What's the difference between shorting crypto and selling for USD and buying back in?

[Anonymous No.3685724]

[Anonymous No.3685736]

>>3685724
that is what shorting crypto is.

[Anonymous No.3685737]

>>3685724

you typically short on margin

[Anonymous No.3685759]

>>3685736
That's what I thought, but margin comes with the liquidation limits. Selling for USD seems safer

[Anonymous No.3685767]

>>3685759

makes zero sense. when you sell you liquidate yourself either way. if you get margin called you give away your crypto. how is it different?

[Anonymous No.3685769]

>>3685759
Playing safe won't get you to Lamboland

[Anonymous No.3685776]

>>3685724
Selling is just shorting with zero margin

[Anonymous No.3685786]

>>3685736
No it isn't, shorting involves borrowing.
To short a crypto, you borrow x amount of crypto from the exchange at the market rate and sell straight away. You then wait for it to drop in price to buy it back so you can repay the exchange and pocket the difference.

[Anonymous No.3685836]

short selling means promising to buy at a later date. so you can short sell something you dont have and hold negative coins. cant do that with a normal sell. need collateral though

[Anonymous No.3686642]

>>3685786

>Selling and rebuying later.

So it's shorting

[Anonymous No.3686672]

>>3686642
No, because you dont get the fiat immediately. You get it at the end of the trade

[Anonymous No.3686695]

>>3686642
Do you not know what BORROWING is?

[Anonymous No.3686797]

>>3686642
>>3685736

No its not shorting. With shorting, you don't own what you're selling, you're borrowing it with collateral.
example-
>send 1 btc to bitfinex, you can now buy or sell 3.3 btc worth of whatever they allow margin trading on, using your 1 btc as collateral.
>If you lose on your trade, you lose some or all of the collateral you put up as the margin for your trade.

[Anonymous No.3686809]

>>3686695

I do, but wether you actually own a Bitcoin, sell it and buy it again later or wether borrow it to sell it and buy again later is not a difference.

[Anonymous No.3686908]

>>3686809
Do you know what LEVERAGE is?

[Anonymous No.3686929]

>>3686908

Not something that you necessarily need to short

[Anonymous No.3686970]

>>3685786
>>3686797
These anons are right

[Anonymous No.3686973]

>>3686809
There is a HUGE difference
Either
>You sold the coin you owned and now you have nothing (aka not shorting)
OR
>You still own the coin, and you are selling coin you borrowed.

Also, with shorting, you sold the top (hopefully) and when you buy back lower you get the profit NOW, not when the price goes back up.

[Anonymous No.3687029]

Why is this so complicated? Can some one explain it like im 5?

From what I understand if you short btc with 100x leverage if you put up one btc and the btc goe down1% and liquidated for a total loss of your 1 btc.

However if you're right and the price drops and if you cash out at lets 5% drop you made how much money ?

[Anonymous No.3687037]

>>3687029
*goes UP 1%

[Anonymous No.3687102]

>>3687029
I'm guessing you're talking about Bitmex, which complicates it even more, but in your scenario -
5 btc gain minus or plus any fees and funding.

[Anonymous No.3687248]

>>3687102
Well fuck that a lot of money

[Anonymous No.3687368]

This entire thread is why I know /biz/ is full of retards and under aged kids.
>>3686970
>>3686970
>>3686970
>>3686970
/thread

[Anonymous No.3687390]

>>3686973

No with selling you also make the profit instantly. You get money for selling.
It is the same.

[Anonymous No.3687421]

>>3686809
yes it does you fucking retard
this way you make money AS IT GOES DOWN instead of staying static
fucking sage this shit thread

[Anonymous No.3687463]

>>3686973
>>3687390

To add to this:
Suppose you have a Bitcoin. Say worth 4000 bucks. You FUD and sell. You're right and rebuy at 3000. You now have a Bitcoin and 1000 additional bucks.
Now compare that to shorting.
Instead of selling your Bitcoin you lend a Bitcoin from someone and sell that one. Wait for it to hit 3000, rebuy and give it back. You now have a Bitcoin and 1000 bucks. Exactly the same result.

Only difference with shorting is that you can sell more than you actually own.

[Anonymous No.3687475]

>>3687421
See >>3687463

[Anonymous No.3687536]

>>3687463

Oh and of course shorting comes with fees, mostly the interest rate from lending. So you actually make more profit from selling instead of shorting.
There also comes the benefit of never having to "close" your position. You don't need to rebuy as you don't owe anybody.

If you don't plan on shorting more than you actually own, you make more profit from selling and rebuying and its safer.

[Anonymous No.3687558]

>>3687390
No it is not the same.

selling normally -
>You sell 1 btc at $5000.
>BTC drops to $4000, and you buy it back.
>You make $0 (ZERO)

Shorting
>You BORROW 1 btc and sell it at $5000
>BTC drops to $4000, and you buy it back and return the borrowed btc.
>You keep the $1000 difference right now.
>depending on leverage, you either lost less than hodling, or made profit overall

[Anonymous No.3687576]

>>3687558
See >>3687463

I don't get how you guys don't understand this. Selling and rebuying is what shorting is. You're not doing anything different just because you lend it from somebody

[Anonymous No.3687593]

>>3687558

>You make $0 (ZERO)

I mean this is just plain wrong. If you sell at 5000 and buy at 4000 you have 1000 bucks left. The profit is exactly the same.

[Anonymous No.3687635]

>>3687536
You only make that thousand if the price rises back to when you sold though, whereas with shorting you pocket the difference as soon as you sell.

[Anonymous No.3687662]

>>3687635
Wait a second, i thought about it some more. In both instances you end up with 1 btc and a thousand dollars extra (assuming you buy back in immediatly at the same point in both scenarios)

[Anonymous No.3687671]

>>3687635

No you don't. Jesus Christ.
You sell at 5000. You have 5000 bucks. You buy at 4000. You have 1000 bucks.
What step do you not understand?
If the price rises up you got a 1000 bucks PLUS another 1000 from the rising price. Your total worth would be 6000 then.

[Anonymous No.3687688]

>>3687576
If you short BTC you're "short" one BTC which must be repaid. If you sell your BTC you just don't have any.

[Anonymous No.3687694]

>>3687475
You fucking moron, youre are literally fucking wrong
how the fuck are you this stupid
>Suppose you have a Bitcoin. Say worth 4000 bucks. You FUD and sell. You're right and rebuy at 3000. You now have a Bitcoin and 1000 additional bucks.
WHERE THE FUCK DID THAT 1000 COME FROM?
From it supposedly RECOVERING right?
If you short, you have +1000 BEFORE it recovers AND even MORE when it DOES recover
you're so fucking stupid you actually need to die before you accidently spread your seed
fucking brainlet retarded faggot holy shit I have a headache from this shit thread

[Anonymous No.3687706]

>>3687671
Lets say you bought at $4950.
What now?

[Anonymous No.3687727]

>>3687688

Yes the only difference is what you hodl while the position is open.
With selling you hold 5000 dollars.
With shorting you hold your Bitcoin. The result is the same though. In the end the Bitcoin is worth more or less and you close with position with a profit or a loss by rebuying. The profit/loss is exactly the same.

[Anonymous No.3687738]

>>3687694

No, from selling. You sell for money. I seriously don't get at what step I'm losing you guys. >>3687671

[Anonymous No.3687739]

>>3687671
FUCK i can't even write out my thoughts properly because of how stupid you are, YOU'RE LITERALLY CONTAGIOUS
let me write of the full fucking scenario holy fuck I hate you
-IF BITCOIN AT 4000
Scenario 1: SHORT on lets say 5X margin
it drops to 3000. that's a 25% drop
on MARGIN, which is what SHORTING is about
5x*25% = 125%
YOU MADE 125% ON MARGIN SHORTING THIS MOVE
NOW YOU HAVE 4000+5000 FROM THE 125% SHORT ON MARGIN
$9000!!!!!!!
scenario TWO:
IF YOU JUST SOLD @ 4000$, NOT SHORT
REBUY AT 3000
YOU STILL HAVE 4000$
IS THIS CLEAR YET YO USTUPID NIGGER? DIE IN A FIRE

[Anonymous No.3687748]

>>3687706

Then you end up with a Bitcoin and 50 bucks. Same result as closing your short position at 4950. You made 50 bucks.

[Anonymous No.3687750]

>>3687738
You're SO FUCKING STUPID
you've never fucking shorted in your life, stop acting like you know what you're talking about
fucking die unironically for being this stupid holy shit I'm actually so mad I'm literally shaking

[Anonymous No.3687785]

>>3687739
>>3687748

note that this 9000$ is PRERECOVERY AT THE BOTTOM STILL
and your SHIT 4000$ is also prerecovery
now I have 9000$ and you have 4000$, we both started at 4000$
Now both OFF margin and btc recovers
+25% on each, WHO HAS MORE MONEY, THE MAN WHO SHORTED OR THE MAN WHOSE A DUMBASS AND DOESN'T KNOW WHAT SHORTING IS?

[Anonymous No.3687798]

>>3687739

Margin is just selling more. Instead of selling one Bitcoin you sell 5 Bitcoin. If you sold 5 Bitcoin you would get 25000 bucks. Then if you buy 5 Bitcoin at 4000 you buy for 20000 bucks. Profit of 5000. Exactly the same result.

[Anonymous No.3687836]

>>3687785

The difference you're adding is the margin, not the fact that you're shorting.
Selling is shorting with a margin of 1:1

[Anonymous No.3687847]

>>3687798
what the FUCK are you talking about

IF YOU SOLD 5 BTC??? FUCK YOU, THEN THAT MEANS IF YOU SHORTED 5 BTC ON 5X, YOU'D BE SELLING 25 BTC THERE

DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW????

