?
Periods with mostly free markets were the most prominent and most successful, like Canada/USA during the late 1800s.
But anarchist versions of free market include:

French Acadia
American Midwest during 1800s.
Cospaia 400 years
Free Frisia 700 years
Neutral Moresnet 100 years
Ancient Ireland 2000 years
Medieval Iceland 400 years
African Tribes using the Xeer legal system to this day
The San
Zomia current day population: 150 million
Cheran Mexico current day

[Anonymous No.50603396]

>>50601698
this but unironically
housing is artificially expensive because people playing investment games and shit, some gay shit called "equity" housing has become a giant pyramid scheme scam.

[Anonymous No.50603404]

>>50603386
lol, late 1800's America, when kids got there arms ripped off in machines and thrown out on the streets. When entire races were barred from owning property or having jobs. You are so god damn stupid

[Anonymous No.50603411]

>>50601698
>speculates behind you
>leverages until the average home is 10x the average wage
Heh
Nothin personal kid.

[Anonymous No.50603428]

>>50603327
You do realize that China is a State Capitalist country now right? China was only able to do this by transitioning from a socialist economy to a more capitalist one since the 1970s

[Anonymous No.50603439]

>>50603383
lmao are you unironically a maoist bootlicker?
You know that the majority of those increases in life expectancy happened after china abandoned maoism and implemented market reforms, right?
You know that countries with economic freedom had already massively increased live expectancy, right?

Why did life expectancy increase in eastern europe after the fall of communism?

>>50603404
>lol, late 1800's America
Yes, the greatest increase in living standards for workers in human history up to that point
people came from all over the world to work in american firms which paid the highest wages
Read a book.

> when kids got there arms ripped off in machines
Kids had much worse living conditions on farms in poorer countries. It was this era that made society rich enough to the point children didn't have to work anymore.

>You are so god damn stupid
You're a bootlicking socialist that doesn't know how to read lmfao
You couldn't even refute the countless other stateless examples I gave.

[Anonymous No.50603446]

>>50601717
>>50602054
>>50602262
>>50602400
>>50603201
>>50603396
You will never be a woman. You are a bunch of dysgenic freaks.

[Anonymous No.50603448]

>>50603428
He's a maoist manbaby that thinks mao's central planning wasn't a massive disaster that killed the most people in human history.
It's almost as if if you prevent people from growing their own food, they starve or something.

[Anonymous No.50603480]

>>50603383
the life expectancy was 32 in China before 1950?? lmao where did you get this garbage?

[Anonymous No.50603481]

capitalism fails for the same reason communism fails, both systems naively fail to account for the fact that whoever ends up in control will fuck everyone else. capitalism is still the best system tried so far but it has become horribly corrupted and needs a reboot, not a great reset that shits even worse, i mean 1776. but why bother it will just corrupt again. either that or holy shit humanity come up with something new. keep trying the same bullshit over and over getting the same result. fuck your isms

[Anonymous No.50603488]

>>50601799
Bot

[Anonymous No.50603496]

>>50603481
why do you retards keep falling for communist propaganda
capitalism doesnt even exist and the current system of central bank/government control certainly isnt a free market

[Anonymous No.50603502]

>>50603481
well in reality nothing naive about it since it was all designed to become corrupted. whats naive is we keep getting sold on these systems.

really every government or economic system humanity has ever tried throughout all history has been a complete and utter failure and quite simply we can't do anything right.

[Anonymous No.50603504]

>>50602262
Not to be confused with faggot Antifa.
Real primitiveness anarchy

[Anonymous No.50603511]

>>50603481
Go back faggot

[Anonymous No.50603513]

>>50603496
did you even read my post bot? i said capitalism is the best system tried so far and you call me a communist lol

[war1ock No.50603525]

>>50603496

this

[Anonymous No.50603532]

>>50603513
>i said capitalism is the best system tried so far and you call me a communist lol
because you're using their terms and definitions,
playing their game makes you make mistakes and become more sympathetic to their dumb ideology

[Anonymous No.50603543]

>>50603532
look buddy everything sucks
it all sucks, it's all shit

[Anonymous No.50603550]

>>50603543
the best way to have the best outcomes is to free the market
simple as

[Anonymous No.50603565]

>>50603550
free the market how? how to keep it free? whatever assholes end up in power economically or politically will become corrupted by that power and they'll fuck up your free market. this is basically the history of the united states. all we can do is reboot it and wait for it to become fucked again over time.

[Anonymous No.50603596]

>>50603481
literally just do best of both worlds, some places already do
capitalism fails because wealth pools too much in few hands and the wagies are exploited
socialism fails because incentives break down and you have to coerce people
so be capitalistic BUT make sure to provide a high baseline through wealth redistribution - the more money you have the less you have to work to make more of it - curbing that advantage through taxation is fair and productive - everyone wins (except the obscenely wealthy): result is an educated/happy citizenry and domestic stability - without base needs met you get quasi-first world countries where 20% of the population lives in permanent destitute (see burgerland)
some fucking chud will come crying about taxation is theft, but he's an idealogue sports politics american who votes for corrupt repubs, so ignore him
I cannot be proven wrong

[Anonymous No.50603600]

>>50602262
Fascism
Monarchy
Theocracy
You are correct in pointing out that the (((enlightenment))) was the beginning of the end. Church used to be the focal point of people's lives, then the enlightenment/industrial revolution happened, and the focal point changed to slaving away in factories so a handful of banking dynasties could get filthy rich and subvert the traditional order of small, tight-knit agricultural communities

[Anonymous No.50603635]

>>50603600
capitalism FAILED
communism FAILED
fascism FAILED
monarchism FAILED
theocracy-ism FALED

It all ends the same, with absolute power corrupting absolutely. It always goes to shit, we always get fucked over and over again.

History is only good for examples of what not to try again.

[Anonymous No.50603661]

>>50603480
Yes, the boom in life expectancy starting with Mao is one of the greatest ever. There was a famine at the end of the 50's, but it was literally the last, and it was extremely common before that. Also a massively expanded health system, the barefoot doctors.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4331212/

[Anonymous No.50603668]

>>50603635
let me add to the list
democracy FAILED

[Anonymous No.50603670]

>>50603565
>how to keep it free?
the government, through the abolishment of democracy
or, ideally a system of polycentric law(it worked in the past, see my examples above)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycentric_law

>>50603596
>capitalism fails because wealth pools too much in few hands and the wagies are exploited
that's not how any of this works lmao
when money is saved, it means resources are not being consumed, leaving more goods in the hands of everyone else, it pushes prices down
inequality isn't a bad thing, society needs savings
stop falling for marxist propaganda
>some fucking chud will come crying about taxation is theft, but he's an idealogue sports politics american who votes for corrupt repubs, so ignore him
What's it like being an authoritarian manbaby?

[Anonymous No.50603678]

>>50603543
>>50603565
>>50603596
>>50603600
>>50603635

[Anonymous No.50603682]

>>50601698
There are posts like this on r/longisland all the time. They literally think they deserve a home because they grew up there

[Anonymous No.50603687]

>>50603661
>just 70 million starved to death from central planning no big deal
communism FAILED

FAIL FAIL FAIL it all FAILS
all we can manage is FALURE

[Anonymous No.50603695]

>>50603327
Stalin wasn't a Communist, only Pol Pot actually was since he abolished fiat currency. He was the only real Communist on a massive scale and he killed 25% of his population in a few years.

[Anonymous No.50603703]

>>50603661
fucking kek this mao manbaby is still here
It was the greatest mass death in all human history.
The massive increases in living standards happened AFTER mao's retarded policies were abandoned.

>but it was literally the last
>UHHMM ACKCHEWALLY HE ONLY CAUSED ONE FAMINE
Countries with high levels of economic freedom didn't have famines, they got rid of them a long time ago.

[Anonymous No.50603735]

>>50603703
Capitalism causes famine in other nations. Look at what Syria and USA is doing in Yemen. Churchill starved millions in India.

Communism means workers keeping what they earn, capitalism means theft protected with violence.

[Anonymous No.50603768]

>>50603735
>b-b-b-ut capitalism
shut up FAILURE
you tried, it failed, fuck off

communism means the people in power (not you) get everything and fuck it all up. capitalism means the people in power (not you) get everything and fuck it all up but not as much or as badly but still FAILURE

[Anonymous No.50603781]

>>50603735
>Look at what Syria and USA is doing in Yemen. Churchill starved millions in India.

>CAPITALISM IS WHEN THE GOVERNMENT DOES STUFF

Never argue with a communist, people. It will literally rot your brain. They are actually this fucking retarded.
They worship the state and when the state does horrible things, they blame it on freedom.

>Communism means workers keeping what they earn,
Learn what time preference and marginal utility is. Marx's LTV was refuted by Bohm Bawerk.
Why did workers in communist societies massively suffer and die? Why do workers in more capitalist countries have much higher living standards?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_economic_freedom

[Anonymous No.50603787]

>>50603635
>fascism FAILED
>took a more-or-less landlocked country ass-raped by every other European power over the past century and turned it into a machine that challenged every other country on earth in around a decade
>then it took every other country on earth burning their own empires to muster the resources to defeat them
If you ask me that's pretty inspiring. Moreso than a global power turning into faggy commies and slowly turning into a country with sky-high aids rates and can't even beat a bunch of faggots next door.

[Anonymous No.50603789]

>>50603670
falling for propaganda roflmao dipshit I literally live in the most functional country on the planet
literally living the solution you need and I get first line seats watching the richest country on earth collapse because serfs like you drag your country down by the heels by voting for people who would push you off a cliff for $1000

>What's it like being an authoritarian manbaby?
KEKW you somehow think you're more free than me even though I pay >52% tax - I don't have to worry about SHIT, my education was paid for, health problems are fully covered, my children's futures are secured, and I live in a happy well educated country with high social cohesion and much higher social mobility than you
you're a cucked serf, and I live in a symbiotic relationship with my countrymen from which we all benefit
sit down slave

[Anonymous No.50603806]

you want a world where capitalism or communism can work? it's easy, just get rid of evil. oh wait you can't, well then i guess its doomed to fucking FAILURE stop pretending we can do anything other then fail. it's time to design a new system designed around inevitable failure. rather then pretending you can avoid failure and evil just work it into the new plan. what plan? i don't fucking know, anythings better then all the bullshit we've already tried and failed. everyone pretends their perfect system, their ISM can be made not to fail. nothing can be made not to fail, it will always fail, count on it.

[Anonymous No.50603822]

>>50603789
>falling for propaganda roflmao dipshit I literally live in the most functional country on the planet
What propaganda? What I believe is entirely against what the establishment wants people to believe.

>literally living the solution you need and I get first line seats watching the richest country on earth collapse because serfs like you drag your country down by the heels by voting for people who would push you off a cliff for $1000
Nigger. I already told you I am against this central banking nightmare.

>KEKW you somehow think you're more free than me even though
I'm not even american. Fucking kek take your meds.

>my education was paid for, health problems are fully covered,
lmao socialists are actually fucking brainwashed, they get their shit stolen by the state and then pretend it's "free"

>you're a cucked serf
LMAO listen to yourself you hypocritical bootlicking clown

[Anonymous No.50603829]

>>50603781
>The free market can only do good things, and when bad things happen it is because of government intervention
>People using violence to dominate others and force their will isn't the free market

YOU'RE VIOLATING THE NAP, YOU'RE VIOLATING THE NAP, AM I BEING DETAINED?

[Anonymous No.50603832]

>>50601698
nigga i literally just want supply and demand to rule the housing market, not supply and the artificial demand that central banks create out of thin fucking air with the brrrrrr

>50603695 (You)
>stalin wasn't a communist
oh boy.

>>50603768
you have summed up the worst part about communism in practice.
whereas those who provide the market what it wants get the influence and money in capitalism, those given power under communism outlaw any opposition and carry out repressive tactics to ensure it stays that way.
in a capitalist society, if you don't like someone you can erase their wealth and influence by not buying their shit.

[Anonymous No.50603833]

>>50603789
also I can't wait for europe's inevitable massive inflation and debt crisis
lets see how "free" it is then

[Anonymous No.50603853]

>>50603327
Just kill yourself commie faggot. We are going to let you queers destroy society for your LARP

[Anonymous No.50603861]

You are only capitalist because you strive to keep down others in a world of dispair
Only hoping one day that you will be the boss of others

But that day will never come

YET you still defined a system that exploits you

[Anonymous No.50603875]

>>50603829
>>The free market can only do good things, and when bad things happen it is because of government intervention
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
These are the things the government is LITERALLY fucking doing and you somehow magically blame it on the free market.
How do you retards even know how to breathe?

>>People using violence to dominate others and force their will isn't the free market
Yes, yes of course. Now you understand.
>YOU'RE VIOLATING THE NAP
People that violate the NAP deserve to get shot in the brain, ie. communists such as yourself.

