PMs in Tech

[Anonymous No.49429696]

Someone explain this to me, PMs are needed, right?
https://twitter.com/conzimp/status/1533825319232225280
https://www.tiktok.com/@durbinmalonster/video/7105856291586706731?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1

[Anonymous No.49429868]

>>49429696
Do you want to be a dumb whore whose job is to text people for 60k a year pre tax? They are needed like wet wipes are needed. Yea we can use toilet paper and coordinate ourselves but its better to have a wet slimy soft thing to wipe your ass and make work a little smoother. Really helps when people need to take time off and teams need to add new people or shuffle around

[Anonymous No.49429871]

>>49429696

Kek, I am a project manager at a big tech company. DESU, I very often only work 2-3 hours each day.

[Anonymous No.49429883]

Fake job

[Anonymous No.49429906]

>>49429696
they're useful but they should be paid like 30k

[Anonymous No.49429910]

>>49429871
>I very often only work 2-3 hours each day.
Serious question, is this why lage companies are stagnating? because idiots don't care to actually work on products?
>>49429868
So you want your engineers to do all the research, planning and other bullshit

[Anonymous No.49429913]

>>49429696
hot pm are needed because most devs are socially inept, and the pm needs to be hot so the devs are more motivated to work.

[Anonymous No.49429920]

>>49429868

Yuh, there is something soul destroying about providing little-to- no real value.

I think i'm gonna try to transition into product management/data analytics

[Anonymous No.49429922]

>>49429868
You're confusing project manager with product manager. Product manager salaries are well into 6 figs.

[Anonymous No.49429936]

>>49429922
Explain to me what the difference is I genuinely don't know and would genuinely like to learn

[Anonymous No.49429947]

>>49429922
What's the difference between product manager and product owner or is it the same thing ?

[Anonymous No.49429965]

>>49429922
My bad

[Anonymous No.49429973]

>>49429868
>text people for 60k a year pre tax?

Putting out fires. human communication lines like this are the first to quit due to stress from randomness of job obstacles one day to the next.

[Anonymous No.49429983]

>>49429910
>is this why companies are stagnating
yeah I think so
people only see work as a means to pay the bills, no one is interested in their "career path" anymore

[Anonymous No.49430027]

>>49429936
Product manager is theoretically someone who understands the technical side of the software + understands the business side of the software and bridges the gap between engineers and businesspeople to build a plan for developing the product and making it better.

>>49429947
Product owner is a agile/scrum concept basically they crack the whip over the engineers to make them iterate on the product

[Anonymous No.49430046]

>>49430027
Which one of them is not needed?

[Anonymous No.49430048]

>>49429696
They can't possibly see anything on that glossy macbook screen. And the noise from the pool would be rather distracting

[Anonymous No.49430049]

>>49429696
When your company starts hiring people for busywork positions its time to quit.

[Anonymous No.49430077]

>>49429947
They are often the same thing.

>>49429936
Project managers, manage projects. Project are initiates with a limited time horizon. IE. developing an app or going after a short-term profitable initiative.

A product manager is someone that manages a specific product. For instance, you might have a product manager manage a customer facing sales portal. The product manager of the sales portal would ensure that the tool is achieving its pre-determined goals and is constantly looking for opportunities to improve the tool.

[Anonymous No.49430094]

wtf bros every time i have to deal wtth a project manager its some pajeet incel how the fuck do i get one of these semon demons looking over my shoulder

[Anonymous No.49430109]

>>49429910
>Serious question, is this why lage companies are stagnating?
Yes.
Do you think Elon is joking about people pretending to work?

[Anonymous No.49430135]

>>49430046
As stupid as it looks when whores post tiktoks from the pool someone has to do a product management type job. Otherwise the product is going to be way off track with retard engineers who don't understand business trying to build a roadmap, or with retard businesspeople trying to build a roadmap without understanding what's technically feasible.

[Anonymous No.49430138]

>>49430094
Keep switching teams then, or just go to a company that isn't completely "middle-managed" by curryniggers.

[Anonymous No.49430198]

>>49429696
If you had voted for Trump tik tok would have effectively been banned. Because you didn't the judge overturned the ban and we have what we have today.
>>49429913
You're reaching.

[Anonymous No.49430224]

>>49429696
PMs are supposed to be a buffer between technical types and the rest of the world. They typically make less money than the devs or engineers that work under them. This is especially important if the engineers/devs are stinky Indians straight out of Hyderabad.

