Guilds are superior to work unions

[Anonymous No.49363448]

Collective bargaining is a horizontal organizational structure; in capitalist society, where organizational structures are vertical, horizontal organizations are reduced to gangs.

Guilds provide an alternative bargaining structure by socializing property in small spheres of influence tied together by common work-related goals for a collective.

When a collective is bound by work that is performed rather than any other property; this actually provides a superior method of collective bargaining.

[Anonymous No.49363475]

this will go over the collective /biz head

[Anonymous No.49363505]

Yes

[Anonymous No.49363546]

>>49363448
You would be designated as leader of a mafia or terrorist organization or organized crime syndicate and would be gunned down by glowniggers and policeniggers like a dog.

[Anonymous No.49363579]

>>49363448
Guilds are the definition of superior quality for whatever works are done by said guild. Guilds have a collective incentive to do the best work possible in order to remain in the guild, and will be considered first for jobs that pay higher than those outside of it because of quality guarantee as any fuckup is on the entire guild, not just the one member. If a guild member screws up too much, they can be kicked out and blacklisted from that guild, and potentially blacklisted from other guilds in the same line of work for being a problem, with a reputation that is terrible, they will be essentially removed from the pool of work, and let great prospects that can do or learn quality work shine. Unions have nothing beholden to them except having managers that collect funds to sometimes bail out bad actors, keeping people that should be tossed out, and bargaining with companies for trade deals, but often the top ones can be bribed in this case, unlike a guild as the job is by a person to company contract, not a bulk deal for a group of people that may not do their best either. So yes, I would love for guilds to come back, remove this infestation of unions that are mostly there to line their pockets, and have led society down a path of low quality workmanship that has future consequences as you seen with everything from construction, manufacturing, railwork and more.

[Anonymous No.49363617]

>>49363448
tribes > guilds >>> unions

[Anonymous No.49363618]

guilds are gay i got kicked out of my raiding guild for being racist and calling someone a nigger

[Anonymous No.49363621]

>>49363546
Sounds like monkey thinking

[Anonymous No.49363639]

>>49363579
>Unions have nothing beholden to them except having managers that collect funds to sometimes bail out bad actors, keeping people that should be tossed out

Unions fleece the very "members" they are built to protect. Unions are inferior.

[Anonymous No.49363694]

>>49363546
>You would be designated as leader of a mafia or terrorist organization or organized crime syndicate
That's what a "guild charter" is designed to prevent.

[Anonymous No.49363737]

This thread is generously bankrolled by the merchants guild

[Anonymous No.49363739]

>>49363579
>this infestation of unions that are mostly there to line their pockets, and have led society down a path of low quality workmanship

Well said.

[Anonymous No.49363747]

>>49363617

Tribes have no incentive to outperform other tribes other than power. Guilds are incentivized by reputation to build and create the highest quality possible.

[Anonymous No.49363826]

>>49363694
You would be undercutting an established cartel or oligopoly of mega corporations or you would be producing a higher quality product or a product they stopped producing and "obsoleted" intentionally because its not profitable for mass production and consumption with planned obsolescence and cheap shit materials.
In any case presenting your guild charter to the corpo hitmen or paid goons or police or anti terrorist units would not save your ass as the pawns obey their master and owners not the enemies of their masters and owners and not the public or plebs.

>>49363621
Cool it with the antisemitism

[Anonymous No.49363849]

>>49363448
unions are just guilds that went fully corporate and got co-opted by the state

[Anonymous No.49363860]

>>49363579
guilds have no major place in an industrialised economy. they only existed because at the time all production was hand made and bespoke.
once you get corporate industrialisation theres no need for guilds because now you get brands

[Anonymous No.49363867]

>>49363747
>tribes don't have a reputation
>guilds don't want reputation to gain power

[Anonymous No.49363882]

>>49363448
"People of the same trade seldom meet together even for merriment and diversion but the conversation ends at a conspiracy against the public."
– Adam Smith

[Anonymous No.49363896]

>>49363826
>undercutting an established cartel or oligopoly of mega corporations or you would be producing a higher quality product or a product they stopped producing and "obsoleted" intentionally because its not profitable for mass production

"Incorporation" was the American solution to the "white gang" problem. The new problem is that incorporating and the selling public shares is socialism in its own way; nobody in this country knows who owns any buildings unless there is a giant name on it. Even then, is that name the owner or a "brand?"

Guilds are superior in that it the "socialist" element is kept honest; which group owns what. And that group is defined by the way they generate capital.

[Anonymous No.49363900]

>>49363849
>unions are just guilds that went fully corporate

Unions are gangs.

[Anonymous No.49363906]

Don't you just mean unions OP?

[Anonymous No.49363907]

>>49363860
>once you get corporate industrialisation theres no need for guilds because now you get brands

Guild vs. Brand.

The guild name is the brand.

[Anonymous No.49363910]

>>49363900
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Anonymous No.49363915]

>>49363867
Tribes don't care about reputation apart from "strength" or "power."

There is no "high quality workmanship tribe." That's a guild.