[Anonymous No.50603882]

>>50603787
and where are they now? oh right, they FAILED
lets not pretend there haven't been countless examples of fascism other then you're rose tinted glasses fantasy nazis. it's a system thathas been tried nd failed many times. always ends the same way, some psycho goes mad with all the power no man could ever wield without going insane and he goes on a fucking unhinged murderspree. every facist does this, it always FAILS

you know what happens to good men when you give them absolute power? they become evil. every. fucking. time.

when will we finally learn
all we can do
is FAIL

[Anonymous No.50603892]

>>50603861
>You are only capitalist because you strive to keep down others in a world of dispair
I'm a capitalist because I am against human suffering.
Socialists enjoy watching others suffer in poverty and death.

>Only hoping one day that you will be the boss of others
Nah, economic freedom helps the poor far far more than any other system. I don't care about becoming a boss.

>YET you still defined a system that exploits you
Dude you're a literal socialist. lol

[Anonymous No.50603900]

>>50603882
Fascism is a self-eating ideology that only strives for perfection but ends up destroying itself in the process

[Anonymous No.50603901]

>>50603861
also
pic is fucking lenin
LOL
The guy that caused more workers to suffer and die than most dictators in history. hahaha

[Anonymous No.50603916]

>>50603900
if you look at it's origins, fascism is just another form of socialism, lets be real here

[Anonymous No.50603921]

>>50601698
>I will not get a job
>I will not buy your bags
>I will not contribute positively in any way to any system
>Sneed and seed
Basically get fucked

[Anonymous No.50603939]

>>50603892
>I am against human suffering.
Captialism is suffering why do you think so many men in modern us are suicidal why do you think so many people are materialistic

Umm let me guess

CAPITALISM

>>50603892
>economic freedom helps the poor far far more than any other system

Explain how the process of capitalism is exploitation

>>50603892
>Dude you're a literal socialist. lol
Am actually a communist but go on

[Anonymous No.50603942]

>>50603822
>What propaganda?
I was referring to you saying I am falling for propaganda

>What I believe is entirely against what the establishment wants people to believe.
you're a 4chan flavored npc, don't delude yourself, you're an amalgam of the rampant schizophrenia on this site - you refuse to look at what works because you're a fucking moron idealogue

>Nigger. I already told you I am against this central banking nightmare.
yet I am 100'% sure you think Bernie Sanders is the devil
monster cucked

>lmao socialists are actually fucking brainwashed, they get their shit stolen by the state and then pretend it's "free"
why are all tax is theft npcs first order thinking shitwits? It's absolutely crazy how little thought you must be putting into this
taxes is the cure for tragedy of the commons-esque problems like providing base necessities and infrastructure; *I* benefit from my country benefitting - the net result is that ONLY THE VERY WEALTHY lose, and them losing is FAIR, because making money is exponentially easier once you have wealth
KEK

>LMAO listen to yourself you hypocritical bootlicking clown
NO ARGUMENT FOUND, SERF

[Anonymous No.50603952]

watching the zealots of failed systems bicker back and forth about which failed system failed the most is hilarious and pathetic. fuck your isms

[Anonymous No.50603966]

>>50603892
I like how half of these are true
>The USA keeps toppling successful Lat Am socialists
Maybe you missed the news about Bolivia a couple years ago?
And yeah, a house is personal property, not private, learn the difference.
In an ancap society you can own a house, but someone with more weapons can just steal it. Who is gonna stop them? A government? gtfo commie

[Anonymous No.50603971]

>>50603952
>democratic socialism - THRIVING
>WE TRIED IT ALL, NOTHING WORKS

[Anonymous No.50603994]

>>50603939
>Captialism is suffering
Capitalism is a marxist strawman argument that oversimplifies economic systems to manipulate gullible morons like yourself.
>why do you think so many men in modern us are suicidal
Because socialism-inspired government intervention like central banking etc creates poverty and makes us work much harder than we have to.

>CAPITALISM
Your brain is completely rotted out and you can only thing in terms of oversimplified terms with no nuance or complexity.

>Explain how the process of capitalism is exploitation
What? It's not.
Learn what time preference is. Learn how Bohm Bawerk refuted marx.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx_and_the_Close_of_His_System
Learn that the more economic freedom a country has, the better off it's workers are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_economic_freedom

>Am actually a communist but go on
Communists are socialists.
All communists deserve to die, simple as.

[Anonymous No.50603996]

>>50603971
LOL
buddy i've spent half my life on a waiting list for healthcare you can't convince me this shit works. and all democracies are horribly corrupt pick-a-puppet shitshows. just stop

[Anonymous No.50604020]

our best hope is to genetically engineer some superintelligent dolphins and pass the torch of power to them because i am convinced mankind is completely and utterly incapable of governing itself

[Anonymous No.50604024]

>>50603942
>you refuse to look at what works
Social democracies don't work.
The countries in europe with the freest markets have the best conditions like Switzerland.

>yet I am 100'% sure you think Bernie Sanders is the devil
LMFAO You defend bernie and you call me cucked.
You'd rather destroy all energy production and have to wageslave 80 hour weeks because food is too expensive and you call me cucked?

>taxes is the cure for tragedy of the commons-esque problems
No it fucking isn't. It creates these problems.
Property rights is the only cure to the tragedy of the commons.
> like providing base necessities and infrastructure
You massively overpay for these things

>NO ARGUMENT FOUND, SERF
You literally defend central banks lmfao

[Anonymous No.50604026]

>various forms of bootlickers argue over phrases within the political left-right dichotomy because... WELL JUST BECAUSE OK

[Anonymous No.50604034]

>>50603996
>overwhelmingly functional with happy citizenry
>NOOOOO NOT HECKIN IMPERFECTIONS
touch grass, achieve non-schizo balanced perspective

[Anonymous No.50604072]

>>50604034
imperfections? buddy every democracy comes down to demon infested psychopathic puppets of other psychopath fucking demons. its not a minor imperfection that our only option is to vote for the lesser of two evils both run by the same evil. its just shit. everything is bad and we should feel bad about it because fundamentally at its core none of us could do any better, we would become corrupt, we would fail. all humans fail. we cannot govern ourselves

[Anonymous No.50604100]

>>50603966
>Maybe you missed the news about Bolivia a couple years ago?
kek Bolivia was still a shithole. They were only doing half okay because of a natgas boom.

Why was Venezuela such a failure? The country that turned a third of it's economy into worker co-ops that mostly failed?

>a house is personal property, not private, learn the difference.
Nobody gives a single fuck about your made up authoritarian property definitions.

>Who is gonna stop them?
polycentric court enforcement
It literally worked countless times in history and I already gave many examples

[Anonymous No.50604121]

>>50601698
>>50604072
First of all, a housing voucher program, even an ambitious one, is not going to result in universal housing.

Secondly, it's bad policy. Widespread housing vouchers aren't going to solve homelessness- they're more likely to simply raise rent instead.

Thirdly, it's a market impossibility. Say we gave every American enough cash to buy a house. Let's use the median home value of $374,900. So for 330 million Americans, that would cost us about 123.5 quadrillion dollars. Let's set aside the obvious fact that this would completely explode the housing market immediately, and just say for the sake of discussion that housing costs remain the same.

Well then you're still getting homeless people in San Francisco, New York, LA, Seattle, Portland, since the 374k is simply not enough to buy a house there. They could rent for a while, sure. And meanwhile in places like West Virginia, everyone could buy at least like 3 houses with that much cash. When some places in the US has houses that cost 100 times more than in other places, it's silly to expect a national plan that would work for everybody.

And finally, the price of houses is not the biggest impediment to housing. There have been programs where homeless people have been straight-up given houses or apartments. While this has the potential to be a life-saving intervention for some people, for other people it's completely useless. Many people, especially those suffering from severe mental disabilities or conditions, are simply not capable of handling the responsibilities and associated costs of home ownership, at least not without help or some positive change in their current conditions.

Conclusion? Better to make it first, own the house, be the house owner you want to be on the world. Or better yet invest your whole life savings on QOM, i know i did, im just 1 (ONE) pump away from a reliable house

[Anonymous No.50604137]

>>50604024
>Social democracies don't work.
COPE, I live in one, it is relatively speaking utopia

>You'd rather destroy all energy production and have to wageslave 80 hour weeks because food is too expensive and you call me cucked?
meds now please I have no idea what the fuck you are saying

>NOOO IM NOT AN NPC IM ANTI ESTABLISHMENT
>SANDERS?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?
if you're """""anti establishment""""" maybe you should support politicians with character you absolute CORPORATE KEK

>>taxes is the cure for tragedy of the commons-esque problems
>Property rights is the only cure to the tragedy of the commons.
XDXDKXDDXKDXKDXMKKMDXKMDXKMDX you aren't even trying at this point, just fuck off, honestly an order of magnitude too dumb to have this conversation, pls go
"please pay for my healthcare and education my corporate overlords, you have my best interest at heart. you won't just pay me a pittance to slave away for some bankers, right?"
"anti establishment" HAHAHAHA

>You massively overpay for these things
no, and even if I did, it beats the alternative

[Anonymous No.50604139]

>>50604121
the actual solution is to abolish zoning, rent control and central banking(which creates housing bubbles)

[Anonymous No.50604153]

>>50603892
You aren't a capitalist you are just a wage cuck working at walmart.

[Anonymous No.50604156]

>>50601698
Easy to make this thread when your belly is full. Just don't kill yourself when all cryptos crash.

[Anonymous No.50604166]

humanity as beautiful as it is has this small little patch of rot at its core. its not going away. we have to learn to live with it instead of pretending we can just try one ism or another to get rid of it. power is a curse, it destroys the heart of anyone who touches it. its a burden. and anyone we hoist that burden on to will become evil. its time we realize that all our leaders, whatever political or economic system we choose, are evil or will become evil. period. stop pretending it isnt true. the burden of power must be spread out far and wide, no more leaders, no more elected representatives. its too much power on too few people to carry the load. the issue though with direct democracy is tyranny of the masses and centralized control over the primary media and education services brainwashing people into becoming retarded so i guess that won't work either. maybe decentralize that as well. decentralize everything. worth a fucking shot what else are we going to do the same shit that we've already tried and failed in the past?

[Anonymous No.50604182]

>>50604072
>>50604034
read it again

[Anonymous No.50604183]

>>50604137
>COPE, I live in one, it is relatively speaking utopia
you're fucking brainwashed lmao
Reminder that Swedes living in USA have higher living standards than Swedes in Sweden.
Reminder that Switzerland has the higher living standards than any of these shithole social democracies.

>meds now please
It's fucking accurate though. This is what his policies would have created. This is what you bootlicking manchildren desire. It's like you think we don't need energy or production and we can just tax the rich to pay for stuff. You idiots think inflation is a good thing.

>if you're """""anti establishment""""" maybe you should support politicians with character
Like RON PAUL instead of authoritarian pro-establishment, pro-WAR shills like bernie?
you people are so fake

>XDXDKXDDXKDXKDXMKKMDXKMDXKMDX
Meds.
>just fuck off,
Cry harder. I am correct.

>"please pay for my healthcare and education my corporate overlords, you have my best interest at heart. you won't just pay me a pittance to slave away for some bankers, right?"
LMFAO you LITERALLY WORSHIP CENTRAL BANKS HAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.50604197]

>>50604153
I support a free market absolutist dictatorship where people who support democracy are removed from society(exile preferably). Just read Hoppe.

[Anonymous No.50604201]

>>50604183
>guys hear me out corporations will totally fill in the gap if we stop paying taxes!!!!
>all we need is property rights!!!

[Anonymous No.50604228]

>>50604201
>>guys hear me out corporations will totally fill in the gap if we stop paying taxes!!!!
But it literally worked historically lmao
https://www.amazon.com/Mutual-Aid-Welfare-State-Fraternal/dp/0807848417
also pic related
healthcare used to be cheap before government made it expensive

>>all we need is property rights!!!
Yes, this has worked every time it's been tried.

[Anonymous No.50604251]

>>50601782
Yep probably some weeb black rock investor.
You have to be a special breed of trash to say people cant have a house, peasent in the 1200s had houses.

[Anonymous No.50604262]

>>50604166
but it can't be an overnight transition. frankly we're all too fucking stupid. it will take generations. it will take time. but we must make the shift. decentralized autonomous organizations have the problem of becoming centralized behind whoever holds the most coin but its almost the right idea. we need to begin moving more and more power away from leaders and on to the blockchain. while also being aware of the threat of quantum computing and ai. it's a tall order, thats why i suggest this as a generational project. its not perfect nothing ever will be, but at least it would be trying something new, slowly and carefully over time.

[Anonymous No.50604274]

>>50604201
Tell me why you love central banks so much? Why do you enjoy working 40 hour weeks for very little disposable income?

[Anonymous No.50604287]

>>50604228
>dude the 19th and 20th century was the american hayday!!
>The average tax rate on the 0.1 percent highest-income Americans was 50.6 percent in the 1950s, compared to 39.8 percent today. The average tax rate on the top 0.01 percent was 55.3 percent in the 1950s, compared to 40.8 percent today.

