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3631535 No.3631535 [Reply] [Original]

please stop buying.. i dont want to see every one loose their money when the scam is shown.

sell you're chainlink coins now or u will be get dumped on and be sorry

>> No.3631545

fuck you, you're not taking my links!

>> No.3631548

>>3631535
This is the most popular scam out there. Too bad it's just that... a scam.

>> No.3631552

wtf just sold 100k

>> No.3631564

>>3631535
thanks anon, sold all my holding. how did you find out it was a scam?

>> No.3631570

yeah, sold 100k, SCAM

>> No.3631591

>>3631535
What do you mean?

>> No.3631602

>>3631591
He means he wants ur bags buddy

>> No.3631612

>>3631535
>be scared when others are greedy
>be greedy when others are scared

This shit is getting hyped way too hard on here right now. So yeah I agree. Much safer bet is to put money into something in the red right now that is undervalued. Link is a 2 man team and they could easily lose focus of token value and it could easily drop to at or below ico price on ED. And it's on fucking ED right now so if it starts tanking good luck trying to sell at a small loss with the low volume and bad UI.

Buying now is complete fomo.

>> No.3631613

>>3631602
w-what if it's a scam

>> No.3631614

>>3631564
no working product
solved "problem" exist only after it was created.. for 32 million... lol

>>3631591
it's a ponzi scam... sell now if you have still

>> No.3631626

what exchange is this on?

>> No.3631632

It's getting hyped on /biz/ and biz alone. No other forums are talking about it yet. I'm screenshotting your post and I'll dedicate a thread in your honor in a few weeks.

>> No.3631634

I dont even understand why we would need this. Why do we need this for eth?

>> No.3631637

>>3631634
Banks need it for eth

>> No.3631642

please guys im begging you to sell, I just did research on link and i want in

>> No.3631647

/biz/ is turning into one of the dumbest boards on this site.

>> No.3631650

>>3631637
Why?
Also, this assumes banks want to use eth.

>> No.3631672

>>3631650
It's literally on the site man, and I was simplifying when I said eth, it's a way for financial institutions to get into blockchain shit in general

https://link.smartcontract.com/

>> No.3631692

how do I buy link? I'm only using bittrex rn, what exchange do I need to be on?

>> No.3631696

>>3631647
To be fair, /biz/ attracts any poor sap with memes of riches and lambos.
Doesn't help the richfags show off.

>> No.3631697

>>3631672
I dont care what the site tells me, that is biased.
If its because of ownership, you could simply create erc-20 tokens which represent an real life asset.

I repeat, why do we need chain link?
What value does it bring.

>> No.3631723

>>3631697
I have no idea. Apparently it's backed by Facebook so you can buy things on Facebook with LINKS in theory.

>> No.3631733

>>3631697
Are you the same clown that keeps going into LINK threads demanding people to explain things to you and then getting pissed off and dismissive when they answer your questions?

>> No.3631737
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3631737

>>3631697
What problem?!
It implies you cant use api's with smart contracts.
But you can.
Everything (information based) thats connected to the internet can be used in smart contracts.

This is a meme coin.
Prove me wrong

>> No.3631753

>>3631733
No this is the first thread and am genuinely interested.
I simply dont see its value.

>> No.3631774

>>3631737
/thread
These peons will make arguments with zero substance to defend this scamcoin, because they are too emotionally invested in it

>> No.3631776

You'll never get me lucky links!

>> No.3631777

>>3631733
hes the clown for sure, he wont admit to it ofcourse

>> No.3631790

>>3631737
>Everything (information based) thats connected to the internet can be used in smart contracts.
You have to get the information into the blockchain somehow, and you have to do it in a way that everyone using the contract trusts. Chainlink focuses on solving that problem in a decentralized way.

>> No.3631853

>>3631790
Ok I think I get your point.
Still needs adoption to be successful though.

>> No.3631865

>>3631853
That's what the presentation at SIBOS is for you dingaling.

>> No.3631888

>>3631853
If banks would run their information on ethereum/plasma they wouldnt need something like chainlink. Since the information cant be manipulated.

>> No.3632286

>>3631888
>run their information on ethereum
that's literally what chainlink is attempting to do

>> No.3632308

This will not end well. Too much rich dreams who doesn't even understand the concept.
And the devs are looking for a way to get adopted in the real world. That means no Instant X5 gains and therefore all the poor /biz/ fags will dump very soon.

>> No.3632343

>>3632286
What I mean is why do you need an extra layer, if plasma is all you need.

>> No.3632372

>>3632308
>Too much rich dreams who doesn't even understand the concept
>And the devs are looking for a way to get adopted in the real world

That's literally every coin out there including Bitcoin at one point.

