Learn to code was not a meme

[Anonymous No.50594436]

>work in a non-technical job with many programmers
>they openly whine about wanting to be paid more
>they threaten to leave if they don't get to work remotely
>they spend so much time playing online games at work
>they do whatever the fuck they want
>they could work in any other number of companies
>company desperate to hire more of them

Meanwhile I'm in a job requiring social skills but I'm an ugly loser.

[Anonymous No.50594497]

>>50594436
what the fuck is it that programmers do that cannot be automated by AI and requires whiney jeets and woke sissies to be hired?

[Anonymous No.50594522]

>>50594436
>wanting to spend your life being a code monkey, sitting in front of a computer with other autistic incels
soul crushing

[Anonymous No.50594559]

Yep had a chat with some hiring lead, what came out of it is that they're the only profiles that can afford to be demanding and arrogant without backlash.
I'm starting to think I fucked up.
Yuropoor was so far behind the US on this one so I didn't bother making a career out of it but it's catching up.

[Anonymous No.50594611]

>>50594497
absolutely nothing. they're not skilled workers. all of their work is documented in source code. their work has been infantilized to the lowest common denominator with containerized development environments, CI/CD pipelines, version control, 85 IQ nigger frameworks, etc. and it's only a matter of time before the market saturates and wages come back to reality. ask yourself why devs in other first world, english speaking countries make a fraction of what US devs make.

[Anonymous No.50594656]

>>50594497
programmers make spaghetti code and shitty products that require other coders to integrate into their shitty products and keep it going. I know someone who works multiple front end jobs at the same time. Literally making doctor income to code menus for apps that make no profit.

I literally cannot fathom how it's not a massive bubble

[Anonymous No.50594734]

it's the top of the bubble, tech wage bubble that is, i retired a millionaire back in nov

[Anonymous No.50594749]

>>50594497

Who do you think writes the automation. This is why we get paid to do what we do. You are idiots, all of you, you don't understand how anything whatsoever works and we do and we've gamed it.

[Anonymous No.50594803]

>>50594497
>>50594611
Because retarded companies always try to get away hiring pajeets and spaghettitrannies.
After they notice that everything sucks and nothing is scalable, they have to pay actual humans to remake everything.

t. Software engineer

[Anonymous No.50594994]

>>50594611
>why devs in other first world, english speaking countries make a fraction of what US devs make.
If you want to be a dev in US, you're pretty much always required to be living in places like cali.
And the living fees there are inflated as fuck so ofc the pay has to adjust. But after paying your local jews for your health insurance?
You're not making anything.

[Anonymous No.50595020]

>>50594611
>ask yourself why devs in other first world, english speaking countries make a fraction of what US devs make.
Because almost all serious tech companies are in America, therefore most of the wealth they generate stays here. Maybe if yuropoor governments weren't so hostile to businesses and profit and innovation they could join the party. Also it turns out legally requiring 12 weeks of paid vacation and two years of maternity leave and all the other perks yuros brag about comes out of your bottom line.

[Anonymous No.50595093]

>>50594656
ill explain how this works.

I own a restaurant. The restaurant blows up oh shit its time to open other locations. Oh shit those locations are blowing up I need to hire a ton of people now. Boom now I have a company of chain restaurants. Well fuck now I have to make sure that everyone can order on their phone because the easier it is for my customer to order the more likely they are to pick me over other restaurants that don't have mobile ordering.

Need someone who can make an app for both android and iphones. Enter programmer/code monkey/app developer. It doesnt matter how absurd the asking price is going to be from this programmer, I will be able to make that money back times 1 million. The sooner I release this app for my restaurant chains the better. Every second that goes by that I don't have an app for my chain restaurants im losing out on orders and potential customers.

Also whatever the asking price for this one programmer will still be cheaper than going through like an actually company that makes software/programs. The demand for individual programmers like this is obviously there but what isn't there is alot of individuals with this skillset so that's why they get to dictate not only their price but work conditions.

[Anonymous No.50595098]

>>50595020
>Maybe if yuropoor governments weren't so hostile to businesses and profit and innovation they could join the party.
you mean basic safeguards around privacy, like GDPR, which make filthy disgusting kikes like jewgle seethe and cry anuddah shoah? browser fingerprinting, advertising, and data analytics aren't innovation -- they're a symptom of the state of contemporary capitalism.

[Anonymous No.50595755]

>>50595020
Europeans know they are a colony of the US and NATO, the only ones that seethe and call for war drums are the Baltoids and Polish faggots.

[Anonymous No.50596002]

>>50594734
owning d0b0 doesnt count

[Anonymous No.50596051]

>>50594436
Working as a Squid Dev is fucking awesome and a day come true.

