[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / ic / jp / lit / sci / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports ] [ become a patron ] [ status ]
2023-11: Warosu is now out of extended maintenance.

/biz/ - Business & Finance

View post   
File: 17 KB, 588x143, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
50001527 No.50001527 [Reply] [Original]

Why is Eur*pe such a shithole?
Where should a reasonable person move to?

>> No.50001545

USA if you’re tough

>> No.50001562

>>50001527
Because it's communism that doesn't allow for innovation

>> No.50001573

This is the price of being a nanny state, that people don't talk about. Yes they'll drone on about their healthcare and their guarantees but ignore their lack of economic freedom. Everybody bears the weight of an odious tax saddle on their back, the old powers are guaranteed and entrenched by the massive overbearing states and nothing new can be established or innovated, nor is there much desire to.

>> No.50001620

>>50001545
Im affrade us is moving towards europian style economics / taxes

>> No.50001636

>>50001573
>consistency is le bad!!!
back to /pol/ mutt

>> No.50001655

>>50001620
>affrade
I rest my case

>> No.50001677
File: 293 KB, 670x833, 1619666680245.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
50001677

>>50001527
Satan bombed it 78 years ago.

>> No.50001708

>>50001636

>consistency

what?

>> No.50001721

>>50001527
because antitrust laws are actually enforced and not ignored completely due to "lobbyists"
notice how xe didn't say "most profitable" which of course is way more relevant to "driving innovation" (i.e. how Spotify completely changed the entire landscape of music distribution) but then it would be not true at all.

>> No.50001745

>>50001573
Under Hitler we had free healthcare, free welfare more economic liberty than anything you could possibly imagine and the greatest technological leap in all of recorded history. Howver mutts like yourself, have never known anything other than sholmo's heavy boot since the 1st day of your nation, and when he ordered you to destroy white civilization, you obeyed like cattle you are.

>> No.50001769

This isn't true at all.

There's a few tech companies etc

>> No.50001773
File: 1.69 MB, 426x213, wat.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
50001773

>>50001721

>antitrust laws are actually enforced
>that's why we have these eternal monopolies and no rising stars like the United States

It's like you guys get so used to being constantly patted on the back by the global media for being the "societal role model" that you forget how to think or reason whatsoever

>> No.50001810

EU undoubtedly has the best quality of life from all contintents. major companies being created & operated from USA or Asia doesn't really mean anything

>> No.50001824
File: 55 KB, 794x625, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
50001824

>>50001721
>Spotify
apple is gonna bankrupt them

>> No.50001831

>>50001810

Other than me making 3x as much as you (and getting taxed less) while sitting at home in my jammies, and buying a 4000 sq ft house in an idyllic neighborhood for the same cost as your crowded rowhouse in Little Somalia

>> No.50001871

Eastern Europe is way better for start-ups.
Low rent, low wages for workers who want to get rich quick with options, not as much red tape like in westoid europe.

>> No.50001917

>>50001810

>undoubtedly has the best quality

paying 60% of your Income in taxed so people who dont want to work can have a comfy live
waiting 16 month to get an appointment to an MRI scan

is that really the best quality?

>> No.50001932

>>50001831
they don't call it american dream for nothing. most people don't live like that. then again from what i've seen americans don't exactly live within their means either so that's a given.

>> No.50001946

For me, it's wirecard

>> No.50001953

>europeans don't throw trillions of shekels at shitty tech startups that promise you the moon on a stick and go under in less than a decade because it was 90% diversity hires and marketing bullshit with no actual working product
>here's ten reasons why that is a bad thing and needs fixing ASAP

>> No.50001954

>>50001831

you couldn't be more wrong lol

most EU countries have better taxes and economies than the entire collapsed America

>> No.50001984

>>50001917

which country is that?

>> No.50001991

>>50001932

Our lower middle class live much larger than yours, and so on and so forth. The only people that can demonstrably say they're living better in Europe are the abject poor who have everything guaranteed for them. What kind of life aspiration is that? To live in the land of the lowest common denominator and non ambitious? I'd rather die lol.

