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30423315 No.30423315 [Reply] [Original]

hey fucking retards

it's nevada land baron here again

you see those big numbers they want you to buy a house for

don't buy that shit

buy a van a tent, and some solar panels and buy 40 acres in nevada

build your own shit faggot, stop crying

>> No.30423417

>>30423315
my nevadas doin sum

>> No.30423463

this is a business decision and will save you hundreds of thousands of dollars

but you can choose to be a pussy and that's fine, you will acquire currency more slowly

>> No.30423469
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30423469

HEY GUYS THE SCHIZO IS BACK!

>> No.30423538

>>30423469
moron

>> No.30423548

>>30423315
are you that disgusting non-white mutt from the /brit/ threads. Fuck off.

>> No.30423604

>>30423538
Do you own any land yet buddy?

>> No.30423650

>>30423315
Aye aye capt. moving to Nevada after June

>> No.30423684

>>30423548
idiot

more white than you r1 haplogroup shitskin

>> No.30423689

>120° during the day, -4° at night

Sounds great I love never being comfortable.

>> No.30423738

>>30423604
I will probably by the end of the year, we'll see how things work out

>> No.30423749

>>30423689
That’s what a percentage of the solar panel’s electricity will be used for

>> No.30423781

If I can make some money I will buy land

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30423806

>>30423689
pussy

but also knows nothing about nevada climate

enjoy being poor

>> No.30423849

>>30423315
Nevada is comfy. Love those miles of open desert. What's your opinion of Elko?

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30423874

>>30423738
>last thread
>”I’m going to be a land owner by the end of the month you faggots”
>still a landlet
Thank you for making me day

>> No.30423896 [DELETED] 

fuckers sup. how much is the annual income from rewards issued by the project? at least about

>> No.30423922

>>30423874
I think it's wise to wait for a crash if that's coming after this cycle

but also, suck me off faggot

>> No.30423927

Would rather own a deanobox down in Croydon than have to live in a stinky hot desert all my life.

>> No.30423956

>>30423315
lol i'll bite, how do you get drinking water to your land in the middle of nowhere?

>> No.30423983

>>30423849
I don't want to buy like 2 acres on the outskirts of elko

I want to be like miles from the next person

I really want like 10 acres or more that's like 20 minutes outside of town

but if you want to live next to an decent sized town for really fucking cheap then that's cool

>> No.30424005

>>30423315
Cobb houses are pretty easy to make. Don't know if they're appropriate for desert conditions.

>> No.30424043

>>30423922
The way you’re progressing you’ll have to suck me off just to live in a duplex

What makes you think people will be selling the land you’re looking for in a real estate crash?
The cheapies are going to be houses, actual land is going to go up

>> No.30424104

>>30423956
you build a rainroof in the case that you have like 10 acres

so to compensate for the fact that your state gets let's say 1/3 what most states get

you just build a roof a few feet off the ground about 3 times the size of an average roof

since you have 10 acres that's just a tiny part of your land and not an issue

or you can have a well dug with all the money you save on property costs this should be easy as fuck if you have like 100k or 200k

>> No.30424177

>>30424043
I've only been focusing on money for like 6 months and lived like a bum before that

I'm progressing extremely fast even though I missed most of this bullrun

that's ok with me

>> No.30424237

>>30424104
>rain roof
im not american but i assumed nevada was really dry and didnt have much rain. how much water could you collect in a year from a rainroof? would it be enough for you to drink, bathe and cook from?

>> No.30424306

>>30424237
look up how much rain certain parts of nevada get

you just build rainwater collection bigger to compensate for that

northern nevada isn't that bad

yea, if you build the roof the corresponding amount of size bigger to compensate for the lack of rain then that should be good

>> No.30424649

>nevada
enjoy getting off'd by the inevitable yellowstone erruption

>> No.30424693

>>30424306
ok....how do you deal with tresspassers? what happens if a group of niggers start setting up shop on your land?

>> No.30424910

>>30424693
you tell them to git

then you start blasting

niggers don't have the sentience to even find my property based on what I'm going to buy

their car will run out of gas, and their glocks will lack the range, and they won't get past the fence

>> No.30424967

>>30424649
implying that won't kill 99 percent of the country

>> No.30425016

>>30423315
Based.
Id do this if the wife and kid didnt expect civilization and good schools.

>> No.30425059

>>30425016
>he is allowing globohomo to teach his kids

>> No.30425092

>>30423315
>$50k for one acre of water rights
Enjoy your sand bro

>> No.30425114

>>30424967
move to europe?
(no supervolcano, cheaper land)

>> No.30425215

>>30425092
no

there's a 29k for 161 acres on landwatch

cuck

there are also 10k for 40 acres cuck

>> No.30425270

>>30425114
I might do iceland or greenland

but that's in the future when I have a boat and a plane

alaska would be easier for me in that case

>> No.30425488

>>30425270
based, ignore the city retards calling you a schizo
owning a fuck ton of land is one of the smartest thing a man can do

>> No.30425536

>>30425488
the "desert" states are so cheap

such a great opportunity honestly

>> No.30425596

>>30423315
>no legal access to that property

Enjoy having any built or at a minimum having raw building materials delivered out there.