[Anonymous No.50596092]

>>50594749
You've nailed it and made them look trash

[Anonymous No.50596104]

>>50594436
Dude i'm a college drop out in computer science and last year i made more money that i know what to do with it,working from home.

Most of the time i watch tv,play video games,shitpost here or go out with my GF.

I don't how long this will last but yes coding pays off.

[Anonymous No.50596128]

>>50594611
Modern programmers are copy-paste kidlets yes. It's the innovative goyim who can efficiently code a complex algorithm to generate or process sets of data in a few lines of code for specific abstract functions which are the good ones. Anyone who's using node.js or react or some other kidlet scripting language is not in the camp of good ones, which is 95% of them. Management has no clue.

[Anonymous No.50597824]

>>50594803
But why the fuck do they pay them American minimum wages instead of 30 cents an hour like its normal?

[Anonymous No.50598191]

>>50594611
And when your company fires you for wrecking a $10M project with that kind of ignorance they hire me at twice your salary to fix it.

[Anonymous No.50598211]

>tfw I chose mechanical engineering

[Anonymous No.50598264]

every programmer ive ever met was a neurotic mess
nearly antisocial, even

[Anonymous No.50598299]

For a newb, should I just learn python?

[Anonymous No.50598305]

>>50594436
Just left my job as a software developer in europoor...
How do I get a juicy contract working remotely for a US company?

[Anonymous No.50598588]

>>50594611
If you're a halfway decent developer and have ever had to work with a team of jeets, you know they're the kind of devs that'll have the product """working""" but it will be completely unmaintainable, buggy to high hell, slow, and doesn't even align with the spec.

[Anonymous No.50598612]

>>50594803
Ah, someone who knows. Thank you

[Anonymous No.50598629]

>>50594436
>Learn to code was not a meme
I wish I could. I really do! I can't though. You hear that all of you? And 4chan and feds too? I CANT CODE. So leave me tf alone :)

[Anonymous No.50598676]

>>50598211
Same. I think I've actually engineered something new once. Everything else has been bom management of the equivalent of dragong and dropping files but in 3d space.

[Anonymous No.50598728]

>>50594436
No need to be a programmer, you only have to be a football enthusiast and get into Ultimate Champions, hold some and you can laugh at their faces like a boss

[Anonymous No.50598740]

>>50598299
Learn C#.
Do some project Euler tasks in it, see if you can get them to compute in reasonable time. Learn BigO if you cant, then try again.

Python is good for training wheels but the entry level market is saturated because everyone on a stem degree uses Python at some point.

[Anonymous No.50598747]

>>50598211
>how babby switch

[Anonymous No.50598780]

learn why you can't get precise math with floating types due to memory limitations and you may be smart enough to learn a few other things

(this is very basic stuff lmao)

[Anonymous No.50598847]

>>50594749

Yeah. So many salty non programmers in here kek. They talk like anyone with an 85 IQ can do our job while they work their shitty 50k a year gig at some boomer company. Motherfuckers, if it’s so easy and simple then why don’t YOU try it? If you think it’s so easy to get a job writing code that pays 300k, how about you get one of those jobs then? Of course they’ll bring out the usual copes and excuses like “muh affirmative action muh HR roasties” when at the end of the day they are too lazy and dumb to get gud. No job gets more hate than SWEs because the barrier of entry seems low so lots of retards think they can become a brogrammer at a faang if they take a python udemy course, but then realize to actually be good it takes thousands of hours of practice just like anything else, so they give up and then hate on us for succeeding

[Anonymous No.50598916]

>>50595093
That is just the programmer to develop/maintain the app.
You also need Architecture/Platform programmers that are supporting the feature developers, and then you (possibly) need QA, Automation.
Then you need more programmers/devs handling deployments, devops, cloud ops shit.
Then you need even more programmers handling reliability engineering.
We haven't even gotten into DBA's and performance engineers.

And this is all at a decently regimented mid size company with well defined development processes, and even with all that, it is not always perfect.

Can only imagine the shit that startups are pulling.

[Anonymous No.50598942]

>>50598191
>>50598588
>ask yourself why devs in other first world, english speaking countries make a fraction of what US devs make.
is it something in the mutt genetic makeup that breeds competency? a 44% non-white racial admixture and a steady diet of goyslop that cannot be replicated else on earth?

[Anonymous No.50598967]

does the immense guilt of being a grifter make it hard to sleep at night?

[Anonymous No.50599047]

>>50594611
>ask yourself why devs in other first world, english speaking countries make a fraction of what US devs make.
Cost of living + laws. That's why in SV you can earn $300k, yet a big portion of that gets wasted on cost of living. If you moved to a backwards country with that salary, you only need to work a year and be set for life, and that's not convenient for FAANG.