>>50001954

I mean, we know that's false, on both counts. Can't have your cake and eat it too. You wanted a womanly society and you got it: lots of guarantees, lots of government revenue, low amounts of freedom and upside. Usually you guys like to mock the word, why are you getting defensive now?

>> No.50002061

>>50001527
Most of Europe is basically a forgotten museum, it has already run out of the people wiling to witness it's erstwhile grandiosity, and soon it will run out of the last few old caretakers it still has.

>> No.50002068

>>50001527
The more I grow up, the more I hate americans.
They were a bunch of mud fuck basterds who LEFT EUROPE, those were the ones we didn't want back home.
They took their meth drug and won wars and now they are the main culture and all we want to do is work work work be productive and work

FUCK THIS

LIFE WAS NOT MADE FOR THIS ASSHOLES, WE ARE KILLING THE HUMAN RACE BY DRUGGING OUR KIDS AND EATING SHIT BUT YOU GET 1% INCREASE IN GDP SO YOU'RE HAPPPY ?

I just like Europe because I can get up, walk, buy the best bread or pastry, sit down on a bench near a park, eat the bread and just relax.

One other thing I noticed is the relationship to food and sharing, and the overall laid-back life.
European latin countries (spain, france, italy, portugal) know what life is all about : spending time with friends family, eating good meal, drinking good wine.

The rest of the word drinking on cheap beer that is like bread, eating things I would not give to my dog and complain why they don't have a good life.
Just go live in spain for a month. You'll know what is a good life by then.

>> No.50002077

>>50001527
> Where should a reasonable person move to?
USA, that's where things happen.

>> No.50002084

>>50001527
Lol just move to any island tax haven like the rest of them. Why pay taxes

>> No.50002086

>>50001545
>USA if you like nig nogs and want to replicate the feeling of living in Africa
Ftfy

>> No.50002101

>>50002068
The yuropeans that left were what made the US great. Theres not much left of those people, same as here.

>> No.50002112

>>50001991

you forgot lowest crime rates, beautiful nature, historical landmarks, incredible food, top vacation spots, the culture (which you have none of), and so on...

it seems like you never been to EU sir

>> No.50002114

>>50001527
USA hasn't existed for 300 years. Boom i just took a massive shit on top of OP. BTFO for life

>> No.50002136

>>50002068
> I just like Europe because I can get up, walk, buy the best bread or pastry, sit down....
You are describing interests of a tired old man, who wants to be around his family, he wants people to talk to him and take care of him. Europe is old, and frail, it has no energy left after getting destroyed in the two world wars.
Europe is Over in terms of society, culture and innovation.

>> No.50002147

>>50002112

You listed a lot of things that we have too. I'm talking about day to day quality of life, not where you vacation.

>> No.50002156

>>50001527
We are literally the new Soviet Union but without cool military stuff.

>> No.50002167
File: 511 KB, 1440x1080, 2genders.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
50002167

>>50001620
did you sleep thru the weekend?
we are rolling back the clock to strict constitutionalists.
There is a SC decision today that will gut all the alphabet agencies and we will be ripe for entreprenurship. everyone will easily support the new companies vs all of the ones who change their logos to rainbows.
Hoes mad.

>> No.50002244

>>50002147

many of the EU's citizens' day-to-day life is like what I described. not just the vacations.

try living in countries like Switzerland, Austria, Germany, France, Netherlands, Spain and you will understand the huge difference.

the difference that in EU even the poorest people are able to enjoy their lives much more than anybody else because they have 1. safety, 2. fun people around them, 3. culture

>> No.50002284

>>50002244

>implying you have lived here, in all 50 states

We have nature, food, places to vacation too, why are you deflecting from an economic discussion

>> No.50002303

>>50001527
as it should be unless you want to be a caricature of a country flooded by elon musks....oh wait....that's muttistan, a caricature

>> No.50002305

>>50001527
guess how you make a profit?
underpay your staff.
usa has "large" companies in many cases because their staff let themselves be walked over.

>> No.50002306

>>50002244
Only dying old fags live in Europeans country side.

>> No.50002335

>>50001810
>muh quality of life
wtf is that even supposed to mean? yuros always cope by going on about how great their quality of life is. sounds like cope to me.

>> No.50002353

>>50002305

Our incomes are higher than everywhere but Switzerland. The American poor make more than the European middle class.