NOW I HAVE 5BTC ON 5X MARGIN AND I NOW MADE 125% ON THAT 5BTC IF I SHORTED

YOU CANNOT JUST CHANGE THE STARTING VALUE FOR 1 SCENARIO YOU FUCKING ILLITERATE MONKEY

[Anonymous No.3687852]

>>3685776

Which is also what this guy said. Thread could have ended there.

[Anonymous No.3687859]

>>3687836
THE ENTIRE POINT OF SHORTING IS TO GO BEYOND 1:1
it's not fucking SHORTING if you are not SHORT on coins to pay back until you are in PROFIT
HOLY SHIT JUST DIE

[Anonymous No.3687870]

>>3687847

Yes, if you shorted 5 Bitcoin with a margin of 1:5 that would be exactly the equivalent of selling 25 Bitcoin

[Anonymous No.3687891]

>>3687859

Which is what I said. The only difference is that you sell more than you actually own. But if you don't plan on shorting more than you own then there is no difference between selling and shorting

[Anonymous No.3687892]

>>3687870
you're a fucking stupid nigger
it is the EQUIVALENT of that but you DO NOT OWN 25 BTC, YOU ONLY HAVE 5 BTC, BUT YOU STILL GET THE PROFIT OF SELLING 25 THERE AND BUYING LATER
You get the profit of someone with MORE MONEY
thats what fucking shorting is you dumbass retarded nigger

[Anonymous No.3687919]

>>3687891
>But if you don't plan on shorting more than you own then there is no difference between selling and shorting
No. If you don't plan on selling more than you own then IT ISN'T SHORTING BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT SHORT ON COINS
this is BASIC reading comprehension
Do you know what the fucking word short MEANS?
>sell (stocks or other securities or commodities) in advance of acquiring them, with the aim of making a profit when the price falls.
IN ADVANCE OF ACQUIRING THEM

[Anonymous No.3687951]

fucking retard wasting my fucking time, needs to get the shit kicked out of him for being so fucking stupid
dont fucking use terms you don't understand you fucking moronic little shitheads

[Anonymous No.3687964]

>>3687919

This not where the term short comes from.
The fuck you think "long" means then?

I think you purposely misunderstand me. Yes with shorting you can sell things you don't own. That's the lending part. The way you make money with shorting is still selling and rebuying. Which is why actually selling and rebuying gives you the same profit or loss.

[Anonymous No.3687997]

>>3687964
You stupid fucking retard I literally just fucking LINKED THE DICTIONARY to you and YOU STILL fucking dont understand

If I'm fucking SHORT ON MILK THAT MEANS I DONT FUCKING HAVE MILK

If I'm short on Coins that means I DONT HAVE FUCKING COINS

[Anonymous No.3688004]

>>3687390
>>3687536
>>3687576
>>3687593
>>3687671
>>3687727
>>3687738
>>3687748
>>3687798
>>3687836
>>3687852
>>3687870
>>3687891
My God you are retarded

[Anonymous No.3688028]

>>3687997

Short comes from being the opposite if long not from being short of something.
Long = Buying and selling later
Short = Selling and buying later

[Anonymous No.3688033]

>>3687390
>being this dumb

[Anonymous No.3688041]

>>3688033

Again see >>3687463

[Anonymous No.3688043]

>>3687463
And what if the price goes up Sherlock?

[Anonymous No.3688048]

>>3688028
Shut the fuck up you retarded moron.
Short is SELLING WHAT YOU DO NOT HAVE
THE DICTIONARY DEFINITION IS RIGHT FUCKING HERE
>>3687919
>>3687919
>>3687919
>>3687919
>>3687919

>SHORT COMES FROM LONG NOT SHORT
THIS IS LITERALLY WHAT YOU JUST TYPED
HOLY FUCK

[Anonymous No.3688068]

>>3688043
Still same result

Selling buying:
sell at say 5000 rebuy at 5500.
Loss: 500

Short at 5000, close at 5500
Loss: 500

[Anonymous No.3688079]

>>3688048

Yes a short position is exactly the opposite of a long position.

[Anonymous No.3688080]

MORE FUCKING SOURCES FOR THIS RETARDED NIGGER ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LONG AND SHORT

>A key component of long position investment is the ownership of the stock or bond. This contrasts with the short position investment, where an investor does not own the stock

[Anonymous No.3688117]

>>3688068
>Short at 5000, close at 5500
>Loss: 500
You would get margin called before you lost the exchange any money, also you can only borrow if you have capital to put up for it. With shorting, you would lose your collateral, not the difference between 2 prices

[Anonymous No.3688119]

>>3688080
>the investor sells shares of borrowed stock in the open market.
SELLS BORROWED STOCK
NOT STOCK HE FUCKIGN OWNS

[Anonymous No.3688121]

>>3688080

The point that you're not understanding is that this is not what makes a difference. If you own a Bitcoin sell it or if you short a Bitcoin, you end up with the same result, because shorting is literally selling and rebuying. I mean you literally have the definition there it literally explains to you that's how shorting works.

[Anonymous No.3688128]

>>3688121
I just linked you THREE DEFINITIONS THAT SAY YOU MUST BORROW for it to be SHORT
fucking moron, just die.

[Anonymous No.3688133]

>>3688119

The point is that it makes no difference.

[Anonymous No.3688150]

>>3688128

And? Nobody has been arguing about that. The point is the result is the same.

[Anonymous No.3688151]

>>3688133
you make money, raw FIAT, ON THE WAY DOWN, thats a HUGE fucking difference

if it NEVER RECOVERS, ALA LEHMAN BROTHERS, YOU STILL MAKE MONEY ON THE WAY DOWN

if it goes UP, you LOSE MONEY ON SHORT POSITION. if you are NOT SHORT, but just SELL, you STILL HAVE YOUR 4000$, EVEN IF IT IS LESS OF A BITCOIN

[Anonymous No.3688177]

>>3688117

You only get margin called if you're low on capital. Either way the margin call just forces you to close earlier which would be the equivalent of setting a buy order at the mark that would trigger the margin call.

[Anonymous No.3688181]

>>3688068
NO NIGGER, YOU LOSE NOTHING IN THIS SCENARIO

SELL AT 5000, REBUY AT 5500 -> YOU STILL HAVE 5000

SHORT 5000$ WORTH and CLOSE SHORT AT 5500, YOU HAVE 4500

[Anonymous No.3688191]

>>3688151

You lose the money by rebuying at the higher price. Short is not sell. It's sell+buy

[Anonymous No.3688201]

>>3688191
sell WHAT YOU DO NOT OWN
this is the KEY DIFFERENCE
You can LOSE MONEY on shorting, you CANNOT lose money by regular selling
>>3688181

[Anonymous No.3688209]

WOW biz, this thread is clear proof that MOST of you are fucking retarded and have no idea what you're doing or what you think you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.3688222]

>>3688177
>implying your collateral changes when you have a short position open

[Anonymous No.3688223]

>>3688150
>Buy 1 BTC
>Send it to Bitfinex
>Sell 1000 OMG at $12
>Buy 1000 OMG at $9
>never owned 1 OMG ever in history. Still sold 1k

Its not the same... Just because 1 single specific scenario will technically get you the same profit or loss, doesn't mean its the same thing.

[Anonymous No.3688228]

>>3688181

Sell at 5000 buy at 5500 you have a Bitcoin minus 500 you needed to put in extra.
Short and close at 5500 you still have your Bitcoin minusnthe 500 loss.

I don't get why you're even arguing this. Selling and rebuying is literally what you do when you short. The only difference is that you're selling someone elses Bitcoin and not your own that you have to give back in the end. It makes no fucking difference if you sell your own Bitcoin or somebody elses though.
You end up with a loss of 500 either way.

[Anonymous No.3688236]

>>3688228
>you needed to put in extra.
WHY DO YOU NEED TO PUT IN EXTRA? THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOU DUMBASS? NOONE IS MAKING YOU HAVE PARITY WITH THE STOCK

I'm arguing because YOU'RE FUCKING WRONG AND DESERVE TO DIE FOR IT

[Anonymous No.3688247]

>>3688080
>>3688119
where the fuck can an american even do these things??

i use bittrex and cant see any options. ???


wtf this is so shit

[Anonymous No.3688259]

>>3688228
>Short and close at 5500 you still have your Bitcoin minusnthe 500 loss.
NO, DUMBASS, NOW YOU HAVE 4500/5500

THERE'S A BIGASS FUCKING DIFFERENCE THERE

>>3688247
there is no SHORTING on bittrex. poloniex, kraken, and bitmex allow SHORTING. You can only sell normally on bittrex.

[Anonymous No.3688272]

>>3688223

Shorting is literally the act of selling and rebuying later. What's so hard to understand about that? The result is the same, the only thing different is that you lend it from somebody. Selling and rebuying will ALWAYS result in the same profit/loss as shorting because that's when you do when you short.

[Anonymous No.3688288]

>>3688228
>>Short and close at 5500 you still have your Bitcoin minusnthe 500 loss.
this is REALLY pissing me off, what the FUCK do you mean you still of a fucking bitcoin minus 500 loss? You're twisting shit around in a retarded way to try to suit your DUMBASS narrative
stop trying to wave your ugly fat hands around in front of my face to hide things

YOU HAVE 4500/5500 NOW

IF YOU DID NOT SHORT YOU WOULD STILL BE AT 5000/5500

[Anonymous No.3688302]

>>3688236

That is not the fucking point. Of course nobody forces you to rebuy at 5500. But if you did it would be the same result as shorting and closing at 5500.

