/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.49805068]

>germany phasing out all nuclear power plants
>nobody actually realizes why they are doing it
I'll spill it I guess. Nuclear power plants have a lifespan of about 40 years on average. It takes a highly competent and highly skilled team of engineers to shut them down safely. Germany shutting down their nuclear power plants now is an implicit admission that the German elite do not believe they will have competent engineers in 40 years to shut them down. Rather than risk catastrophe in decades they are taking advantage of the remaining quality stock in the country today

[Anonymous No.49805080]

between this and the Russian gas being cutoff will they just go back to the stone age or what?

[Anonymous No.49805104]

No, we started shutting down our nuclear power plants because a tsunami hit Japan.

Yes, really.

[Anonymous No.49805113]

>>49805068
Is nuclear energy even real?

[Anonymous No.49805166]

>>49805104
Great. So how long until you have to have an electric car and have no electricity to put into it?

[Anonymous No.49805204]

>>49805113
It is one of most bang for buck and most green energy we have right now.
If waste is managed well ofc.

[Anonymous No.49805218]

>>49805166
I dunno. People meme about our greens being so powerful but we still got no speed limit on the autobahn despite it being increasingly undeniably the better option (and I say this as someone who doesn’t want a speed limit). Our car lobby is strong, in part because the automobile industry is still big.

[Anonymous No.49805243]

>>49805204
waste is the fuel for gen4 fission designs

[Anonymous No.49805244]

>>49805204
I think thorium powers plants produce less waste and are a lot safer

[Anonymous No.49805294]

>>49805068
>>49805104
Neither of these morons has even the remotest idea about what's going on: Germany has been trying to regain control of its power supply after disastrous privitization policies of the 1990s. Nuclear is not popular and is too expensive and centralized compared to smarter alternatives such as geothermal, natural gas, and hydro. Swedish multinational Vattenfall, who controls Germany's nuclear plants, tied up Germany in a multibillion dollar law suit for half a decade. They are now being kicked out of the country. I hope this helps /biz/ be less totally ignorant about what's going on

[Anonymous No.49805324]

>>49805244
Well that is too nuclear power plant...

[Anonymous No.49805367]

>>49805294
Vattenfall does not own our power plants lmao
E-on and RWE own the majority. And yes, the “Atomausstieg” happened after a massive public hysteria following Fukushima.

[Anonymous No.49805437]

>>49805367
Keep on shilling vattenfall nigger

[Anonymous No.49805514]

>>49805218
I thought every retarded western nation had a mandatory ice vehicle ban. So much so that I looked it up and 2035 is yours.

[Anonymous No.49805521]

>>49805104
>Nuclear is so safe guys
Isn't this a just a contrarian meme?
Maybe plant failures happen less often than oil spills, but the damage they do is practically permanent.

[Anonymous No.49805570]

>>49805068
>>nobody actually realizes why they are doing it
>I'll spill it I guess. Nuclear power plants have a lifespan of about 40 years on average. It takes a highly competent and highly skilled team of engineers to shut them down safely. Germany shutting down their nuclear power plants now is an implicit admission that the German elite do not believe they will have competent engineers in 40 years to shut them down. Rather than risk catastrophe in decades they are taking advantage of the remaining quality stock in the country today
You are completely wrong. It is simply the cost and difficulty in building infinite time safe storage for spent fuel.
Go watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoyKe-HxmFk

[Anonymous No.49805589]

>>49805437
>Vattenfall Europe Nuclear Energy GmbH is a subsidiary of the Swedish power company Vattenfall that has majority and minority ownerships of three nuclear power plants around Hamburg in Germany. It is located in Überseering 12, 22297 Hamburg.[1]

>Brunsbüttel Nuclear Power Plant (66,7% Vattenfall Europe Nuclear Energy GmbH, 33,3% E.ON), taken out of service in 2007.
>Krümmel Nuclear Power Plant (50% Vattenfall Europe Nuclear Energy GmbH, 50% E.ON), reactor not in service since 4 July 2009.
>Brokdorf Nuclear Power Plant (20% Vattenfall Europe Nuclear Energy GmbH, 80% E.ON)

Swedes can’t even cobble together enough ownership for two plans you spout about them “controlling our plants”. And newsflash, every energy company was in legal battles with the government because that’s what happens when they tell you to shut down your operations. There were all sorts of disputes over shutdown costs, compensation, waste management, etc.
this is a really weird, just plain wrong hill to die on. The supposed swedish takeover is the least of our concern in the energy sector.