>> No.50002361

>>50002305
Even the underpaid employees in US make more than your average europoor.

>> No.50002370

>>50002244
>try living in countries like Switzerland, Austria, Germany, France, Netherlands, Spain and you will understand the huge difference.
i live in Germany and this place fucking sucks
onyl reason Im not dirt poor and havent kmsed myself is because I work remote for a US company
would move to america in a heartbeat if I got the chance, fuck europe. this place is only good if you have zero ambition in life. most people suck of the governments tit through welfare or working in the bureaucracy.

>> No.50002375

>>50001984
The free nation of Imaginationland.
It's the country burgerlanders know the best.

>> No.50002385
File: 1.90 MB, 1280x720, 1656341794656.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
50002385

>>50001562
Indeed, the world needs more American innovation like this enterprising young woman!

>> No.50002417

>>50001527
Economic instability and disruption are not good things, Shlomo.

>> No.50002441

>>50002284

OP calls EU a shithole because no new large companies are being established here.

my argument is that you can't call a continent a shithole just because it doesn't have the world's largest companies.

rather look at the quality of life of its citizens, which is comparably better than the USA. but it seems you can't wrap your head around it since you are so driven by meaningless stats

>> No.50002446

>>50001984
sounds like Canada or UK to me

>> No.50002447

>>50001527
So you’re saying they were all founded by the racist homophobic sexist islamophobic transphobic nazi bigots?
Huh who would’ve thought

>> No.50002458

>>50002441
> which is comparably better than the USA
Nope

>> No.50002464

>>50002353

that doesn't mean shit when your rent & everything else is 3-4 times higher lol

>> No.50002482

>>50002086
>because everyone is a retarded urbanite faggot like you

>> No.50002500

>>50002441

The OP's implication is economic stagnation. Economic stagnation implies rot and that inevitably implies declining standards of life. Lower relative incomes and economic freedom. I don't consider your life better than mine. You can't buy a large beautiful house with a mountainside view for $400k, but I can. You can't make $150k working from home in a low-effort tech job while enjoying comparably lower total taxes, but I can. You are a slave to the system you cherish that promises guarantees in exchange for your freedom and upside. That's the exchange that has been made, acting as if we don't have endless expanses of nature, plenty of quiet small towns, and vacation spots, is just retarded, because we have that in excess.

>> No.50002511

>>50002370
Yes the US is 100% the best place for amibitous people. If you want to work 16 hours a day like an autistic angloid and sleep on the floor of a smelly apartment with 4 pajeets and never actually have any joy, or quality sex, or a family. Its very fitting that the US is the home of mass perversion, obese disgusting subhumans that barely resemble real people, and all kinds of freaks. Its all because they follow le ambition for muh economy model.

>> No.50002518

>>50001527
weather is pretty nice around the Mediterranean.

>> No.50002521

>>50002464

Our rent is not 3-4 times higher, and our homes cost less per sq. ft. They're comparing a studio or 1 bed vs. a full ass house, which is a pipe dream throughout much of Europe.

>> No.50002543

>>50002511

on point.

>> No.50002556

>>50001636
What consistency? It’s all shit, literally everything managed by state is shit in Europe retard

>> No.50002569

>>50001984
Every modern state

>> No.50002575

>>50002061
Europe is not dying, it is being killed

>> No.50002582

>>50002068
so you hate germanic and nordic people is what you are saying? they are work autists and dont share food with their guests kek

>> No.50002585

>>50001991
>Our lower middle class live much larger than yours, and so on and so forth
great argument, burger

>> No.50002586

>>50002482
>because they will stop at urban areas
Ever heard of Waco

>> No.50002609

>>50002077
>that's where niggers happen
ftfy

>> No.50002614

>>50002500

1. there is no economic stagnation in Europe
2. neither a lower economic freedom
3. taxes are much lower in most countries
4. you keep talking about you, you & you. 90% of the America isn't like you

>> No.50002636

>>50002464
this
burgers think they're so great because they're taxed like 1% less than europeans, meanwhile they pay through the nose for everything like healthcare, transport, housing, etc.