[Anonymous No.3688307]

>>3688228
>It makes no fucking difference if you sell your own Bitcoin or somebody elses though.
>You end up with a loss of 500 either way.
If you sell your own bitcoin to buy it back at the lower price, you will not end up with a profit though. Sell 1 BTC for $5000. You now have $5000. Buy 1 BTC back for $4000. You now have 1 BTC worth $4000 + $1000 fiat = $5000.

Short sell 1 BTC at $5000. You now have a 1 BTC debt. Buy 1 BTC at $4000 and repay the 1 BTC straight away. You now have $1000 profit

[Anonymous No.3688313]

>>3688288

To rebuy the Bitcoin you need 500 extra Dollars. That is your loss. What do you not get about that?

[Anonymous No.3688315]

>>3688302
NO YO UFUCKING RETARD, YOU SAID YOU NEEDED TO PUT IN EXTRA
YOU DO NOT NEED TO PUT IN EXTRA
YOU CAN JUST REBUY WITH YOUR 5000 AND STILL HAVE 5000
YOU DO NOT NEED TO PUT IN ANOTHER 500$ FOR NO REASON
You fucking IDIOT, stop adding random shit to the scenario

[Anonymous No.3688317]

>>3688288
ok dude youre right, you win. calm down man and short some bitcoin.

[Anonymous No.3688337]

>>3688313
NO DUMBASS, THATS NOT YOUR LOSS, YOU HAD 5000$ AND END UP WITH 5000$

IF YOU SHORT, YOU HAD 5000$ AND NOW HAVE 4500
>>3688317
not until this moron live streams jumping off a fucking cliff so I can make sure this fucking moron never reproduces with some whore in a back alley and makes the world a little worse by adding another little retard to it

[Anonymous No.3688338]

>>3688307

Yeah but you still have a Bitcoin that's worth 4000. So your networth is 5000 in both scenarios.

[Anonymous No.3688359]

>>3688272
Its only the same PROFIT/LOSS if you only go 1:1. In literally every single other possible scenario, its not the same... Even then you're just hedging if you go 1:1.

[Anonymous No.3688361]

>>3688315

You can't buy a Bitcoin for 5000 dollars if it costs 5500 dollars. The fuck you're even on about now? If you sell and rebuy at higher price you need to put in more money to be able to rebuy. We're now arguing over simple logic. I don't even know any other way to explain this to you.

[Anonymous No.3688368]

>>3688338
No, your networth in the shorting scenario is the same as in the no shorting scenario + the difference you made from shorting. Jesus fucking Christ you're dumb. If there was no difference between selling / buying and shorting then why would shorting even exist?

[Anonymous No.3688371]

>>3688361
WHO THE FUCK IS TALKING ABOUT BUYING A BITCOIN?
YOU ARE BUYING 5000$ WORTH OF A BITCOIN
THERE IS A CLEAR DIFFERENCE HERE YOU STUPID NIGGER
OPPORTUNITY COST IS NOT THE SAME AS A HARD LOSS

[Anonymous No.3688382]

>>3688359

As I said earlier, margin is just selling and rebuying more. See >>3687798

[Anonymous No.3688393]

>>3688382
buying and selling MORE is the KEY DIFFERENCE
what the FUCK is wrong with you
post your fucking address

[Anonymous No.3688401]

>>3688371

Again Short = Selling and Rebuying later.

You sell at 5000. Price goes to 5500. To rebuy you now need 5500 dollar. 500 dollars more than before. 500 is your loss.

[Anonymous No.3688411]

>>3688382
Everyone just stop replying to him

[Anonymous No.3688416]

>>3688401
no, you do NOT NEED 5500 TO BUY NOW
what the FUCK?
You can buy FRACTIONS of a coin you stupid nigger, do you not even fucking own any bitcoin???
You have 5000 at the start AND THE END

[Anonymous No.3688427]

GOING FROM 5000->4500 IS A LOSS
GOING FROM 5000->5000 IS NOTHING.

[Anonymous No.3688433]

>>3688393

The point is that if you own a Bitcoin and then proceed to short a Bitcoin the result is the same as actually selling your Bitcoin and rebuying it. This is literally what you do when you short.

[Anonymous No.3688449]

>>3688416

Then you end up with less Bitcoin. In which case your loss just appears as that amount in Bitcoin

[Anonymous No.3688467]

>>3688411

With Margin I mean Margin trading and not the fucking Margin you have to have when you Margin trade.

[Anonymous No.3688480]

>>3688449
No you fucking retard, YOU LOST NOTHING.

>tell your friends you start off with 5000$
>I lost 500$ today..
>oh no, you have 4500 now?
>no I have 5000$
>?
fucking dumbass retarded faggot
what part of the above conversation made sense to you

[Anonymous No.3688519]

>>3688480

You have a whole Bitcoin. You sell it. You later buy 0.9 Bitcoin. You lost 0.1 Bitcoin. (equaling 500 bucks in the above scenario)
You either need to put in 500 additional bucks to the whole Bitcoin, or you buy for 5000 in which case you have less Bitcoin

[Anonymous No.3688535]

>>3688519
so? You still have 5000$
you didn't lose anything you stupid nigger
if you were short, you would have 4500, which is EVEN LESS

[Anonymous No.3688568]

>>3685759
This picture describes me to a t

[Anonymous No.3688577]

Great troll thread. Ill bit anyway Selling removes yourself from further fluctuation in the price. Shorting gives you continued exposure to fluctuations in the price. Being long also gives exposure. In those situations you can win or lose dollars based on the price. Selling you lock in dollars. You have a clever false equivalency though

[Anonymous No.3688583]

>>3688535

You lost 0.1 Bitcoin
If you have a Bitcoin and short instead of selling your own you still have a whole Bitcoin. If you sold 0.1 Bitcoin for 500 bucks you'd end up at 5000 again.

[Anonymous No.3688584]

This is all clear to me now.
He simply CANNOT be this stupid AND function properly in real life
this means he is either a cripple and will never reproduce anyway, OR he is trolling and this was all fucking bait
I'm going to fucking take a shit now and argue with it, it's the same thing anyway.

[Anonymous No.3688605]

>>3688583
YES AND IF YOU FUCKING SHORTED YOU WOULD HAVE 0.8 INSTEAD OF 0.9
ITS A BIGGER FUCKING BITCOIN LOSS, AND A REAL LOSS IN FIAT VALUE
STOP IGNORING THE OITHER FUCKING HALF OF THE ARGUMENT AND CHERRY PICKING YOU RETARDED FUCKING REDNECK BITCH DIE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.3688607]

>>3688584
The irony of course being that you're the one being too dumb to understand where your profit/loss comes from when you sell and rebuy and why that equals the profit/loss of a short.

[Anonymous No.3688613]

>>3688607
Post your address. You're done. I dont care if you're a cripple.

[Anonymous No.3688630]

>>3688605

No. If you shorted nobody would have touched your Bitcoin. You still have that whole Bitcoin in the end and lost 500 bucks in the short.
Sell 0.1 Bitcoin to make the money back and the end result is 0.9 Bitcoin
Same result as selling 1 Bitcoin and rebuying 0.9 Bitcoin

[Anonymous No.3688644]

>>3688577

Of course. The profit/loss comes from "closing" the position by rebuying.

[Anonymous No.3688645]

>>3688630
> If you shorted nobody would have touched your Bitcoin
what the fuck are you talking about you stupid nigger
You cannot open a short position if noone fucking bought your bitcoin

[Anonymous No.3688654]

>>3688645

Your actual owned Bitcoin. Not the one you lend.

[Anonymous No.3688695]

>>3688630
>You still have that whole Bitcoin in the end
What the fuck are you talking about you dumb nigger
You have LESS than a bitcoin. Stop making these retarded semantic arguments. When it's short you still have a whole bitcoin (minus 500 hehe xd), and when its selling you suddenly DONT have a whole bitcoin because its -500 from a whole bitcoin?

This is retarded HAND WAVING semantics
>>3688654
You dont LEND in a short position you fucking idiot, you BORROW.
You don't even know how any of this fucking works

[Anonymous No.3688725]

So many fucking idiots itt

[Anonymous No.3688728]

>>3688630
>use 1 BTC as collateral
>short 1000 OMG
>BTC goes from $5000 to $5500
>OMG goes from $12 to $9
I make $3000 from OMG, plus $500 from BTC going up.

>use 12 ETH as collateral
>short 1 BTC
>ETH goes from 200 to 300
>BTC goes from $5000 to $4500
I make $500 from BTC, plus $1200 form ETH going up.

Literally every single scenario, except the single one you're cherry picking, is not even remotely the same thing as just selling your fucking btc and buying back lower.

[Anonymous No.3688747]

>>3688695

Ah yes borrow my bad. In my language borrow and lend are the same word.

Look if you are able to sell a Bitcoin you obviously own a whole Bitcoin.
In which case it makes no difference wether you short a Bitcoin (BORROWING a Bitcoin from somebody else rebuy it later and give it back) or you sell your own Bitcoin and rebuy it later.
This is my whole point.

[Anonymous No.3688820]

>>3688747
I know what your shit point is, my point is that YOU ARE FUCKING WRONG
If you are SHORT and it goes down 5% AND NEVER COMES BACK UP EVER, you make 5%
If you SHORT, 100$ -> 105$. IT HAS NOT RECOVERED YET. IT'S DOWN 5% AND YOU MADE 5%.
If you just sell and rebuy the bottom and it NEVER RECOVERS, you still are stuck at 100$.
it stays down 5% FOREVER. THERE IS NO BOUNCE.
WHAT IS MORE MONEY - 105$ OR 100$?

