Kadena is a scam

[Anonymous No.50357636]

in the following video, this catholic chad summarizes in about 20 minutes why Kadena is a scam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqNEQS80-h4

> t. former Kadena shiller who came to see the light

[Anonymous No.50357660]

why the fuck was my thread immediately bumped to the bottom of the catalog

[Anonymous No.50358289]

>>50357660
NGA ID

[Anonymous No.50358794]

>>50357636
literally nothing to do with KDA.....

[Anonymous No.50359109]

>>50358794
> 20 chains
> 600tps
gee who's going to verify all that junk?

[Anonymous No.50359487]

>>50357636
OP you must be retarded I mean seriously

[Anonymous No.50360345]

>>50359487
no I am most definitely not
you ought to elaborate!

[Anonymous No.50360907]

>>50360345
Discounting the fact that the video had nothing to do with kadena directly, if you actually are paying attention, it's a subtle shill for it. Are you baiting OP

[Anonymous No.50360951]

>>50360907
see >>50359109
keep circumventing

[Anonymous No.50361038]

one Kadena chain is already growing faster than the BTC blockchain
let's say we have as many nodes
they will not want to have >20x as much transactions to verify, specifically when setting up their node
imagine how long that'd take
so they will pick one chain or a few at best
we have to hope they pick the chain in a uniform fashion
and we have to keep in mind even one chain is quickly growing too large to run on small devices like cell phones
at this point, you might as well use vertical scaling, which doesn't have the issues related to sharding and its cross-chain transactions

>>50360907
by the way, my ID says nigga

[Anonymous No.50361224]

where's my conversation partner at
i was developing a fondness of him

[Anonymous No.50362111]

>>50361038
This is an end goal of kadena, have sections of the entire web syncable. They don't want people running nodes on phones anyway, and then at that point the benefit of chainweb is that because it's braided, security is heightened so on the off chance nodes aren't syncing equally, it won't matter. Bitch boy, crying about where my reply is, how were you ever a shill for kadena. Vertical scaling lmao did you even watch the video?

[Anonymous No.50362197]

>>50362111
checked but nothing of what you said addressed my points or even made sense

[Anonymous No.50362357]

>>50357636
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[Anonymous No.50362946]

>>50362197
You are talking about hypothetical node behavior, I am talking about hypothetical node behavior as described by the developers. (Sections of chainweb syncable)
You are talking about hypothetical security concerns, I am talking about those security concerns being addressed. (Chain uniformity)
You are talking about running a node on a phone, which I addressed. The thoughts were condensed but I assumed I was talking to someone capable of critical thinking. My mistake, you couldn't even understand the speaker was bashing vertical scaling in the video.

[Anonymous No.50363071]

>>50357636
My intuition is that you're a Radix shill, formerly known as Emunie lol. Now that's a scam.

[Anonymous No.50364693]

>>50362946
Redpill me on bonding KDA on the relay chain

[Anonymous No.50366348]

>>50364693
Bonding is over because eth is literally too unsafe to run a decentralized bridge for the kda team

[Anonymous No.50366675]

>>50362946
what the fuck are you on about
Why do you talk about syncing rhe fucking web

[Anonymous No.50367287]

>>50366675
ChainWEB you fucking moron, tell me you know nothing about kadena without telling me

[Anonymous No.50368048]

>>50359109
>>50361038
didn't read, in Chainweb nodes are Sharded this means one node doesn't have to verify all chains at once, instead you have multiple nodes verifying multiple chains all at once. It's efficient use of resources. This can potentially be faster than verifying a single chain Blockchain which is huge.

[Anonymous No.50368073]

>>50368048
me at the 77

[Anonymous No.50368082]

>>50368073
also /thread
op was a ngr faggot all along

[Anonymous No.50368350]

>>50367287
SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU MONGOLOID PIECE OF FUCKING SHIT AND GO BACK TO YOUR MOM’S BASEMENT RATHER THAN TRYING TO TALK ABOUT TECH YOU DON’T FUCKING UNDERSTAND

[Anonymous No.50368396]

>>50368048
kadena trannies are by far the dumbest fucking cunts in the entire crypto sphere
this little fag talks to me like i didn’t just explicitely state i already know this bullshit, and it’s not a solution at all
their chain is not nearly as secure as bitcoin and we haven’t even started talking about the pool with >70% of the hash rate
every fucking time i point it out they make up nonsensical rebuttals with this completely misplaced smugness
their kike ceo can literally control mining emissions

[Anonymous No.50368921]

>>50368396
>like i didn’t just explicitely state i already know this
I didn't read
>and it’s not a solution at all
and you are wrong

[Anonymous No.50369008]

>>50361038
>so they will pick one chain or a few at best
>we have to hope they pick the chain in a uniform fashion
no
>>50361224
cute
>>50362946
nah you were only partly addressing her point
>>50368396
Ok I did read now and my reply still is 100% appropriate to your post, I guessed what you asked about correctly.