[Anonymous No.49363916]

>>49363896
we circle back to
>You would be designated as leader of a mafia or terrorist organization or organized crime syndicate and would be gunned down by glowniggers and policeniggers like a dog.

[Anonymous No.49363928]

>>49363915
>Tribes don't care about reputation apart from "strength" or "power."
depend on the tribe, depend on the guild

[Anonymous No.49363943]

>>49363928

That's how they are defined anyways.

[Anonymous No.49363950]

>>49363916

This is why a guild negotiates with the authorities, and a union is a gang which buys influence with the state to bargain against the very people paying the workers.

Guilds are superior.

[Anonymous No.49363954]

>>49363950
yea guilds can have battles against each other and stuff too if they are into pvp

[Anonymous No.49363964]

>>49363950
>a guild negotiates with the authorities
we circle back to
>You would be undercutting an established cartel or oligopoly of mega corporations or you would be producing a higher quality product or a product they stopped producing and "obsoleted" intentionally because its not profitable for mass production and consumption with planned obsolescence and cheap shit materials.
>In any case presenting your guild charter to the corpo hitmen or paid goons or police or anti terrorist units would not save your ass as the pawns obey their master and owners not the enemies of their masters and owners and not the public or plebs.

[Anonymous No.49363976]

>>49363964

Schitzo go back to /x/

Can't circle what I said to that

[Anonymous No.49363984]

>>49363907
guild can brand but it cant produce against industrialisation

[Anonymous No.49363994]

We sort of have guilds today, they are called associations.
Guilds (i.e associations) only work for trained and specialized professionals. If your profession is small, educated and in demand, collectivizing becomes easy. Unions are designed for swathes of unskilled laborers that are easily replaceable

[Anonymous No.49364031]

>>49363984
>guild can brand but it cant produce against industrialisation

A guild cannot own brands. The guild is the brand. If a guild creates brands it is no longer a guild.

[Anonymous No.49364039]

>>49363994
>We sort of have guilds today, they are called associations.

Associations are not guilds. Not even close.

Associations are groups that have common purpose. This speaks nothing to the associations structure.

[Anonymous No.49364048]

>>49363976
>the authorities
Who do you think are the authorities?

[Anonymous No.49364063]

>>49364048

Which jurisdiction?

[Anonymous No.49364074]

>>49364063
World wide

[Anonymous No.49364079]

>>49364074

Global jurisdiction is luciferian.

[Anonymous No.49364092]

When my workplace introduced a vax policy my 'union' said they supported it and my termination.

[Anonymous No.49364093]

>>49364079
>Global
Good thing we live in a realm made by God

[Anonymous No.49364100]

>>49364093
who?

[Anonymous No.49364105]

>>49364093

Babbles

[Anonymous No.49364122]

>>49364092
>When my workplace introduced a vax policy my 'union' said they supported it and my termination.

A guild would not do this.

[Anonymous No.49364124]

>>49364100
(you)
>>49364105
Your entire naive view on all maters is just that, babbling of a retarded toddler.

[Anonymous No.49364135]

>>49364124
>babbling of a retarded toddler.

>God created us in his image, so we should institute a global jurisdiction over property.

Luciferian nonsense.

[Anonymous No.49364189]

>>49364135
>we
There is no we, you dumb faggot.
>should
I am talking about our present and reality of matters in our world, not about some future you are imagining. You could charter a guild in China that is beyond reach of American authorities but you will get the same treatment from Chinese authorities.
And the big blocks that have authority communicate and sometimes extradite and act upon data given in their exchanges.
Who do you think elects your "elected" officials that bring in the legislation and executive actions based upon that legislation?
Do not respond dumbass.
Even some /v/tard that played Anno twice would know better. Disgraceful tard.

[Anonymous No.49364205]

>>49364189
>there is no "we"
The "we" inbound by religion and culture. I assumed you were a western Christian.
>Same treatment by Chinese authority
A guild might be bound by jurisdiction; have a problem with that, kike?

[Anonymous No.49364217]

>>49363448
it -must- flow

[Anonymous No.49364227]

>>49364205
Western heretics are besides the point here.
You cannot charter a guild in China to undercut the profits of a US mega corporation like Nike.
see>>49363546

[Anonymous No.49364238]

>>49364227
then... we shall take their abnormally long and heavy haberdashery scissors.

[Anonymous No.49364245]

49364238
Clueless moron.
No more (you)s for (you)

[Anonymous No.49364250]

>>49364227
>You cannot charter a guild in China to undercut the profits of a US mega corporation like Nike.


Okay kike. So a shoemaker guild couldn't operate within a jurisdiction to craft shoes because of Nike? So you admit Nike lawyers are the problem.

[Anonymous No.49364288]

>>49364189
>Who do you think elects your "elected" officials that bring in the legislation and executive actions based upon that legislation?

This is a good point. I believe the 19th amendment needs reform.

[Anonymous No.49364497]

>>49364238
Huh?

[Anonymous No.49364528]

Delusional thread. Unionization tightened the wealth gap for decades.

[Anonymous No.49364547]

>>49364528
>Unionization tightened the wealth gap

What gap are you referring to?