>> No.50002640

>>50002086
t. Sheltered eurofag that wont make it

>> No.50002651

>>50002569

not in EU. taxes are 20-30% in most countries and healthcare is much better than US, don't even bring that up :D

>> No.50002655

>>50002614

Ok, thanks for your opinion. As if I'm not starkly aware of all the retards here who make way more than they deserve.

>> No.50002662

>>50002500
you don't think europe has highly paid tech workers who can work remotely? shut up, dumb mutt

>> No.50002670
File: 69 KB, 736x627, pain.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
50002670

>>50002575
I know but the end result is same regardless. It was Great, probably the Greatest.

>> No.50002686
File: 43 KB, 450x533, 1654211284894.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
50002686

>>50001636
>Change is le bad!!!

>> No.50002696

>>50002662

No, I don't. I've job searched through Europe companies, the salaries are quite literally, as in I'm not exaggerating, 30% of what mine is for the same role and level of experience. I don't understand how you guys live, just paycheck to paycheck in your eternal miserable state tax slave grind? I'm planning for early retirement. I'll probably be vacationing in your country doing no work at all by the time you still have 20 years of work left. Keep celebrating those chains though!

>> No.50002737

>>50002696

you do understand that the average costs for a comfortable quality life in EU are less than $2k/month, right?

>> No.50002767

>>50002614
All of what you posted is factually wrong, anyone can verify my on internet.

>> No.50002788

>>50002737

You can do that here too. Most simply choose not to since they want excess and don't bother with any budgeting whatsoever.

>> No.50002801

>>50001745
What are you gonna do about it? Complain on the internet? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.50002809

>>50002651
I live in Latvia, eastern EU. Average monthly salary is ~1000 eur after tax. Food prices are similar to that in central and western europe. I pay 34% tax a self-employed person, it's about 45% for a LLC employee since on top of that 34 (that already includes the social tax) the employer has to pay additional social tax out of their pocket.
Waiting for a subsidized medical appointment can take months, 6+ in case of MRI. Of course you can get an appointment faster if you pay out of your own pocket, with the same MRI being 120-200 eur depending on the body part and the clinic. A lot of people decide to pay for a medical insurance (privately) which covers a part of the expenses, which cuts into the shitty salaries even more.

EU is a lot of countries, some have lower taxes and better healthcare.

>> No.50002851

>>50002809
is being in EU actually help your cuntry?

>> No.50002877

>>50002809
Bro i hope you get out of that meme country, unless you have a family you are close to and want to live near to. How much is gas there?

>> No.50002917

>>50002767

nope it's not )

>> No.50002919

>>50002696
>30% of what mine is for the same role and level of experience
nope. you're just making shit up
the salaries might be a little lower, but they make up for it by not having to pay through the nose for things like healthcare premiums + fees + tip for every doctor visit

>> No.50002929

>>50002917
Cope

>> No.50002943

>>50002809
latvia and eastern EU in general is poor as fuck bro. it's not a fair comparison

>> No.50002954

>>50002919

It's not a little lower. It's significantly lower. We're talking about tech here. There is a known, major gap in salaries between Americans and Euros.

>> No.50002986

>>50002919
I don’t pay shit for healthcare. My wife’s health insurance covers all my pharmaceuticals and past my deductible (about $3000) everything is paid for outright. So if I needed brain surgery I could go to the best doctor in the US and pay $3000 and get in within a few weeks to a month max. I could go to the Mayo Clinic and have my gleoblastoma operated on lickety split. Can you say the same?

>> No.50003036

>>50002986
Yes, because private healthcare exists everywhere.

>> No.50003060
File: 44 KB, 1284x382, 80B7E8F4-E48B-4C9D-BAB7-972E7625BD57.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
50003060

>>50002954
Let’s pull our cocks out and show ‘em.

This is my monthly pay after taxes.

>> No.50003075

>>50001573
>lack of economic freedom.
You mean America? Lmao.

>> No.50003081

>>50003036
No, I mean can you pay $3000 only and get a $100,000 + surgery done within a month?