[Anonymous No.49805597]

>>49805521
Nothing is perfect. Realistic alternatives are coal and gas, both of which are forbidden so where will they get their energy from? The green alternatives are memes.

[Anonymous No.49805607]

>>49805521
It does not matter if that is safe. You cannot store the waste safely in any way that facilitates it being low cost/reasonable cost energy. You may as well pay thots to peddle alternators nude by the time you factor in waste disposal.

[Anonymous No.49805614]

>>49805514
I heard about that but I’ll only believe it when I see it. If I recall it’s an EU plan, so go figure.

[Anonymous No.49805629]

>>49805597
You misunderstand many many things. The only way to get arabs and poor people form africa to leave europe is to make heating their living spaces during winter very very expensive

[Anonymous No.49805639]

>>49805521
It's just shifting the damage around.
Fossil fuel damage is everywhere but it adds up to something big.
Nuclear disasters are localized but they are *disasters* that can leave places uninhabitable for hundreds of years.
Though that's ignoring the fact that nuclear powerplants built today have dozens of failsafes and are designed not to explode unlike Chernobyl.

[Anonymous No.49805642]

>>49805294
>Nuclear is not popular
This can be changed at the flick of a switch. Normies like or dislike whatever they are told to dislike. They used to be against homosexual men grooming young boys into fucktoys, now they're all for it.

[Anonymous No.49805644]

>>49805521

I see you are a victim of 'muh nuclear FUD'. modern plants use the moderator and coolant in one fluid. If the coolant disappeared they would stop reacting. You could literally walk away from a gen III reactor forever, and it would never meltdown.

[Anonymous No.49805666]

>>49805629
and poos and pakis etc. If we can't get them out, we'll freeze them out, they are on the lowest end of the economic scale, suffer most from cold. Personally I am fully behind this plan.

[Anonymous No.49805664]

>>49805589
Its over, only tears now

[Anonymous No.49805670]

>>49805068
IT'S BECAUSE NUCLEAR ENERGY WAS NEVER REAL. NUKES ARE NOT REAL.
RETARDS!

[Anonymous No.49805689]

>>49805664
Not sure what you’re trying to tell me?

[Anonymous No.49805691]

>>49805644
>I see you are a victim of 'muh nuclear FUD'. modern plants use the moderator and coolant in one fluid. If the coolant disappeared they would stop reacting. You could literally walk away from a gen III reactor forever, and it would never meltdown.
>>49805607>>49805642

You cannot store the waste safely in any way that facilitates it being low cost/reasonable cost energy.

[Anonymous No.49805693]

>>49805639
>they are *disasters* that can leave places uninhabitable for hundreds of years.
This is total fucking bullshit. Give one example wher ethis happened.
>muh Chernobyl
People still live in the forest village, old people who didn't want to leave. And there is a growing community of outcasts and ne'er-do-wells seeking refuge in the zone. And workers literally go to the power plant every day. You know only one reactor out of three blew up?

[Anonymous No.49805710]

>>49805693
>You cannot store the waste safely in any way that facilitates it being low cost/reasonable cost energy.

[Anonymous No.49805714]

>>49805570
>infinite time safe storage for spent fuel.
The very concept of "ultra dangerous nuclear waste" is purely fictitious fud made up by the oil cartel.

[Anonymous No.49805729]

>>49805710>>49805693

You cannot store the waste safely in any way that facilitates it being low cost/reasonable cost energy.
Go watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoyKe-HxmFk

[Anonymous No.49805732]

>>49805691
>>49805710
What, specifically do you know about "nuclear waste"? What makes you think it's so dangerous? If it's hot enough to be a problem, it can be fuel for another reactor. The only reason that hot isotopes are left in barrels is purely a political choice.