>>30423874
oh man it's this OP again. I remember telling them about how to structure land purchases under a LLC in another thread to prevent them from getting sued by ambulance chasers.

OP YOU STILL DO NOT OWN LAND? WHY DO YOU KEEP MAKING THESE THREADS MAN? STOP.

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>>30423315
I'm down my nigga. When are we building the collective nevada underground crypto silver biz community? No jews allowed of course. Bobo posters get sent out to exile in the desert.

>> No.30425629

>>30423315
>unimproved, barren wasteland
have fun paying taxes on something that has no purpose. it'll never have electricity or water. you can't even do the "rent it to hunters in hunting season" meme since it's a fucking wasteland. mineral rights would be your only hope.

>> No.30425659

>>30425596
because retards are crying on the frontpage about house prices

but you can fix that by buying cheap land

hey shut the fuck up honestly

no need to disrespect me, I'll get there probably by the end of the year

>> No.30425708

>>30425629
you're so wrong and misinformed cuck

property taxes out there are like 35 a year before you build on it

and you can get plenty of electricity from the sun

and water from rainwater and wells

fuck off retard

>> No.30425720

Based OP making trannies seethe

>> No.30425776

Oi Nedada Chad find me a similar deal in Ausland yeah?

>> No.30425804

>>30425776
I read a bit about that

the entire interior of your country is essentially unused

elon had the right idea out there

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30425825

Also no biz mods allowed. Apparently they don't like racism anymore.

>> No.30425836

Fuck yeah OP, just grabbed a few acres in a drainage basin from Yucca Mountain, cheapest land I've seen in my life, not sure why. The local wildlife is kinda weird though, but corn grows fast as fuck, and it's HUGE.

>> No.30425848

>>30425659
>hey fucking retards

>it's nevada land baron here again

>you see those big numbers they want you to buy a house for

>don't buy that shit

.buy a van a tent, and some solar panels and buy 40 acres in nevada

>build your own shit faggot, stop crying

>”gosh why are you disrespecting me”
You own 0.0 acres of that land
You are the baron of nothing and you have no claim to any of the titles you think you’re owned

>> No.30425872

>>30425708
>solar power
hope you're adapted to 120 degrees in the daytime because there's no fucking chance you'll have enough "solar panels" to reliably run air conditioning in the summer.

>> No.30425900

>>30423315
>after years of smart investing and saving I can finally afford to move to a barren fucking wasteland where I'll spend the rest of my life alone
unironically kys OP

>> No.30425951

>>30425825
Why would you even consider allowing mods
Even if they’re racist they’re still kike tranny jannies
And they delete my threads and ban me for putting nigger in the OP
Fuck em

>> No.30425956

>>30425872
another fucking moron that doesn't know the nevada climate

and another fucking pussy thinking I can't deal with a bit of hot weather

fuck out of my thread pussy

>> No.30426017

>>30425215
That's land only, no water rights. Nevada has some of the worst water rights in the country

>> No.30426019

>>30425900
nah I've only really been investing seriously for about a year

the truth is, I want to get as far away from other morons as possible

and to build my own farm and live off the land

so that's actually a benefit for me, and not for a cuck like you

>> No.30426070

>>30426017
1800 gallons a day should be enough

I don't see how that's not good enough

>> No.30426084

>>30425629
>mineral rights would be your only hope.
Most land purchases do not include mineral rights on the Warranty Deed(s). Additionally most states do not grant mineral rights to land owners, and retain ownership of all subsurface + minerals on your land. You're better off digging illegally and not telling anyone.

>>30425708
Dude, we went over this before. I'm not trying to demoralize you but you realize the moment you start doing anything with your property that it's tax assessment is going to go up? You have to file permits each time you build on your property. Otherwise the local government is going to shut down your operation(s).

>> No.30426133

>>30426019
I know what it's like out there, my dad lives in Mesquite and my brother lives in Scenic, AZ. Listen man it may sound romantic now, but once you get out there you'll realize life in the middle of the desert isn't all it's cracked up to be.
>build my own farm and live off the land
Nothing grows out there because it's a DESERT.

>> No.30426136

>>30426084
cool story

from my understanding nevada is quite lax on things of this nature

>> No.30426182

anon what do you think about land near single springs/placerville in northern california? planning on doing same thing soon

>> No.30426200

>>30426133
wrong

I see farms on the map

and my plan is not in the middle of death valley

my plan is either northern nevada or on the east or west border

>> No.30426208

>>30426019
>build my own farm and live off the land
What experience do you have with farming?
Enjoy getting to have to set up the massive irrigation infrastructure to support it out there

>> No.30426217

>>30425900
>his idea of making it is suffering the elements on 40 acres of unimproved wasteland
society is leaving you, not the other way around. i might have said differently if you had bought arable land, but you're too fucking stupid to even do that.