[Anonymous No.49430228]

>>49430135
There are plenty of people who can be product managers. The problem is that this gives the impression they are not taking the job seriously. Couple in forced discriminatory hiring and you can see the mess we have today.

[Anonymous No.49430231]

>>49430135
I don't want to be racist but why do I not trust femals in positions like that, they seem rather important roles.

[Anonymous No.49430287]

>>49429913
I'm a software dev, and I'd be more motivated to make the cute PM happy. Diversity finally pays off big time

[Anonymous No.49430331]

>>49430228
I agree and I think with rising interest rates and higher costs of financing, product managers better watch out. If they have this much free time employers will eventually decide they can make do with less headcount.
>>49430231
yeah they're important jobs to tech companies. the question is whether tech company valuations are sustainable or if they're going to fall as interest rates rise and institutional investors decide they don't need to chase yields by betting on long shot startups all the time

[Anonymous No.49430386]

>>49429913
I like this idea. Use the innate simp nature something good

[Anonymous No.49430437]

>>49430049
Ha you’ve never worked in corporate America.

[Anonymous No.49430899]

>>49429871
project manager here in a different sector. "work" about 2 hours a day. I don't decide on what we deliver though just making sure it happens. Get all the credit for the team's work too

[Anonymous No.49430995]

>>49429696
I
HATE
WOMEN

[Anonymous No.49431117]

>>49430899
Do you also get all the blame for not delivering?

[Anonymous No.49431158]

>>49429696
anything beginning or ending with the word "manager" isn't needed

[Anonymous No.49431175]

>>49429696
Bump

[Anonymous No.49431447]

>>49431117
no because I then blame it on my team

[Anonymous No.49431654]

>>49431447
Based. Reminds me of my team, we are having issues delivering and upper management is getting mad at my pajeet boss. Our project manager though gives no fucks, all he has to do is help cordinate issues and what we are delivering. No idea why we have a project manager and a lead developer though, they should be rolled into one

[Anonymous No.49431818]

>>49430437
Work in small startup America or small biotech America.

[Anonymous No.49431898]

>>49429913

agile in 2030;

>"ok faggots it's time for mommy milker's scrum yum yum morning wood daily stand up"

most story points completed the previous day gets nudes

[Anonymous No.49431950]

>>49431898
>standup
>scrum
>sprint

tech is so fucking gay

[Anonymous No.49431963]

>>49430109
you think a guy that owns a car company would want people to stop driving cars?

[Anonymous No.49431966]

>>49429696
kek these chicks are based, they basically get paid to babysit socially inept codemonkeys & advocate on their behalf. without these cumdumps you lrn2code wagies would not have a job, as there would be no one to organize you into doing actual work and selling your projects to the stakeholders.

[Anonymous No.49431968]

>>49431898
>mommy milker's scrum yum yum morning wood daily stand up
Kino

[Anonymous No.49431989]

>>49429983
>people only see work as a means to pay the bills, no one is interested in their "career path" anymore
makese sense. they made wagebucks worth so little that what seems to matter most is the entry/mid level pay for your field

Could I be making 500k instead of 300k in software engineering, sure...but after taxes the difference would be like 100k and the responsibility through the roof.

In other professions, advancement is even more of a meme I bet.

[Anonymous No.49432083]

>>49429913
but the female PM would be fucking retarded and know nothing
I'd rather have a "gentle alpha" PM that knows his shit and have the authority to mediate disputes, etc

[Anonymous No.49432091]

>>49430135
>27yr old roasties understand both

[Anonymous No.49432178]

>>49431898
the race is on

[Anonymous No.49432204]

>>49432083
You can learn the business requirements, but you can't learn hotness

[Anonymous No.49432241]

>>49429696
pms are useful because i don't need my valuable time as an engineer spent explaining my current work to people who have no idea what i'm doing when i could be using that time to shitpost on here like, i'm doing right now, or do anything else that isn't my actual job. we're all cogs in the same fake office job machine

[Anonymous No.49432268]

>>49432241
henlo, I have a lot of respect for engineers, I think they are funny and and cool and do cool stuff :)

[Anonymous No.49432294]

forgot pic,
pic unrelated btw

[Anonymous No.49432295]

>>49429696
Product Manager is an agile concept. Pic related.
Honestly, women might be good at some aspects in the sense they are good at organizing and make good secretaries. I don't think average or dumb young people should get these jobs.
What annoys me is all the latest YouTube ads saying 'become a PO/PM' just like they used to all show 'become a data scientist'. I would never EVER hire some noob idiot to any of these positions.