[Anonymous No.3688829]

>>3688728

No the only difference is that you changed the currency. Result is still the same.
>Own 1 BTC and 1000 OMG
>Sell 1000 OMG at 12 making 12000
>Buy 1000 OMG at 9 making spending 9000
Profit = 3000 bucks.
Bitcoin goes up 500 bucks.
Total profit: 3500 bucks.

Same with example Below

Sell Bitcoin for 5000 rebuy at 4500, profit 500 bucks.
Eth goes up 100, profit 1200 bucks. Total profit 1700

[Anonymous No.3688861]

>>3688820

You sell at 100 and buy at 95. You now 5 additional bucks.
You short and close at 95, you made 5 bucks.

How do you not understand this? Selling and rebuying is literally what you do when you short. This is the act that makes the profit/loss, the lending part has absolutely nothing to do with your profit/loss.

[Anonymous No.3688889]

>>3688861
No. Stop. BEFORE THE BOUNCE. DO YOU READ THIS? IT DOESN'T BOUNCE
YOU DIDN'T MAKE 5$ YOU IDIOT
WHY DO YOU KEEP ON IGNORING THE SCENARIO? HOW DID YOU MAKE 5$ TELL ME RIGHT NOW

IF BITCOIN IS 100$ AND YOU HAVE 1 BITCOIN, YOU SELL IT AND BUY AT 95$.

IT'S STILL AT 95$ RIGHT NOW. HOW MUCH FIAT DO YOU HAVE? YOU HAVE 100$. YOU HAVE MORE BITCOIN, BUT YOU ONLY HAVE 100$ STILL

IF YOU FUCKING SHORTED, YOU GO FROM 100->105$

BITCOIN IS STILL AT 95$ RIGHT NOW

AREYO U FUCKING READING THIS?

[Anonymous No.3688907]

>>3688889
NO. FUCKING. BOUNCE.

IT'S OBVIOUSLY TOO FUCKING COMPLICATED IN YOUR MIND IF IT BOUNCES.

STOP RIGHT HERE, BEFORE IT FUCKING BOUNCES AND LOOK AT P/L RIGHT NOW.

[Anonymous No.3688909]

>>3688829
Its not the same you dumbass
> I used 1BTC ($5000) to make $3500.
> You used 1BTC and 1000 OMG ($17,000) to make $3500

Lol are you joking?

[Anonymous No.3688924]

>>3688889

No, I don't assume a bounce.

Sell at 100, buy at 95. You have thing + 5 bucks.
Short at 100, close at 95. You have thing (that you never sold) + 5 bucks.

[Anonymous No.3688936]

>>3688909

Of course selling something requires you to own it. As I said it only makes a difference if you short something you don't actually own.

[Anonymous No.3688963]

>>3688924
HOW DO YOU HAVE +5$?
TELL ME RIGHT NOW

YOU SELL AT 100$, 1 BTC GONE
YOU BUY AT 95$ PER FUCKING COIN
THIS MEANS YOU HAVE 1.05 btc at 95$

95*1.05 = 100$

HOW THE FUCK DID YOU MAKE 5$ IN THIS SCENARIO? YOU FUCKING DIDN'T


THIS NEXT SCENARIO IS SHORT

SHORT at 100$ -> 95$. IT'S STILL AT 95$
YOU NOW HAVE 105$ YOU HAVE 1.10 BITCOIN NOW AT 95$ WHEN YOU CLOSE YOUR POSITION

EXPLAIN THIS. EXPLAIN HOW 1.10 IS THE SAME AS 1.05

[Anonymous No.3688970]

>>3688936
>it only makes a difference if you short something you don't actually own
Holy fuck that is 99.99999% of the time and the whole goddamn point of margin trading...
As I said its only the same with this one single cherry picked bullshit scenario you focus on (which is really just hedging 1:1)...

[Anonymous No.3688974]

>>3688963
I'M GOING TO BE VERY CLEAR BECAUSE I KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO IGNORE THE SECOND HALF OF THIS ARGUMENT AGAIN

READ THE SECOND FUCKING HALF AND COMPARE IT TO THE FIRST HALF.

DO NOT JUST REITERATE THE FIRST HALF TO ME. READ THE SECOND FUCKIGN HALF

[Anonymous No.3688996]

>>3685759
Who made this wtf

[Anonymous No.3689002]

>>3688963
CAN YOU FUCKING IMAGINE THIS, 104WH6P?

YOU TELL YOUR FUCKING PARENTS, I MADE 5$ TODAY

>OH THATS NICE, WHAT WAS YOUR STARTING CAPITAL?
>100$
>SO YOU HAVE 105$ NOW?
>NO I HAVE 100$
DO YOU NOT HOW STUPID THIS IS?

[Anonymous No.3689003]

>>3688963

No, you sell 1 BTC and buy 1 BTC and not 1.05.
You make the 5 bucks from selling for 100. This leeaves you with 100 bucks. Then you put 95 bucks back into BTC and end up with 5 bucks profit.

[Anonymous No.3689021]

>>3689003
go read this
>>3689002
You start and end with 100$ you fucking moron. you didn't make shit.

[Anonymous No.3689030]

>>3688970

Which is not what I have been arguing about. The entire point was that if you actually own thing it makes no difference if you short or actually sell thing.

[Anonymous No.3689054]

>>3689003
>You make the 5 bucks from selling for 100
>You make the 5 bucks from selling for 100
?????
How? How did you make 5$ by selling at 100$?

You buy one btc at 100$ and sell it at 100$ because you now think it goes down. No margin. This is just a sell immediately once you buy.
How the FUCK did you make 5$

[Anonymous No.3689070]

>>3689021

The thing is when you short, your Bitcoin is still gonna be worth 95 and not 100. You made 5 bucks from the short but lost 5 bucks of worth in BTC. The total is still 100.

[Anonymous No.3689078]

>>3689030
Title of the thread -
>What's the difference between shorting crypto and selling for USD and buying back in?

In your one specific cherry picked scenario, you would be right. In 100% of ALL other possibilities, you are WRONG. How do you not understand this?

[Anonymous No.3689086]

>>3689054

No, you already own a Bitcoin and sell it because you expect it to go down.

I said short equals sell and rebuy and not buy-sell-rebuy you moron.

[Anonymous No.3689088]

>>3689054
what the fuck are you talking about you stupid nigger
I short with 100$ of my own money, DIRECTLY with FIAT not fucking bitcoin. I never clicked buy bitcoin EVER at this point.

[Anonymous No.3689097]

>>3689086
No. I don't own bitcoin. The fuck are you talking about.
I have 100$. I SHORT bitcoin. I LACK bitcoin.

[Anonymous No.3689115]

>>3689078

How exactly? If OP owns say 1 BTC it makes no difference if he sells 1 BTC and then rebuys or if he shorts a BTC and leaves his BTC untouched.

What am I cherrypicking? This is how shorting works. The profit comes from rebuying something at a lower price. That's why the result is the same.

[Anonymous No.3689131]

>>3689097

If you don't own a Bitcoin you also can't sell a Bitcoin you dumbfuck.
And again this not why it's called short.

[Anonymous No.3689145]

>>3689131
>If you don't own a Bitcoin you also can't sell a Bitcoin
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHA
YES YOU CAN BITCH
IF YOU DONT OWN BITCOIN YOU CAN STILL SELL IT BY FUCKING, WAIT FOR IT

SHORTING BITCOIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING

THIS MAN HAS NEVER SHORTED ANYWHERE IN HIS LIFE, THATS WHY HE DOESN'T KNOW YOU CAN SHORT WITHOUT OWNING ANY BITCOIN

ARE YOU ONLY ON POLONIEX KID? BECAUSE YOU CAN SHORT WITHOUT OWNING THE FUCKING BITCOIN ON KRAKEN, BITMEX, AND BITFINEX!!!!!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.3689156]

>>3689131
>If you don't own a Bitcoin you also can't sell a Bitcoin you dumbfuck.
HOLY FUCK THIS IS SO FUCKING BEAUTIFUL

OH MY FUCKING GOD

I'M HAVING A FUCKING ORGASM HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.3689189]

>>3689156
>If you don't own a Bitcoin you also can't sell a Bitcoin you dumbfuck.

[Anonymous No.3689192]

>>3689145

You're a fucking retard. The point has been selling a Bitcoin that you already own equals in the same compared to shorting.

[Anonymous No.3689206]

>>3689192
>If you don't own a Bitcoin you also can't sell a Bitcoin you dumbfuck.

YOU WROTE IT

FUCKING EXPOSED HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.3689219]

>If you don't own a Bitcoin you also can't sell a Bitcoin you dumbfuck.

[Anonymous No.3689228]

>>3689156

You're jizzing your pants over nothing you tard. Yes shorting is the act of selling and rebuying something you don't own, but borrow.
The point is that we are arguing ACTUALLY selling and rebuying your owned Bitcoin vs shorting. And you can't sell something you don't own.

[Anonymous No.3689233]

>>3689228
> And you can't sell something you don't own.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHA

[Anonymous No.3689235]

>>3689219

Oh great now you're having a tardgasm

[Anonymous No.3689248]

>>3689233

Actually selling. As in for real selling. A short is a sell with a rebuy. Which is, precisely what I've been saying this entire time.