>le governments made it expensive
just fucking stop LMAO

[Anonymous No.50604310]

>>50604274
you see I don't have "little disposable income" because I live in a country where my base needs are subsidised and even if I was a minimum wagie (I'm not, I make 150k/yr) I'd be making a respectable wage

[Anonymous No.50604330]

>>50604287
>>The average tax rate on the 0.1 percent highest-income Americans was 50.6 percent in the 1950s, compared to 39.8 percent today. The average tax rate on the top 0.01 percent was 55.3 percent in the 1950s, compared to 40.8 percent today.
>repeating the "taxes on the rich were higher in the 50s lie"
It's incredible that almost everything you people believe regarding politics is either a lie or simply false.
Learn what effective taxes are.
https://taxfoundation.org/taxes-on-the-rich-1950s-not-high/

Also, do you think Switzerland should massively raise it's taxes so it could be as high as USA? Why would they intentionally destroy their economy and make workers suffer just so you can get a boner?

>just fucking stop LMAO
Then why was it very inexpensive before the government got involved? Why did free market mutual aid societies have cheap healthcare?

[Anonymous No.50604350]

>>50601698
Real estate should not be a speculative asset, leech
/thread, I win

[Anonymous No.50604352]

>>50604310
>I live in a country where my base needs are subsidised
kek, you have almost no freedom and almost everything you make goes to the state to pay for a bloated welfare state that doesnt even benefit you
fucking cuckold

Swedes in America have far more disposable income and success than Swedes in Sweden.
Workers in free market Switzerland have far higher real wages than workers in Scandinavian countries.
The more free market a country is, the higher living standards for workers are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_economic_freedom

[Anonymous No.50604360]

>>50604350
Central banks have brainwashed you retards so fucking much.
You wouldn't even be making statements like this if the fed hadn't created a housing bubble.

[Anonymous No.50604387]

>>50604197
AKA: You support authoritarianism and fascism. luckily you're the minority in society now.

[Anonymous No.50604394]

>>50604350
Based

[Anonymous No.50604400]

>>50604330
>source: freedomkeys.com
jesus christ, man

[Anonymous No.50604404]

>>50604360
Of course there's no way that a society predicated upon the production of capital could ever have brainwashed you through its education program that you spent 18 years of your life going through, nope.

[Anonymous No.50604406]

>>50604387
>AKA: You support authoritarianism
How? Democracy is authoritarianism. Using the state to suppress democracy and to support individual rights is by definition NOT authoritarian.

>and fascism
What? I already told you I am NOT a socialist LOL

[Anonymous No.50604417]

>>50604406
>Democracy is authoriatarianism

Right right so having 1 person control everything in life is freedom right? Talk about real true double speak.

>What? I already told you I am NOT a socialist LOL

Wow good one bro *Airhorn*

[Anonymous No.50604425]

>>50604400
cope
Really now.
You think healthcare was always insanely expensive?
Are you an idiot?

[Anonymous No.50604456]

>>50604404
>Of course there's no way that a society predicated upon the production of capital
This is bad now?
So we shouldn't generate capital and just live hand to mouth in absolute poverty?
> through its education program
You mean GOVERNMENT EDUCATION?
Meaning the system YOU support?
Big HMMMMMMMM!!!

>>50604417
>Right right so having 1 person control everything in life is freedom right?
When did I say I wanted one party rule? A multi party republic where democracy is banned and free markets are a requirement to be a politician is ideal.

>Wow good one bro *Airhorn*
Thank you.
Learn the history of the syndicalist movement, retard.

[Anonymous No.50604490]

>>50604456
Yes the government education that supports a captialist narrative. Our government is a pro capitalist government you retarded faggot.What do you think they are going to do? Not teach people to become perfect workers who cuck themselves out to authority? Why do you think we were never taught the history of labor in this country.

Governments are not independent of class relationships you stupid faggot they are predicated upon whatever ruling class exists in society at the time.

You're dumb.

>When did I say I wanted one party rule? A multi party republic where democracy is banned and free markets are a requirement to be a politician is ideal.

Who said anything about parties? You want authoritarian control, and rul of the work place, kek. Fuck party politics.

>Learn the history of the syndicalist movement, retard.

Learn history at all retard.

[Anonymous No.50604502]

>>50604360
Nothing you said made sense. If homes weren't treated as speculative assets, all homes would be affordable, no one would be priced out, and that would literally fix all poverty issues meaning no more need for welfare, less divorces, less crimes, more buying power (which would stimulate the economy), less leverage for employers and more for employees as people would be less dependent for survival, etc.
Thing is I have a brain so I'm able to think more than one step ahead. My idea would literally fix 99% of the problems. Yours is what causes them. Have fun burning in hell after you die.

[Anonymous No.50604514]

>>50604330
you can't even read your own fucking link
taxes were still 5.6% higher then than now verbatim quote from your dumb fucking precanned /pol/ schizo folder

>switzerland
highest min wage in the world
imagine if they went full corporate serf like you, country would fucking die over the next 100 years from domestic instability as more and more people get exploited by a handful of people in suits

>>50604352
>that doesnt even benefit you
lmao I was a fucking NEET loser until 21 but since education is free (they even pay you ~1k a month while you study) I actually went - I owe everything to my country
and even when I was a NEET I was worry-free - roof over my head, an assurance I could always get an education, and that I didn't need health insurance
fuck you serf, I love my country and my countrymen

[Anonymous No.50604541]

>>50604490
>Yes the government education that supports a captialist narrative.
FUCKING LMAO

It supports an anti-capitalist, pro-state narrative.
>pro capitalist government
There is no such thing.
>Not teach people to become perfect workers who cuck themselves out to authority?
This is what socialists desire.
Again, it's state run socialist education. Stop complaining about the results of your favorite system.
>Why do you think we were never taught the history of labor in this country.
LMFAO AHAHAHA
Bro, this is ALL you burgers are taught. Every fucking american I talk to never shuts up about labor history and muh gilded age muh pinkertons, muh rockefeller whenever I get into these arguments.

>Governments are not independent of class relationships
Marxist class analysis is a meme and means nothing.
>ruling class
KEK oh shit you're actually a marxist. lmfao imagine being this much of a bootlicking manchild

>You're dumb.
You're a fucking marxist who hasn't read bohm bawerk yet.

>You want authoritarian control
I want individual rights protected. I don't care how this happens. It's literally the opposite of authoritarianism.

>Learn history at all retard.
You still don't know that fascism developed from syndicalism lmao

[Anonymous No.50604557]

>>50604502
>If homes weren't treated as speculative assets
Then hardly any new homes would be made.
>all homes would be affordable,
No, they would be super expensive because the supply would be a lot lower.

You're so cucked by central banks you don't even know that they created the bubble and made housing unaffordable lmao

>more buying power (which would stimulate the economy),
The economy doesn't need to be "stimulated" you keynesian faggot. Also this would just cause inflation.

>My idea would literally fix 99% of the problems.
Said every economic illiterate 12 year old ever.

[Anonymous No.50604588]

imaging trying to justify getting anything for free in a world with browns staining white countries
maybe start by cleaning up the shitskin problem if you want anybody to take you seriously

[Anonymous No.50604594]

>>50604514
>taxes were still 5.6% higher
WHOOAAAAAAA BIG DEAL
Leftists repeat the lie that they were like 90% or some shit and they're like 5% or something now. It isn't even true.

>highest min wage in the world
FUCKING KEK
Is this the hill you are dying on?
First off, something like 95% of workers make far above the minimum wage. Secondly, it's only "high" relative to other currencies because the Swiss franc is one of the most highly valued currencies in the world because their central banks are actually not cucks for once and don't destroy the value of their money.
You're so fucking dumb.

>imagine if they went full corporate serf like you,
Switzerland is literally the most capitalist country on earth and yet workers have the highest living standards.
This fact only makes you seethe.

>exploited
I'm sure the warehouse worker in Switzerland making 100k USD a year with no union is crying about being exploited.

> was a fucking NEET loser until 21 but since education is free
Education is ALREADY free. It's the government that makes the certification of being "educated" cost so much money.

>fuck you serf,
You're literally a fucking serf and you openly defend central banking lmfao

[Anonymous No.50604612]

>>50604557
>Then hardly any new homes would be made.
wrong. If this were a totalitarian system and I were the leader, I'd simply make it the government's job to handle construction of homes and I'd have homes priced on material and labor aka fair value. I wouldn't allow them to be flipped like some shitcoin.
>No, they would be super expensive because the supply would be a lot lower.
Nope. Read above.
>You're so cucked by central banks you don't even know that they created the bubble and made housing unaffordable lmao
You're so retarded that you can't think outside the box, kek
>The economy doesn't need to be "stimulated" you keynesian faggot.
Nigger take. My idea would cause economic prosperity. How the FUCK is that a bad thing? You want GDP to remain the same or worsen with a growing population? Fucking retard.
>Also this would just cause inflation.
Read above. You're a fucking dumbass
>Said every economic illiterate 12 year old ever.
Not an argument, baboon

[Anonymous No.50604630]

>>50604557
Also LOL. You ignored my take on poverty and how real estate is the number one cause of it. Nice cherry picking, fucking faggot

[Anonymous No.50604647]

>>50604612
>I'd simply make it the government's job to handle construction of homes
Yes, because central planning has never been tried and socialism will magically work when you are the leader.
Wow you really are 12 years old.
>fair value.
fucking lmao, enjoy your housing shortages
>You're so retarded that you can't think outside the box, kek
This is projection, kek
Central banks have brainwashed the shit out of you.
What "box"?
Your ideas have tried and failed a million times.
>Nigger take.
High time preference is a nigger take.
>My idea would cause economic prosperity.
No it wouldn't. It literally never works.
>Read above. You're a fucking dumbass
You have no argument.

>>50604630
>You ignored my take on poverty and how real estate is the number one cause of it.
If you weren't an absolute retard you would know that I agree with you on this point.
Enjoy starving to death with hyperinflation.

[Anonymous No.50604760]

>>50604647
>Yes, because central planning has never been tried and socialism will magically work when you are the leader.
>Wow you really are 12 years old.
Not an argument. You make it sound like there's only one way of doing things. You also ignore how the current system is worse. LOL. Completely FUCKED real estate market, but let's just ignore that, huh, faggot?
>fucking lmao, enjoy your housing shortages
Illiterate cunt. There wouldn't be a shortage with my idea :). You couldn't even process the argument. Also even IF there were (there wouldn't), I wouldn't have the price of the home be based off of the amount of homes. I'd have it priced off of the material and labor itself.
>This is projection, kek
You literally are defending the status quo. That's not projecting, fucking retard
>Central banks have brainwashed the shit out of you.
You keep repeating this shit as if it adds to the argument in any way, LOL
>What "box"?
Are you fucking kidding me? It's an expression. How old are you exactly?
>Your ideas have tried and failed a million times.
No, they haven't :)
>High time preference is a nigger take.
What the FUCK is "high time preference"? Speak english.
>No it wouldn't. It literally never works.
Yes, it would. Saying "no it won't because I said so" isn't an argument. Again the current status quo leads to speculative bullshit which can be seen in real time.
>You have no argument.
I do. You just don't know how to counter it :)
>If you weren't an absolute retard you would know that I agree with you on this point.
Yet you defend the current real estate system where it's treated as a speculative asset. Are you a fucking RETARD? You're a walking contradiction
>Enjoy starving to death with hyperinflation.
Not an argument

You write so much bullshit just to say nothing of value.

[Anonymous No.50604785]

>>50603446
>anons point out low-effort thread that has been simultaneously spammed across multiple boards
>y-you're a tranny!!!! Guys, do I fit in yet?!

[Anonymous No.50604789]

>>50601698
That's a very cartoonish demand but I don't think the concept of no preconditions is the worst. Maybe mandate a piss test but if the objective is to fix homelessness, you want as few barriers as possible to applying for such housing options.

1 bedroom kitchen combo, 1 bath, and maybe a storage/closet space. Something in the realm of 500 or 600 square feet max is more than enough for a person to "live in" and have a little bit of dignity while they're getting back on their feet.
>this will lower home values in the area!
Will it lower them more than having fucking homeless encampments behind the bypass? Unless you want to go the other route and make homelessness illegal so you can throw all the homeless in prison. If you do that though, it's also fairly costly at around 75k if you throw them in a conventional prison.
>So they get to stay in the home forever, without paying any rent or utilities?
Technically yes, but the home will be just big enough for them to subsist on and not be preyed upon by other people. The small size will encourage people to get back on their feet if they can. If they're disabled or mentally ill or otherwise can't work, this will be an option so they don't end up homeless again.
>I don't want my tax dollars going to homeless people
It already does. Also, we just sent 40 billion dollars to Ukraine. For less than 5 million dollars you could put together a small apartment complex that could house up to 20 people. That estimate is for conventional apartments. If you streamline construction and don't add in multiple luxurious amenities you could probably get a place together that houses 40 or 50 people for 5 million depending on local development costs.