>> No.3632395

>>3632372
90% of all startups fail.
I have yet to find out what value chainlink will bring what besides what will be solved by ethereum in the near future.

>> No.3632419

>>3632395
>in the near future
Why wait when LINK can already do it?

>> No.3632441

>>3632419
Why banks adopt it when they try to stay far away from crypto atm?
Also if they do decide to adopt it, why will they add an extra unnecessary layer?

There is no problem for chainlink to solve atm.

>> No.3632488

>>3632441
And when there will be a problem, it can be solved in Ethereum itself or even a better Blockchain in the Future.

>>3632372
And where do you make gains today? In Tokens which are buildijg solely on delivering and Future use case? Or more like on coins which are built solely in hype and marketing, like omg neo and Kyber?
I don't see the big picture adding Up, but i guess i am not blinded like 99% of biz right now.
Guess we are all waiting for SIBOS to take Profits anyway, then this project will be dead for several months

>> No.3632517

>>3631865
when is it happening?

>> No.3632552

kek at the people here who arenet already in on this

imagine the pink wojak scenes in 6 months from now from now when we're at 100x

>> No.3632556

>>3632517
O C T O B E R
1
7

>> No.3632581

>>3632552
we will see about that when the time comes

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>>3631733
No, that's me. Which none of you have explained so far, besides "read the whitepaper". I have, this is an unnecessary top layer to sling templates of smart contracts using ETH.

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3632645

>>3632607
My understanding is that large LINK holders act as nodes (oracles) who provide a decentralized, secure, and competitive source of information for the execution of smart contracts.

Is this right? Can anyone simplify or correct me? Are there any plans for Ethereum to make this redundant with coming updates?

>> No.3632663

>>3632645
This is literally what ETH already does.

>> No.3632677

>>3632663
Ethereum does not have access to Legacy Data (Information outside the blockchain). Chainlink provides that info.

>> No.3632686

>>3632645
>>3632663

tbf its not yet scaled for high speed data transfers.
plasma will change that though.

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3632691

>>3631853
>Still needs adoption to be successful though.
I'm sure none of these entities will help with that...

>> No.3632692

Are we starting the fud campaign again? But I'm done accumulating

>> No.3632706

>>3632677
This is what smart contracts can already do?

>> No.3632716

>>3632677
please elaborate on this "legacy data" that you speak of.

I would say this data if put on the internet can be used by ethereum already.

Another anon stated >>3631790
>You have to get the information into the blockchain somehow, and you have to do it in a way that everyone using the contract trusts. Chainlink focuses on solving that problem in a decentralized way.

This is a decent argument but imo this will be instantly solved when plasma is available, thus making chainlink obsolete.

>>3632691
Maybe its just me but I never heard of those names.

>> No.3632735

>>3632343
If the banks wanted to start using the blockchain they are presented with two options:

>upgrade their existing infrastructure and trust that all banks will upgrade quickly so that they can continue communicating effectively
or
>use chainlink to connect their existing structure with the blockchain
Put yourself in the shoes of banks, will you spend resources on finding solutions for many tech problems or use something that already has the thumbs up from SWIFT?

>> No.3632739

>>3632706
Can ETH smart contracts tell you who won the super bowl? No they can't. They can only tell you the value of another shitcoin so you can trade your shitcoin for that shitcoin. LINK tries to get information from the real world to the blockchain so that real business can take place.

>> No.3632740

>>3631888
Yes, but what about existing data and legacy systems?

How do I get data from the US gov, they aren't putting it on the block chain for me. Stock data, health data, all the fucking data in the world.

99.999999% of it is off chain, and currently only accessible by a centralized oracle, which is a point of failure and unacceptable for corporations. Decentralization is necessary

>> No.3632755

>>3632739
By packaging? What are the strengths, as a fellow bagholder

>> No.3632759

>>3632716
I understand plasma to be all about scale and the ability to process transactions quicker. Where does it indicate that it intends to create an decentralized oracle that can handle trustful transacts?

>> No.3632760

>>3632716
>Maybe its just me but I never heard of those names.
Simply epic.

>> No.3632762

>>3632716
Definitely just you

>> No.3632769
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3632769

>>3631737

Smart contracts cannot make API calls to anything outside of other contracts on the same blockchain. You are either a complete idiot or a lazy FUDder

>> No.3632771

>>3632759
You mean trustless Anon, ETH is already a validated database..