>> No.30426247

>>30426182
I wouldn't buy in commiefornia

it's a shithole even though the land is beautiful

>> No.30426295

>>30426200
>thinks Mesquite is in Death Valley
dude how are you planning to move out there when you can't even get the geography right?

>> No.30426312

>>30426217
>i might have said differently if you had bought arable land
this.

>> No.30426316

>>30426208
yea I will enjoy it faggot

that's the point

a bit of work for a lifetime of reward

and it isn't that expensive

>> No.30426354

Fellow "schizo" here, I also plan on going off grid within the next few years.
Truth be told I cannot imagine why you would choose Nevada though.
Hunting would be harder, farming harder, and the population isn't low enough to warrant going out in the desert.
You could go to Montana or Idaho and get less population and better land, land you could easily farm and hunt on.
Idaho, Montana, Tennessee, Arkansas, North Carolina are all on my radar.
Not too interested in desert living.

>> No.30426382

>>30426295
I don't have to know where mesquite is

I've done enough research that I don't need to know the exact patch of land you were shit out on

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30426426

>>30426200
i googled your coordinates. it's in nye county. you are dumber than a day old nigger.

>> No.30426476

>>30426354
most of nevada is very remote

a lot of blm land

montana and idaho are more expensive

you get better solar in nevada, a bit worse for water but still can be compensated for

>> No.30426521

>>30426354
Anon, as compared to this guy you are not a schizo, you are a a person with a very reasonable desire

OP is delusional and abrasive and refuses to listen despite how obvious his retardation is to everyone else

>> No.30426529

>>30426426
those aren't my coordinates, and that isn't the exact place I plan on buying

you dumbass nigger

seriously

the jpg says bunker

so that's like a shtf mountainside bunker for the lolz

seriously faggot chill, this isn't a competition you citycuck moron

>> No.30426558

Also ignore the demoralization shills.
There are a ton of demoralization bots meant to convince you that life in the city is better than goingoff grid, so that you are more easily enslaved.

>> No.30426639

>>30426354
Too many whites in all of those states, which means that the local governments that control your off the grid land are also the same whites. The reason why you're trying to "go off grid" is because the current system you live in absolute garbage. The irony is that system was created by and is still ran by whites. Manifest destiny was a mistake.

I would rather live in a southwestern state where the local governments are ran by small families (hispanics/native Americans off reservation) who do not pollute systems, towns, cities and the environment with unrestrained avarice. The Eurocentric mindset is a plague to the planet and must be extinguished.

>> No.30426642

>>30426200
>I see farms on the map
Has it occurred to you that these farms are in very specific locations for a reason?

https://agri.nv.gov/Administration/Administration/Agriculture_in_Nevada/
>Despite Nevada's arid climate, excellent crops are produced where land can be irrigated.

You'd need to not only find somewhere that can be irrigated, but actually do the irrigation yourself, which is virtually impossible as a one-man operation.

>> No.30426638

>>30426529
>citycuck moron
i grew up on 10 acres in the middle of nowhere, my neighbors were dairy farmers who owned 100+ acres. you're a dumb schizo retard nigger about to waste a LOT of money and you won't get any of it back when you buckle and try to sell for a loss.

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>>30426638
He’s going to ask you post proof now btw, get your social security and land deed ready

>> No.30426740

>>30426642
disagree

nah I think I'll do what I want

irrigation is just a system of moving water

any well in nevada you can draw 1800 gallons per day

I think I can figure it out fuckface

>> No.30426789

>>30426638
>>30426701
you morons think I care about your lifestory

I didn't read

and I don't give a fuck what you think

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>>30426740
>he thinks irrigation is as simple as digging a big hole and a trench
>I'll figure it out

Good luck retard, you're gonna need it.

>> No.30426857

>>30426832
yea

it is

you fucking retard

>> No.30426971

>>30426789
You can read?
>>30426740
>I think I can figure it out fuckface
He says, about to buy land that will be impossible to draw water to

>> No.30427011

>>30426971
the dumbass nigger brigade is here

maybe they'll leave soon

>> No.30427027

>>30426740
>finding ground water in the middle of the desert
Good luck

>> No.30427028

>>30426857
what's the cost of drilling a water well?
hint: it's a LOT more than you think.

>> No.30427079

I've already described the fact that wells in nevada can draw 1800 gallons a day

and the rainroof technique

but niggers are too stupid to read that

they have nothing better to do in their shit lives

>> No.30427081

Why would you buy global warming threatened land with zero infrastructure? Upstate Michigan is more beautiful, cheaper, and global warming safe. It is projected to have the best climate in the country in the next 40 years.