[Anonymous No.50604811]

>>50601698
society owes everyone a house

deal with it

[Anonymous No.50604815]

>>50604760
>You make it sound like there's only one way of doing things.
Your way of doing things has provided nothing but commieblocks at best and homelessness at worst.
>You also ignore how the current system is worse.
It's not. This shitty central bank system is better than total authoritarian central planning of housing.
> There wouldn't be a shortage with my idea
How? MAGIC?
lmao every time government gets involved in these things there are massive shortages
>You couldn't even process the argument. Also even IF there were (there wouldn't),
HAHA You're so full of shit. You HAVE to be 12.
>You literally are defending the status quo.
You're lying and ignoring my argument.
Projector.
>You keep repeating this shit
Because it's true and it makes you seethe lol
>Are you fucking kidding me?
Holy FUCK you're an actual retard. You didn't even read the next time to understand what I meant by that.
>No, they haven't
HAHAHAHAHAHA Ya bro socialism will totally work this time
>What the FUCK is "high time preference"?
LMFAO HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_preference
>Yes, it would. Saying "no it won't because I said so" isn't an argument.
You are saying "yes it would because I said so
>Again the current status quo leads to speculative bullshit
I agree. You're too dumb to understand how central banks are doing this though.
>You just don't know how to counter it
You don't have an argument. You keep saying "I'M RIGHT, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, SOCIALISM WILL WORK WHEN I AM IN CHARGE EVEN THOUGH IT FAILED EVERY SINGLE TIME BEFORE ME"
>Yet you defend the current real estate system
I don't. Why are you lying?
>You're a walking contradiction
You're actually too low IQ to understand my argument.

>You write so much bullshit just to say nothing of value.
Now THIS is projection. Listen to yourself shitstain.
If you actually tried to use violence to take over construction companies and ban people from building their own fucking houses, the people would rise up to kill you.

[Anonymous No.50604818]

>>50602262
none of this was a problem until manipulating money became more profitable than creating real value

[Anonymous No.50604826]

>>50604811
okay, start building the houses then, stop doing things you want to do and start making houses for people

[Anonymous No.50604827]

>>50601698
If society cannot guarantee everyone a house - the absolute base minimum requirement for life - then society has failed

[Anonymous No.50604833]

>>50603201
https://youtube.com/shorts/00jOE-x8FMM

[Anonymous No.50604846]

>>50604833
based mentiswave poster
also check out praxben and MRHlegacy

[Anonymous No.50604875]

>>50602152
>capitalism is corporations destroying competition by buying all of an essential utility and jacking up the price
yes

[Anonymous No.50604886]

>>50604875
this has absolutely nothing to do with the post you replied to but ok retard

[Anonymous No.50604923]

>>50604815
1. Making shit up. My idea is superior to the current system as it wouldn't price people out and wouldn't have "speculative gains" be the incentive to home construction
2. You keep using "central bank" as an argument when I've made no mention of them. You're a retard saying random nonsensical shit
3. What do you mean magic? Read point 1, fucking dumbass. This is how I know you're not processing what I'm saying. That's also why I said if I ruled it would be different. Boomer jewish fucks are corrupt and incompetent. Simple as. Everything they do is a waste of tax payer money. Just because baby boomer jewish fucks can't do anything right doesn't mean no governments of any kind shouldn't exist. It just means baby boomer jewish fucks should play no role in it.
4. You argue like a child and yet you call me the 12 year old? Now this is projecting, kek
5. No I'm not, faggot. You literally defended the current status quo as you keep on saying speculative housing market is needed for the construction of new homes. Fucking hell, you're an idiot.
6. No. It's random and irrelevant
7. No because there was nothing to understand. I used an expression "think outside the box" and you said "what box"? I simply mean thinking outside the current status quo, but you're slow as shit so you couldn't process that. And you call me the retard? LMFAO
8. "hahaha" is not an argument
9. Not an argument
10. No, I am saying it would because my idea = real estate wouldn't be speculative anymore. You have no argument besides saying random bullshit about "central banks"??? and "muh socialism bad!". Kek. Not even full on socialism either. Only when it comes to real estate. Probably would do this for healthcare too because universal healthcare is cheaper and saves more lives, but that's another can of worms.
10. You're an idiot by thinking without central banks real estate would magically not be treated as a speculative asset anymore :)
11. Read 1, 3, 5, and 10

[Anonymous No.50604963]

>>50604815
12. You are. Read point 5. You literally said it is necessary for real estate to be speculative to incentivize home building so yes, you are defending the concept of real estate being a speculative asset, fucking retard. Fucking hell, you're slow
13. Not an argument
14.
>violence to take over construction companies
>violence
What in nigger hell are you talking about?
>and ban people from building their own fucking houses,
No, I'd allow them to build their own homes if they wanted to. When the fuck did I say otherwise?? If they own their own land (I'd restrict the possibility of a monopoly aka owning too much) the there's no issue. Them building their own home or not would not matter for my idea.
>the people would rise up to kill you.
You're a retard. Read above

Imagine having to make straw man arguments. LOL

[Anonymous No.50604995]

>>50604827
Yep
It also gives 99% of the leverage to employers because employees would be the desperate ones aka what the current system is doing. With affordable real estate, employees would have the leverage and employers would have to incentivize employees with better pay, conditions, and hours/flexibility. Employees would have more buying power from better net pay (no longer getting fucked by a mortgage) and that in turn would cause more consuming which would stimulate businesses.

Real estate being speculative is the root to all evil.

[Anonymous No.50605038]

>>50604995
and no more welfare would be needed either. No poverty. Less crime rates. Less drug addicts. Less divorces. Less mental health issues. Lower barrier to entry for jobs and also more training since again employers would be the desperate ones and wouldn't be able to be as picky.
Truly a utopia without the shitty speculative real estate market of today.
Speculative real estate is the root of all evil.

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>>50601782
>>50601799
>>50601902
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[Anonymous No.50605384]

>>50603635
While I agree, don't mix economic forms of market making and political government structure. You can "vote" for communism just like you can have a king demand a free market on his lands.
But yes, the problems is bad actors and greed popping up out of any society, this isn't even racial per se.
Where's the root problem though? I have several ideas.
It appears that bodies to be governed are getting bigger, making things more multi-faceted and decisions harder. Technology advanced and somewhere in the chain is a poor bastard with a high workload, so his deadlines get tighter. You are constantly blasted with shit demanding your attention. Attention spans got MKUltra'd for a lot of the pop. So who the fuck has time to be a proper politically inclined person anymore? Come home from your office wagie crunch and all you want is relax so you turn on a screen. Public opinion is force fed or you avoid it by internet consumption. When was the last time you had a good talk about politics with a stranger from your community? Where the fuck does this even happen anymore, I am 31 and would like to visit the Forum or a market place, and NO, twatter is NOT that. 4chan is kinda close but it needs to be local enough, otherwise it's overwhelmingly too many topics.

We have a high disparity between regions able to produce stuff and regions where people actually live, this is where meme jobs come from. Understanding of money and value is warped beyond fuck. So will be any government you try to build on this fuckfest, conglomerating tons of clay into single governments doesn't help this at all, it only causes wealth disparities now country-wide. Jewish banking is just fuel to this fire as well.
Humanity claims to be intelligent but it's all just a heterogenous mass guessing, shoving their tasks to others and fucking over strangers. This is why religion was important, even if you don't believe in mighty sky man, whatever his name.

[Anonymous No.50605651]

>>50605038
>>50604995
>>50604963
>>50604923
Based take.

[Anonymous No.50605839]

>>50604350
>should
The free market doesn't care about your fantasies about how the world "should" operate.

[Anonymous No.50605984]

>>50605839
Free market doesn't work for necessities, sweetie. Learn to think outside the box. It works for luxuries.
Imagine if I monopolized all the water in the world. I could abuse the fuck out of it and charge you all your disposable income. Imagine now if I owned all the junk food ever. It's not the same because you don't "need" junk food. You DO need a home. Luxury products can't create abuse because there is a choice. Necessities can hence why it doesn't work. It gives too much LEVERAGE to those with product. Learn the nuance between luxuries and necessities. Use your brain juices.

[Anonymous No.50606064]

>>50601698
Commie bait thread. We don't live under a capitalist system, only retarded communists erode the meaning of words so much as to just use "capitalism" as a buzzword meaning "whatever the economic system of the US is in the present moment", so they can pretend their stupid ass ideology is the solution when they actually don't understand the sequence of cause and effect that brought us to this point at all.

>>50602054
This nigger here is actually the OP, he posted OP as a strawman representing le cold hearted capitalist just so he could post this reply with another tag.

Commies are still the most econ illiterate boot licking faggots in existence, and politicians exploiting people like them is partially the root cause of most issues.

[Anonymous No.50606091]

>>50602986
Holy fuck you're retarded. Literally communism not capitalism.

Some form of state sure but not vaccine mandates and free money for niggers state. You need to watch V for Vendetta and stop being a demon man.

[Anonymous No.50606218]

>>50603053
You are severely politically illiterate

[Anonymous No.50606226]

>>50605384
>>50604789
>>50604166
The smartest replies never get any response. Anyway I liked your idea about a place to discuss politics, ir may be even a good business who knows? Just like a cafe but where people cant use electronics for example, and lare incentivised to talk. America would benefit from that, there is too much radicalism on both sides.

>>50604612
I feel that this anon is actually right.

[Anonymous No.50606244]

>>50601698
Communism is the ultimate feminine ideology
>I am owed a house
>I am owed free food
>I am owed free utilities
>I am owed free amenities
Marx was a closet tranny

[Anonymous No.50606300]

I read most of this thread and realized why I don't participate in debates outside of academy.

[Anonymous No.50606480]

>>50602340
The housing prices are so high because big business are buying all the real estate.

[Anonymous No.50606501]

Jannie here. The plan is to fill /biz/ with high quality content, like commie soijack bait threads, so this one will stay up.

[Anonymous No.50607519]

>>50604262
"we're all too fucking stupid"
This does sum it up, but people hate to hear it. If you bring it up as a talking point somewhere you can nicely weasel around it with "nobody has full, up to date information on EVERYTHING" which leads to guesstimates and derivatives, which in turn already guarantee mistakes to happen. This is why people in power usually want full control, they search for "the thing to blame" either in order to fix it (traditional) or in order to blame it officially (nigger tier "business" thought)

[Anonymous No.50607542]

I’m sorry was I supposed to say no to this?

[Anonymous No.50607569]

>>50601717
based /thread

[Anonymous No.50607616]

>>50601717

[Anonymous No.50607650]

>>50603383
>it was a lie
commiebros... why do we have to keep getting exposed as absolute lying clowns every time we try to shill...

[Anonymous No.50607658]

>>50607650
pic rel

[Anonymous No.50607674]

The thing I find funny about the commie mindstate is they think they're entitled to something without having to work for it. Like if we were to remove all the perks that come with civilization and went back to being hunter gatherers living in the woods they wouldn't have to work to survive.

Capitalism is more in tune with nature. You need to fight to survive.

Communism is some child fantasy where no one has to work and a massive self planting garden magically appears out of nowhere and the animals kill themselves for meat consumption, all of which sates everyone's appetite.

[Anonymous No.50607694]

>>50601698
>wanting to deregulate the housing market is somehow communism because it lowers the value

[Anonymous No.50608386]

It doesn't really matter whether you lean more capitalist or socialist.
All that matters is whether you're on the side of yourself and your family and your people, or whether you're a globalist cuck who is on the side of immigrants and strangers who all prioritise their own people and would never return the favour.

Glory to the defenders of their people and shame and disgrace to the traitors.

[Anonymous No.50608452]

>>50601698
Well to have someone deliver food to you, you need a man, living breathing functional human bean.
And to have a living breathing functional human bean he needs to have air, water, food and shelter.
Thats the reality of the matter.
He doesn't need a 1000 square meter mansion but he needs his house or apartment or living quarters.

Ironically you post the commie basedjak with your post, but the commies in USSR didnt have delusions that proletariat can live on the street. they built commie blocks because the reality is that men need living quarters to function properly.


So you are so far up our kike ass an so high on your own farts that you imagine a man can be a proper living functional human bean without living quarters.
May some somali immigrant stab you to death when you do not expect him.

[Anonymous No.50609506]

>>50603386
How come so many ancaps are christian or seem otherwise religious.