[Anonymous No.3689251]

>you can't sell something you can't own
mfw
>To go short a stock, an investor must borrow the shares

[Anonymous No.3689277]

>>3689248
INVESTOPEDIA SHORT SELL EXAMPLE,

For example, assume that Company XYZ is trading at $100 per share and an investor believes the price will decline over the next six months. He decides to short-sell 100 shares of Company XYZ. The transaction is initiated and the investor sees $10,000 cash posted in his account, as well as a negative $10,000 position in Company XYZ. Very often, if not all the time, this cash is not accessible and remains frozen in the account. To borrow the shares for six months, the investor agrees to pay 8% interest.

Six months later the shares are priced at $75 per share. The account now looks as follows:

Short sale proceeds = $10,000

Short position in Company XYZ = $7,500

Margin interest due = $800

AT THIS POINT, the investor purchases 100 shares at market price and returns them to the broker. His profit is:

Profit = $10,000 - $7,500 - $800 = $1,700

>mfw he NEVER OWNED THE STOCK BEFORE THAT
>mfw "you can't sell what you don't own"

[Anonymous No.3689284]

>>3689277

Yes, nobody is arguing that

[Anonymous No.3689291]

>>3689228
> Yes shorting is the act of selling and rebuying something you don't own
1 sentence later
>you can't sell something you don't own

[Anonymous No.3689322]

>>3689115
Because that's only true if you're talking specifically about shorting 1:1 on the coin you're using as collateral. In 100% of all other possibilities, you're wrong, and that's why its cherry picking.

[Anonymous No.3689350]

>>3689284
>nobody is arguing that
3 posts ago
>you can't sell something you don't own.

[Anonymous No.3689351]

>>3689291

You just entered full autism mode. I admit it was worded poorly, but what I'm saying you can't sell, fully sell as in sell thing and walk away with the money something you don't own.
With shorting you have to rebuy and give it back.

[Anonymous No.3689376]

>>3689322

At the danger of giving the autismo a stroke from spazzing out again, how else are you supposed to compare selling thing and rebuying with shorting if you don't actually own the thing you're selling?
That's the entire point

[Anonymous No.3689388]

>>3689351
so in other words
SHORTING AND SELLING ARE DIFFERENT

[Anonymous No.3689395]

>>3689388

Yes because shorting is selling+rebuying

[Anonymous No.3689430]

>>3689395
the sky is also blue

[Anonymous No.3689447]

>>3689376
> how else are you supposed to compare selling thing and rebuying with shorting if you don't actually own the thing you're selling?
because you BORROW the thing you're selling and NEVER own it when you SHORT

[Anonymous No.3689453]

>>3689430

Yes, thanks for finally getting it.
This is exactly what I've been saying this entire thread. It's literally the question of the thread and the answer is = there is no difference.

[Anonymous No.3689470]

>>3689453
>there is no difference.
2 posts ago
>SHORTING AND SELLING ARE DIFFERENT
>Yes

[Anonymous No.3689489]

>>3689453
the difference is that you BORROW and dont OWN and can therefore BORROW much more than you WOULD own

[Anonymous No.3689490]

>>3688568
>>3688996

It is half-asssed gaslighting. The pic describes a lot of people, particularly ones on 4chan. Basically: male with anxiety disorder.

Check out Jordan Peterson, The Redpill, and mindfulness for basic help in rectifying your situation. Don't wallow in misery.

[Anonymous No.3689492]

>>3689470

Yes, shorting is not selling. Shorting is selling+rebuying. Nobody has been arguing that shorting is just selling you were just too dumb to read.

[Anonymous No.3689525]

>>3689492
>Nobody has been arguing that shorting is just selling
>>3689453
>there is no difference.

>there's no difference, they're just not the same

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.3689540]

>>3689525

Are you purposely not understanding that Selling+Rebuying is a different act from just selling or are you really just that dumb?

[Anonymous No.3689548]

>>3689376
Because the word "shorting" is not the word "selling", and the OP didn't give any specifics at all.
Shorting involves selling, yes, but that does not make it the same thing, even if your cherry picked 1 single scenario is technically the same.

[Anonymous No.3689556]

>>3689540
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
THIS HAS BEEN MY ARGUMENT THE ENTIRE TIME AND NOW HE'S TRYING TO PUSH ME INTO HIS ARGUMENTS POSITION WHEN THERES CLEAR EVIDENCE THROUGH THIS ENTIRE THREAD THAT HE'S SAID
> there is no difference.(BTW SELLING AND SHORTING)
THE ENTIRE TIME

HAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA PATHETIC STRAWMAN YOU FUCKING RETARD

HE'S LITERALLY ARGUING AGAINST HIMSELF RIGHT NOW

[Anonymous No.3689569]

>>3689548

OP was very clear about buying back in. Which actually is what you do when you short. Which is why the result is the same. Because it is the same.

[Anonymous No.3689588]

>>3689540
this fucking retard doesn't even realize that my post is saying HE is the one saying there is no difference between selling and shorting

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
I'VE LINKED YOU TO ONE OF YOUR MANY COMMENTS SAYING THAT -YOU- THINK THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BTW SELLING AND SHORTING YOU IDIOT

LMAO

>>3689569
>Which is why the result is the same. Because it is the same.
>it is the same
>>3689492
>shorting is not selling.
>>3689569
>it is the same

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH

is this what cognitive dissonance looks like?

[Anonymous No.3689602]

>>3689556

No you've actually just been too dumb to read.
Shorting = Selling + Rebuying
Point to the post where I said Shorting is just selling and only selling you dumbfuck.

[Anonymous No.3689611]

>>3689569
Yes, in the 1 single cherry picked scenario of 1:1.
In 100% of ALL OTHER POSSIBILITIES, its not the same, and even in your cherry picked scenario, it is only the same in principal.

[Anonymous No.3689617]

>>3689602
right here
>>3689569
>it is the same
LMAO

[Anonymous No.3689624]

>>3689588

No, it just became very clear that you seriously lack reading comprehension.

[Anonymous No.3689636]

>>3689617

Literally said buying back in in the first sentence. Learn to read autismo

[Anonymous No.3689651]

>>3689624
YOU are the one without reading comprehension lmao
have you even graduated from high school english yet? ROFL
you've exposed that you're a fucking retard already kek
READ THE INVESTOPEDIA EXAMPLE AGAIN HAHAHAHAHHAHA

[Anonymous No.3689662]

>>3689611

As I said earlier, a higher leverage is just the equivalent of selling and rebuying more.

[Anonymous No.3689668]

>>3689662
except the difference is that YOU DONT OWN IT
WHICH IS THE ENTIRE POINT OF SHORTING

[Anonymous No.3689690]

>>3689668

Except that my point has been that IF you own it, then it makes no difference.

How are you supposed to_RE_buy something you never owned in the first place?

[Anonymous No.3689717]

>>3689690
>How are you supposed to_RE_buy something you never owned in the first place?
YOU'RE THE ONE WHO SAID _RE_BUY IN THE FIRST PLACE LMAO
It doesn't make sense to you BECAUSE YOUR PREMISE THAT YOU MADE UP IS WRONG
ROFL
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.3689718]

>>3689690
>>3689668

I mean the argument started with
>>3687390
To which you replied >>3687421

[Anonymous No.3689731]

Ugh I meant

>>3686809

[Anonymous No.3689738]

>>3689718
and ONCE AGAIN, you DO NOT MAKE PROFIT ON THE WAY DOWN
you realize your profit if you bought LOWER by selling HIGH for NORMAL SELLING

when you SHORT, you SELL HIGH without EVER OWNING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, then you BUY LOW to CLOSE THE POSITION
you don't "RE"BUY, you just BUY. YOU made up the word "REBUY" for shorting BY YOURSELF. YOU made it up. That was never in the definitions ANYWHERE.

[Anonymous No.3689754]

>>3689717

>BECAUSE YOUR PREMISE THAT YOU MADE UP IS WRONG

I didn't even make the premise you tard. Read the thread title again

[Anonymous No.3689757]

>>3689662
>>3689690

And you are wrong again, just like before. It is the same as BORROWING more and selling it. (you do not own it, and you can sell MORE than you own in dollar value)


>How are you supposed to_RE_buy something you never owned in the first place?

Because you BORROWED IT, then sold it, then bought it back, then gave it back....

[Anonymous No.3689781]

>>3689738

Yes this is what I've been saying this entire time >>3686809

[Anonymous No.3689791]

>>3689781
no dumbass, the fact that you BORROW it is a big difference

[Anonymous No.3689806]

>>3689781
when you short, you have a NEGATIVE balance that you must BUY later to make up for it. It is nowhere CLOSE to the horse shit you wrote

[Anonymous No.3689817]

>>3689781
>The transaction is initiated and the investor sees $10,000 cash posted in his account, as well as a negative $10,000 position in Company XYZ.
FROM THE INVESTOPEDIA EXAMPLE THAT I KNOW YOU DIDN'T READ : )))))))))) >>3689277

[Anonymous No.3689822]

>>3689757

The borrowing part has no influence on the profit/loss.
Wether you sell your own Bitcoin or somebody elses and then rebuy yields exactly the same result

[Anonymous No.3689835]

>>3689822
no it does not yield the same result, you own a NEGATIVE share when you short.
You are NEVER negative, you are not in DEBT EVER when you sell normally.

[Anonymous No.3689859]

>>3689791
>>3689791
>>3689806

And back to square one.
Yes, but IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE PROFIT/LOSS.

You own a Bitcoin. You sell your Bitcoin. You buy it cheaper.
You buy a Bitcoin. You borrow a Bitcoin. You sell a Bitcoin. You buy it cheaper. You give 1 Bitcoin back. Has exactly the samr result.

[Anonymous No.3689888]

>>3689835

Again.
You sell you Bitcoin at 100. You buy back at 95. You have a Bitcoin and 5 bucks.
You short a Bitcoin at 100 and close at 95. You have a Bitcoin and 5 bucks.