>> No.30427128

>>30427028
about 20k

this dumb nigger thinks I can't google

>> No.30427134

>>30427081
>It is projected to have the best climate in the country in the next 40 years.
Source? I've been trying so hard to find climate projections for the US

>> No.30427181

>>30427081
nope

>> No.30427194

>>30427081
Why did bill gates buy a bunch of land in Nevada if that was the case? He is the biggest proponent of the globalhomo "global warming"agenda.

>> No.30427214

>>30426476
Maybe more expensive, but it's just a fee to have trees, animals, and quality land.
And it's not THAT much. It you're planning on getting 6 figures at least, you could easily get good land there.
Even more so in Tennessee and Arkansas, but they are a bit more populous.
In an ideal situation I can just live on a tiny cabin near national forest land.

>> No.30427242

either OP is trolling or about to make the worst decision of their life. Be sure to keep us posted once you get out there OP, it will be fun to watch you slowly die of exposure, dehydration and hunger

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>>30427194
>Why did bill gates buy a bunch of land in Nevada if that was the case?
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>> No.30427290

>>30427194
Nevada is going to be where the smart city/concentration camps are for those who don't vaccinate .
A small oasis in the middle of the desert. Anyone who tries to escape will die of thirst or heat stroke.

>> No.30427310

>>30427242
cuck

get out of my thread

you're a moron

>> No.30427324

>>30427242
he writes like a prototypical 80-90 IQ meth addicted schizo retard. i think this is just a "vape shards in an RV 24/7" sanctuary.

>> No.30427364

>>30427324
kek

>> No.30427369

>>30427281
3 states bordering nevada with similar climate

muh muh not nevada though

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30427401

>>30423749
*blocks your path*

>> No.30427404

>>30427281
Disregard it was Arizona not Nevada. I knew it was one of those areas.. Yeah OP you're fucked buddy.

>>30427290
I cannot wait to form a tribe of desert nomads.

>> No.30427412

>>30427324
got nothing better to do cuck

post on topic

I've tested my iq at 132

have you

>> No.30427484

>>30427412
>testing IQ
Fucking lol, you took an autism test and passed with flying colors mam

>> No.30427486

>>30427369
I've lived in Nevada for 20 years. Unless you bought near Tahoe/Reno (and you didn't), the only thing similar to California you're getting is Death Valley.

>> No.30427516

>>30427412
lmao yeah you passed the "buy dozens of acres of un-arable land in the desert" test with flying colors

>> No.30427531

>>30423469
anime avatar fags deserve the gas

>> No.30427546

>>30427486
no you haven't

and I haven't bought yet

>> No.30427547

>>30427128
Actually, I think google is the only thing you’re capable of. And you aren’t even that good at it, considering you’re struggling to find where the hell you’re even buying your land on the map

>> No.30427615

a bunch of faggots with no lives have took over the thread

I think it's time to abort

I won't be reading or responding to any more faggots posting off topic

enjoy your cuckshed in the city for 3k a month

>> No.30427617

>>30427531
>posting on a fucking anime board
Try harder to look like an oldfag, it’s going great

>> No.30427667

>>30424649
>>30424967
>>30425114
another yellowstone will 100% take out most of civilization as we know it, don't even worry about what happens to the US. in fact canada is going to get turbo fucked more than anyone

>> No.30427689

>>30427615
>begins to realize he may be retarded and retreats to google harder
Kek, a joy as always landless land baron schizo
I’ll be waiting for the next one. Maybe you’ll learn how google maps works then

>> No.30427776

>>30427689
I already know I'm right

I'm just waiting for someone to post on topic

and not a faggot moron like you

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>>30426639
>Too eurocentric

This. Why would you want to live near normalfag whites? Only schizo tier whites and the occasional beaner/navajo. Just look at places like minnesota. You don't want those twitter facebook robots, you'll have south africa on a long enough timeline. Only rootin' tootin' whites that will shoot the shit with you literally and figuratively. You'd be more comfy in a breaking bad camper in the shitsticks then some millions dollar cuckshed in the suburbs. What's the elites gonna do? Send in some blackhawks to spook you? They'll be too busy playing robocop in cuckville virginia or softfag massachusetts.

>> No.30427954

>>30427617
retard faggot, gas yourself

>> No.30427955

Anon have you been to this part of Nevada? I occasionally drive down there from Idaho to go camping and it's pretty barren. There's a reason that you can buy 60 acres of land there for $10k. It's pretty undesirable.

>> No.30428050

>>30423315
>>30426136
Absolutely based. Idk about nevada but in a lot of states you can build 200 square foot structures with no permits. There's a lot of ways to skin it but my experience is that you can fly under the radar in a lot of super rural counties if you wanted too. And even if you go and get permits and do everything above board, the taxes aren't going to be that high in such a rural location. Don't let these idiots keep you from going after your dreams. Setting up a homestead is a lot of work but completely doable on the cheap. But why nevada? There's plenty of cheap land in greener states. Arkansas comes to mind, as does eastern oregon and washington. West virginia might work too. I get that the desert is beautiful but it does present some logistical issues when it comes to homesteading. For instance, having timber on the land is huge when it comes to building and firewood. You save so much money building with the resources on your land. Greener places mean water is much easier to get too.