[Anonymous No.50599066]

>>50594497
>what the fuck is it that programmers do that cannot be automated by AI and requires whiney jeets and woke sissies to be hired?
programming is a creative process you need to take what a customer is telling you and translate that into interfaces, databases, etc.. Still programming is so dumbed down that even average iq people can develop software these days, and still there is high demand, low supply, if you have a son steer him in this path, easiest 6 figures on the market right now, and it will stay this way, because software development is boring as fuck once you are established... it's harder to not fuck around than to develop software, i usually just fuck around on the internet all day and rush my tasks at the end of the shift

[Anonymous No.50599186]

>>50594497
>what the fuck is it that programmers do that cannot be automated by AI and requires whiney jeets and woke sissies to be hired?
You can't automate programming.
It's starting to happen, there is predictive helpers to help you code.
They also tried "no-code" few years ago but all you could make was MVPs (prototypes), you can't use it for anything serious.
There is quite a lot of skill too. I've picked up coding but compared to the best I know who got a CS degree I'm nothing.

[Anonymous No.50599203]

>>50594611
>it's only a matter of time before the market saturates
Data is growing at a rate higher than we can supply the market with developers.
Basically we need more developers in future than we have even today.
Salaries will only get higher.

[Anonymous No.50599359]

>>50599203
>Basically we need more developers in future than we have even today.
>Salaries will only get higher.
Absolutely.
The sheer amount of software is astounding. I've done this for ~7 years and none of my friends are ever really even on the market. I can't even casually recruit for a $200k remote position with 8 weeks PTO because they're all in spots of their own choosing.

[Anonymous No.50599604]

>>50594497
AI could never keep up with retarded manager changing requirements all the time for no reason and full of nonsense

[Anonymous No.50599983]

>>50598740
If I'm in trad finance, what should I learn? Python may make sense if I'm coding for traders

[Anonymous No.50600177]

>>50599359
>>50599203
God I wish I could tolerate programming at all because it seems like the field to be in. I hope you faggots are moving to a different country every month because that’s what I’d be doing it I could work remotely.

[Anonymous No.50600273]

>>50600177
Get yourself some programmer socks and take a stab at the ultimate meme field

[Anonymous No.50600342]

>>50594734
just graduated without any internships, think im gonna KMS

[Anonymous No.50600376]

>>50598847
>work in sales
>wfh
>make double what SWE make and work less hours, can do whatever i want including drugs/alcohol while "working"
>social engineer myself to be irreplaceable
>cant fire top salesman who generates net new revenue
>selling to CEO:
>"Anon I need the software to be able to do x"
>Yea sure, no problem. I'll make sure the codemonkies deliver this in 31 days
>send out contract
>signs
>take rest of the week off while SWE's seethe at having to meet the implementation deadline of the contract
kek keep bragging about not working and i will dump deals on your lap

[Anonymous No.50600378]

Jesus Christ it's like K just walked into the call centre of my company. A bunch of no tallent loser's with no urgency to make anything of themself crying about others who have life better. You will never make it. You will always be replaceable and you will always be loser's.
Now get back to work, the phones are ringing!

[Anonymous No.50600410]

>>50600376
>codemonkies deliver this in 31 days
>Does it in 15 minutes work
>"Ah yeh no problem should be done in 31 days I'll let you know closer to the date if we need to push back!'
You're being played.

[Anonymous No.50600427]

>>50599047
>Cost of living + laws.
nope. its because US is the center of global software companies, and many of them happen to be located in the same area. CoL is so high because everyone earns an absurd amount of money. Either way, making 200k in SF beats making 90k in the midewest even if your rent ends up being 2x more because you'll be able to invest/save so much more.

[Anonymous No.50600490]

>>50595020
There are plenty of third world countries where people have none of the perks that euro workers have and yet their companies are doing even worse

[Anonymous No.50600515]

>>50600273
Can’t tolerate the stuff. Hate it hate it hate it. No way I could become good enough to get paid at something I hate this much.

[Anonymous No.50600520]

>>50600376
how do you get a sales job? a decent one not selling solar panels or some bullshit.

[Anonymous No.50600561]

>>50600520
Cold call VP of Sales at tech/wfh companies you want to work for faggot

>hey saw you are hiring, still open right? yea lets talk

[Anonymous No.50600580]

>>50594497
90% of the people over 30+ are computer illiterate, because they can't tolerate sitting at the computer all day without socializing, also society conditions them to believe that computers are for nerd or smart people, so they pay well to those who know how to use one, for now
eventually when millennials become the new boomers, programmer is going to be the new accountant, 100% guaranteed

[Anonymous No.50600597]

>>50594436
>not becoming bros with the coders and developing social skills to justify also gaming at work
NGTMI

[Anonymous No.50600651]

It's an ok field to be in if you find it interesting but these stories where these companies can somehow afford to pay their coders 200k for "fucking around doing nothing and playing video games all day" only exist online. In the real world those companies would be going bankrupt in a year or two. In reality you're looking at long hours and expected to also code on your free time without pay to stay on top of new technologies etc. If you're willing to do all this the pay is decent however, that part is true at least.