It's the same result, because you're not doing anything different by borrowing a Bitcoin IF YOU ALREADY OWN ONE

[Anonymous No.3689905]

>>3689859
YES IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE PROFIT LOSS IDIOT

You buy at bitcoin at 4000$. Suddenly you change your mind and thinks it will go down so you sell.
two possibilities: it does go down, and you buy 4000$ worth of bitcoin lower. you have 0 profit still since bitcoin has not recovered. You just own more bitcoin but you have 0% profit loss.

2nd: you sell. it goes up. You buy 4000$ worth of bitcoin. You own less bitcoin buy you made no profit loss. 0% profit loss. You cannot say you have a negative profit because you missed out on an upswing you fucking retard, thats not how profit loss works.

if you BORROW and SHORT, then you LOSE YOUR FUCKING MONEY. You dont STAY AT 4000$ THE ENTIRE TIME LIKE THE ABOVE SCENARIOS. You either make more FIAT and LOSE more.

[Anonymous No.3689913]

Stay poor, laddies

[Anonymous No.3689918]

>>3689888
NO WTF IS THAT?? LMAOOOOO

YOU CANNOT JUST SAY BITCOIN AND 5$ YOU MORON, THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT DENOMINATIONS

YOU NEVER TAKE ELEMENTARY MATH? THE DENOMINATOR MUST BE THE SAME. fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.3689959]

>>3689905

You are adding a step for now reason. It's not Buy-Sell-Buy.
It's Sell-Buy. You already own a Bitcoin. You fear worth is going down. So you sell and buy when it's down. The difference is your profit. It's the money you would have lost if you just held.

And this is exactly what you're doing when you short.

[Anonymous No.3689961]

>>3689888
>You short a Bitcoin at 100 and close at 95. You have a Bitcoin and 5 bucks
No you don't retard, you just have the extra $5

[Anonymous No.3689975]

>>3689888
this is it, this is why you're fucking wrong the entire time
you don't understand BASIC FUCKING FRACTIONS and think more BITCOIN somehow means more p/l% even if FIAT WISE you dont make ANY profit

You're just like that fucking retarded kid that took 1000 btc instead of 100,000 because he thought the btc would eventually go above 100,000.

he should've just taken the 100,000 and CONVERTED to btc instead of taking the CURRENTLY lower valued offer because he was too stupid to fucking convert it over.

[Anonymous No.3690043]

>>3689959
>>3689959
IT IS BUY SELL BUY IF YOU WANT TO SAY YOU MADE PROFIT

If you DO NOT BUY LOWER EARLIER, YOU MADE 0 PROFIT WHEN YOU SELL HIGH. You just make MORE BITCOIN. This is NOT the same as more profit because FIATWISE you are THE SAME AS BEFORE and THAT is how you measure PROFIT LOSS. You don't fucking profit if your fucking fiat value is the same in the end you dumbass.

[Anonymous No.3690047]

>>3689918

You seriously have autism. What difference does it make? Of course can have both Bitcoin and dollar.
But okay let's put everything in Bitcoin if that helps yoi understand.
You have a Bitcoin. You sell into fiat. Buy at 5% lower and now own 1.05 BTC.
You short a Bitcoin. Close at 5% lower. You now own 1.05 Bitcoin.

[Anonymous No.3690075]

>>3689961

Yes you do. It's the premise of the entire thread.

[Anonymous No.3690104]

>>3690043

Well you can argue against Buy Sell Buy all you want, nobody ever said this. You're only arguing against yourself.
It's only sell buy.

[Anonymous No.3690111]

>>3690075
Just kill yourself. You short a Bitcoin at 100 (borrow 1 bitcoin from the exchange and sell immediately at market rate) and close at 95 (buy 1 bitcoin at market rate to repay the exchange). You don't have a Bitcoin because you just repaid the exchange and you get to keep the 5 bucks. Again, kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.3690135]

>>3690111

But the act of shorting doesn't change the fact that you already own a Bitcoin.

IF you already own a Bitcoin, it makes no difference wether you sell it and rebuy or wether you short a Bitcoin.

[Anonymous No.3690148]

>>3685724
shorting crypto = making usd while bitcoin price drops.

selling for usd and buying back = making $0 while bitcoin price drops.

you can buy back under both scenarios when the market shows signs of recovering, so shorting in bear period and going long in bull periods = maximum gains.

[Anonymous No.3690150]

>>3690104
The entire fucking point is that YOU DID NOT MAKE ANY PROFIT fiatwise you stupid nigger
>>3690047
No. What the fuck is wrong with you. I already fucking typed this shit out earlier, you are literally just straight fucking wrong

You need to RETURN the fucking money you borrowed you fucking idiot, YOUR PROFIT FROM THE SHORT CAME FROM MONEY YOU DONT OWN

Change that ALL to FIAT for your calculations. You're just straight fucking it up. I already did the calculations in fiat earlier, but do it again yourself you stupid nigger. See the fucking difference.

[Anonymous No.3690191]

>>3690135
It does, especially if you use leverage you fucking spanner

[Anonymous No.3690201]

>>3690150

Ok then let's do it in Fiat.
You own a Bitcoin. You sell and buy at 95. You now own 95 worth of Bitcoin and 5 bucks equaling 100.
Short. You make 5 dollars. Your Bitcoin dropped in price by 5 dollars. Your total amount is 100 bucks.

[Anonymous No.3690207]

the difference is that between TWO PEOPLE WITH THE (((SAME))) STARTING BALANCE ( not fucking different like you randomly write about) , SHORTING VS SELLING WILL LET THE ONE WHO SHORT END UP WITH MORE MONEY IF it goes down

[Anonymous No.3690231]

>>3690201
>Your Bitcoin dropped in price by 5 dollars
YOU KEEP FUCKING IT UP RIGHT HERE

I DO NOT POSSESS BITCOIN YOU FUCKING MONKEY RETARD

I HAVE 100$, THE EQUIVALENT, BUT NOOOOT THE SAME AS 1 BTC, and THAT 100$ WILL NOT FALL TO 95$ AS BITCOIN FALLS TO 95$ YOU MORON

YOU END UP WITH 5$ MORE THAN THE START AT 105$

[Anonymous No.3690255]

>>3685759
minus bottom left, that shit is me. Who the fuck is this meme magician staring into the souls of us /biz/tards?

[Anonymous No.3690257]

>>3690231>>3690201
Why the FUCK would my FIAT 100$ fall to 95$ when BITCOIN fell to 95$?
you fucking moron
THIS is the difference between shorting and selling. You do not OWN the asset and THEREFORE ARE NOT EFFECTED NEGATIVELY BY ITS DOWNSWING

[Anonymous No.3690273]

>>3690191

Yes but the difference comes from the lever not from the act of shorting. It would equal to buying and holding leveraged Bitcoin Contracts instead of buying regular Bitcoin.

[Anonymous No.3690287]

DO YOU KNOW WHO TAKES THE 5$ HIT ON BTC ANON?

ITS THE FUCKER WHO LENT YOU THE BITCOIN! NOT YOU. YOU MAKE 5% on a 5% drop. the guy LENDING LOSES 5% BECAUSE ITS STILL <HIS> BITCOIN that YOU borrowed

[Anonymous No.3690288]

>>3690231

Yes you do. That's the point.

[Anonymous No.3690295]

>>3686642
that would mean that you cant possibly short shit that you dont already own you collosal fucking imbicile

[Anonymous No.3690303]

>>3690288
No, you DONT.

You BORROWED THE BITCOIN FROM SOMEONE, AND IT'S HIS BITCOIN.

HE IS THE ONE THAT LOSES MONEY IF BITCOIN GOES DOWN. YOU are the PROFITER FROM THE DIFFERENCE. THE LENDER JUST GETS SOME SHITTY FEE.

[Anonymous No.3690306]

>>3690287

Yes, but if you already own a Bitcoin you're affected by the dip too.

[Anonymous No.3690325]

>>3690303

OP owns Bitcoin. He wants to know if there's a difference in selling his Bitcoin and rebuying them later or shorting them. There isn't.
You're arguing against a scenario you made up yourself, nobody has been arguing about.

[Anonymous No.3690326]

>>3690306
In the SELL scenario, you AVOID the loss buy sell and buying and SAVE your 5$

In the SHORT scenario, YOU DONT FUCKING OWN BITCOIN YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!!!!! YOU TAKE 5$ FROM SOMEONE ELSE WHO FAILED TO SELL!!!!!

>>3690306
THE ENTIRE POINT OF SHORTING IS THAT YOU BORROW THE BITCOIN, IT DOESN'T FUCKING BELONG TO YOU, MORON.

The PERSON WHO LENT HAS HIS BITCOIN LOCKED IN AND CANNOT SELL AND CANNOT SAVE HIS 5$. SINCEYOU SHORTED, YOU TAKE HIS 5$.

[Anonymous No.3690339]

>>3690325
no you fucking retard, this is a 1:1 scenario. Read again mother fucker. You are wrong even in the 1:1.

[Anonymous No.3690351]

>>3690326

It's not two fucking scenarios though fucktard. You've been making that up the entire time.
You own a Bitcoin. Do you sell and rebuy later or do you short? Answer: Doesn't make a fucking difference.

[Anonymous No.3690368]

>>3690351
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOU DUMB BITCH

ITS SHORT SOMEONE ELSES BITCOIN, OR SELL YOUR OWN

THESE ARE THE TWO SCENARIOS

READ AGAIN BITCH. 1:1 MARGIN.