>> No.30428060

>>30427516
fucking kek

>> No.30428103

>>30427955
nah but I plan on doing it end of this year probably

I've been to arizona

I honestly don't care if it's barren, that's kind of the point

getting a lot of land cheap

>> No.30428182

>>30427955
>UHHHH ACTUALLY YOU DUMB FAGGOT IM GOING TO BUY $10K WORTH OF 55 GALLON BARRELS AND WEIGH THEM DOWN AND JUST LET THEM SIT IN THE DESERT AND COLLECT THE AMPLE NEVEADA RAINFULL AND THEN IM GOING TO USE THOSE BARRELS OF WATER TO WATER MY 50 ACRES OF CROPS AND I'M GOING TO BE INDEPENDENT AND OFF THE GRID YOU DUMB NIGGER BUT ALSO IM GOING TO DRILL A WELL I HEARD ITS ONLY LIKE $20K AND THE ELECTRICITY THAT WILL BE 100% SOLAR IT WILL NEVER FALTER AND WILL BE MORE THAN ENOUGH TO POWER EVERYTHING IN MY HOME WITH 100% RELIABILITY

>> No.30428205

Nevada actually has many gems waiting to be snatched up in terms of land...I have lived in nevada nearly my whole life, the climate isnt for everyone...most people that I have known that have moved here and then left complain of the weather...its not that its bad, its just something to get used to, the seasons are very different here..although this is for the vegas area and changes greatly when you head north, which is what this anon seems to be talking about.

>> No.30428261

>>30428182
wow

you're so much cooler for making this post

surely I can't buy backup panels and batteries and wires incase anything goes wrong

cool guy here

>> No.30428379

>>30428261
>$100k of auxiliary equipment for sustenance living on a 50 acre hellscape in one of the least inhabitable regions of the country

you are one retarded nigger.

>> No.30428391

nevada land is fucking useless

>> No.30428409

>>30428205
indeed

>> No.30428472

>>30428379
just make up numbers like the fucking moron you are

even if the number is actually like 2k

let's pretend it's 100k because I'm an asshole on an imageboard

coolguy posting

>> No.30428482

>>30428205
I have been planning on doing exactly what op is talking about...been figuring things out for a few years now and the pandemic opened up a lot of opportunity for me to be able to actually make this a reality...With the desert heat, and crazy amount of sun...if you have knowledge (that you have to get from working outside here) of how the seasons and weather works, you can create tropical ecosystems...Personally I am looking for land that has a valley in it, I plan on creating water reservoirs (also look into the passive water generators that work with underground tunnels) to feed the area, and use permaculture over a period of many many years to transform the area into a paradise that is brimming with life..give me a few minutes and I will look for a few youtube videos that people have posted of their tropical backyards in las vegas.

>> No.30428605

>>30428379
have you looked at the price of the kind of equipment you need to move and shape the earth? Its surprisingly affordable. I was truly shocked when I started looking into it....dont get me wrong some of it is pricey, but not all.

>> No.30428635

>>30428472
you'll probably be spending at least $25k on solar panels alone to reliably power your single wide trailer, dumbass.

>> No.30428646

>>30423315
>seethes real hard on anyone not interested

Makes me think you're the owner of all this land and are trying sell it to anons here via shilling that its a good buy in the middle of a desert

>> No.30428713

>>30428103
I would highly recommend taking a trip there before you decide to purchase land. There a shit loads of hot springs in Northern Nevada, especially around Denio and Jarbidge. I'd recommend searching around there. I know you don't want to hear it, but the land around Elko is barren and useless and if you're planning to live on it full time then you're going to want a reliable source of water.

>> No.30428715

>>30428635
lol tesla panels with a battery arent even this much

>> No.30428739

>>30428635
nope

fuck out of my thread bitch

>> No.30428791

>>30423315
you build your own shit and stop projecting on to us you insecure troglodyte.

>> No.30428800

>>30428646
hey bitch

you don't have to post here

you're fucking stupid and I don't want you here

get the fuck out

>> No.30428866

>>30428791
I'll do what I want bitch

buy that 900k 1 bedroom

>> No.30429207
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>>30427081
Warming is a lie. The climate is shifting into a mini ice age (Eddy Minimum), bringing extreme temps, both hot and cold, along with catastrophic natural disasters, drought, famine. This is why you see record summer temps along with snow in the Sahara. There are few places worse than Northern America and Canada to be for the deadly, century-long cold front settling in, which is precisely why they want you moving there.