>> No.3632774

>>3632735
Listen Buddy, me and my buddies watched how you and your crew moved the price up and down on exchanges. The bidding price was 1154 sat range, and asking price was 1284 range, but you or members of your crew placed orders many times at 2220 range in attempt to pull up the price. We were laughing at the price manipulations. We are MBA students in one of the top universities in the UK. If the blockchain business is not regulated yet does not mean you will get away with crime. Fintech is our thing and we want efficient use of it and not lies. We have 16 firms in our list but Link was too absurd. If I were you I will be silenced to avoid drawing more attention to yourself.

>> No.3632780

>>3632759

Plasma has absolutely nothing to do with oracles. This person is trying to sound educated and instead sounds like they have fetal alcohol syndrome

>> No.3632790

>tfw your shitty pajeet larp fud thread turns into actual discussion

>> No.3632791

>>3631535
>he did nervously for the fifteenth time since the release

>> No.3632794

>>3632769
>What is Oraclize?

>> No.3632796

>>3632774

My father is the CEO of Nintendo and he will have you banned

>> No.3632801

>>3632774
Listen pal, I was lying so that silly biztards buy some link bags. Think of the hilarious threads after that

>> No.3632802

>>3632771
Yep....I certainly did.

>> No.3632818

>>3632790
Good job bringing out the real pajeets, OP.

>> No.3632821

>>3632794
Dumb mother fucker.

Oraclize = Centralized Oracles
ChainLink = Decentralized Oracles

Guess which one is better motherfucker?

>> No.3632824

>>3632794

A way to build systems off chain that make transactions on chain. Contracts can be READ from by oraclize but the contracts cannot request data from oracalize during a transaction or even a read.

If you actually think about how smart contracts and Ethereum works this will become immediately obvious since not every node may have access to their API, or the API may return different values at different times so nodes would calculate things differently. Its simply not possible.

>> No.3632847

Did we just turn a FUD thread into a Shill thread using technically sound information on why this thing is going to go right past the moon and enter orbit around Jupiter?

>> No.3632852

>>3632824
Maybe chainlink will be used anons.
I will agree I didnt research the coin properly.
Thanks for the discussion.

I will say that the amount of shilling it gets on biz makes me very suspicious.

Curious to see where it goes in the future.
Even if it is actually good tech, in this space it doesnt matter for the value of the coin.
Hype matters.

>> No.3632864

>>3632852
Thanks. One guy gets it. Logic will never bring you far in crypto. Marketing and Hype is what matters.

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3632865

>>3632847
Yes.

Easy to beat the FUDers into the ground.

>> No.3632877

>>3632774
>>3632774

>mba student at top University in Engeland
>can't write english
>...

>> No.3632882

>>3632852
>the amount of shilling it gets on biz makes me very suspicious
>Hype matters.
Okay then.

>> No.3632883

Fuck this thread has actually provided sound arguments as to why I should buy. I assume there's going to be a ton of shilling pre-SIBOS so we can all take profits and be cumfy wumfy.

Is /biz/ actually smart money for once?

>> No.3632901

>>3632882
shilling on biz is not what i mean by hype bro
I thought that was self evident

>> No.3632908

>>3632877
I already said goodbye but you brought me back with your comment to say what we know that I didn't want to say before to avoid panic that will make people lose money.


I'm not new to crypto at all but I don't trade them because of dubious dealings. But I watch them with great interest and some are very efficient but many are not. Good luck

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3632910

>>3632883

It depends entirely on what their team does in the coming months.

While everyone shits on them for being a 2 person dev team if you've ever worked as a programmer you'd know that is literally the ideal team size at their stage.

Once they have a working app and develop partnerships with banks that is the time to hire up.

If they can get some solid agreements with a couple institutions in a reasonable time frame and have no big snafus I can't think of a reason this won't reach XRP MCAP personally.

Whether XRP MCAP is reasonable is another matter entirely though.

>> No.3632916

>>3632883
See the thing about smart money is that you have to be smart enough to understand what it is you are investing in. Most of /biz/ has no fucking clue what an oracle is and no concept of how anything like Ethereum actually work. Most are here for those sweet gainz.

>> No.3632928

>>3632883
Shills to right of them,
Fuds to left of them,
Crypto in front of them
Worship'd & hype'd;
Fud'd at with fears and jeers,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of chain,
Into the wojack of Hell
Rode the /biz/hundred.


Seriously both sides are screaming pretty hard, I don't know what to feel.

>> No.3632932

>>3632824
I'm still not understanding why this isn't already what's happening using Oraclize on Etherium (thru Orcalize proofs). Perhaps I am a brainlet.