sheeesh

[Anonymous No.50369064]

>>50369008
horizontal scaling doesn't fix anything, because you need as many nodes covering the entire network as you can
for this you are forced to keep the network small, whether you partition it horizontally doesn't matter, proportionally you lose an immense amount of active participation with no incentives to compensate for it
the control of mining emissions is like the admin switch of Solana
i'm going to stop here
talking to bagholders is like telling a tranny he isn't a woman
keep posting pedo pictures

[Anonymous No.50369116]

>>50369064
>because you need as many nodes
>for this you are forced to keep the network small
>you lose an immense amount of active participation
you my dear madame are retarded, scaling is a direct consequence of more participation, what you're saying is basically the same as saying "you can't scale the network because there aren't enough people to make transactions" but don't realize that the only reason you'd scale the network is that there are more transactions.
If there is a great deal of participation, chainweb will have to scale, which means all the resources will be already there otherwise we don't even have to scale. In other words, the network adapts to the number of participants, right now it can stay small, but it has the possibility to grow/scale, unlike any other L1 on the planet.
Your only argument here could be "o-okay daddy b-but what if people won't end up doing that" to which the answer is why would they willingly miss out on revenue.
>keep posting pedo pictures
yes mam

[Anonymous No.50369131]

Forgot pedo picture

[Anonymous No.50369161]

>>50369131
sauce?

[Anonymous No.50369163]

>>50369161
To LOVE-Ru OVA

[Anonymous No.50369195]

kek at the tech illiterate retards trannysplaining

[Anonymous No.50369199]

>>50369195
If you had a better argument you would have made one.
You can't argue for the fundamentals because you're not capable of actually examining them critically.

[Anonymous No.50369207]

>>50369199
>I didn't read
Why would I bother?

[Anonymous No.50369221]

>>50369207
addressed her points without reading then I read and addressed her other points after she was done shifting goalpoasts, what's the problem here exactly?

[Anonymous No.50369364]

pantsu

[Anonymous No.50369368]

>>50369364
basedu

[Anonymous No.50369544]

>>50363071
Hey you're trying too hard

[Anonymous No.50369647]

>>50369221
i’m talking about active participation as in running nodes, faggot
you didn’t debunk anything
look at the video again and apply it to kadena
you want
> preferably everyone to help secure the ledger by running a node
> to make it as easy as possible to set up a node, shouldn’t take weeks to download the ledger so until the tech is there for it we have to be extra cautious
in kadena it’s much harder to get the same kind of coverage you’d see in bitcoin and even if you get as many to people to run a node for one chain as there are people running bitcoin nodes this would be 5% of the coverage bitcoin has
the only incentive for running a node is self-sovereignty but you just made it a lot harder to do that properly

[Anonymous No.50369667]

on top of this
> 70% hash rate in one pool
> mining equipment comes from one company
> controlling miner emissions = admin switch
> cross chain swapping will be a mess

[Anonymous No.50369681]

>>50369647
inb4
> people will be mass running nodes and i believe in unicorns
> accompanying pedo softporn

[Anonymous No.50369703]

>>50369647
Be clear with what you mean then. Fact is there is no problem syncing nodes because sharded resource utilization makes syncing it fast and scalable, there is no problem with incentives as running a setup that covers all chains is feasable and makes sense economically.
Your valid point is that it's costly to set up a node with multiple locations. This is true. Yet not a problem if you really want blockchain to take over the world. If your problem with kadena is that it doesn't run on a laptop I think it's a fair opinion and you should sell.

>>50369667
1. Fair. Will change over time otherwise I'd be out.
2. Incorrect but I see where you're coming from, to think this won't change over time is retarded to the point where it makes you look like an idiot for even bringing it up
3. They control platform emissions, not miner emissions you illiterate retard
4. It's literally not and doug is working on tools to make it even easier than it already is. This one point should showcase to everyone that you are not being serious.
5. people will be mass running nodes because it makes economic sense to do so. Even if don't the fact you can run a subset is great for decentralization either way.

This is all I have to say.

[Anonymous No.50369836]

>>50369703
appreciate it that’s actually a good response
it’s not nearly as hard money as bitcoin is, is all i’m trying to say
by wanting to be cool with the smart contracts etc. they made security a good deal harder
sure you could say there is the economic incentive because people don’t want their network to be fucked with 51 attacks, it’s still a lot harder to act out on that incentive
their control of platform emissions may be used wisely but we have to take their word for that, it’s not exactly in line with the trustlessness bitcoin preaches
with how messy kaddex has been handled (and the team’s implication in it) i’m wary

[Anonymous No.50369913]