[Anonymous No.49432341]

>>49432295
Basically what you're saying is, it's a job you grow into or fall into and do it because you're good and provide value as supposed to something people should seek out to become because they liked the benefits or think it's fun to do.

[Anonymous No.49432380]

>why are people angry lmao?
>replies explaining how it's jealousy
I literally I don't see anyone angry??? I hate normies and twitter so much

[Anonymous No.49432442]

>>49429910
Over saturated, the percentage of work decreasing despite a period of over employing, too many talentless lazy leeches in all companies, the next 10 years should be fun

[Anonymous No.49432489]

>>49432341
It's kinda like the new 'middle management'. Maybe when recession hits we will see a lot of layoffs in this area.
Actually, there's a lot of argument about whether both PM and PO are needed. Every company does it differently.
https://medium.com/@melissaperri/product-manager-vs-product-owner-57ff829aa74d
Just one opinion.

[Anonymous No.49432519]

I think its tempting to call it a fake job, because you yourself aren't really producing anything, but I think they can help the gears turn. There rarely autistic and know how to keep things going. The pyramids would never have been built without PMs

[Anonymous No.49432543]

>>49431898
I'm erectus.

[Anonymous No.49432548]

My team of 5 or so engineers has a PM, PO, and Scrum Master. But those guys have 3 other teams they're responsible for too so they're constantly bouncing around.

[Anonymous No.49432580]

Product managers at my company all seem smart, capable and well experienced. Just because there are some whores who have casually walked their way through life that get some make work job at a start up doesn't mean it's a useless position.

[Anonymous No.49432646]

>>49429910
Working sucks and I spend most of my time doing useless paperwork rather than anything productive. And just think, as American productivity declines, other countries are significantly worse for this.

[Anonymous No.49432855]

>>49429936
>>49430027
This.

Project manager: think group project for a class. "We need to get this shit done on time and make sure everyone knows what to do"

Product manager: manages a product. Think of it like the manager of a grocery store. A grocery store needs to be continuously managed.

Basically


the project manager makes sure individual projects meet their goals

The product manager makes sure the product keeps going, decides how to change it, etc

It can get really specific where a product manager for a big product like Google photos might lead other product managers focusing on individual parts of the product, e.g. there might be a product manager specifically in charge of the search results of Google photos on Android vs someone else in charge of the homepage of Google photos on the web. (I don't know anything about Google photos but this is a possible breakdown from my experience at companies I've worked at)

[Anonymous No.49433239]

>>49429913
this is actually true
at least they really need a very smart person for the position, companies always will prefer the most social image self aware candidate for manager positions, and they are usually women

[Anonymous No.49433364]

>>49432855
>decides how to change it
kek delusional, product managers dont make any decisions at all. at best, they are grease between other more skilled and talented and intelligent decision makers

[Anonymous No.49433577]

>>49433364
>product managers dont make any decisions at all
Depends. I guess ultimately you're right, as I worked mostly in b2b software (Google cloud now) and technically the PMs are not the ones making agreements with customers but 90% of the time my team just does what the PM team tells us and the remaining 10% we do what the UX team tells us

[Anonymous No.49433620]

>>49433577
I do think that in this top-down b2b case, PM as grocery store manager is more accurate. The real strategy comes from the top and the PM makes sure the labor knows and can do what's necessary

[Anonymous No.49433823]

>>49429696
They are but the autistic kind NOT the kind who describes the work they are supposed to ensure the quality of "impressive" while they brag about working while the sun beams onto their laptop screen. If IT was just full of autistic people all the problems within it would be solved immediately.

[Anonymous No.49433848]

Ffs just become ISTQB certified and become a software tester. Learn some Java, Selenium WebDriver and Postman down the road and you are golden. Fuck PMs, fuck devs.