[Anonymous No.49805753]

>>49805714
>The very concept of "ultra dangerous nuclear waste" is purely fictitious fud made up by the oil cartel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoyKe-HxmFk

[Anonymous No.49805760]

>>49805729
I'm not interested in watching some poz video that pushes an agenda. What isotopes in particular are you concerned about? What are their half-lives and decay products? What quantities are their produced in?

[Anonymous No.49805767]

Guys, I don't think nuclear energy is real.

[Anonymous No.49805777]

>>49805732
>What, specifically do you know about "nuclear waste"? What makes you think it's so dangerous?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoyKe-HxmFk

[Anonymous No.49805788]

>>49805760
>no agendas!!!!!
>more nuclear tho

[Anonymous No.49805789]

>>49805729
Russia is in the process of implementing a full cycle right now. They will recycle the spent fuel to make more fuel. This is the future of energy and not wind turbines, solar panels and other "green" shit.

[Anonymous No.49805792]

>>49805104
Not exactly this but because Fukushima was an attack using Stuxnet which only Siemens PLCs are vulnerable to. All of Germany's reactors were controlled by Siemens PLCs and they didn't want to be caught with their pants down.

[Anonymous No.49805795]

>>49805760
>What isotopes in particular are you concerned about?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoyKe-HxmFk

[Anonymous No.49805817]

>>49805789
Russians are fucking idiots. Nuclear waste is toxic for 100,000 years. Stuff it up putins arse and fuck off.

[Anonymous No.49805826]

>>49805792
Imma keep it real, the public causing the political pressure for the move had no idea about anything except “nuclear bad”.

[Anonymous No.49805862]

>>49805788
>more nuclear tho
Yes, that's right. What's your alternative? Depopulation until shitty power sources like wind can provide what we need? I guess that's one option.

[Anonymous No.49805869]

>>49805826
>nuclear bad!!

WHY IS THAT?

OH RIGHT ITS OWNED BY FOREIGN ENTITIES AND SHOULD BE REPLACED BY MUNICPAL POWER COOPS WHICH

L I T E R A L Y

PAY YOU FOR USING THEM

fuck i hate dipshit nuclear faggots

[Anonymous No.49805872]

>>49805570
Oil Kike.

[Anonymous No.49805883]

>>49805817
>Nuclear waste is toxic for 100,000 years
More WEF lies.

[Anonymous No.49805901]

>>49805104
stfu

[Anonymous No.49805903]

>>49805862
G E O T H E R M A L

[Anonymous No.49805919]

>>49805869
Nigger unless you were a hippie opposing them since the 80s, the only reason you thought nuclear bad at that time is because Fukushima made the news. That’s it, you can discuss the merits of the decision all you want, but the fact of the matter is it was entirely driven by hysteria.

And I’m not a “nuclearfag”, I’m just saying how it happened.

[Anonymous No.49805931]

>>49805792
>reactor gets hit by a literal tsunami
>blames stuxnet

[Anonymous No.49805945]

its because of the Jewish Kalergi strategy to flood Germany with nigger apes until it's America 2 or Africa 3

[Anonymous No.49805962]

Wonder why that would be.

[Anonymous No.49805965]

>>49805691
>You cannot store the waste safely in any way that facilitates it being low cost/reasonable cost energy.
You send it to Russia, where they just bury the barrels in taiga. This is how it is already done, simple and efficiently.

[Anonymous No.49805988]

>>49805919
>please Vattenfall take my money

[Anonymous No.49806003]

>I'll spill it I guess.

>Nuclear power plants have a lifespan of about 40 years on average.
[Citation needed]
>It takes a highly competent and highly skilled team of engineers to shut them down safely.
[Citation needed]
>Germany shutting down their nuclear power plants now is an implicit admission that the German elite do not believe they will have competent engineers in 40 years to shut them down.
[Citation needed]
>Rather than risk catastrophe in decades they are taking advantage of the remaining quality stock in the country today
[Citation needed]

[Anonymous No.49806016]

>>49805988
You are one weird dude. Did a Vattenfall engineer bang your mom or something? This is such a weird gripe.