>>50369836
>but we have to take their word for that,
They locked their own team coins for 5 years op top of the original 5 years, their track record speaks for itself. Keep in mind every L1 has control of their ecosystem funds.
>they made security a good deal harder
Compared to what? the most secure chain in the galaxy? Yes. Compared to your run of the mil L1, fuck no. Just because it's slightly less secure as the most secure thing in the world doesn't mean it's bad.
Furthermore what does security mean, 51% attack? Clearly not. Someone Taking over all the nodes on the planet? What would that even mean, a single node isn't in one location, so maybe it's not suffering from the same problem as traditional big node chains at all. Think about that one. Maybe centralization of nodes isn't a problem when the setup is distributed (not decentralized). Not to say that this is centralization since anyone can run a node when it makes sense/revenue which is what decentralization is all about. Maybe it's not secure from nodes themselves being the attackers, this is where actual decentralization of nodes comes into play. At least it's not like in PoS where nodes and "miners" are the same person.
>i’m wary
you should be, I am too.
I don't really like how the team handles most things but I realize that the tech is there and that hey are just people, just image how bad it is on other chains/teams/projects.

Anyway. Diversify by buying XCM!

[Anonymous No.50370130]

>>50369913
sure i agree with this
XCM needs to get their act together though it’s a bit of a shitshow lately
already got a decent bag

[Anonymous No.50371784]

>>50368350
>>50368396
We arent even at the hypothetical point of full nodes being a problem, yet you're here crying like it's over. Now all of a sudden kda isn't as secure as Bitcoin when you never even brought it up, and then adding on top of that the pool issue just so you think you have a winning point. No one would even disagree that's an issue and it's been noted by the team.
>>50369064
>Control of mining emissions
Dunning-Kruger RETARD TELL ME YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT KADENA WITHOUT TELLING ME

[Anonymous No.50371786]

>>50369836
What's wrong with Kaddex? I vaguely remember anon claiming KDX will dump upon release. Why is that? Is Kaddex actually working? Where is it deployed?

[Anonymous No.50371818]

>>50371784
read the bread
>>50371786
testnet launch happened yesterday, we don't like it, read entire thread = >>50350532

[Anonymous No.50371824]

>>50371784
yeah i misread that part about emissions
kadena is indeed nog nearly as secure as bitcoin for the reason i explained in a previous post
there IS a trade-off even if it's not nearly as significant as for other L1 approaches

[Anonymous No.50371845]

>>50371824
>nearly as secure as bitcoin
pretty close regardless
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>other L1s

[Anonymous No.50371868]

>>50371818
>>50371824
It's basic stuff, I don't have time to write a long ass post. Assuming she's a previous kadena shill I thought she read previous threads/screenshots etc. No shit btc has more hashrate security than kda, Im talking about it from the braided security side

[Anonymous No.50371911]

>>50371845
yes, i agree with that

[Anonymous No.50371939]

>>50371868
She was not talking about the 51% security side anon, in that case kda is more secure than Bitcoin.
She was talking about number of nodes in regard to nodes acting maliciously.
Does that make sense?

[Anonymous No.50371966]

>>50371939
yeah i'm talking nodes not miners, that's why i linked to the video

[Anonymous No.50371973]

>>50371939
Sure

[Anonymous No.50372072]

>>50371973
so basically u were saying that I actually AM a woman?

[Anonymous No.50372094]

>>50372072
Why not, people with irrational hatred towards trannies are retarded

[Anonymous No.50372732]

>>50368073
I wouldn't have been a millionaire at $77 last run
this time im going to work to buy enough KDA so that I am well over a millionaire when kda breaks that number

[Anonymous No.50372747]

>>50372732
Take a $20k loan

[Anonymous No.50372787]

>>50369836
its not about being hard money...
if you want hard money buy gold or silver
Kadena is a secure smart contract platform with a currency
CURRENCY != MONEY
get that shit through your head

i agree with your point on kaddex though, as an ICO buyer im pissed about this one also apparently they lowered the APY we are getting for the delayed release which is really gay
dont pump us up with a 69% apy then swap it to 15%

[Anonymous No.50372976]

>>50372787
ok then we agree
by the way i am a proud, emancipated woman

[Anonymous No.50373307]

>>50372787
>CURRENCY != MONEY
Interesting, keep talking

[Anonymous No.50374283]

>>50369913
>They locked their own team coins for 5 years op top of the original 5 years
fake, this is some stupid statement that keep getting copy pasted and is completely false

[Anonymous No.50374301]

>>50374283
deboonk it

[Anonymous No.50374337]

>>50374301
you can't read the tokenomics yourself?

[Anonymous No.50374338]

It was the platform emissions that they locked for another 5?

[Anonymous No.50374907]

>>50372094
>irrational
it's not irrational because people see the juden behind the sick tranny propaganda that gets blown in people's faces
kys glownigger

[Anonymous No.50374966]

>>50374907
yeah man it's all a jewish conspiracy, kys

[Anonymous No.50377087]

>>50374966
>yeah man it's all a jewish conspiracy
This, but unironically.

[Anonymous No.50377837]

>>50377087
(You), but unironically.