[Anonymous No.50609554]

>>50607674
>crude exposition of a low IQ take, as if it's a novel and earthshattering revelation
hello, niggerbrain

[Anonymous No.50609557]

>>50604827
Thats only if goal of society is not weed out the weak

[Anonymous No.50609692]

>>50604251
peasants in the 1200s were critical for the functioning of society, these days you could cull about half the population and things would actually improve

[Anonymous No.50611534]

>>50604923
>My idea is superior to the current system as it wouldn't price people out
Yes it would. If the supply is too low because central planning cannot keep up with demand then you're going to end up with a housing shortage, and very low quality homes, which is what happened every time this was tried. :)
>wouldn't have "speculative gains" be the incentive to home construction
Profit is the incentive to home construction. You're saying there should basically be no incentive and you have to BEG the government to make you a home.
>You keep using "central bank" as an argument when I've made no mention of them.
You fucking support them lmao.
You're too retarded to understand that central banks and government intervention is the reason houses are a speculative asset in the first place.
Without central banks housing prices would be coming down constantly. If you banned private housing construction/market, the inflation you create would just end up in other assets and you would want to retardedly ban those things as well because you're too dumb to see what the real problem is. :)
>What do you mean magic?
Because every time your idea was tried in history it DID lead to shortages and you are saying in your system it MAGICALLY won't because you're in charge and super special. :)
>You argue like a child
Obvious projection
>defended the current status quo
I hate the status quo. I just said it's better than a total ban on the housing market. You literally can not stop lying.
>and you said "what box"?
Yes. What "box"? My point was that you aren't coming up with any new ideas. You're just recycling old failed ones and thinking you are thinking outside the box lmao
>Not even full on socialism either.
So? Socialism fails in every way. Socialists need a bullet in their heads.
>universal healthcare is cheaper and saves more lives,
Fucking KEK you commies are so brainwashed it's unreal.
Free market healthcare is CHEAPER than the current American system AND socialized medicine.

[Anonymous No.50611753]

>>50604963
>>violence
>What in nigger hell are you talking about?
OH GOD LMFAO
You're actually this stupid.
What do you think government is? You're advocating using violence against anyone who attempts to buy/sell housing or build a house for profit.
>No, I'd allow them to build their own homes if they wanted to.
They just cannot build them for others for profit, which is how almost every single house gets build.
Enjoy your shortages. :)

>You're a retard. Read above
HAHA Yeah bro, people are going to totally accept being ruled by you without rising up to kill you, riiiiiggghhtt. :)

>>50604995
>With affordable real estate, employees would have the leverage and employers would have to incentivize employees with better pay, conditions, and hours/flexibility.
But you don't want affordable housing. You want a violent government monopoly on housing.

>cause more consuming which would stimulate businesses.
>MUUUSST CONSUUUMMMEEE
Keynesians are actually retarded holy shit.

>>50605038
>Speculative real estate is the root of all evil.
If central banks weren't making housing a speculative bubble, you wouldn't be making such retarded manchild claims. :)

>>50605651
It's not a based take, he wants to force you to live in a commieblock while you work 80 hours a week.

>>50605984
>Free market doesn't work for necessities, sweetie.
fucking LMFAO
So the free market doesn't work for food and the government should monopolize it like in the ussr, maoist china, cambodia etc?
Read a history book. The complete opposite of what you believe is wrong.
Enjoy your famines.
>Imagine if I monopolized all the water in the world.
The government already fucking does this lmao
Also a free market means massive competition, not monopolies.
OH god you're actually retarded or 12 years old.

[Anonymous No.50611812]

>>50606064
>Commie bait thread. We don't live under a capitalist system, only retarded communists erode the meaning of words so much as to just use "capitalism" as a buzzword meaning "whatever the economic system of the US is in the present moment", so they can pretend their stupid ass ideology is the solution when they actually don't understand the sequence of cause and effect that brought us to this point at all.
Actually intelligent poster.

Anyone who uses the term "capitalism" is a leftist shill.

>>50606480
No, they're expensive because the central bank print trillions of dollars which ended up creating a housing bubble.

>>50609506
Half of us are, half are not.
I'm not.
Christian ancaps think natural law comes from god or something.

[Anonymous No.50612282]

>>50601944
Kek

[Anonymous No.50612314]

>>50601698
ok bot

[Anonymous No.50612359]

>>50605055
bot

[Anonymous No.50612898]

>>50602986
all of the communist countries have a 0.1% oligarchs that control/own everything, one might even say that is the entire point of pushing communism

[Anonymous No.50613024]

>>50612898
>we're only temporarily allowing stalin absolute power, he'll give that power to "the people" at some point trust us bro

[Anonymous No.50613053]

>>50612898
all capitalist countries have a 0.1% jewish oligarchy that control/own everything, one might even say that is the entire point of pushing capitalism.

[Anonymous No.50613143]

>>50602244
Fuck that, keep them quarantined. They’ll be dead instantly in any shtf scenario

[Anonymous No.50613166]

>>50603861
communism does not help others it's a blatant lie and you are retarded for not opening a book

[Anonymous No.50613234]

>>50603327
China is only on the rise since it started implementing more and more capitalistic market structure. Read a book and KYS commie tranny nigger

[Anonymous No.50613246]

>>50604137
you think a literal jew is anti establishment? obese mexicans over here have the same opinion as you

[Anonymous No.50613281]

>>50603682
>There are posts like this on r/longisland all the time. They literally think they deserve a home because they grew up there
Yes, keeping boomer housing bags inflated is more important than community cohesion and keeping extended families together. This is why the West is failing.

[Anonymous No.50613416]

>>50603695
Communism is perfectly compatible with currency. It's only about public ownership of the basic means of production i.e. land. Even before Marx took over the term completely communism was first and foremost about the abolition of landlordship

[Anonymous No.50613511]

>>50601698
>>SOCIETY OWES ME A HOUSE
Yes, doesn't need to be a mansion but it doesn't need to be a tent either.
Society is a collective, collectively it takes a village, a man with no home is a man with no wife and man with no wife, kids or family nor home has no reason to help society that shuns him.
>>50601698
>>I DELIVER UBER EATS PART TIME
Work is work, maybe build factories and farms that give a decent paycheck for young men to start family and stop having a gig economy that's essentially a glorified pony express.
>>50601698
>>HOUSES ARE TOO EXPENSIVE
Yes.
Plaster and ply wood shouldn't be expensive.
>>50601698
>>CAPITALISM HAS FAILED
Capitalism is a tool and much like all tools, guns/knives/hammers. All of these tools can and have been abused by man.
What now.

[Anonymous No.50613529]

>>50601944
checked kekd

[Anonymous No.50613532]

>>50601698
>capitalism is an irrational mode of production

[Anonymous No.50613559]

>>50601944
>>WHAT DO YOU MEAN JUST LIVE SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN LOS ANGELES OR NEW YORK?
I've lived in rural Canada, there's no jobs there unless you're friends with a family that owns the few businesses that are some how, still running.
Sorry, living in the woods won't help you get a job, you need to live near or at civilization.
Next retarded opinion.
>>50601944
>THAT ISN'T WHAT MARX WOULD'VE HECKIN WANTED!!!
Karl Marx was a drunk who never held down a job.
Next retarded opinion.

[Anonymous No.50613583]

>>50603201
It has, and it heckin worked

[Anonymous No.50613616]

>>50602054
>>Commies don't want to pay 500k for my house I paid 75k for
Yes.
>>50602054
>>That means they want a house for free
A free house would be nice but nothing is free.
>>50602054
>>That's literally communism
In a communist society they would build cheap commie blocks and let young men live their for cheap as long as said men held down a job or did something to benefit society.
Even Hitler built houses and commie blocks.
NEXT!
>>50602054
>>How dare these commies criticize capitalism
Capitalism is far superior to communism but Capitalism should be able to handle all forms of criticism, good or bad.
What better way to improve an ideology than political debate and a want to IMPROVE economic development and growth.

[Anonymous No.50613621]

>>50613511
to be fair to the pony express gig economy for some people, myself included, we'd never get past the hr hiring roasties to get a real job. so a job that accepts everyone and doesn't have a hiring process makes for a kind of safety net rather then total welfare. if you turned food delivery into a "real job" then all i'd have is welfare nobody will ever want me.

[Anonymous No.50613638]

>>50602152
Sadly, we need to fix our money, bring back generational homes, build cheap housing and stop having Neo Feudalism rule our economy.

[Anonymous No.50613666]

>>50603348
The Soviet Union increased its literacy rate from about 20% to over 95% in just over 20 years. The US still can't get over 90% and is trailing behind the former Soviet republics, literal economic shitholes. There's tons of reasons to complain about communist countries, them increasing literacy too slow is definitely not one of them

[Anonymous No.50613685]

>>50602244
There's 330 million people in the United States of America and over 15 million illegal immigrants.
There's 7 billion people on this planet earth.
No, sooner or later we either need to collectively agree to lower birth rates or enjoy living in crammed boxes.
Deal with it now or suffer later.
What are we to do when the human population goes to 14 billion? 21 billion? Just keep moving to the sticks? How many forests do you think we have left?

[Anonymous No.50613689]

https://www.hud.gov/topics/housing_choice_voucher_program_section_8

What are housing choice vouchers?

The housing choice voucher program is the federal government's major program for assisting very low-income families, the elderly, and the disabled to afford decent, safe, and sanitary housing in the private market. Since housing assistance is provided on behalf of the family or individual, participants are able to find their own housing, including single-family homes, townhouses and apartments.

The participant is free to choose any housing that meets the requirements of the program and is not limited to units located in subsidized housing projects.

Housing choice vouchers are administered locally by public housing agencies (PHAs). The PHAs receive federal funds from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) to administer the voucher program.

A family that is issued a housing voucher is responsible for finding a suitable housing unit of the family's choice where the owner agrees to rent under the program. This unit may include the family's present residence. Rental units must meet minimum standards of health and safety, as determined by the PHA.

A housing subsidy is paid to the landlord directly by the PHA on behalf of the participating family. The family then pays the difference between the actual rent charged by the landlord and the amount subsidized by the program. Under certain circumstances, if authorized by the PHA, a family may use its voucher to purchase a modest home.

[Anonymous No.50613726]

>>50602262
>Are there any other options other than capitalism or communism?
Maybe something nationalist and something socialist? I dunno man, maybe someone in the past already had an idea.

[Anonymous No.50613734]

>>50613666
First, terrifying digits.
Second, the US is plagued by millions of literally feral niggers living in our cities, as well as the backwaters in the rural blackbelt. There was no hope of ever teaching these sub 70 IQ animals to read.

[Anonymous No.50613767]

>>50603322
>No, that's literally fucking socialism.
Socialism is cooperative payments systems to help build and maintain infrastructure.
Or you know taxes.
Jesus fuck.

[Anonymous No.50613802]

>>50603201
Native Americans used to trade pemmican and salted fish for sea shells and used those sea shells to make jewelry for the bitches.
Bitches love sea shells.

[Anonymous No.50613830]

>>50613666
whats your source on those literacy rates? the state? they wouldnt have any incentive to lie about those numbers? you believe the official gdp numbers coming of of china as well?

[Anonymous No.50613860]

>>50603327
>took a nation of poor illiterate farmers to be the first in space
Holodomor.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
Sorry buddy, you need to realize not one system is perfect or without give and take.
You want a million man army? Hope you have food, water, medicine, women, beer and currency to keep them placated.
You need land to farm and they are NOT making more land.

[Anonymous No.50613865]

>>50603327
>own your own home
>communist

[Anonymous No.50613920]

>>50613666
>The Soviet Union increased its literacy rate from about 20% to over 95% in just over 20 years.
Yeah it's not that hard to learn to read.
>>50613666
>The US still can't get over 90%
That says more about Americans than the half Slavics, half Jewish communist of the USSR.
https://youtu.be/EAwfO4lKbts
Here's your USSR from the 90s my guy.

[Anonymous No.50614017]

>>50606064
>We don't live under a capitalist system
Real capitalism has never been tried, right?

[Anonymous No.50614022]

>>50613860
>holodomor
Far right myth.

[Anonymous No.50614037]

>>50613865
Watch my YouTube link, they would pull people out of homes and place the homeless into there and that is why today they have commie blocks.
I dunno how to fix the world but I can tell you how to fix America.
First things first? Stop making babies, stop saving lives.
Secondly, fix the money.
Third? Generational houses and cheap commie blocks.
Forth, jobs that are needed in day to day life, think farms, factories, you know? Production for life.
Fifth, lower taxes and lower tax spending by an large.

[Anonymous No.50614063]

>>50614022
I'm done talking to you.
You think famine in WW1/2 isn't real? Get the fuck out of here.

[Anonymous No.50614089]

>>50614063
Holodomor is about a state orchestrated genocide, not just some famine

[Anonymous No.50614094]

>to all retards shouting communist
controlling the housing supply to maintain the boomer ponzi scheme is not capitalism

[Anonymous No.50614123]

>>50614022
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor_denial

https://ukrainer.net/common-lies-about-the-holodomor/

“Food and all household items began to be issued by cards. The entire population was divided into 5 categories. The largest category was miners, metallurgists, and people of hard physical labour.” They were given 800 g of bread, 200 g of meat, a few fish, and a certain amount of butter per month. Several litres of oil and some porridge were provided. This was the minimum set of groceries for hard-working people.
Food rationing was a thing in Canada and the USA too, read a book.

[Anonymous No.50614167]

>>50601698
American niggercattle subhuman

[Anonymous No.50614176]

>>50614089
>state orchestrated genocide,
Yeah well Russia is pretty good at that, remember when they gunned down school kids to stop some terrorists? The spetznaz was involved I believe.

[Anonymous No.50614220]

>>50613734
Dude, the USSR was almost entirely East slavs. If there's one thing Leninist countries were good at its basic education on a massive scale

[Anonymous No.50614240]

>>50601698
society doesn't owe me a house, but i would appreciate if society stopped voting in people that inflate prices in all markets with haphazard monetary policy

[Anonymous No.50614280]

>>50614220
I would take 100 Eastern slavs over 10 feral American niggers.