[Anonymous No.49806039]

>>49806016

[Anonymous No.49806052]

>>49805903
Yeah that has a lot of potential. Somewhat location dependent but is already working very well in the right place eg NZ. I like beamed solar from orbital arrays for reliability but that will take rocketry advances.

[Anonymous No.49806078]

>>49805614
The same idiots caused the current oil shortage in the same fashion.

[Anonymous No.49806120]

>>49805629
See Canada, that will just be a justification to tax you more so they can give it to them.

[Anonymous No.49806144]

They are shut down in anticipation of the big Solar Event and the Magnetic Pole flip in the 2030 - 2040s.
You will own nothing because you will be dead.
You will be happy because you will be dead.
The Great Reset is not what you think

[Anonymous No.49806192]

>>49805795
Jesus you nigger you just spam the same dramatic trailer for a dumb short film. Instead of being a nigger, post actual reasons why nuclear waste is hard to store encased in concrete under ground forever (you cannot btw)

[Anonymous No.49806279]

>>49805294
Lamao, this schizzo is hilarious. He reminds me of those who think Ericsson, the Swedish telecommunications company, controls the world because their technology is in every Internet switch and modem.

[Anonymous No.49806459]

>>49805068
Where’s Alsace-Lotharingia

[Anonymous No.49806497]

>>49806459
An inseparable part of France, same as French Guiana.

[Anonymous No.49806528]

>>49805521
>two major malfunctions in 40 years

[Anonymous No.49806535]

>>49806497
Including negroes?

[Anonymous No.49806583]

>>49805068
>shut down power plants
>at the same time they are forced to cut down Russian energy to save face
Germuttny commits suicide for the third time in less than 150 years

[Anonymous No.49806584]

>>49806535
That is a done deal ever since the scramble for Africa. If France gets rid of niggers, it loses its remaining colonies and influence.

[Anonymous No.49806652]

>>49805068
the decisionmakers are unable to get to the core of the problem and create bodies that make sure schoolbooks are relatable and deliver common sense understanding of physical problems using math
there is ONE publisher who manages to do this with one publication for one specific trade and even they still have flaws and mistakes in their schoolbooks, think about it there are mistakes in a engineering schoolbok for people who have no clue but want to learn about this...
80% of all engineering type schoolbooks are utter trash that is a pain in the ass to work with and will leave psychological marks on you if you force yourself to do so, mind you it is the year 2022...
its a shame that this incompetence is allowed in these positions because of nepotism and outside influences, destroying a once beautiful nation and put so much potential to waste leaving humanity with the chance behind that the needle in the haystack savant somehow appears out of this idiocracy

[Anonymous No.49806719]

>>49806583
>commits suicide
that would imply that the germutts rule themselves for the last 150 years and are not herded like cattle by voldemort and his gang of death eaters

[Anonymous No.49806741]

>>49806584
You can’t influence your own cities faggot

[Anonymous No.49806765]

>>49805068
why does everyone hate or ignore nuclear power guys? its tech that has been around for 70+ years this was supposed to be the answer to all our energy problems and reduce our reliance on fossil fuels, no need for wars, not much waste, save polar bears, cheap costs. these are all supposed to be driving market factors that usher in new technology but none of it seemed to matter? can someone explain cos i just dont get why it didnt work out when all signs are pointing to it should

[Anonymous No.49807392]

>>49805068
>Germany shutting down their nuclear power plants now is an implicit admission that the German elite do not believe they will have competent engineers in 40 years to shut them down.

Yeah, none of that is true. Better reason is pic related.

[Anonymous No.49807488]

>>49805514
They (the politicians) don't actually believe that shit. They figure they'll get there and just push that date back further and further forever. What'll be funny is when Tesla sales start overtaking every other single manufacturer and the politicians change their tune overnight to be anti-EV.

[Anonymous No.49807702]

>>49805068
>>49807392
EU is an USA colony, a lot of countries just follow whats popular there, even the chinese.
The only reason EU started thinking about nuclear power again is because they have no choice now thanks to Ukraine conflict.

[Anonymous No.49807819]

>>49806765
they all fell for the chernobyl and nuclear waste fud. guess we will all die a slow death from the 80% of all emissions coming from cargo fuel ships.