[Anonymous No.50600659]

>>50594436

[Anonymous No.50600712]

>>50594803
This. A bulk of the net was built with terrible design. The code has grown so large, and unmanageable, and complex, it is almost impossible to change. What happens, then, when the company is a few years older, pulling in $500 million ARR from their web products, finds the application has become too complex and buggy to change quick enough to compete with competitors, and once the people who built the software all leaves, most don't even know how the code works.

This leads to very high demand for more mid and entry level devs, with good knowledge in proper design and principles, and especially senior devs, with years of experience in good code, and fixing shit good into good code. There is no way this shit will be AI automated away anytime soon, either. Anyone how says that immediately points themselves out as oblivious to the current state of the net and the current state of it's code.

[Anonymous No.50600759]

>>50600515
don't listen to anyone. money isn't worth sacrificing your sanity over for. You'll die one day, better spend the time you have until then following what you believe in.

[Anonymous No.50600835]

>>50600342
just keep applying. i took low salary job $60k at first until i found $120k position 6months later.

[Anonymous No.50600877]

>>50598299
>>50599983
Don't learn Python first. Python has a lot of atypical syntax and functioning. It is also a very abbreviated language. While many other languages all look the same, Python will not start you out with that. It also lacks things important for back end code, like constants and private class variables.

Learn C#, C++, or Java, first. The upside to Python is it works really well for web services, and you can quickly integrate it into with your your front end, but it is a bad first lang. Learning just some front end, through HTML/CSS, then Javascript, is also a quick way to start, but do learn a good backend and design and modelling properly, too.

[Anonymous No.50600930]

>>50595020
>almost all serious tech companies are in America
What is serious Tech

Seriously, the amount of nothing that these companies generate on a daily basis is staggering

How much money can be moved around for absolutely nothing in product to be made

[Anonymous No.50600932]

>>50594803
Truth.

t. Ttech writer who does dev docs

[Anonymous No.50600941]

A couple of sigmas to the right of the curve anon here

I'm wagecucking a natural language data analyst job for a FAANG company through a contractor.

This is mainly to dip by toes in tech as I have a design background but I'm not a SWE/coder.

These days I'm doing onboarding annotation simulation drills that's intended to get me familiar with the rules of engagement and annotate user utterances correctly before I get exposed to real data.

Literally the JSON file is there and I can just read through the code and get the answers then select the correct labelling and get 100%.

Automated and human HR mail comes into inbox praising me.

All non top tier IQ people are literally NPC cucks with external locus of control.
It's easy to be king when they're all blind. It's like being a magician. Or a guy with a lighter on an island full of savages.

I'm suspecting I should dive deeper into coding.

So what's the most valuable thing to do that's not super boring adjusted for low barrier to entry?
That is to say, what's going to get me hired ASAP where I can (hopefully) do some clean elegant code the first half of the day and chill the second half?

(I don't need a lecture in work ethic, been previously burned out.)

Long term goal is obviously become a business owner and have stock on set-and-forget so I can focus on what's important in life.

I'm sorry if my post sounds boasting and full of hubris it's not my intention. Thanks 4 reading my blog.

[Anonymous No.50600969]

>>50594436
People always say to learn to code, but never what type of coding language(s) to learn.

[Anonymous No.50600980]

>>50600941
Also I'm not mathematically inclined. Not sure if how necessary it is to get 6 figure income.
I'm euro btw.

[Anonymous No.50601011]

>>50600877
I mean, I did some Fortran in college, completed several projects, but I never pursued it professionally. Coding is not completely foreign to me, but the most I do now is if/then statements in excel.

Would you still say Python is too complex?

[Anonymous No.50601035]

i am really bad at coding and math and my brain just isn't wired for it

what coding language should i learn?

[Anonymous No.50601247]

>>50601011
All modern languages, even back to Fortran, are imperative languages. They all have the same limits over flow of program, variables, loops, conditional statements (if, else, else if, etc.), AND, OR, etc. operators, math operators, scope rules, functions, classes (if OOP, which most modern languages are), etc..

It's all the same shit, really, just with different languages more sugar, more libraries for easy extension, more or less verbose better or worse OOP or functional, etc., and some being better for web back-ends, and some better for CPU heavy, heavy processing, back ends. But as long as you know programmatic logic well, you're good to learn any language easily.

[Anonymous No.50601384]

>>50601247
cool, thanks brah. I've seen trading positions that call for Python but desu, I'm not keen enough on that market to understand what languages are in demand in finance.