[Anonymous No.50614282]

>>50613830
They are consistent with the numbers from NGOs from around the world and the successor States that mostly hated the USSR. Yes, there's a chance there's a huge worldwide conspiracy to hide the true literacy rates of a defunct state, but it seems pretty unlikely.

[Anonymous No.50614338]

>>50613920
I just corrected the guy above that capitalist Nations taught many more people how to read. Educating the masses was a huge communist prestige project and one they at least succeeded at on a basic level

[Anonymous No.50614484]

>>50613666
>The Soviet Union increased its literacy rate from about 20% to over 95% in just over 20 years.
So?
Capitalist countries increased literacy rates much faster and didn't have to kill millions of people to do it.
ALSO, the majority of industrial production in the USSR came from the capitalist west.
https://fee.org/articles/soviet-communism-was-dependent-on-western-technology

>>50614017
A reddit tankie wrote this.
How do you bootlickers still believe in communism? Why do you enjoy being enslaved and wageslaving?

>Real capitalism has never been tried, right?
It was tried many times in history and was extremely successful.

>>50614338
They only "educated" people into absolute obedience to the state. That was the purpose of the "literacy programs".

[Anonymous No.50614563]

>>50614484
They did not. Russia still has one of the highest literacy rates in the world and did it in less time than any other country on earth

[Anonymous No.50614735]

>>50605984
Free market works for literally everything and anything, from water to AI-driven sexbots.

[Anonymous No.50614853]

>>50601717
OP utterly blown the fuck out in first post. damb.

[Anonymous No.50614885]

>>50613511
>Society is a collective
No.

[Anonymous No.50615324]

>>50602262
>I feel these terms were made up very recently and I don't understand why people in the past before the "enlightenment" didn't argue about it.
This is a dangerous idea anon

[Anonymous No.50615495]

For the past year we've increasingly seen the effects of a society in which young men have no chance to create a future for themselves

>It's not good

[Anonymous No.50615515]

>>50601698
kek Pretty accurate.

[Anonymous No.50615544]

>>50601944
lmao and checked

[Anonymous No.50615545]

>>50614063
Of course famine is real, but the famine in the Ukraine was caused by a combination of drought and Kulaks literally killing their serfs and burning off the food instead of sharing it with starving people.

It makes absolutely zero sense for Stalin to starve those people for no reason.

[Anonymous No.50615547]

>>50603921
>I will never breed

[Anonymous No.50615575]

>>50614563
Wrong
Many other capitalist countries massively increased their literacy in much less time and didn't have to genocide millions of people to do it.
Kys commie

[Anonymous No.50615583]

Socialists like to pretend that it's the people who just want to keep what's theirs and decide what to do with it are the selfish ones, when they're the ones who quite literally want to arm and empower the state to forcibly take things from others to give to themselves. There's honestly nothing more selfish and short sighted than that, utter cancer mentality.

[Anonymous No.50615608]

>>50614017

[Anonymous No.50615762]

>>50615575
Name 2. I get that your ego is so fragile that the Soviets managing to do a single thing better than the US shatters your worldview, but numbers don't care about your feelings. Maybe you would have learned that in an eastern bloc elementary school

[Anonymous No.50615803]

>>50615583
>jpeg of your precious nigger beast
>jewish pilpul logic
hello, rabbi.

[Anonymous No.50615809]

>>50615762

LMAO, """""literacy""""" is another stat that a commie government can make up to their convenience. One country can define literacy as fluent reading/writing knowledge, another can have their moron monkey proles write out an alphabet and 1st grade tier sentences and call it a day.

Commies utterly ruined half of the world and you're still going to sit there and carry water for them you fucking rat

[Anonymous No.50615837]

>>50615803

And yet you're the niggerbrain piece of shit advocating for outcomes like this: >>50615809

If I could press a button and all commies would keel over and die right now I would. It would be immoral otherwise to let such destructive and murderous people influence the course of our societies and the fate of our children.

[Anonymous No.50615862]

>>50615837
i make and have more money than you, guaranteed.

[Anonymous No.50615884]

>>50615862

Guaranteed not you fucking shit for brains. I don't know a single living breathing soul on this planet who makes north of $80k and bothers whatsoever with commie/socialist philosophy. It's quite literally the ideology of envy and greed.

[Anonymous No.50615891]

>>50615575
You really have no idea what you are talking about. The tiny island nation of Cuba is also achieving amazing healthcare breakthroughs because they put a heavy emphasis on that. Communism is literally about reducing poverty, education for all, healthcare for all. And it achieves those things amazingly. Capitalism is about a few people having legions of slaves to cater to their every whim, and it achieves those things amazingly.

[Anonymous No.50615918]

>>50615891
the Soviets basically incubated cuba u retarded commie nigger. They just pouree money into it. Also healthcare at small size is easy af. try scaling it. Cuba doesnt hold a handle to capitalist north europe at the same population size.

[Anonymous No.50615921]

>>50615891

Cuba's other "stats:"

>cancer is cured
>hospital wait time is 0.0001 seconds
>average height of 6'8"
>average penis size of 10"

[Anonymous No.50615956]

>>50615891

>these people have a """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""99.8% literacy rate""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

I'm in tears anon. You probably also believe Kim Jong Un shot a 20 under par.

[Anonymous No.50615971]

>>50615918
Cuba is under sanctions by the largest economy in the world. Northern Europe has wealth because they steal from the world and make weapons for war. Norway went into Libya and stole a bunch of the oil after NATO took out Gadaffi and brought slavery back to the nation.

[Anonymous No.50616004]

>>50615971
>unironic commie
Brainlet, you're too dumb to succeed in any system.

[Anonymous No.50616029]

>>50615956
Before 1959, the literacy rate for Cuba was approximately 77%, as noted by UNESCO. This was the 4th highest rate in Latin America. The Cuban government of Fidel Castro at Che Guevara's behest dubbed 1961 the "year of education" and sent "literacy brigades" out into the countryside to construct schools, train new educators, and teach the predominantly illiterate guajiros (peasants) to read and write. By 1962, the country's literacy rate was 96%, one of the highest in the world.[3] In 2010, according to UNESCO, Cuba's literacy rate for those above the age of 15 was 99 percent. Economists at Oxford University's Our World In Data project (using a compilation of Oxford, World Bank, and UNESCO resources) calculated that, during that same 50-year period (1960–2010), Bolivia's literacy rate increased from 44 to 92 percent; Brazil's from 60 to 91 percent; Colombia's from 70 to 94 percent and Paraguay's from 73 to 94 percent. As of 2011, the median reported literacy rate for Latin America and the Caribbean was 93 percent.

[Anonymous No.50616037]

>>50615803
Are you retarded? Bolshevism is pure jewishness. You'd have to be utterly soulless to like it.

[Anonymous No.50616044]

>>50615971
Lol, let me guess, you are probably from a Latin American country or a woke white trash in a first world country.

[Anonymous No.50616064]

>>50614022
Jump off a building, commie vermin. do the world a favor

[Anonymous No.50616085]

>>50615884
>$80k
lmao. keep sucking shekelstein's cock for pennies, you miserable poor retard.

[Anonymous No.50616107]

>>50616029

Forcing everyone to learn how to read is called going for the lowest hanging fruit. What do they do with it? Live shit-poor, worse than an illiterate American warehouse worker. Dubious, authoritarian state stats aside, in a place bereft of freedom of information or state criticism, it's fucking useless. Who cares if you taught your horde of slave monkeys how to write a sentence?

Anon, go ahead and fucking move there. It isn't hard. They only keep people in, they don't disallow them from coming.

[Anonymous No.50616134]

>>50616085

Didn't say that was my salary. I said there isn't an ounce of chance that you make more than that. Imagine thinking anyone would be stupid enough to think a well adjusted successful adult in America or Europe would arbitrarily turn around and espouse communism for whatever reason.

It's the ideology of the envious, the fundamentally incapable. They see a free market, cower, and scheme on how to forcibly avert resources to themselves.

[Anonymous No.50616141]

>>50615971
Norway is filthy rich from natural oil reserves that predates libyan crisis. What a retard.
>>50616064
They are bunker trannies who have been trying to subvert biz and stop us from making it. They think itll bring their revolution faster lul

[Anonymous No.50616173]

>>50616141
and who owns Norway's oil. Private individuals or the state?

[Anonymous No.50616187]

>>50616107
The made people read so they could consume state propaganda. Notice how much books are in Cuba? It’s literally all state propaganda.

[Anonymous No.50616189]

>>50616134
>free market
doesn't exist, never will exist. regulatory capture, jewish cronyism, and exploitation of labor is the unavoidable fate of any capitalist economy.

[Anonymous No.50616193]

>>50616173

Centralized, authoritarian states are the most predatory entities in human history. They have a body count 1000x that of any heckin evil corporation you could think of.

[Anonymous No.50616218]

>>50616189

Then fucking MOVE. You faggot rat. Cuba and Venezuela exist and will welcome your gay ass with open arms.

[Anonymous No.50616236]

>>50607674
You'd literally get arrested if you didn't work in communism, seriously why are americans so retarded? Even prisoners were forced to work and students too.

[Anonymous No.50616240]

>>50616218
about as retarded as me telling you to move to mogadishu if you want to see an unregulated capitalist utopia. keep grasping at straws.

[Anonymous No.50616263]

>>50616236
down the countryside movement was based and red pilled. ever listen to xi jinping talk about his experiences?

[Anonymous No.50616286]

>>50616240

>authoritarian warlord state
>"unregulated capitalist utopia"

No thanks. I live in a free market and will continue to protect it from retards like you. You fags are throwing Cuba stats around, apparently it's already paradise, move on then.

[Anonymous No.50616302]

>>50616286
i haven't mentioned cuba once, that was someone else. take your meds.

[Anonymous No.50616323]

>>50616193
East India Trading Company, Chinese Opium Wars, African slave trade, genocide of the American Continents.

Governments were involved in these obviously, but they were carried out for the interest of small groups against the interest of the masses of the state.

Free market always trends towards oligarchy.

You probably still think voting R or D makes a difference, like Biden and Trump aren't basically the same. The wealthy elite run America and Europe because capitalism. China kills billionaires if they go against the people.

[Anonymous No.50616340]

>>50616236
>even prisoners were forced to work

....you can't be this stupid. Nooo, that would NEVER happen in America.

[Anonymous No.50616352]

>>50616302

Name a single (one) communist success story then

>>50616323

Pale in comparison to things that happened in the past century. Between Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro, Mao, and all of their friends, hundreds of millions dead thanks to their oppression and unchecked power. This is the future you ask for. Literally fuck off.

And don't bother with "well they weren't real [insert buzzword here]" you know exactly what I'm getting at

[Anonymous No.50616360]

>Talking about out of control housing inflation makes one a commie
>The same people flooding your country with 18 quintillion brown people to desperately keep housing alive think this is an effective gaslighting strategy
Boomer cope has gotten out of hand. Day of the pillow can't come soon enough

[Anonymous No.50616361]

>>50616323
america
>jewish billionaires openly subverting the already subverted state
chinks
>rumors that jack ma was executed for shit talking banking regulations
>has made 2 appearance over the past 2 years
>no longer says a word to the media

[Anonymous No.50616444]

>>50616352
Hitler, noted communist. Only a victim of American propaganda could be that ignorant. It wasn't the first group the government openly slaughtered or anything.

And between Stalin, Mao, and Castro there are millions of families living healthy happy lives that otherwise would have been slaughtered or treated as slaves. Look at other Caribbean islands, you think Haiti is better than Cuba?

The reforms of Mao literally doubled life expectancy. And in combination with Deng's reforms and Xi's policies, they have lifted 800 million out of poverty. You do realize before these governments famine and war was extremely common, and now it doesn't even exist.

[Anonymous No.50616454]

>>50601698
Yes, but unironically. Even bugmen should be able to afford housing, especially in the US. The houses are made out of cardboard anyways.

[Anonymous No.50616468]

>>50616193
White elite here. Don’t you realize we let the jews play with you as your comeuppance for your impertinence and socialism?

[Anonymous No.50616476]

>>50602054
"Hey guys, housing has gotten pretty wild haha. Maybe she should stop importing 1m+ spics and niggers into our countries every year and exporting our job overs-"
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>SHUT UP YOU FUCKING COMMIE
>COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE

[Anonymous No.50616500]

>>50616444

Hitler was objectively a socialist. What part of a centralization, authoritarian state did you miss? I love how you continue to insist "statistics" from these states known to lie, mislead, and make up whatever they want because, as mentioned 1,000 times before, they control ALL INFORMATION, are citable.

You're hilarious, just an absolute joke mess of a non reasonable human being. You're the reason I lose faith in democracy sometimes, I'm forced to listen to you and actually have people like you have the power to regress us into that state even as our economy perches on the top of the world in terms of prosperity. That's like winning the Super Bowl and then thinking there must be something terribly wrong with your strategy and that it needs a reset button. You're fucking broken in the head, mate.