[Anonymous No.49807865]

>>49805068
Germans are idiots, been outdone by fucking brits and french in every single strategic event over the last 200 years despite the fact they had like 4 occasion to become #1 world power.

>>49805521
Nuclear is safe as long as you don't cheap out on maintenance and have a population that averages around 100 IQ... oh and that you don't build the reactor on the fucking most seismically active coast on the planet.
Places like India or China building nuclear plants is worrying because they have terrible work ethics and cut corners everywhere (see the Wu Flu) but in Europe we could go nuts and completely abandon oil and gas as energy source, we had the opportunity between the 60s and 90s but only France and Finland really did something.

[Anonymous No.49807875]

>>49806528
>reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.49807882]

>>49806765
nuclear works but israel gets upset over muslim countries getting it

[Anonymous No.49807890]

>>49805068
Because they are fake

[Anonymous No.49807891]

>>49806652
Where are you from? Impressive level of autism

[Anonymous No.49807911]

Germany is a failed State at this point. They have hyperinflation and no energy and just elected a Communist.

[Anonymous No.49807986]

>>49806765
It comes down to a few aspects
>Nuclear power is expensive to set up
>Nuclear power requires smart people to not fuck up
>If a meltdown happens, it can be a big problem
>People are scared of it
>Need to get in early or you're spending more down the line

It's expensive because you need an extensive project to build and make the reactors, along with multiple safety regulations and systems that are all built for worst-case scenarios. Ideally, we never need this because it's always human error that causes the melt down or some event that has come down to just poor placement.
You need smart people too. Goes without saying. Operators also need to know that their job is important, which is something that depends on a lot of societal problems or just problems in general.
People are scared because of previous meltdowns. They might have a point if they're worried about the people operating them, but usually they focus around the idea of Nuclear power which isn't where you should focus at all when criticising it (multiple issues with it).
Last point is something that's been noticed economically, nuclear power would've been a slam dunk years ago. It's much like rolling out fibre across a country, it's cheaper to do it all at once in a bulk than focusing on one area, except the roll out period was even more generous and yet we still managed to do nothing with it. Now it's expensive to buy fuel and fuel is held by people with complicated diplomatic relationships that didn't exist 30-40 years ago.

The only other things you could say is that the waste it does produce is harmful (although I'd take it over everything else).
As to why it never took off? Lobbying and fear. Fear because of Chernobyl and other incidents, then Lobbying.

[Anonymous No.49808034]

Zey try to ban le nuclear of us too in European commission, why are zey like zisse bro ?? Litteraly why ?

[Anonymous No.49808114]

>>49805729
Anon that is a scifi movie.

Enriched uranium has a half life of 50 years and is safely kept in lead lined barrels in salt mines. France has been doing this without issues for decades.

[Anonymous No.49808141]

>>49805817
It is no longer dangerous after 50 years. The alpha radiation has died off long before then and you only have some longering gamma radiation left, which isnt very harmful.

[Anonymous No.49809030]

>>49805691
fling that shit into space nigga

[Anonymous No.49809132]

>>49805691
Literally just drop it in the ocean. Water is a fantastic neutron moderator.

[Anonymous No.49809158]

>>49805104
tahts the official reason they gave
the real reason is even dumber than that
it only came out after some senior politician retired and said it in an interview
tehy wanted to appease to green voters in a state election thats why they got out of nuclear
I can post a screenshot of the newspaper article for proof
think about this for a second
they completely fucked up the energy supply for a STATE ELECTION. not even a federal election.
germans are so fucking stupid they deserve whats coming to them.
too bad they will drag me down with them

[Anonymous No.49809291]

The problem with nuclear is it’s used to make nukes.
>inb4 that’s not true!
Ok, you know how when you mix gasoline and styrofoam to make napalm?
Imagine if napalm had the city destroying capabilities of an Atom bomb.
If this were the case Western countries would be really, really hesitant to help propagate gasoline usage throughout the world now wouldn’t they?
It’s basically this situation but with nuclear power.

Countries that have invested in nuclear but don’t have weapons, like Japan for example, are nearly universally recognized as capable of going nuclear in a month tops.
Because you already have the gasoline plant ready to go, so making the napalm is ez pz.
It’s literally that stupid.