I've done some quantitative on my own through excel, just rudimentary stuff manipulating live data feeds from the markets, I think I can really turn it up a notch if I learn a proper language and how to integrate it.

Just want to min/max, not learn dead weight, ya know?

[Anonymous No.50601462]

>>50600410
That sales nigger thought he got us. He also paid us half upfront and when we demand a push back in the date and he starts shaking and crying that he needs to uphold the timeline he told the CEO, we will demand more pay to hire support devs to fix the bugs and deliver on time.

[Anonymous No.50601533]

>>50594522
Ahh yes because any other form of wage slave other than software is LESS soul crushing??

Absolute brainlet take. At least with software I can become a millionaire coding shitcoins.

When you look down at your wagie hands and can see your blue veins through your skin that is soul crushing. Hope you enjoy retirement at 75 faggot. You would've earned it!

[Anonymous No.50601541]

I am a 31 year old INFP, is it worth it for me to try to learn to code?

[Anonymous No.50601583]

>>50599203
>muh data
i'm livestreaming the muscular contractions of my scrotum at 8 gigasamples per second. is that useful data? do you understand why most data is worthless trash?

[Anonymous No.50601633]

>>50598847
>hate web dev
>failed at making my own game engine
>what i did make is reasonably optimized and efficient
>can also write code to work with snes romhacks (eg data viewer)
Mixed feels

[Anonymous No.50601734]

>>50599047
Programmers in London, Tokyo, Singapore or Paris earn far less than one in San Francisco or New York

[Anonymous No.50601738]

>>50601633
Game devs actually produce shit, so they should feel like they're getting jipped

Like for the amount of work most game devs do to build shit, they get paid nothing while jeets who do nothing but exist in the sphere of modern economics get paid disgusting amounts just for existing

Tech is probably the worst ponzi scheme to ever be created because the way it actually makes money is to retard the sphere and push out actual competition or product in favor of Fugazi Scrum Team Meetings

[Anonymous No.50601966]

>>50594436
The entire tech industry is a massive scheme for rich boomers to transfer their wealth to the "right" people without incurring massive estate tax penalties or clueing in the poors how unfair and corrupt the status quo is. It's gate-kept by basing work tasks around what are essentially jargon-heavy puzzles that take a large amount of time to learn to solve if one does not have access to someone who boasts direct professional lineage with the people who made the puzzles in the first place. The vast majority of these jobs are make-work and produce nothing of actual value. Subsequently, there are four types of these workers (again, the vast majority of whom are not doing anything that most workers couldn't do with the correct training):
>Actual visionary geniuses who identify actual problems worth actually solving
>Sociopaths who understand the situation coolly and take advantage of it by doing 8 hours a week of actual work and otherwise doing whatever the fuck they want
>Clueless nerds who tackle any dumb problem set before them, unwittingly unleashing untold horrors upon their fellow men (especially useful for the military and the police state)
>People who are savvy like the sociopaths, but owing to their conscience, build up just enough wealth to leave the industry and to either attempt to undo the damage they've done, or otherwise to tend their own gardens quietly and as inconspicuously as yuppies might

We are in the last stage of this wealth transfer now, as shown by the rise of DEI initiatives. They would only open the money hose to minorities and women if the entire thing was about to collapse, ensuring that few advance enough to the point of amassing notable wealth or influence as we head into the latest stage of our economy's overall descent into neo-feudalism.

Screenshot this. Check it in 7 years.

[Anonymous No.50602160]

>>50601966
Imo it's mostly about tech companies having a way easier time finding investment money ever since the tech bubble that made some people very rich. Investors have been looking for the "next big thing" in tech ever since then and the bubble is probably about to pop once again and then dev salaries in the US will get more in line with the rest of the world.

[Anonymous No.50602294]

>>50601966
Well written but sometimes being fooled by randomness seems similar. A key thing you fail to grasp is that right now is the first time in the history of this planet/civilization where a company could scale exponentially to the tune of Billions of people/customers. That wasn't possible even 20 years ago unless you took decades to do it like Coca-Cola or McDonalds. Now you can write novel code in a new emergent field and reach Billions of customers. How you don't take that into account for the current state of things I'll never understand. You are not seeing the forest for the trees maybe. My point is with that new possibility you now have boomers who have the chance to significantly profit from those type of new unicorn companies. As >>50602160 said, they are all just chasing the next unicorn to make their boomer wealth 50x in 3 years. It's called greed and it trickles down from the top to the devs at the bottom building useless tech clones that generate zero revenue.

[Anonymous No.50602574]

>>50600969
newbie here. but its really obvious. you can google jobs in your area or available remote and see what they want. no need to get spoonfed. the hard part is know how to practice. (secret: just code. as long as it does something) Google "how to code and host my own webapp" "how to make my own game engine" ect. whatver you want just google how to do it to learn. its a diverse field and there is no one answer.