[Anonymous No.3690382]

>>3690306
Why the FUCK would you own bitcoin if you're shorting it you dumb nigger lmao
what a STUPID fucking argument

[Anonymous No.3690396]

>>3690351
THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SHORT AND JUST SELLING.

I KNOW YOU CAN FUCKING UNDERSTAND IT NOW. THERE'S NO FUCKING WAY YOU DONT. IT CANNOT BE CLEARER THAN THIS. I'VE IDENTIFIED WHO TAKES THE 5$ LOSS NOW, WHICH WAS -CLEARLY- YOUR PROBLEM EARLIER.

THE LENDER TAKES THE LOSS.

[Anonymous No.3690398]

>>3690368

Your Bitcoin doesn't magically disappear just because you decided to short instead of selling.

You are still the same person, in the same position with the same amount of Bitcoin.
Of course you don't fucking get if you compare two completely different people.

[Anonymous No.3690420]

>>3690398
No you FUCKING IDIOT

if I have 100$ in bitmex, I CAN SHORT BITCOIN BY BORROWING IT FROM SOMEONE WHO IS LENDING IT TO ME

I DO NOT OWN A SINGLE BITCOIN HERE AND CAN STILL SHORT

SINCE HE IS LOANING HIS BTC TO ME, I GIVE HIM THE SAME AMOUNT OF BTC BACK IN THE END WHEN I CLOSE THE POSITION, HE GETS HIS 1 BTC BACK

HE LOANED IT TO ME AT 100$/BTC, AND I GIVE BACK 1 BTC AT 95$/BTC

UNDERSTAND, MOTHER FUCKER? THATS HOW LENDING WORKS.

[Anonymous No.3690424]

>>3690382

Because that's what OP has been asking.
Of course it's dumb to short something you own.

[Anonymous No.3690429]

>>3690325
Man you are so retarded. I'm glad people like you exist, there has to be losers in this game.

[Anonymous No.3690442]

>>3690398
You CLEARLY have a FUNDAMENTAL misunderstand on how margin works.

You do NOT NEED TO OWN ANY BITCOIN you stupid nigger. You BORROW IT.

>>3690424
dont pan this off on OP you fucking retard, this is it. This is the fundamental misunderstanding you've had this ENTIRE fucking time.

You simply did not understand that you are BORROWING from another PERSON who is LENDING the fucking bitcoin, and HE takes the loss if there is one. THAT is the fucking difference.

[Anonymous No.3690456]

>>3690420
>I DO NOT OWN A SINGLE BITCOIN

You do. That's the point. You own a Bitcoin and now decide wether you should sell it and buy back later or short to which the answer is it makes no difference.

It's not my fault you make up your own scenario, argue against it and then get mad at yourself for arguing against something nobody else has been arguing about

[Anonymous No.3690459]

>>3690442
Like, the lender WILL get his 1 BTC back no matter what, but its going to be 1 btc returned regardless if its 1$ a bitcoin or 100$ a bitcoin.

He ONLY gets 1 BTC back and YOU take the .05 if your trade is successful

[Anonymous No.3690471]

>>3690459
Stop replaying to blatant troll
>>3690456
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.3690493]

>>3690442

>What's the difference between shorting crypto and selling and buying back in

That's the OP title. You're the one with the misunderstanding. From OP's position it makes no difference wether he shorts or sells his crypto and buys it back again

[Anonymous No.3690513]

>>3690471
This is fucking it, this is the breakthrough.
I KNOW he fucking understands it now.

>>3690456
NO BITCH, WHO SAID THAT? NOONE

OP ONLY STATED HE WANTS THE DIFFERENCE BTW SHORTING AND SELLING AND THAT IS OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE ARE ARGUING ABOUT

>>3690493
STFU BITCH, I KNOW THAT YOU UNDERSTAND YOU JUST GOT FUCKING REKT AND IM GOING TO FUCKING MAKE YOU ADMIT IT

IF BITCOIN DOESN'T FUCKING MOVE AT ALL, HE CAN STILL SHORT OTHER CRYPTO WITH BITCOIN ON POLONIEX, IT'S THE EXACT SAME FUCKING CONCEPT, EXCEPT THE LENDER TAKES THE HIT IN THE OTHER CURRENCIES NOW

[Anonymous No.3690522]

>>3690493

Also read >>3685759

OP already owns Crypto. Shorting it would result in no difference to selling and rebuying.

[Anonymous No.3690534]

>>3690493
You STUPID little faggot you think you can weasel your weaselly little ass out of this like that?

>>3690522

YOU REALLY FUCKING THINK YOU CAN TRY TO BLAME FUCKING OP'S WORDING? ITS CLEAR AS FUCKING DAY WHAT HE MEANT LMAO

NO SEMANTICS MOTHER FUCKER. KNEEL BEFORE ME

[Anonymous No.3690549]

>>3690513

>and selling ang buying back in
>BUYING BACK IN

What exactly do you not understand about this sentence?

[Anonymous No.3690560]

>>3690534

The one weasling is you. It's not my fault you don't understand english sentences.

OP's wording is pretty clear

[Anonymous No.3690584]

>>3690549
What the FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH YOUR SHIT ARGUMENTS HERE >>3690201
AND HERE >>3690047

what ABOUT buying back in you stupid faggot?
Buying back in in a SHORT scenario is just giving the fucking lender his btc back AND YOU keep the difference

YOU keep the .05 in YOUR ABOVE LINKED SCENARIOS, while the LENDER gets his 1 BTC back

I dont give a single flying FUCK about OP, I'm looking at what YOU wrote MINUTES ago and OBLITERATING YOU

now ANSWER mother fucker. YOU keep the 5$ from the 5% drop AND your 100$, while the other LENDER gets back his 95$, BECAUSE HE WAS ESSENTIALLY JUST HOLDING BY LENDING IT TO YOU

CONFESS YOUR SINS RIGHT NOW BITCH

[Anonymous No.3690593]

But you know what, let's let OP clear this.
Hey OP, you own crypto or not?

[Anonymous No.3690608]

>>3685759
These people are also extremely sensitive to criticism and/or differences in opinion. They also have poor control over their emotions and could get angry very easily, but only in front of family/friends. In front of strangers, they act extremely timid.

[Anonymous No.3690610]

>>3690593
SHUT UP FUCKING FAGGOT, ITS CLEAR AS FUCK WHAT OP WANTED TO KNOW YOU WEASELLY LITTLE FAGGOT, HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAH

ANSWER THE FUCKING SCENARIO NOW YOU BITCH. ARE THEY STILL THE FUCKING SAME, OR DO YOU FINALLY SEE THE ACTUAL PROFIT OF 5$ AND THE LOSS OF 5$ ON THE LENDERS SIDE

WELL, MOTHER FUCKER?

[Anonymous No.3690620]

>>3690593
LOOK AT THIS FUCKING FAGGOT, WRONG FOR OVER 4 FUCKING HOURS IN THIS FUCKING THREAD AND TRYING TO SQUIRM HIS PATHETIC LITTLE ASS OUT OF IT

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAA

[Anonymous No.3690650]

GAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAH

FUCKING IDIOT FORGOT A LENDER EXISTED THE ENTIRE FUCKING TIME

TRYING TO SQUIRM HIS WORMY LITTLE ASS OUT BY ASKING SOMETHING AS FUCKING STUPID AS "LOL OP DO YOU OWN ANY CRYPTO?? IF YOU DO MY RETARD SCENARIO THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN WILL BE TRUE!!!"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.3690658]

>>3690584

I've been propoaing the same scenario. A guy owns Bitcoin and decides wether he shorts or sells and rebuys. >>3689717

Here you even just say my premise is wrong, clearly knowing that the premise is someone owning Crypto and then deciding to either or or sell and buy back in.

And like I said up there you seriously lack reading comprehension.

The thing is you're in a full autistic spazz ramble you don't even understand that and now can't admit that you're the one who misunderstood.

[Anonymous No.3690668]

>>3690522
Hello pal.

Though you are technically correct that in the scenario where you own one bitcoin, it doesn't really matter for the outcome if you:
>Use this bitcoin as collateral and open a 1 BTC short @ 4000$
>Close short @ 3000$
>Outcome: 1000$ (minus lending fees) and 1 BTC

or if you:
>Sell your bitcoin @ 4000$
>Rebuy @ 3000$
>Outcome: 1000$ and 1 BTC

It is true that the end result is the same IN THIS SCENARIO. This does however not mean that selling and rebuying equals shorting.
There are a million scenarios where this is not the case.

The problem is that in your scenario you chose to use the currency you are shorting as collateral for your short loan. This makes no sense. Why would you use the bitcoin as collateral in your short when you think it is about to dip? The non-retarded thing to do would be to:
>Sell your btc for USD (or whatever other currency you think will get more valuable compared to BTC) when you think the dip is coming.
>Use your USD to open a short for 1 BTC @ 4000$
>Close short @ 3000$
>Outcome: 5000$ (You seem a little slow: 4000$ from selling the BTC, and 1000$ minus lending fees from the short you opened ~5000$)
>1000$ extra compared to your example.

[Anonymous No.3690683]

>>3690610

The mere fact that you're completely spazzing out about the possibility of OP clearing things up is telling enough that you realized you fucked up and completely misinterpreted things and had and autistic rageout for four hours about yourself.