>> No.50003096
File: 308 KB, 2300x940, 1563456137041.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
50003096

>>50001636
Retard.
>>50001745
>>50001677

>> No.50003141

>>50001527
yeah one more bullrun and im probably moving to either australia, uae or usa no way im staying in fucking europe shithole taxrape

>> No.50003171

>>50001527
truth is, all the innovation moved along with the smart people and jews who left europe before and during ww2

>> No.50003175

Mario Draghi will unite the EU. And with Italian fiscal and monetary policy the EU will flourish.

>> No.50003181
File: 25 KB, 275x530, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
50003181

>>50002851
A ton of financial help in the first 10-15 years after we joined for public projects such as roads. Ease of movement between the countries for tourism, education or work. A lot of people left forever, some returned after getting education and work experience.

>>50002877
>How much is gas there?
See pic related, it's Circle K prices for today. It was a bit more expensive a couple of months ago.
Natural gas, central heating and electricity bills have been raping people last winter and continue to do so to a lesser degree now. I'd get about 250 eur in utility bills on top of 400 eur mortgage for my 3 room apartment. Electricity prices have quadrupled in a year.
Projected bills for autumn/winter are insane.

>i hope you get out of that meme country
I get ~2000 eur after taxes by working remotely for a German company. Went to uni and worked abroad before. I wouldn't know how to live on an average local salary. Getting double that is manageable, but I'm dumping all of my income into renovating my apartment so I can move out of my parent's place. Material and labor costs have increased a lot in the past year or two.
I don't even know which country to move to right now, it seems like everywhere has some major issues.

>> No.50003202

>>50003181
I guess EU helps weaker countries but also weaker countries drag everyone down.
I think it's utopian

>> No.50003249

>>50002061
I don't know what you people are smoking, literally half of Asia is slowly migrating to Europe

>> No.50003369

>>50001810
But they have Gypsies there.

>> No.50003641

>>50001636
fucking retard detected

>> No.50003655

>>50001573
Pretty much this. I'm a partner in a local distribution company here in the states and i've seen first hand how certain industries become "guaranteed" by the government. I can't imagine that at a European scale.

>> No.50003658

>>50002696
Then you get sick at 60 and start from 0 or in debt and go to work again.

>> No.50003667

>>50001745
What are you 120 years old? The fuck are you talking about like you lived through it.

>> No.50003697

>>50002167
>There is a SC decision today that will gut all the alphabet agencies and we will be ripe for entreprenurship.
Which one?

>> No.50003820

>>50002167
>ban abortion so the numbers of niggerinos are increased exponentially
>HAHA WE ARE BECOMING BASED AGAIN

You feel for the controlled opposition.

>> No.50003881

>>50002919
>we dont have to pay for medical
You do retarded europoor, it's part of your huge income tax. The suspension of reality with the euros in this thread is astounding. I have no problem admitting fault with the US system when appropriate, but you guys are next level diluted and cant even be objective due to arrogance or pride

>> No.50004011

>>50001573
Unlike Boeing, Google, Amazon, your entire state funded banking sector, the Arms industry, military welfare, welfare state etc etc
You mutts certainly know how to ignore your own "freedoms" and "market forces".
Crapitalism is always a close knit unit of state and industry, always has been always will be.

>> No.50004679

>>50002801
You know jews are next, right?

>> No.50004696

>>50001527
Doesnt matter where you live as long as you have money

>> No.50005337

>>50001527
Singapore or Dubai

I don't see anything else

>> No.50005359

>>50004011

It's all relative, faggot. The US is hardly pure either but Europe is a foreboding of what's to come if we continue down this path.

>> No.50005370

>>50002586
Government overreach is a rampant occurrence in all parts of Europe except Switzerland

>> No.50005378

>>50004696

Ok. So where do you make money, to have money?

>> No.50005387

>>50002575
this. Mercilessly killed by jews and their greedy US goylems.

>> No.50005451

>>50002244
>safety
>fun people
lmao not in france no

>> No.50005453

>>50001527
>Europe is shithole because it provides highest standards of living on the planet to its people instead of feeding entire economic growth to 1%

>> No.50005473
File: 119 KB, 634x815, 1636991533398.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
50005473

>>50005453

Oh yeah. A small apartment, basic food, a tiny car, so fucking hard to come by in the United States. WE SVFFER!