[Anonymous No.49433977]

>>49429910
I think there is also a problem of companies making the hiring process opaque even to themselves. I recently got a new job doing QC for a metal fabrication shop and
>my background was in wire, not steel, but was eager to learn
>Phone interview with HR went great
>in person interview with the manager went great
>got the job
>realize that no one involved in the process really understood or had a clear vision of what they wanted from me
>now I have no real idea what I'm even supposed to be doing beyond 'check stuff'
So I'm trying to figure out everything from scratch, more or less. I can easily see this happening often enough at a larger corporation that it starts to create more and more drag on internal processes as cohesion breaks down. HR is in one city, management is in another state, accounting and IT are on the other coast, and no one has a clear idea of what anyone else is doing at any one time.

[Anonymous No.49434197]

>>49429920
>data analytics is soul-sucking and provides no value
objectively false. smartest code monkeys at the company are always in analytics

[Anonymous No.49434278]

>>49433977
This. Its fucking horrifying how segmented everything is. How can we properly vet candidates when our HR os outsourced and thye themselves use a 3rd part recruiter for candidates? On top of crazy attrition rates and general dissatisfaction in the worker pop.? Add on top of that that everyone thinks they should be the leader, but almost none of them have the proof of skill.
>tfw my lab niw has 5 people vs the 10 we had. Lab lead position opens up and 3 of the 5 apply, alongside 4 additional ones that arent in this lab at all and have nonidea about the technical aspects.
>management says its a close choice
Fucking supervisors. Promote me or tell me you just want a diversity hire already. I'm no longer simping for your dysfunctional garbage

[Anonymous No.49434319]

>>49429913
PMs are fucking annoying and a waste of valuable oxygen

[Anonymous No.49434407]

>>49429936
Product manager
>manages a dev team, roadmaps a feature list for a new product, politic's internally, works with customers to make software impacts market
Project manager
>manages timelines, documentation, and ensuring implementation is on track
I'm a senior health-tech managing data scientist and have never hired a project manager as they almost always provide little value. Project Managers almost always distill into babysitters with littl technical knowledge. Product Managers on the other hand usually have a dev background which makes them way more effective and reasonable with guiding a new build

[Anonymous No.49435605]

>>49430027
>>49429696
So they're this guy with tits.
>women not needed

[Anonymous No.49436179]

>>49431447
Until the devs/business analysts/QA start complaining to their skip bosses that you are shit, your requirements are vague and youre too retarded to write a good story to save your life kek

[Anonymous No.49438474]

>>49432091
like i said in the other post, it's theoretically someone who understands. it's tech if you jump through all the hoops to get hired you really don't have to be good at anything, you just get paid insane money to participate in the theft of american wealth

[Anonymous No.49438604]

>>49438474
>anon uses tech to tell other people using tech that tech is a scam just trying to extract wealth from the americans

[Anonymous No.49438718]

>>49430094

Patels are the sign of a sinking ship. Dumb bimbos are the sign of a growing organization.

[Anonymous No.49438761]

I would love a cute roastie over my autistic workaholic manager.

[Anonymous No.49438879]

>>49438604
You explain how Uber or Lyft were ever worth $50/share. Tech company valuations have been inflated by low cost of borrowing and quantitative easing. The market cap of the US stock market has grown way out of proportion to actual GDP and the majority of the wealth is going to the wealthy who already held assets, not zoomers who were graduating from high school.

[Anonymous No.49438881]

>>49429696
>PMs are needed
Eh not really.

[Anonymous No.49439000]

>>49438879
>this literal scam is overvalued therefore all tech is a scam

[Anonymous No.49439137]

>>49439000
brainlets like you are the problem, you literally couldn't even read the 2nd and 3rd sentences. The only reason tech companies can afford to pay people so well is because their stock is worth insane amounts of money relative to the actual wealth they generate. Why would the market be willing to value tech companies so richly? It's called the search for yield.

[Anonymous No.49439245]

>>49439137
My point is tech companies should be valued high, but ride-sharing companies (UBER) or hype based pump and dumps (TSLA) are literal scams, which are extracting wealth like you said but shouldn't be compared to normal tech companies like Apple, Google, Nvidia, etc They on the other hand are providing some of the most valuable services in human history.

[Anonymous No.49439361]

>>49439245
You're still too stupid to understand what I said about low costs of borrowing or quantitative easing. Both of these are inflating away the buying power of your dollar (this hurts you in case you are too dumb to understand) but they prop up asset valuations for people who own a lot of stock (by and large the upper class in the US). Now even in the middle class your daily living expenses are a higher % of your income meaning you're getting hurt more by inflation than someone who basically has 95% of their income going to investments in financial assets and can comfortably live on a tiny fraction of their income

[Anonymous No.49439391]

>>49439361
I got that part but it wasn't related to tech companies so I ignored it.