[Anonymous No.50616511]

>>50616361
And how do those "jewish billionaires" subvert the state? Through media where the one with the most money has the biggest voice?
>capitalism would work if these people didn't cheat it
kinda sounds like it just doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.50616519]

Absolutely based thread

[Anonymous No.50616521]

>>50616323
chinks kill billionares that got against the state. The state forces you to take covid tests up ur ass and controls your every move. Real great scenario faggot. Imagine looking at the 20th century and thinking hey this authoritarianism thing is pretty good deal. Low iq monkey. You are a natural slave

[Anonymous No.50616528]

>>50616193
racial demographic shifts in first world capitalist nations, due to ((((capitalism's)))) demand for endless exploitation of cheap and brown labor, far exceeds those combined body counts.

[Anonymous No.50616547]

>>50601698
Until I can just find any bit of random grass or dirt and build my own house on it, society owes me a fucking house.

[Anonymous No.50616550]

>>50616528

Still making up fantasy land bullshit to "argue" with objective reality I see. Yes, a brown family moved in next door to me, this is comparable to a state induced famine causing my entire family to starve to death.

[Anonymous No.50616571]

>>50616511
>Through media where the one with the most money has the biggest voice?

we live in a nation that views jewish corporate entities as people, with rights to speech and legal/political participation. if you see nothing wrong with this then you are hopeless and i gain nothing by continuing this conversation with what is clearly a kike or kike-controlled golem.

[Anonymous No.50616597]

>>50616323
>like Biden and Trump aren't basically the same
>be commie
>also absolutely braindead retard
checks out

[Anonymous No.50616602]

>>50616521
Authoritarianism is a meaningless buzz word, USA has the largest prison population in the world. Several times China's even though China has over 4x as many people.

>>50616500
>, I'm forced to listen to you and actually have people like you have the power to regress us into that state even as our economy perches on the top of the world in terms of prosperity.
Yeah, real prosperous for all those homeless people, and 40,000 dying every year due to no health insurance, and people working 60 hours a week just to continue slowly sliding into debt. The prosperity benefits an extremely small minority.
And yeah, Hitler was a big socialist, that is why you always see swastikas at right wing marches, and why nazi Ukraine just banned all the communist parties.

[Anonymous No.50616646]

>>50616521
>illusion of choice
go ahead and defy your government. start a free, capitalist enterprise without adhering to federal, state, and local regulations enacted by the crony capitalist jewish apparatus. see how far you get without being thrown in prison. see also the comment by >>50616602

[Anonymous No.50616692]

>>50616602

>world beating incomes
>our poor people are quite literally so overwhelmed that they're almost all obese
>largesse everywhere: huge houses, huge cars, every moron and his mother can have a big home and a car

The difference between "capitalism" and communism is that our poor have too much fucking food than they know what to do with, while yours are literally dying. This is such an incredibly ironic conversation and your continued lack of any kind of reasoning ability whatsoever is astounding.

Hitler literally called himself a "national socialist", fashioned himself a socialist, and oversaw a centralized authoritarian command economy. He is a socialist whether you want to be insecure about it or not. He certainly does not resemble an economic liberal in any way shape or form.

[Anonymous No.50616730]

>>50616646

You can start a small business in America quite easily be adhering to a small set of rules. You can't in a communist country. At all. You're formally disallowed from starting your own business. I don't get how you're incapable of understanding bad and worse.

You're like "well there's rules in America/Europe as well, that means you shouldn't be allowed to do it at all!" Great fucking strain of logic you window licking tard nugget.

[Anonymous No.50616742]

>>50616692
>muh food
USA has an abundance of food because the government subsidizes its production such that everything on the shelves is sugary sweet corn and corn syrup derived goyslop. christ, even our FUEL is subsidized by 10% corn-derived ethanol.

[Anonymous No.50616784]

>>50616519
>Boomer sighted
This entire thread reeks of jewry. Housing cost inflation and mass, third world immigration are one and the same thing. Are whites cranking out children to send the housing prices mooning? No, but the rising population is coming from somewhere, right?

But faggots like you just gaslight and attempt to claim that noticing the writing on the wall is muh communism, even though the "housing crisis" is fake and gay and doesn't exist. White countries have too many spics and niggers inside them, it's literally that fucking simple. We can't have the goyim noticing this though, so lets just spam commie wojaks everywhere to twist nationalist opinions as actually being far-left.

Nigger.

[Anonymous No.50616828]

>>50616742

>muh food

Tear-strickenly hilarious that you're acting like that's trivial when communist countries struggle with feeding their people routinely! Yes anon, go ahead and tout the fruits of the free market, advancements in farming and food processing that have allowed our poorest to balloon in size because they don't know how to handle all these resources healthily.

[Anonymous No.50616833]

>>50616692
"Socialist" in the context of National Socialist was an adopted term used because Hitler disagreed with left wing Socialism's interpretation of the word. They aren't the same thing.

[Anonymous No.50616858]

>>50616784

This is an incomprehensible, irrational, retarded post and yet you probably think it's insightful and hard-hitting

>uhh houses are expensive
>there are brown people
>JEws!!!! JEWSS!!!! (ignoring the fact that Jews have always been the most fervent supporters of communism)
>GASLIGHTING!!!!

You're getting blown out, just leave the thread. Consider playing the game rather than whining about the rules and trying to flip the board over.

[Anonymous No.50616899]

>>50616833

>calls himself a socialist
>implements a command economy, centralized authoritarian state, with most of it nationalized
>not a single corporation in the country could defy him without getting seized or brought to heel

Right anon, sounds like a free fucking market to me. Totally not a socialist!!!!!

[Anonymous No.50616922]

>>50616828
>nonsensical goalpost moving
>conflating natural conditions (famine) and inadequate advancement of farming technology/techniques with government (ad hoc ergo proper hoc)
>muh INHERENT and UNDENIABLE excesses of capitalism
did you know that as shitty as the soviet union was, something like 25% of families had a second home (dacha)? meanwhile in the jewnited states of muttmerica home ownership (30 year debt note on a plywood box) is but a distant dream for a large chunk of its population.

[Anonymous No.50616930]

>>50616833
>>50616899

I will add there isn't much funnier than socialists/commies constantly having to distance themselves from every related implementation of their ideology because it's too embarrassing. In your headcanon Hitler and his collectivistic, centralized state was more alike with modern free market boomers than socialist fags who want the exact thing he put into place.

[Anonymous No.50616961]

>>50616922

There is nothing natural about state induced famine you fucking retard. They take control of the farming industry. They micromanage it. They fuck up, massively. There's a year with huge shortages and people die. That happened repeatedly.

And who gives a fuck if Soviets had a "second home" (read: a wood shack). They were so fucking poor that they willingly gave up their garbage system of government and economy.

[Anonymous No.50616982]

>>50616692
Sorry, if you think Hitler was a left-wing socialist, you are far too historically illiterate to even continue any conversation. It is well known that communists/socialists were one of the governments main enemies, they literally went to war with the communists.

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me.

[Anonymous No.50616989]

just because you hate capitalism doesn't mean you have to love communism. you can hate both

[Anonymous No.50616996]

>>50616922
>>50616961

also, you're really on one. They had a system of housing that became so infamous that we now associate it, the commie block. Big monstrous ugly termite nests that they forced all their plantation slaves to huddle in. Nice try with your "second house" bullshit faggot.

[Anonymous No.50617003]

>>50616858
>Words words words
Yet, you haven't made a single argument or offered any rational insight.
>Houses are expensive
>There are brown people
Yes. This is the simplest explanation to the phenomena we find ourselves in. The housing bull run is a house of cards built on the flooding of white nations when tens of millions of brown people annually. You cannot refute this, so you simply spill buzzwords to cope with your sorry, 90 IQ existence.

Day of the pillow soon

[Anonymous No.50617018]

>>50616982

>can't rebut any points
>uhhh... it's well known anon! It's just known. Yeah he called himself a socialist and his government/economy was highly socialistic, but he wasn't a socialist!
>because Dr. Goldstein said he's more like Trump, a free market loving neolib boomer

[Anonymous No.50617017]

>>50616899
Where are you getting this information from? The only things they really nationalized were the railways, and they did that because they identified them as a strategic military asset. Anyone was free to start a business in Hitler's Germany, it was even encouraged, providing you weren't engaging in business or practices that were harmful to the people.

[Anonymous No.50617041]

>>50616930

[Anonymous No.50617063]

>>50617003

Look at this, continued petulant rage. Can't formalize or articulate his thoughts. Continuing to resort to insults and racism. Stunning anon, just stunning. Again, you're absolutely right, that menagerie of utter failures of poverty stricken, oppression ridden, authoritarian communist/socialist states in the 20th century are surely models of prosperity that our comparatively poorer countries should aspire to be.

[Anonymous No.50617064]

>>50615891
and they failed in all that:
>reducing poverty,
they have a high rate of poverty, lol
>education for all,
i can't say nohitng because i don't know anything about this
>healthcare for all
technically is true, too bad their hospitals don't have medicines,equipment or good insfraestructure or even enought hospitals (exept millitary hospitals), the clinics are saw movie room tier shit

[Anonymous No.50617071]

>>50616996
commie blocks is better than homeless

[Anonymous No.50617082]

>>50615891
>Communism is literally about reducing poverty, education for all, healthcare for all. And it achieves those things amazingly.
Meanwhile, in reality

[Anonymous No.50617089]

>>50616961
>state induced famine
you'll have to be more specific as to which one you're referring to, drooling nigger retard.
> They were so fucking poor that they willingly gave up their garbage system of government and economy.
yes i suppose that's why more young slavs are leaning toward communism than ever.
>>50616996
are commieblocks still standing today? are they safer and more livable than nigger warzone housing "projects" that the united states barely managed to build in the 70s? remember, friend, niggers are a feature of capitalism. you can't ignore them if you want to make a 1:1 comparison -- that is, niggers and capitalism go hand in hand.

[Anonymous No.50617115]

>>50617017

I'm sorry to break it to you, but I'm not going to read a wall of text that some literally who fuckwit posted on 4chan whenever ago. Make your own case or fuck off. I hate people who outsource their reasoning. I'm aware that the mainstream tries to distance Hitler from socialism for their own agenda-driven reasons, if you actually look at the particulars he is quite similar and he even fancied himself as such. WW2 was fought between communists and socialists, far leftists and further leftists. Any other idea is an utter fucking fantasy. Nazi Germany was a highly socialized, highly nationalized, centrally driven country with a dictator at the top. No amount of cope is going to change that.

[Anonymous No.50617136]

>>50617089
>>50617071

Good goys! Your tiny termite cuck shack is more preferable to doing the bare minimum and getting an EZ comfy suburban house in the US. Why try in life at all?

[Anonymous No.50617156]

>>50617136
we've already established that i make and have more money than you, retard.

[Anonymous No.50617171]

>>50617063
>Can't formalize or articulate his thoughts
Still waiting for a structured argument as to your reasoning behind the housing shortage. I have offered my explanation, which you say is bad, so go ahead and form a rebuttal if I'm wrong.
>oppression ridden, authoritarian communist/socialist states in the 20th century are surely models of prosperity that our comparatively poorer countries should aspire to be.
Where did I shill any particular form of socialism? You're so incoherent that you're now resorting to strawman arguments. It's pretty funny how you think anti-immigration sentiment is muh left vs muh right though.

[Anonymous No.50617204]

>>50617115
I already made my case
>Hitler directly stated that their word Socialist is an adopted term that has nothing to do with Marxist Socialism
>The NSDAP was founded for the purpose of opposite Marxist Socialism / Communism / Bolshevism after news of the Soviet purges of up to 20m Christians reached Germany and the same Communists tried to overthrow Germany in a civil war in 1918
>Marxist Socialism always comes with a new central bank, National Socialist Germany arrested as many of the Rothschilds as they could find and took their banks
The two are in direct opposition to eachother. They don't share the same goals or founding philosophy. They simply do not fall under the same umbrella.

[Anonymous No.50617207]

>>50617156

No you don't. It is functionally, mathematically impossible for a successful, well adjusted Western adult to, for some inexplicable reason, turn around and claim that the whole system is broken and in need of revolutionary overhaul. Mathematically impossible.

[Anonymous No.50617235]

>>50617171

My reasoning behind the housing shortage? Ok, I never entered into anything there, but it's a state-induced issue. They simultaneously restrict supply by creating regulatory overload, in terms of zoning and permits, and then create artificial demand by subsidizing lending.

How funny you should ask, anon, I'm an RE investor. In one last bit of irony something you probably think is "heckin capitalism's fault" is actually a warped, state-induced imbalance.

In a fully free market anyone can build a house almost anywhere, supply is hardly restricted at all, and demand isn't being supercharged by government checks to poor retards.

[Anonymous No.50617244]

>>50617115
>>50617204
Also they were trolling a little bit.