[Anonymous No.50602613]

>>50594611
Bait or autistic NEET who has never made more than min. wage in his life

[Anonymous No.50602637]

>>50602613
i make six figures a year wfh in corporate development at a fortune 10 company. suck my dick you fucking code monkey nigger retard.

[Anonymous No.50602638]

>>50594497
go ahead, make an AI that understands exactly what you want from it and then codes that

[Anonymous No.50602650]

>>50602160
>>50602294
>Ignoring the very definition of unicorns being exceptionally rare and almost impossible to predict
>Ignoring that even the "successful" unicorns have a spotty history of actual profitability; pumped-up valuations only go so far, for so long
Also, no, not billions of customers. A few companies have millions of customers; most have billions of data products that they sell to a few thousand customers. Scaling to interface with billions of data products is an expense; only a few companies do it, and only because the entire enterprise collapses without them taking on that expense.

The truth is that these investors know that they won't make money on these investments. Their goal is to preserve their wealth and otherwise control how it gets disbursed. Investing and becoming "job creators" means, in the long term, not being targets for nascent wealth taxes. Investing also gives capitalists control over who the company is run by, who gets hired, what "problems" get worked on, etc. If you invest billions into self-driving cars, gig apps, video services, you dodge scrutiny that would eventually cause the public to force you to pay for public transit, real jobs, education, etc. Things that would damage your traditional investments in blue chips, energy, predatory retail, for-profit training and education, etc. It's a sweet deal with massive amounts of plausible deniability, which is why I don't fault you for not catching it. But the truth is here. The fuckyness is intentional.

[Anonymous No.50602653]

>>50602574
On any board, in any thread related to jobs, half the thread talks about how they make $400K a year coding and that anyone who has problems finding a job should just teach themselves code, but they never say what languages they actually learned.

[Anonymous No.50602692]

>>50602637
You're a school shooter NEET, ok got it

[Anonymous No.50602789]

>>50594522
As opposed to...? What exactly? Driving a forklift in a warehouse? Working retail?
People always bring up the soul-crushing monotony of office work, but it's not like I can just get paid 300k/yr to travel the world and play vidya and bang hookers all day. Those who can have effectively won the lottery, and even then you'll have cases every single year of some celeb with all the success in the world kills themselves because it's not enough.
The rest of us have to settle. It's not "good" or "bad" having to choose the lesser evil, it's just the way of the world.

[Anonymous No.50602833]

>>50602653
then ask, retard? its because it doesnt matter abd depends on what you do. spend a few months learning and switching languages shouldnt be too hard because its about logic and common practice. you just said the same thing. they learned c/c++, java,js,rust,react,html/cds,php, ect. they all have markets. sorry for being mean its just frustrating.

[Anonymous No.50602859]

>>50602650
I just don't buy it and I'm a conspiracy psychopath vs schizoid worldview believer. Globalization like today has never been possible before. When I wrote billions of users I meant users not customers. The trend is obvious now. More and more of the world's billions of people are coming online and more and more of them will become future potential customers. That alone will allow the tech industry to get investments from boomers trying to make 50x returns in 5 years time money. When has that ever been possible before? Of course absurdity arises as a result. This is no different than every other bubble. The ability to reach masses quickly like never before is unprecedented. No one know how to act accordingly least of all tech-illiterate boomers who squint when using their iphones. Your conspiratory angle I feel like needs to be placed in another area of society, like the political realm that is coincidently ushering in a world of globalized corporations running things and at the same time allowing mass immigration to flood first world markets.

[Anonymous No.50602899]

>>50602789
It's people pursuing a "code monkey" job that are trying to scare other people away, except they're sub-70 IQ faggots that don't realize that constantly fudding something will make others suspicious. You have to mix it up, maybe throw a few threads up of how easy it was to make it, so that when people actually pursue it, they give up thinking it would be insanely easy. It's really hard getting your first job, but you get literally have a CS degree from a no-name school and get hired after a few months of applying and interviews. After the first job, it's smooth sailing assuming you didn't get hired by psychos. Where are you going to find a career that allows you to WFH on a laptop while fucking around 6 of the 8 hours a day your supposed to work? Nowhere. Some of my co-workers binge anime while supposedly working and are basically collecting 6 figures a year just for KNOWING how to code. The actual coding you do on the job vs. displaying what you know during an interview is night and day. I don't blame people for fudding programming.

[Anonymous No.50602950]

>>50602833
>they learned c/c++, java,js,rust,react,html/cds,php

Great, thanks for the answer. That wasn't hard to type out, don't know why codeniggers have to be queers and always beat around the bush about this shit.

[Anonymous No.50602996]

>>50602950
kys. you could google "what coding languages are there" and get the same answer. you will literally nsver make it in coding so i hope you have a job more suited to your iq. i tried being nice.