When this happened 400 years ago (Maunder Min) 1/3 the earth's pop died from related causes.
https://wiki.iceagefarmer.com/wiki/History:_Extreme_Weather_during_the_Maunder_Minimum

>> No.30429260

this went sideways very quickly

>> No.30429358

>>30429260
fuck out bitch

>> No.30429379

>>30428646
the irony is that OP is a landlet and doesn't own any sort of real estate at all

>> No.30429536

>>30427134
See
>>30429207
Listen to Former NASA scientist John Casey explain the truth about climate change here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miIEAOAOgyI

>> No.30429542

Hey OP have you ever been to northern NV?

>> No.30429707

>>30429379
wow so ironic

I just made a thread about cheap land but stupid faggots will still complain about a 700k house

I posted a relevant thread and you're a shitposting moron

>> No.30429755

>>30423315
thanks for the coords dude gonna go shit on your lawn

>> No.30429759

>>30429542
nope but I've been to arizona

google maps and pictures of the area have informed me of the general climate and soil quality

nice try faggot

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30429964

>>30427134
See
>>30429207 (You)
Listen to Former NASA scientist John Casey explain the truth about climate change here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miIEAOAOgyI [Embed]

Pic related is what's in store for the next 70 or so years.

>> No.30430054

>>30429964
don't feel like it

thanks though

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>>30423315
Look i admire your dedication to living in a high altitude desert environment but whats wrong with all the cheap as hell land up in the north? 40 acres for less than 1kan acre is common. Theres enough trees to build any kind of shelter you want and burn for heat. Besides the less daylight you can heat a greenhouse with wood burners and grow most of the year. It gets cold in the desert too so you would also need a greenhouse to keep producing. Water in the forests is also plentiful and there is not the hassle of driving 60 min to haul in water. Please explain to me how the high desert has such an advantage over the northern forests.

>> No.30430080

>>30429964
I'm watching the vid now thanks anons for this. Oddly enough, the moment I started to watch this video the sun immediately went away and it began hailing in my neighborhood (Pacific Northwest).. Something tells me I should get the fuck out of here as soon as possible.

>> No.30430309

>>30430076
it's a lot cheaper to get started in the desert, and or desert like climates

land is really cheap, like 250 per acre

it has some advantages but also disadvantages

>> No.30430688

>>30430309
Advantage: its cheap
Disadvantage: its shit

There's a reason its cheap anon

>> No.30430767

>>30423315
>build your own shit faggot
yeah let me just buy an overpriced van and overpriced lumber.

>> No.30430793

>>30430688
not that shit to where you can't make it workable and thrive though

the advantage free electricity

disadvantage less water until you get rainwater collection and a well setup

things you can do once you get going

>> No.30430844

>>30430767
coping live in the van or buy a tent faggot

>> No.30430868

why would you buy land that nobody wants and is worth shit

>> No.30430896

>>30423315
Living out there I can pretty much say goodbye to pussy

>> No.30430968

>>30430868
because it actually is worth a lot and is way cheaper than the bullshit that the market is trying to get you to buy

and if you're too stupid to realize that get the fuck out of my thread right now you fucking moron

>> No.30431019

>>30430896
nah

girls like a guy who takes initiative and builds something great

cope harder

you'll also save a fuckton of money

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30431151

>>30430968
sounds like an amazing investment, go for it

>> No.30431270

>>30431151
it is but you're a fucking moron

where else are you going to get 40 acres for 10k

you fucking aren't going to get that anywhere

and if you're too lazy to collect rainwater and build a well

you're fucking stupid

now get the fuck out of my thread you fucking idiot

>> No.30431292

>>30423315
hey anon I'm a fellow schizoid and have too been considering things. Thinking of starting with a beat up wagon and a 6 shooter for protection. I do worry a lot about water.

>> No.30431301

>>30431019
>girls like a guy who takes initiative and builds something great
Yeah I know. I own land and property in California. I'm the guy you want to be. kek

>> No.30431397

Congrats OP you've cracked the secret to buying shitty land. Just build solar panels and dig a well, yep no one has ever thought of that. You've really cornered the nevada land market here, you nigger

>> No.30431403

>>30431301
nah you're a cuck going to be taxed into the ground by commie morons

you're a fucking idiot

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30431413

>>30423315
>>30423548
>>30423684
Moonie?

>> No.30431496

>>30431397
not so shitty then huh

I guess you just proved yourself wrong

if it's cheaper than every single other option

and the so called weakness is so easily fixed

it's actually the best land in reality for the price

funny how I made this thread on the business and finance board

moron

>> No.30431509

>>30430968
>because it actually is worth a lot
You might be able to sell the land for what you initially paid for it after investing tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars to make it the baseline of survivable that you’re hoping for kek

>> No.30431566

>>30423315
i can pull this off but the wifu would not approve of this mang, maybe if i was a loner just tryuing to make money nonstop

>> No.30431565

>>30431496
>if it's cheaper than every single other option
>and the so called weakness is so easily fixed
>it's actually the best land in reality for the price
Are you at all familiar with the term “no such thing as a cheap boat”?