It isn’t so much oil fud, or hippie fud, as glowies making sure that domestic development is as sandbagged as possible.
State controlled development is fine btw, because breeder reactors are literally how they have to make the materials for bombs.
A big reason why Germany is so sandbagged on nuclear, despite their engineering pedigree, is because both Euro glowies and Anglo glowies having a gentleman’s agreement to not let Hans get his hands on nukes.
A lot of Euro environmentalist organizations glow in the dark, because it’s all tied back to the original greenpeace movement, which also interfered with nuclear development.
>Inb4 meds.
Trust me, if there’s one thing glowies are “whatever it takes” on it’s nuclear stuff.
They will do whatever it takes to keep that tech’s proliferation as sandbagged as possible.
If humanity restarted nuke tech research in earnest we could have bombs that reshape continents.
Most research was mothballed when people were still using paper and chalkboard.

[Anonymous No.49809426]

All these western countries want to phase out burning fossil fuels yet I haven't seen an alternative solution which will produce the same amount of electric which doesn't include nuclear.
You can build thousands of wind turbines but you need land, same goes for solar, geothermal depends on geography, tidal energy is only viable on the coast or rivers.

[Anonymous No.49809816]

>>49809291
>A big reason why Germany is so sandbagged on nuclear, despite their engineering pedigree, is because both Euro glowies and Anglo glowies having a gentleman’s agreement to not let Hans get his hands on nukes.
Fucking retard headcanon lmao.
Germany has had access to fissile material for fucking years and building a centrifuge is trivial for them, besides the hard part in a nuclear program isn't to make uranium 235 or plutonium, it's to deliver the payload without it getting destroyed.
Both Chirac and Sarkozy proposed the germans to co-manage the nukes twice and they refused both time because they're guilt tripped to the max about WW2.

[Anonymous No.49809888]

>>49809291
Thorium solves this,

[Anonymous No.49809944]

>>49809291
ingest the mediterraneans in your possession

[Anonymous No.49809976]

>>49809291
>meds
Nah, you need to touch grass. Like literally take a break, shutdown your PC and go for a walk outside. Good luck, anon

[Anonymous No.49810007]

>>49805068
Last year nuclear was 6%, after shutting down the remaining reactors except for the last 3, we are at 2.5% nuclear energy in Germany this year.

This is totally irrelevant, oil and gas are relevant - and coal.

[Anonymous No.49810048]

>>49809132
Can't dump it or the Eternal Anglo will get testy

[Anonymous No.49810054]

>>49805294
>Nuclear is not popular
because a tsunami hit japan

[Anonymous No.49810091]

The storage problem is already solved, but our societies are jewed beyond belief and lack imagination.
The only reason nuclear plants aren't mainstream is jewish financial calculations because the investment is large.
Please ignore all the billions we create ad will to promote homosex in Ukraine and bail out banks though.

Some pyramids are already standing more than 4000 years. Therefore it is possible to create structures that last several hunderd years.
At this point we have either rid ourselves of the jewish plague and are advanced enough to get rid of the waste or keep storing it safely.
In the event that the world is filled with jewish controlled shit colored nigger cattle the nuclear waste is the least of our problems.

[Anonymous No.49810174]

>>49810007
>Renewable 16.1%
>More than half of it comes from biomass
Only in clown world buring old growth Baltic and North American forests is a good thing.
Those forests will never come back as they were.

[Anonymous No.49810265]

>>49810174
Biomass is mostly food crops being burned, to increase food prices.

[Anonymous No.49810282]

>>49809426
>solar
>turbines
that's a scam you dumb nigger

[Anonymous No.49810327]

>>49805068
honestly that makes a lot of sense. still retarded tho
>>49805204
*it is the most
fixed it

[Anonymous No.49810624]

>>49806039
>multiple ethnics
get fucked sweden

[Anonymous No.49810867]

>>49810054
the tsunami wouldn’t have knocked out the power plant if the backup generators hadn’t been put on the ground level. it’s almost like it was a planned fail to make normies hate nuclear.

[Anonymous No.49810876]

>>49805570
What a shitty trailer. You're fucking dumb.