>> No.50005477

>>50001527
usa or aus
isn't a hard question

>> No.50005585

>>50002244
who fucking gives a shit about poor shitters?
i could not give a fuck how the most worthless pathetic 20% of society live
fuck them and let them die in a ditch
middle class americans live like kings compared to europeans and they aren't so amazing that they deserve twice the salary europeans get it's just their economy isn't fucked and saddled with impossible baggage
even healthcare is a good example: if you're an actually functioning human being with a sensible healthcare plan then in america you have zero waiting times and the best service in the world whereas in europe you have months long waiting lists and decade old service because the state is too busy tending to the chronically ill obese shitters of society
i am fucking tired of human trash dragging the rest of us down
i am fucking tired of paying nearly 40% of my gross income in tax

>> No.50005636

>>50004011
That Boeing survived after so many crashes proves that the US is turning into an entrenched economy with feudal overlords as well. Sad!

>> No.50005939

>>50001527
14th IGN 1991
31 Metro AG 1996
44 ThyssenKrupp 1999
52 Orange 1988
50 Aviva 2000
Should I continue?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_European_companies_by_revenue

>> No.50006000

>>50001677
Get btfo nazi incel. Jews are champions of the Earth. Cope and seethe

>> No.50006005

>>50001527
Shit government. America will be the same soon.

Fuck the EU. If you support them, fuck you too.

>> No.50006142
File: 2.09 MB, 500x500, 1655169911011.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
50006142

>The pure eurocope in this this thread

>>50005939
>A merger of two multinational conglomerates is a brand new one!

lmfao you dumb cattle are something else you'd think listing out THYSEENKRUPP would have clued you in jesus christ stop coping so much

>> No.50006243

>>50006142
>Nooo please ignore the data, here is this cherry picking to disprove your list, clearly you are coping, aaaaaah
Nigga, european entrepreneurs go to USA for cash and to pay less taxes. Do you think mutts can innovate?

>> No.50006302

>>50001527
Unironically China and anyone who tells you otherwise is brainwashed by propaganda.

>> No.50006305

>>50002385
fuck, now i'm horny

>> No.50006372
File: 12 KB, 501x309, IQ_capital.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
50006372

>>50006243

>Nigga, european entrepreneurs go to USA for cash and to pay less taxes

Do you think anyone's arguing against that? That's the literal basis of the United States since it was created. A European peasant wakes up, has an idea, says "this place sucks" and then goes off to America to actually make some cash and do something. And then they become an American. It's the only reason we've retained some/any semblance of economic freedom up to this point, that spirit guides the country even as nefarious forces attempt to make us a soft socialist nanny state too.

>> No.50008559

>>50006000
Then why are they so ugly and obnoxious and everyone hates them?

>> No.50008911

>>50001527
DPR or LPR. Earn your citizenship by war crimes against hohols. Don't gigachad at me I already know.

>> No.50008973
File: 391 KB, 952x2959, Mayans.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
50008973

>>50006000
>champions of the earth
>get BTFO'd by a bunch of mayans in the Andes in loin clothes
>topkek.jpg

>> No.50009009

>>50001527
What is the number here in murrica?

>> No.50009132

>>50001984
Germany. 52% income tax. 19% VAT. And a bunch of other hidden tax you dont have in the US. Medical system is so overloaded if you rely on the public healthcare (which is really no difference than an insurance in the US, just you cannot opt out) enjoy your 1+ year waiting times for a scan

Not even mentioning our energy prices having gone up 80% yoy. Please get me out of this shithole.

>> No.50009399
File: 91 KB, 634x847, 19260316-7534027-image-a-31_1570116493060.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
50009399

>Government bureaucracy makes it nigh-on impossible to start a small business
>Once you do, the government still limits your hours of operation
>More taxes than America which are becoming less optimized by the day

>> No.50009866

>>50001527
kek. I suggest you move to the metaverse and connect with some famous athletes that you love. It will become a world to the world soon fag.

>> No.50009894

>>50001636
It would make sense if your ethnic demographics were consistent.

>> No.50009916

>>50001954
What the fuck is a better tax? It's like arguing that "WE HAVE DA BETA REGULATIONS COME TO US COMPANIES"

>> No.50010571

>>50008559
the question that ended it all