>> No.30431588

>>30431509
nope

you're fucking stupid

I thought I told your idiot fucking moron ass to get the fuck out of my thread

you fucking ingrate

>> No.30431671

>>30431496
Really incredible that no one else has had this insight. I mean there are literal billionaires and actual land barons in this country that have been doing this for decades, how are they missing out on this? Could it be that it's actually not that simple? Nah that's niggerthink

>> No.30431687

>>30431565
I'm familiar with the fact you're a stupid negro and I would greatly appreciate you leaving

>> No.30431724

>>30431588
lives in his moms basement and figures out the only way to owen something is to buy the shittiest and unwanted land in america lmao fuckig loser

>> No.30431775

>>30431671
they just don't want to save money as bad as me

they buy stupid shit just like you

I'm sure there are quite a few very wealthy people living in the desert that aren't on globohomo that you're sure don't exist

>> No.30431790

>>30431413
>>30431687
I am whiter than you
>>30431588
How much do you think you would need to invest into upkeep on the land, after your initial purchase?
Genuine question

>> No.30431858

>>30431724
shitty according to you

according to me the best property for the price that is possible

but you're a stupid nigger and I don't like you

>> No.30431997

>>30431403
One of my properties alone increased in value by 140k since I bought it 15 months ago. Taxes suck but if my assets are going to do that then I'll manage.
Not even sure why you are so defensive as I never said it you had an all out bad idea. I do think it is a poor idea that won't go anywhere though and you'll get stuck with it and no pussy. If you disagree then man up and say why without lashing out like a teenager.

>> No.30432009

>>30431790
where's the dna test cuck

to make it completely self sufficient

probably like 50k on a 10k for 40 acres piece of land in some decent northern middle land in nevada

you build the rainwater collection, you get some basic greenhouses setup, and maybe you can fit a well in for 50k

not more than 100k definitely which I see as quite a good deal for such a big piece of land

>> No.30432138

>>30423983
I think it's an awesome idea. I always wanted to do something similar in what you're going to do. Also, I dig the Nevada desert vibe too. Was in Arizona and it's a nice vibe there too, but for some reason, the whole Mojave desert sort of clicks more for me.

How about outskirts of Pahrump?

>> No.30432168

>>30431997
I mean look at your fucking state dude

it's a fucking invasion, not a great place to live

the taxes and everything are going up at a breakneck pace, you're going to be forced out at some point

>> No.30432275

>>30432138
if I remember right that's close to vegas

so that land is really overpriced and is the bad desert land everyone in this thread seemed to think I was referring to

>> No.30432716

>>30428472
Listen fuckface. Buying cheap land and then investing multiple 10k at least if not multiple 100k's to make it usable is not economical. At that point you can buy more expensive land where these investments are not needed and still save money.

>> No.30432949

>>30432716
wrong fuckface

you'd spend way more trying to do this shit anywhere else for the amount of acreage you get in the desert states

seriously get the fuck out if you don't know shit fuck off

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>>30430793
The well has to be dug so deep it costs 15k. That kinda offsets the price advantage.

>> No.30434035

>>30432949
All I can see is a fucking dreamer that doesn't want to hear advice. Nothing wrong with having plans and dreams, but you have to base them in reality. On average one person needs about 1 acre of fertile farm land to be self suffuicient. Let's say an average growing season is 30 weeks. Since it's a desert there will be high heat during the day which will lower yield by reducing photosynthetic activity and raise water needs to a multiple (optimum range is 18-24° C). On average you will need about 25 liters of water per square meter (1 acre is approx. 4400 square meters) per week. this makes about 1650 cubic meter of water per growing season per acre. Consider this a low estimate since it's a FUCKING DESERT and especially on hotter days the plants will use exorbitant amounts of water (at about 35° C plants stop photosynthesizing and only evaporate water to cool).

Now for the amount of water. Let's assume >>30426426 is correct. 6 inches of rain is 15.24 cm of rain. That's 150 l/square meter/year. If you wanted to collect the water you'd have to surfacecollect it from about 3!!! acres and that's for an average year. The storage tank would be quite pricey.

>tldr: you're a fucking idiot.
I won't go on

>> No.30434077

>>30432949
>you'd spend way more trying to do this shit anywhere else for the amount of acreage you get in the desert states
>acreage
>in desert states
Lol every goddam time
seriously get the fuck out if you don't know shit fuck off
You have literally never had experience purchasing land, working in farming, or in general homesteading
Your google searches won’t make you an expert man

>> No.30434111

>>30432949
>>30434035
Add to that: Desert soil is absolute shit and absolutely devoid of life. Have fun improving it over 10-20 years unless you want to import truckloads of compost.