[Anonymous No.50603117]

>>50594436
It's true
>Be me
>Get the CS degree
>Find a job and don't realize how in demand I am
>Work at a company that under pays me and over works me for 5 years
>Find out how badly I'm getting fucked one day
>Switch jobs and instantly double my salary
>Switch jobs again and again instantly double my salary but now I get stock
>Now working 100% remote, doing maybe 3 hours of real work a day
>Got a raise, 100% of my bonus, and another 70k in stock
After 4 years I'll have over 200k in stock that will likely increase in value to over 1 million based on the growth of the company. At that point I might jump ship to a new company to repeat the process.

[Anonymous No.50603161]

>>50601533
The same niggers who say who would want to be a codemonkey live off real estate
bunch of disingenuous niggers
every single self employed that's not tech is just some real estate nigger

[Anonymous No.50603263]

Give me some PHP flavored copeium bros, what's the upper limit to what us kind of devs can be paid?

[Anonymous No.50603285]

>>50603161
No there is niche shit like lawn care and etc too. Also gigalos.

[Anonymous No.50603303]

>>50603263
How does $15 bucks an hour sound? To be fair if you learn something like Laravel + DevOps, you can probably make really good money.

[Anonymous No.50603425]

Is cyber security a meme? I don't have a degree yet.

[Anonymous No.50603509]

>>50601541
32 y/o retired neet. 100% not worth it wait for the next scampump cycle and get in the right chat rooms. More important than anything else you do in life unironically.

[Anonymous No.50603799]

>>50594497
Critical thinking and problem solving on abstract requirements handed down by totally non technical people that don't know what they want.
>Get jira ticket
>Fagdick-273
>Title: create this new feature
>Description: lol
>Acceptance criteria: go fuck yourself
If you think an AI can solve that even when the requirements are filled in you're in fantasy land. ML really isn't as advanced as you think it is. It's advanced and pretty cool. But at this point it's basically parlor tricks like interpreting meaning from a block of text or creating paintings from a block of text.
I saw a demo of some AI that "programs" based on a script but it's pretty limited to very basic functions and does nothing for a larger application with interchanging parts, evolving requirements, and ever evolving technology surrounding. Come back in 10 to 20 years and never you'll have something.
But then I'll be retired so who fucking cares.

[Anonymous No.50603803]

>>50594611
Cope

[Anonymous No.50603907]

>>50600376
>Be swe
>Get unreasonable deadline
>Work at a normal pace or slow roll it if they give me lip
>Project is over budget
>Sales nigger gets fired for losing the biggest contract that company had and gets blackballed in a highly network based industry
>He can't find anything but car salesman positions
>Even if I lose my job I'm so in demand I'll just get a raise at the next spot.
Nothing personnel

[Anonymous No.50603945]

>>50594803
This. I thank God every day for the existence of jeets. There's a lot of scratch to be made cleaning up designated shitting repos.

[Anonymous No.50603995]

>>50600580
Except the new generation has computers that are so nerfed that they have no idea how any of it works.

[Anonymous No.50604095]

>>50600930
Google is worth so much because they're an advertisement platform. Every successful search is pointing you towards a new product. And even when it's not a product they place ads that are products. Social media sells your metadata to again place ads. Companies create apps to improve traffic to their business. Look up the top tech companies. They all have very clear revenue streams. Usually from digital content or ad revenue.

[Anonymous No.50604101]

>>50602637
Isn't everyone making 6 figures straight out of college now?

[Anonymous No.50604129]

>>50603425
Yes and no. Most "hacks" are just social engineering. Nobody is slamming keys into the console to hack the mainframe. So the job is likely just making sure software stays up to date for the latest exploit patch and forcing employees to change their password every few weeks. That and internal phishing tests to prevent retards from clicking shit they shouldn't.

[Anonymous No.50604142]

>>50603907
>contract signed
>deal lost because swe cant deliver
>swe gets let go for underperformance
if you really think your version happens you are a true retard.

[Anonymous No.50604279]

>>50604142
My first job was consulting and I can tell you for a fact I never got fired for slow rolling projects with shit expectations. Saw a few project managers and sales niggers get the boot though before I eventually jumped ship. Stay mad about it. Also these things are group efforts with lots of interconnecting parts from various teams. Are we over budget because I didn't work fast enough? Or are we over budget because design took too long? Swe and design work is the only billable work that you can track real value against. Easier to just fire the sales nigger that did nothing but hold lots of meetings that could have been emails and charge up the p card seeking new clients that never landed.

[Anonymous No.50604381]

>>50604142
The fact that you can't understand that you're now forced to hire another code monkey at market rate (I.E. more than you were paying the guy you fired) is why you can't make it in a thinking man's profession. I would have taken home $11k after taxes in the month I failed to code the shit you overpromised. How much commission would you make on that failed contract?