[Anonymous No.49439571]

>>49439391
You clearly don't get it if you don't understand how the connection relates to tech stocks. Think about the size of the tech sector vs all other sectors in the US and how tech makes up like 30% of S&P500 market cap. The tech sector has been the primary beneficiary of the search for yield that resulted from quantitative easing.

[Anonymous No.49439937]

>>49429936
like others said, a good product manager understands technicals. they are constantly evaluating branching points for the team, making decisions about what the product should be. The CEO is usually the idea guy but the product manager makes the dreams reality by cutting away the BS and adding what's needed.
lots of technical thinking, API research, Database architecture. If you aren't technical and try to do product management you do a poor job at it.

[Anonymous No.49440004]

OP links to tiktok instead of posting webm.
You'll always be a failure OP you faggot. Go back.

[Anonymous No.49440027]

>>49429910
here is one reason why large (tech) companies are stagnating: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlBjNmXvqIM

another reason is that the tech industry is so fast-paced and the fluctuation of people is so high, that within a decade the people working there have no idea how the underlying tech (the fundamentals) work.

[Anonymous No.49440047]

>>49440004
You will have to open the link anyway to hear it

[Anonymous No.49440155]

>>49440047
I'm not watching a fucking tiktok video you scrub, go back

[Anonymous No.49440196]

>>49440155
pee pee poo poo

[Anonymous No.49440770]

>>49429696
Just want you all to know this thread made me hate tech and all of you overpaid faggots that work in it all the more. When shit finally hits the fan for you useless spineless losers I will sell you the rope at full price.

[Anonymous No.49441121]

>>49433977
>I think there is also a problem of companies making the hiring process opaque even to themselves.

So true and I feel sorry for people doing the interviews - sometimes even they don't know what they are hiring.

>Britbong
>Background in Networks
>Apply to role titled "Network and Cyber Security Technician"
>Advert is a little weird as its only talks about network engineering stuff
>Get interview
>Questions by their "Network Specialist" are about basic network buzzwords ("What is the Cloud", "What is SDN?")
>"Security Specialist" interviewer question is "Do you know what cyber security is?"
>Answer and semi-bullshit based off basic youtube Security Videos I've watched.
>Think I flop it, but at end both Interviewers say they learned so much from me
>Okay whatever. Money is good (80k with additional pay for when overtime on sites)
>Get Offer and Accept
>Arrive first day
>"Hey everyone this is anon, he's going to teach us all about cyber security."
>Wait what?
>New role isn't technical at all and no working on sites (i.e. no bonus pay).
>Literally half-ass it by going home reading a chapter from CISSP and then spending the next two weeks teaching everyone.
>Occasionally make a crappy powerpoint (pic related), one even got an applause
>Milk that shit dramatically; people think I'm some sort of Security Guru.
>Manager calls me into office after 3 months
>Ohshitmycoverisblown.jpg
>"Anon, I'm excited to say you've passed the probation period, but we were wondering if you'd consider more responsibility as CISO?"
>"You'd get a pay rise and bonus annual leave day (29 days total), and hybrid working. You don't have to decide now, but you are one of our most skilled people."
>Like fuck I am. Also who the fuck goes from a Tech to a Senior Leader?
>Now WFH 3 days. Sometimes in the office I block out my calendar with "Focus Time" and nap in my car.

I genuinely now think everyone is fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.49441296]

>>49440770
COPE

[Anonymous No.49441703]

>>49440770
>Just want you all to know this thread made me hate tech and all of you overpaid faggots that work in it all the more. When shit finally hits the fan for you useless spineless losers I will sell you the rope at full price.
Too late; already made it

I'm only working my tech job no because why quit and not get fired?

you're telling me you missed the 10 year inflated tech bull run? This shit is NEETbux 2.0 almost

[Anonymous No.49442085]

>>49441703
I work a real job. I'm an architect. We barely get paid but I suppose I have the satisfaction of knowing I actually do something tangible and solid. Something humans have always done.

[Anonymous No.49442203]

>>49441121
is it possible you're being setup to be the fall guy when your company has an inevitable data breach?