[Anonymous No.50617245]

>>50617136
post like it's 50 years ago.
Any decent suburban house now traps people in 30 years of debt once they save for the down payment.
You know the reason that West Europe and American governments started to make concessions to workers after WWII? It was literally thanks to the rising threat of communism. And now workers are being fucked and people are being forced to do gig economy work that is precarious as fuck.

[Anonymous No.50617282]

>>50617245
the threat of communism is still there. the identity politics meme is nothing but a psyop by capital. class always will be the greatest divider.

[Anonymous No.50617308]

>>50615891
Cuban healthcare is one of the worst in the world.
Pic related is cuban healthcare
It's a two tiered system where tourists and special government officials get good care but everyone else gets shit care.

The cuban economy is a joke. There is no economy. Everyone tries to leave. Also don't blame the embargo, because cuba trades with literally every other country in the world. They're just too poor to provide anything of value.

[Anonymous No.50617332]

>>50617244
>>50617204

I'm going to be honest anon, I've usually held that he was more of a socialist but after a more thorough read-through of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany he seemed aggressively in favor of privatization and is actually pretty based

[Anonymous No.50617355]

>>50615971
>Cuba is under sanctions by the largest economy in the world.
So? They just cannot trade SOME products with the USA. Meanwhile they are allowed to trade with every other nation on earth.
The problem is that communism is just so inefficient that they don't provide anything the rest of the world wants lmao

[Anonymous No.50617399]

>>50617332
>wikipedia
If you want to see how based economics in Hitler's Germany were, read Hitler's Revolution by Richard Tedor.

[Anonymous No.50617458]

>>50617355
they're no better or worse off than nearby countries. standalone prosperity is a function of natural resources.

[Anonymous No.50617514]

>>50616029
Cuba is a joke of a country and communism destroyed it.
https://www.tiktok.com/@praxben/video/7119836862130392366?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1

>>50616323
>East India Trading Company, Chinese Opium Wars, African slave trade, genocide of the American Continents.
Things the GOVERNMENT fucking did, not the free market.
LMAO I already refuted you on this yesterday and here you are still making a fool out of yourself.
Why does the system you worship, STATISM cause all of these problems?

>Free market always trends towards oligarchy.
No, statism does.
Free markets are the logical opposite of the things you just mentioned.

>China kills billionaires if they go against the people.
China is a shithole. People in capitalist nations like Taiwan have better living standards. Why are you such a bootlicker?

>>50616240
>about as retarded as me telling you to move to mogadishu if you want to see an unregulated capitalist utopia
Somalia is a FAILED SOCIALIST STATE which is currently overun by statist warlords.
The areas that are not overrun by warlords are actually doing BETTER than they were during socialism.

>>50616263
>mass killings and poverty are based
lmao

>>50616444
>The reforms of Mao literally doubled life expectancy.
No they didn't you compulsive liar.
The increases in life expectancy happened AFTER the market reforms.

[Anonymous No.50617568]

>>50616602
>Authoritarianism is a meaningless buzz word
No it isn't. It's very real and you are an authoritarian manchild.
I don't even like USA's authoritarianism but Chinas is much worse.

>Yeah, real prosperous for all those homeless people, and 40,000 dying every year due to no health insurance, and people working 60 hours a week just to continue slowly sliding into debt.
This has nothing to do with capitalism and everything to do with government intervention.
These are YOUR policies failing.

>>50617017
Read a book.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCkyWBPaTC8

[Anonymous No.50617611]

>>50617071
The USSR and maoist china had many homeless people.
Also being homeless was fucking ILLEGAL, they just killed them or threw them in prison.

You people can never stop lying.

[Anonymous No.50617625]

>>50617514
Government carries out slavery and genocide for the benefit of private business, mostly because the government is made up of people with those same private interest.

>how could communism do this?

You need 'statism' for capitalism. How do you enforce private property without a government dumb-ass?

[Anonymous No.50617649]

>>50617332
>he seemed aggressively in favor of privatization and is actually pretty based
Don't fall for the propaganda anon, he didn't privatize shit. That study simply lies and claims privatization means something that it doesn't.
He was a heavily socialist.
https://www.tiktok.com/@praxben/video/7118419136962710830

[Anonymous No.50617666]

>>50617568
>tells me to read a book
>posts epic youtube video with "destroying" in the title
I've read tons of books on both National Socialist theory and practice, I know what I'm talking about and "m-muh socialist" isn't an argument.

[Anonymous No.50617714]

>>50617625
>Government carries out slavery and genocide for the benefit of private business
No it doesn't. It does this for it's own benefit.
You support slavery and genocide. The biggest slavery and genocide events happened under communist regimes.
You act like the state doesn't have a mind of it's own.

The system YOU SUPPORT(statism) caused these horrible things to happen, yet you advocate to give the state even more power.

>You need 'statism' for capitalism
This was debunked a million times in this thread and many examples were given. You people are either stupid or compulsive liars.

Go move to north korea bootlicker.

>How do you enforce private property without a government dumb-ass?
Polycentric law?
LOL You act like you need government to enforce private property or something. This was NEVER the case. Governments have historically been anti-private property.

[Anonymous No.50617733]

>>50617649
>source
>chinese data mining propaganda app

[Anonymous No.50617738]

>>50617649
>posts youtube and tiktok vids as sources
Typical illiterate western bootlicker. too dumb to realize they are fighting for their own exploitation.

[Anonymous No.50617750]

>>50617666
>>tells me to read a book
Yes, retard. Read a book.
The video has links to many books.
https://www.amazon.com/Vampire-Economy-Doing-Business-Fascism-ebook/dp/B0052YQ1CK

Nazi germany nationalized a large amount of their economy, so did fascist italy.

>>50617733
>>50617738
Cope and seethe honestly lol
I love how praxben angers you socialists to no end.

[Anonymous No.50617777]

>>50617714
>Polycentric law?
you keep repeating this. Just competing courts? What if I have a group with tanks and say fuck your court? Who is gonna stop me? With no government it is literally might makes right, law of the jungle.

[Anonymous No.50617779]

>>50617738
>too dumb to realize they are fighting for their own exploitation.
yeah bro, we should be more like china or north korea where there is no exploitation

You're REALLY fucking stupid lmao

[Anonymous No.50617822]

>>50617777
>you keep repeating this. Just competing courts?
You're very stupid. This was dealt with yesterday ITT.
see: >>50603386

The fact stateless capitalism existed many times in history refutes anything you communists are spewing.
Reality is making you so fucking mad right now.

>:What if I have a group with tanks and say fuck your court?
Then there would be a war.
Good thing war is expensive and people would rather settle. Anarchism was very peaceful.

[Anonymous No.50617829]

>>50617750
>https://www.amazon.com/Vampire-Economy-Doing-Business-Fascism-ebook/dp/B0052YQ1CK

German economist Gunter Reimann’s 1939 book The Vampire Economy described in detail how the Nazi regime maintained capitalism, writing “the State refuses to become the owner of industrial or distribution enterprises; it prefers to leave the difficulties of production to the private entrepreneur”.[30] Although he acknowledged that the Nazi regime placed capitalists at the mercy of the state’s will by denying them an inviolable right to property, Reimann insisted “This Nazi doctrine has nothing to do with Communism or Socialism”, but rather “as a new justification for the State’s use of private capital”.[31]

Reimann also wrote that although “capitalists may feel that they are mere agents of a State which is building up a new anti-capitalist society”, in reality “it is easy to prove that fascism relies on capitalist economy”, despite the occasional restrictions of the state. Importantly, he noted that visible conflict between Italian and German capitalists and their respective states “is in itself proof that private property and the search for profit have not ceased to exist under fascism”.[32] In Reimann’s view, “The fascist regime rests on two pillars: the absolute power of the State and the power of private property holders whose property rights are protected by and are dependent on the State”.[33]

[Anonymous No.50617887]

>>50617829
>German economist Gunter Reimann’s 1939 book The Vampire Economy described in detail how the Nazi regime maintained capitalism, writing “the State refuses to become the owner of industrial or distribution enterprises; it prefers to leave the difficulties of production to the private entrepreneur”.[30] Although he acknowledged that the Nazi regime placed capitalists at the mercy of the state’s will by denying them an inviolable right to property, Reimann insisted “This Nazi doctrine has nothing to do with Communism or Socialism”, but rather “as a new justification for the State’s use of private capital”.[31]

Big retard we got here.

The author of the book was a socialist with bad conclusions but the content of the book explained in detail how the nazis nationalized large portions of the economy and destroyed the free market.
This is explained in detail in praxben's video.

Fascism is just socialism. It developed from syndicalism in the first place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCkyWBPaTC8

[Anonymous No.50617895]

>>50617750
Literally who? I already proved my point ITT anyway using books with first hand German sources. I don't want book recommendations from a commie on government approved social media platforms. If you want to see how much shit you're talking:
>nazi economic recovery
>hitller's revolution
All fully sourced and proves you directly wrong, not even including what I've posted already.

[Anonymous No.50617919]

Why do communists enjoy licking boots and living in absolute poverty just to make some dictator happy?

Why do they want to wageslave for long hours for fiat currency? lol

[Anonymous No.50617922]

>>50617750

[Anonymous No.50617952]

>>50617895
>>nazi economic recovery
What recovery? It was just an artificial keynesian boom. Living standards for typical germans were shit. Food rationing during peace time? Long working hours?

You socialists are absolutely pathetic.

>>50617922
I don't give a shit.
Kill all fascists.
Kill all communists.
It's two sides of the same coin.

[Anonymous No.50617984]

>>50617952
Edgy. Also the German economy was exploding while the rest of the world was in a depression, it's why the war started. It's not known as the German economic miracle for nothing.

[Anonymous No.50618001]

>>50617887
>cites a book that desribes how nazis protected private industry as a source for them being socialist

>Why do they want to wageslave for long hours for fiat currency? lol
okay, now you're just baiting.

[Anonymous No.50618010]

>>50617922
>>50617895
>>50617666
>>50617829
I got this too.
Hitler and the fascists were absolutely unironically 100% socialists.
They kept some aspect of the market economy.
SO DID MOST SOCIALIST NATIONS IN HISTORY.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FYEe2xkJcOVQqgvgeFgDizlPbV54CrYN/view

[Anonymous No.50618041]

>>50617984
>Also the German economy was exploding while the rest of the world was in a depression
So? lmao
The rest of the world, especially america was going through a massive socialist experiment at the time.

>It's not known as the German economic miracle for nothing.
The real german miracle happened after the war when they liberalized, dumbass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirtschaftswunder

[Anonymous No.50618058]

>>50618001
kek I'm glad I wasn't the only one that noticed.

>>50618010
>gets proven wrong multiple times
>repeats initial argument with no additional reasoning
>cites youtube and tiktok as sources
>post book as a source that proves own claim wrong
>here goy click this google drive link it's totally safe
End yourself.

[Anonymous No.50618092]

>>50618001
>>cites a book that desribes how nazis protected private industry
That's not what the book explains lol
The book explains that it was extremely difficult to run a business in nazi germany unless you were closely tied to the state. Hitler literally kicked CEOs out of leadership positions and put people loyal to him in those positions, making it state run.
Hell it was probably easier to run a business in the ussr under Lenin's NEP.

Just read this document and cope hard.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FYEe2xkJcOVQqgvgeFgDizlPbV54CrYN/view

>okay, now you're just baiting.
How? You fucking people were the main cheerleaders for central banks. Marx advocated for them. Every socialist nation in history had one.

[Anonymous No.50618151]

>>50618058
>kek I'm glad I wasn't the only one that noticed.
lmao you're too stupid to read, holy fuck hahahahaha

>>gets proven wrong multiple times
Where? lol I'd love to see this.

>>cites youtube and tiktok as sources
Problem?
and pdf documents and books

>>here goy click this google drive link it's totally safe
That's not how this shit works.
HAHAHAHAHA It's a fucking google drive link to a pdf.

[Anonymous No.50618214]

>>50618058
>>50618001
Here is another document refuting the idea that the nazis supported free markets.
https://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/64262/sovietnazieconom00temi.pdf

[Anonymous No.50619638]

>>50601698
Why are there so many unironic commies on /biz/? Weird seems like we're being brigaded.

[Anonymous No.50619811]

>>50614484
>How do you bootlickers still believe in communism?
I dont, I believe in third-positionism.
>Why do you enjoy being enslaved and wageslaving?
I dont. Why do you?
>It was tried many times in history
No economy has ever existed without extensive meddling by a state's government. You fags just call mixed economies "capitalist" when they work and "communist" when they dont.

[Anonymous No.50619819]

>>50601698
Commies had to live with their parents, until the party assigned them to a labor camp and got promoted out. Sometimes back to their parents house.

[Anonymous No.50619911]

>>50617984
Cringe meme "heh considering other political perspectives outside my Marxist cult is le centrism" Okay bud . . Germany's economy experienced some revival due to rearmement, but the same was true for other economies. Ww2 led the U.S economy to boom as well in the 1950s. Germany's economy later on didn't do so well. Post war it was west Germany's economy that was florlurished while the east was a shithole & to this day has much lower gdp & standards of living.