>> No.3632948

>>3632910
Agreed on the two devs issue. People complaining about it aren't in IT and have no exposure to how actual coding gets done. You have two very smart people with fintech background working their asses off and bouncing ideas off each other. There is no marketing because they aren't marketing guys. Fuck marketing a working product will sell itself and there will be plenty of time to hire marketing later when this thing is trading around 20X. The marketing will take it to 100X or more.

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3632955

In plain English, the goal of chainLink is make Solidity-like abilities for Ethereum?

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3632956

>>3632932

That was just an explanation of why Oracalize is not an API provider to smart contracts. Neither Oracalize or ChainLink are that because it is not possible.

As another poster noted the biggest single distinction between Oracalize and Chainlink is that one is centralized and the other is a decentralized system based on tokens.

Centralized systems are unacceptable to banks and DAPP makers as they can go down or be compromised.

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3632964

>>3632955

Solidity is a programming language for writing smart contracts on Ethereum so what you said makes no sense.

>> No.3632971

>>3632956
You've been extremely helpful. Is Etherium not already decentralized though?

>> No.3632987

>>3632971
Etherium isn't an oracle. A decentralized oracle is what chainlink does.

>> No.3632999

>>3632987
I can only handle such a high meme-to-thought ratio.

>> No.3633000

This is the worst fud thread for link to date. Shoulda got in on presale, you ain't taking my bags

>> No.3633002

>>3632955
oh yes

chainlink will enable very enabling applications for ethereum, oh yes indeed. Some say it will even enable things that some say it will.

this one time I got a noodle in my nostrils and I thought your post made sense for a split second but I was wrong

>> No.3633018

>>3632971
it is, but Vitalik stated that 3rd parties will build the best start ups off of his base layer. He isnt interested in oracles until he updates eth more

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3633023

>>3632971

Ethereum is decentralized but as noted it can't do something like query a bank for data when executing a contract function.

Instead a bank would need their system to trigger a function call which may in turn make other function calls which all have a deterministic outcome based on function input.

An example use case for Chainlink might be something like a bank wanting to sell when X reaches price Y. Chainlink oracles would be responsible for tracking the price (through whatever means) and reporting on it, and when the programmed condition hits they would try to reach consensus. If consensus reached a node would trigger the contract.

Also this is fun answering questions. Being serious on /biz/ is weird.

>> No.3633033

>>3633018
Right, and why should he be? Foundations are important. Not to be a shill, but I'm personally for ARKVM combined with their DPoS. Its got a nice directon.

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3633055

>>3633023

To be a little pedantic about it, on-chain oracles are a possibility, but for a limited subset of use cases and with the caveat of requiring significant time to reach consensus.

Also no one has ever made one. Augur is trying to currently and other companies have tried and given up saying they will use the oracles provided by other companies (So probably Chainlink and Augur)

>> No.3633081

>>3633023
>>3633055
I've been fishing for answers all day. I'll have to review and do more research once I get off of the farm. Cheers, anon. :D

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>>3632964
>>3633002

is Solidity an API? Yes.
is chainLink built on top of Ethereum? Yes.
is it intending to let, for example, SWIFT use Ethereum for transaction? Yes.

is it not then an application interface like Solidity? Yes it is.

Or am I wrong?

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3633097

>>3633081

No problem anon! This was a great FUD thread.

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3633102

>>3631535
>scam
Buddy, they've been working on the project longer than ETH has.

Which makes sense, because bringing smart contracts to the real world is a lot more complicated than introducing them to crypto.

http://hudsonjameson.com/2017-08-06-advising-status-smartcontract/

In essence, LINK will be to mainstream finance/business what ETH was to crypto.

>> No.3633110

>>3633096
is shit a substance? Yes
is the internet made of substances? Yes
is your post made of internets? Yes

congrats, your post is shit

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3633114

>>3633096

>is Solidity an API? Yes.

No. It is a language for writing code that is compiled into ABI contracts and uploaded to Ethereum.

> is chainLink built on top of Ethereum? Yes.
No. It is off chain.

> is it intending to let, for example, SWIFT use Ethereum for transaction? Yes.
Correct. This is not like Solidity.

>> No.3633121

>>3631612
>brings smart contracts to the mainstream
>working with SWIFT
>to be showcased to the world's financial elite at SIBOS
>at it since before ETH began
>featured in WEF (!!!) documentation

One of the most promising tokens ever, being shilled among top bankers, and you think 70 million MC is "overvalued"?

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3633148

>>3633114
>No. It is a language for writing code that is compiled into ABI contracts and uploaded to Ethereum.

Irrelevant semantics but that's what an API is.

>off chain
So chainlink's a separate blockchain then?

>> No.3633152

>>3631634
Need what? The token?