[Anonymous No.50604442]

Coding can be hard work sometimed. Right now I've been working 16 hour days for the last 2 weeks because our project is behind schedule.

Note: nearly 100% of projects end up behind schedule because engineers suck at estimating how long it will take to build something.

[Anonymous No.50604510]

>>50604129
Thank you fren. I'm getting some certs done, working a pleb tier incident response position currently and don't really know what to expect when I land a real job in this field.

[Anonymous No.50604525]

>>50599983
Don't listen to the dweebs python is fine if you are a finance guy. It's very easy to get something running with quickly and just try to automate a few boring Excel tasks through pandas to start and see if you like it

[Anonymous No.50604592]

where did the meme come from frens? if anybody is kind enough to explain it to me

[Anonymous No.50604604]

>>50604592
Know Your Meme has a post explaining this that cites this exact forum, including its origin (chan) and its political message ("Journalists told laid-off coal miners that they should learn to code, so now it's their turn" is the mindset")
I feel like the jump from journalist to coder is easier than the jump from coal miner to coder. Plus, it's legitimately good piece of advice, it seems like Journalism doesn't have the job security it used to and it might be the best option for those journalist's to go independent and make get involved with web development for their own writing. I really don't see how coal miners can apply their skills in a way both their previous and new skills and coding would help without throwing away the former.

Thank me buying a bag of vinu k thanks

[Anonymous No.50604611]

>>50604604
hey i at least appreciate the bluntness, will do fren, will do

[Anonymous No.50604614]

>>50594436
OP i have 1000+ unread messages in my linkedin

[Anonymous No.50604643]

>>50603303
>To be fair if you learn something like Laravel + DevOps, you can probably make really good money.
That's what I'm holding out for, I'm in the middle of working through Laravel and it's rocking my shit mentally, it's like someone took a Little Leagues kid and told them to go out and bat for the last game of the MLB season. Haven't even look at or heard of DevOp's yet

[Anonymous No.50604695]

>>50603995
Exactly. I was hanging out with a zoomer whore (18) and this cunt thought I was a super nerd for having a laptop in my crib.........A FUCKING THINBOOK LAPTOP!

You should have seen her face and her reaction to seeing a thinbook. She would have freaked if she say my pc rig that I was keeping in another location.

Zoomer's are beyond retarded regardless of how comfortable they are around an iphone.

[Anonymous No.50604727]

>>50600712
>This leads to very high demand for more mid and entry level devs, with good knowledge in proper design and principles, and especially senior devs, with years of experience in good code, and fixing shit good into good code. There is no way this shit will be AI automated away anytime soon, either. Anyone how says that immediately points themselves out as oblivious to the current state of the net and the current state of it's code.
The sheer amount of shit I have to keep in my mental model for software engineering is more than what most humans want to deal with at once.

[Anonymous No.50604738]

>>50604442
existing must be painful for you now, but its all worth it if you pull through

[Anonymous No.50604746]

>>50594497
>1 post by this id

[Anonymous No.50604755]

>>50600941
>So what's the most valuable thing to do that's not super boring adjusted for low barrier to entry?
I'd like to know the answer to this as well.

I currently do SRE. Pretty boring I'd say and at some places it's clearly operational, not engineering in nature.

[Anonymous No.50604903]

>>50604695
Was it a turn off / turn on that you were a nerd.

I have a 42u server rack in my garage with used enterprise gear that I fuck around with.

Are zoomettes impressed by this?

[Anonymous No.50604914]

>>50604738
I'm used to it. Been a programmer for 15 years now.

Software always goes over schedule.

[Anonymous No.50605158]

>>50594436
programming is fun if you have adderall, otherwise its tedious

[Anonymous No.50605196]

>>50604903
Heh, sorry fren, she was thoroughly turned off! I'm likely not saying anything new tho since 99% of all women across all generations are tech averse. My shock was more towards her attitude towards seeing a light laptop that was probably only 1.5x more powerful than her iphone.

[Anonymous No.50605221]

>>50594734
Can confirm, tech bubble is over. Hope you know how to be your own handyman, real life skills (fixing shit in the real world) is going to outpace the meme economy from now on.

[Anonymous No.50605233]

>>50604903
They'll think you're some sort of cybercriminal hacker type if they see that thing in your garage.

[Anonymous No.50605326]

>>50595093
When I see a soulless restaurant where app ordering is a feature I do a 360 and walk away

[Anonymous No.50605525]

>>50600520
Whats wrong with selling solar panels?

[Anonymous No.50605538]

>>50600561
My company is looking for a salesman. We need someone to get us contract work because we have a lot of devs to fulfill. Is that what you do?