[Anonymous No.49442236]

>>49441121
based, fuck the retards, take their money and go with it
i mean if your company is big enough eventually someone will realize you're full of shit but you can make 10s to 100s of thousands of USD before that happens, try to make friends with them if they do sniff you out

[Anonymous No.49442259]

>>49442085
architects are the PMs of building things

[Anonymous No.49442402]

>>49430046
None of them are needed, the entire software industry is just iterating on retarded dogshit that doesn't better anything for anyone.

[Anonymous No.49442415]

>>49442402
>anon uses software to tell other people using software that software is retarded dogshit

[Anonymous No.49442511]

>>49442085
>I work a real job. I'm an architect. We barely get paid but I suppose I have the satisfaction of knowing I actually do something tangible and solid. Something humans have always done.
I'll agree that architect is a real-ish, respectable field. I recently dated an architect that was a sweetheart

I opted to codefag my way to early retirement (age 29) before splintering off to pursue something more heterosexual. To be specific, I really didn't feel like missing out on the gainz, but I did know I wanted to do a real job eventually.

Age 30 seems like a good time to transition from codefaggotry

[Anonymous No.49443658]

>>49442415
>seething codie refuses to accept that his job is basically to be a high prestige welfare queen sponsored by ben bernanke and jerome powell

[Anonymous No.49444193]

Has anyone here done this?

https://grow.google/certificates/project-management/#?modal_active=none

>worked in offices for 7 years, transformed an entire companies financial tracking for shippers
>worked in international education for almost a decade, rolled out multipled LMS's
>realize that there is no more career progression in this field

Seems comfy. Most jobs look remote, and if I can fuck off a bit that's fine by me. I figure better me than a woman.

[Anonymous No.49444542]

>>49441121
kek

[Anonymous No.49444593]

I’m actually a product manager for a crypto startup. Besides the CEO and head architect, I know more about the technological abilities and limitations of crypto than any dev working there, often times by far. These guys are great at what they do, and I absolute can not code even 1% as well as them, but I’m just there to have a birds eye view of things to make sure we don’t accidentally have some glaring exploit deep in our protocol, and that we actually build a project people will want to use. The $180k salary is nothing compared to the value I bring to them, and there’s no midwit agile-certified corporate drone that can do it as well as me for less salary.

Project managers however are literally barely a step above a Starbucks manager. They get a list of instructions they don’t understand and a deadline they didn’t choose, and they just lean on their team until they do the work. They can probably be replaced by an AI widget.

[Anonymous No.49444888]

>>49442203
100% this

[Anonymous No.49445971]

>>49444193
I've seen a few twitter threads where people claim they got high paying jobs ($70K+ a year) with these Certificates from Google. Not sure how much of it is bullshit but I'm thinking of trying it out to get out of this poverty hell LOL

[Anonymous No.49446533]

>>49442511
What did you switch into? I lowkey hate being a codemonkey, and I feel like it's lowering my T (and giving me nerdneck) by the day.

[Anonymous No.49446560]

Why does roasties working these meme jobs make 4chan incels seethe so hard?

[Anonymous No.49447382]

>>49445971
There is NO FUCKING WAY that memeshit Google certificates are getting people those kinds of jobs
If it's unironically real, we have way too much money sloshing around in the world (and I'm about to just farm certs for everything lmao)

[Anonymous No.49447455]

They're glorified babysitters. The best teams don't need them at all because they know how to document their work (updating tickets, sprint planning, etc), and they're better off for it. Only shitty teams that don't know how to communicate and don't have actual managers to prioritize/assign the work need PMs.

[Anonymous No.49447481]

>>49429871
I rent out equipment and work 0 hours day :)

[Anonymous No.49447799]

Worked as codemonkey from my early 20s to my early 30s and recently acepted a PO job.

Life is easy on the other side, no regrets.

[Anonymous No.49448072]

Currently working as a project manager, just got an offer for PO job based in Switzerland (Currently Ausfag)

What do?

[Anonymous No.49448384]

>>49430027
Product owners aren't the ones cracking the whip though. They're the people who are supposed to know what a product is actually supposed to do, and can tell the team yes this demo you built does what I want it to do or no this this not what I wanted, here's where it's failing. They're either the client or a client stand-in. Scrum master are the people who handle all the team dynamic and scheduling stuff.

[Anonymous No.49448645]

>>49431898
kek. post of the day