The token is what feeds the node network, which is needed for trustworthy input of external data.

External data is literally anything that happens in the real world that relates to the contract terms.
Like house fire damage assessment in case of a home insurance smart contract.
Or interest rate aggregates from X amount of banks.

Without the tokens, no network nodes.
Without network nodes, the data input will be centralized and therefore inherently less reliable.

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>>3633148

> Irrelevant semantics but that's what an API is.

You would describe Javascript as an API? I'm not going to argue that with you but I'll tell you that's extremely odd and I've never heard anyone do so in more than a decade of programming as a profession.

> So chainlink's a separate blockchain then?

I'm not sure what their backing decentralized node system will be based on, but it isn't Ethereum.

>> No.3633171

>>3633166
To your second point, this would then require GAS & LINK would it not?

>> No.3633173

>>3631774
Bet your face is red right now, huh?

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>>3633171

Yes that is true for applications using Ethereum.

Keep in mind while LINK is an ERC20 token they are building oracle systems for Bitcoin and other block chains as well.

>> No.3633201

so is Chainlink just a fancy Ethereum?

>> No.3633238

>>3632735
If banks make transactions with eth through chainlink, do they have to exchange the eth to chainlink first? If not what drives up the value of the link tokens?????????

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>>3633238

They have to pay LINK to node operators for working on whatever oracle they have set up to trigger an Ethereum transaction when appropriate.

They pay ETH to Ethereum node operators to process the transaction.

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3633273

this is it, its fucking happening

$20 a LINK boyos

>> No.3633278

>>3633152
Why isn't this secure network its own thing? Why are the tokens sold? They already exist whether they are sold or not, right?

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>>3633278

Without the token node operators have no incentive to run the nodes.

You may be asking why the don't just get paid in ETH. This is for 2 reasons:

1: The company needs initial capital so they need a token to do an ICO. Being realistic here.

2: Using ETH means that if a malicious oracle node operator went rogue and attacked the system for gain they would succeed with no real downside.

If they are paid in LINK and nodes are weighed by LINK staked however and the Chainlink system is considered compromised their LINK will become worthless. Because nodes with more LINK are weighed higher for an attack to succeed the malicious party would need to have a very large amount of LINK, so the attack would naturally make them lose more than gain.

>> No.3633317

>>3633201
If you ask Vitalik what a "smart contract" is, he'll use real-world examples like the vending machine analogy.

In fact, "smart contracts" were devised for real-world application. https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Smart_contract
There was just never really a support system as secure and decentralized as the blockchain.

So when it comes to smart contracts at least, LINK is indeed a massively important expansion on ETH.
In fact, it was always meant to be.

LINK is literally Nick Szabo's vision.

But keep in mind that LINK can be tied to more than just ETH.

>> No.3633349

>>3633278
1) You need something to incentivise the nodes.

2) The tokens are integral to the node network, in the same kind of way airplane tickets are integral to an airline's internal network.

3) The tokens mean the system can remain separate from any given blockchain, and thus be used with any blockchain you want.
For instance: SWIFT would be using LINK on Hyperledger. Not ETH.

4) The tokens keep a large part of LINK's functionality off-chain, thus unburdening the underlying blockchain.

There's probably more.

Just know that this is probably one of THE most legit use cases for crypto tokens, period.

>> No.3633363

schlechte Neuigkeiten Creo.. beim kacken is mir eingefallen: Sell the rumor buy the news... Sibos und Fintec sind beide schon priced in... IOC und LINK sollten beide vor den Konferenzen gedumpt werden... sorry

>> No.3633433

I tried to buy in Crowdsale but missed it.
Bought last night.
Did I get the double FOMO?

>> No.3633437

>>3633363
>Sibos und Fintec sind beide schon priced in..
Falsch du Kanake.

You cannot price in new investors.

>> No.3633479

>>3633433
I bought once I saw the WEF validated their project. Its literally the ONLY reason I bought and i will probably buy more because of it.

>> No.3633761

>>3632716
>never heard of those names

holy shit dude ahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhhahhahha

You are soo lucky we even opt to correspond with you bro you are retarded as fuck.

>> No.3634294

>>3632877
>>3633761
One of the best threads in a while. Comfier than ever

>> No.3634487

>>3632607
>No, that's me. Which none of you have explained so far, besides "read the whitepaper".
Please kill yourself. You would rather believe what anons tell you instead of reading the answers to your questions from the horses mouth.

>> No.3634579

>>3632755
Nobody is bagholding link

>> No.3634602

>>3631535
just sold my kid

>> No.3634669

>>3631753
What are some coins you see value in then?