[Anonymous No.3690700]

>>3690658
NO GET FUCKED YOU STUPID BITCH, ITS RIGFHT FUCK HERE, YOUR FAILURE IS WRITTEN IN STONE ON THE INTERNET

>>3690201
YOU FUCKING THINK WHEN YOU SHORT AND BORROW (AS IS -REQUIRED- BY THE DEFINITION OF SHORTING), THAT YOU LOSE THE FIAT VALUE OF WHAT YOU BORROWED

YOU FUCKED UP YOU STUPID BITCH

YOU SHOULD'VE READ THE INVESTOPEDIA SCENARIO PROPERLY, BECAUSE IT WAS ALSO A 1:1 SCENARIO WITHOUT EXTRA MARGIN

YOUR FUCK UP IS IN 100 POSTS ACROSS THIS ENTIRE FUCKING THREAD

YOU BORROW THE STOCKS FROM SOMEONE ELSE AND BUY LOW >>FOR THEM<<, AND THEY ONLY GET THEIR ORIGINAL STOCK +fEES BACK, WHILE YOU TAKE THE MEAT OF THE SHORT

SO IF THE LENDER DID IT HIMSELF, HE WOULD HAVE 1.05 BTC, BUT HE FUCKING DIDNT, HE LENT IT AND HIS 1 BTC STAYED AT 1BTC

HOWEVER, BTC DROPPED 5$ IN VALUE AND HE EATS THAT LOSS WHILE YOU TAKE THAT MONEY SINCE >>YOU<< ARE THE SHORTER

[Anonymous No.3690706]

>>3690683
STFU FAGGOT ASS CUNT, YOU JUST GOT REKT ON SO MANY FUCKING LEVELS
HOW RED IS YOUR FUCKING FAT FACE RIGHT NOW AS YOU TRY TO SQUIRM YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS WITH PATHETIC LITTLE SEMANTIC ARGUMENTS???

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.3690720]

>>3690683
>3690683
CAN YOU GUYS EVEN IMAGINE BEING THIS PATHETIC?
NOT ONLY IS HE WRONG FOR HOURS, BUT WHEN HE IS WRONG, HE SQUIRMS AROUND AND SAYS "WELL THE OP HAD BAD WORDING"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

HIS LAST RETORTS TO ME HAVE LITERALLY JUST BEEN THE EQUIVALENT OF "NO U"

LITERALLY NOTHING TO SAY NOW, HUH FAGGOT

[Anonymous No.3690737]

>>3690700

>YOU FUCKING THINK WHEN YOU SHORT AND BORROW (AS IS -REQUIRED- BY THE DEFINITION OF SHORTING), THAT YOU LOSE THE FIAT VALUE OF WHAT YOU BORROWED

No I don't. You think that I think that and have had an autistic rageout about yourself.

Feel free to link to the post where I said that though

[Anonymous No.3690749]

>>3690720

You're the one who says OP has bad wording. I think OP's wording is pretty clear. Clearly you're the one squirming around.

[Anonymous No.3690757]

>>3690737
>Short. You make 5 dollars. Your Bitcoin dropped in price by 5 dollars.
>>3690201
RIGHT THERE BITCH
I LINKED IN 3 TIMES CONSECUTIVELY
YOU THINK YOU LOSE THE FIAT VALUE, YOU WROTE IT YOURSELF, RIGHT FUCKING THERE AND HERE
>>3690047
you made this REALLY clear in BOTH btc AND fiat value what YOU think happens to a shorter's money
You fucking STUPID retard, you fucked up

[Anonymous No.3690768]

>>3690668

This is true and basically what I wanted to get at. If you want to short you clearly need to sell your Bitcoin, then short, then rebuy.

[Anonymous No.3690774]

>>3690749
ONCE AGAIN, LITERALLY "NO YOU" as an ARGUMENT
AHAHAHAHAHHA
GET FUCKED YOU LITTLE WORM
MY GOD THIS SATISFACTION
I WIN THE FUCKING ANONYMOUS INTERNET ARGUMENT YOU FUCKING BITCH, GET FUCKING REKT

[Anonymous No.3690780]

>>3690668
That's too much logic for him

[Anonymous No.3690793]

>>3690768
>If you want to short you clearly need to sell your Bitcoin, then short

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
TRYING TO FUCKING SQUIRM IN NEW SHIT AT THE LAST SECOND, "OH WAIT BUT I ACTUALLY MEANT THIS WITH <THIS> ATTACHED!"

FUCKING RETARD

[Anonymous No.3690801]

>>3690768
Of course! If you think btc is going to dip you dont hold btc.

I don't really understand what your point is though. Shorting != Selling and rebuying.

[Anonymous No.3690804]

ladies and gents, the state of /biz/

[Anonymous No.3690810]

>>3690757

You clearly are reading things that aren't there. You own a Bitcoin. Your Bitcoin loses 5%. The short equals the loss.

Maybe I should have added the scenario
>don't do anything
to make you understand

Don't do anything just results in a 5% loss.

[Anonymous No.3690839]

>>3690810
NO YOU FUCKING FAGGOT
You said the SHORTER ENDS UP WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY AS A PERSON WHO DOESN'T BORROW

FUCKING WRONG

It's ONLY TRUE IF YOU USE FUCKING BITCOIN AS COLLATERAL TO FUCKING SHORT BITCOIN, WHICH IS FUCKING RETARDED YOU DUMB BITCH.

AND I'VE SAID THAT YOU DONT NEED TO FUCKING USE BITCOIN AS COLLATERAL, AND YOU SAID
>how can you sell something you don't own?

DONT TELL ME YOU FORGOT ABOUT THAT? LMAO

THAT CLEARLY INDICATED THAT YOU DID NOT EVEN CONSIDER THE FACT THAT YOU DONT NEED BTC AS COLLATERAL TO FUCKING SHORT BITCOIN
THAT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE

[Anonymous No.3690854]

>>3686809
>>>3686695
>I do, but wether you actually own a Bitcoin, sell it and buy it again later or wether borrow it to sell it and buy again later is not a difference.

This is your original comment that started this shitshow. It is indeed a retarded comment. So we all agree now that shorting is not equal to selling and rebuying?

Great!
Show is over folks.

[Anonymous No.3690860]

>>3689228
>>3689228
>>3689228
>And you can't sell something you don't own.
RIGHT HERE, FAGGOT SUPREME PUTS OUT HIS INABILITY TO COMPREHEND THAT YOU DONT NEED BTC AS COLLATERAL TO SHORT BTC
NOTE THIS THIS IS HALF WAY THROUGH THE THREAD AND HE'S BEEN ARGUING AGAINST THE FACT THAT YOU DONT NEED BTC AS COLLATERAL SINCE THEN

[Anonymous No.3690881]

is there a difference between shorting and margin trading or is it the same?

[Anonymous No.3690894]

>>3690881
shorting is a subsect of margin trading, not all margin trading is shorting though.

[Anonymous No.3690910]

>>3690881
Shorting is a kind of margin trading.

Margin trading just means trading with something borrowed. To short you have to borrow, so yeah.

[Anonymous No.3690919]

>>3690881
margin trading = borrow money to long/short
short = betting that the price will drop

[Anonymous No.3691024]

15 MINUTES HAVE PASSED SINCE THE FAGGOTS LAST REPLY
IT'S FINALLY FUCKING OVER
he has BEEN SLAIN
Let it be known that you dont fucking argue with oegFFC4p you fucking scum fuck faggots
now go buy digibyte you fucks

[Anonymous No.3691042]

>>3690894
>>3690910
>>3690919

thanks.
taking kraken as an example, can i loose more than my account funds, i.e. owing them money on top of the amount i lost already?

[Anonymous No.3691064]

>>3691042
you will get margin called and your position will automatically close when your loss is too large
this prevents you from defaulting on your loan

ie. you MUST give back 1 btc to the lender if you borrowed 1 btc from him, so they will close your position to make sure he can get his 1btc back

[Anonymous No.3691082]

>>3691024
Allthought you were right all along, you never took one minute to try to understand what the retard didn't.

You guys never talked about the fact that using the currency you are shorting as collateral would never be done in practice and makes no sense.

I would say you score pretty high on the autism spectrum aswell just by how you handled your disagreement.

And for the record; it was my post that made him (and you) understand what he did not understand.

Peace tard

[Anonymous No.3691207]

>>3691082
NO SHIT I HAVE OVER 100 POSTS IN THIS FUCKING THREAD, I'M FUCKING AUTISTIC??? REALLY?
Your post didn't do shit, he just fucking left because he got rekt
and I DID address that halfway through the fucking thread, where I laughed at him for 10 straight posts of laughinggirls.jpgs because he didn't realize you dont need btc as collateral

I wrote this HALFWAY THROUGH THE THREAD and SEVENTEEN POSTS before yours I addressed it DIRECTLY
HERE: >>3690442
YOUR first post was here
>>3690668

dont try to take credit for my slaying of the retard you punk ass bitch

[Anonymous No.3691319]

haha holy fuck this thread is still going...

[Anonymous No.3692196]

>>3691207
>where I laughed at him for 10 straight posts of laughinggirls.jpgs
oh my, you devilish rascal, I'm sure he's sudokoing as we speak

[Anonymous No.3692344]

I have been on 4chin for years and I can confidently say this is the most retarded thread I have ever seen.

The guy in green is fucking retarded pajeet and you other idiots are too for still replying to him, I hope this is all some autism roleplay you have going on.

[Anonymous No.3692523]

>>3687576
youre expecting it to continue up. think of it in terms of an actual market, instead of whatevet shit is in your head. if you dont short it, but you sell, and price goes down, you buy back, price goes down, you buy again, price goes down, down down, tell me how you've made money. on a short? you owe a bitcoin you borrowed. you simply hand over a bitcoin you got at a lower price and pocket the difference. if you sold and rebought, you are simply just crossing your fingers it someday goes back up in price. So you're twice as slow at making money. Sad.