>> No.30434189

>>30434035
>>30434111
A well made point about the numbers and logistics problems in his plans
Shame you’re just gonna get called a shithead nigger for it

>> No.30434253

>>30423315
Why are you such a faggot for Nevada land. Nevada is shit tier. I agree getting some land is a good idea but a lot of shit vs just what you need of good/better stuff is a better idea no?

>> No.30434514

>>30426136
so you call your self a land baron and have been saving and planning to purchase and make a plot of land your own in Nevada, and instead of enlightening this >>30426084 fag about the mineral rights and the permits to build and how it will be assessed for taxes, you just say cool story and say what you think, instead of what the actual regs are. you're not larping are you? or are you just planning on going with the flow, cause that's far out man. you're going to have a miserable death!

>> No.30434599

cry for me fags

I've already done my research so your cries about how it isn't the most cost efficient is literally just wrong

I've already done the research

>> No.30434678

>>30434253
they also don't tax income there

a combination of factors

for a first time land buyer make it extremely attractive

>> No.30434700

>>30434599
So then share it with us, because when we ask you just say
>probably
And throw up some bullshit numbers you think sound right because you googled it twice

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>>30423315
>land baron.

>Doesn't even own mineral rights.


thats a big yikes from me, dawg.

>> No.30434767

>>30434035
it isn't all garbage desert though

do more research on northern and middle nevada before you go talking shit

and I assume you know how temperatures and light can be controlled to keep plants safe

stop dooming faggot

>> No.30434769

>>30423315
We've already been through this anon. There is point to owning a huge chunk of fucking desert. I agree with you 100%, buy land. Buy land you can actually produce sustenance on. Not sand and scrub brush.

>> No.30434768

>>30434253
>I agree getting some land is a good idea but a lot of shit vs just what you need of good/better stuff is a better idea no?
Literal argument that half the people in these threads make every goddam time
Kek

>> No.30434845

>>30434702
there are quite a few places like that on landwatch

you have been looking at nevada property right faggot

>> No.30434862

>>30434514
He doesn't actually own land.

>> No.30434884

>>30434514
OP will not listen to reason. I am a land owner in that area and already know how things work. If you search the archive, you'll find that OP has made similar threads about larping about owning land in Nevada.. For some reason he gets triggered each time someone creates a thread about housing prices. One day OP might actually afford the land and then you'll see a thread in said future where OP posts about how big of a mistake he has made before he dies.

At least he'll go down in /biz history for dying like a moron in a first world country..

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30435002

Did the exact thing as OP said but with land in Siberia. Building your own shit with zero regulatory micromanagement is extremely satisfying. Becoming self-sufficient, or at least living inna self-sufficient bartering community is easier than you think.

>> No.30435125

>>30423315
I would rather buy land in idaho or maine desu, but the non-desert parts of Nevada are nice

>> No.30435128

>>30423315
I'm too scared to ask if you're literally my father.

Thoughts on making a giant solar farm for ravencoin mining?

>> No.30435200

>>30435002
based. Too bad its Siberia..

>> No.30435256

>he writes like a prototypical 80-90 IQ meth addicted schizo retard. i think this is just a "vape shards in an RV 24/7" sanctuary.
>he writes like a prototypical 80-90 IQ meth addicted schizo retard. i think this is just a "vape shards in an RV 24/7" sanctuary.>he writes like a prototypical 80-90 IQ meth addicted schizo retard. i think this is just a "vape shards in an RV 24/7" sanctuary.>he writes like a prototypical 80-90 IQ meth addicted schizo retard. i think this is just a "vape shards in an RV 24/7" sanctuary.

>> No.30435271

>>30434845
lmao cope.

>> No.30435303

>>30434884
>One day OP might actually afford the land and then you'll see a thread in said future
God I hope and pray for this, I am unironically excited for this in 3/4 years time kek

>> No.30435671

>>30435303
given I'm an ex-sadist, it would be a comfy thread/threads watching him be in misery

>> No.30435877

more retards flooding my threads

seriously why are you here

fuck off pea brain, don't you have 3k rent to pay

>> No.30435975

>>30423315
The soil is shit though.

>> No.30436047

>>30434767
>and I assume you know how temperatures and light can be controlled to keep plants safe
you assume correctly. you will need even more water for that (water evaporation cooling) and a fucking greenhouse. 1 acre greenhouse. we're talking about 1 human bean here.
>stop dooming
my previous calculations were OPTIMISTIC. for example i said fertile soil. desert soil ain't fertile. to work the land you will need machines or horses/camels (these also need food, more than 1 acre each) now just try to extrapolate the COST of what i calculated and the amount of BACKBREAKING WORK you will have to put in just to fucking feed yourself. Also reconsider this >>30432716

>> No.30436072

>>30435975
can be fixed

>> No.30436099

>>30435002
how the fuck do you have internet in an off grid Siberian village?

>> No.30436134

>>30436047
nah you're dooming faggot

disagree

>> No.30436138

>>30435877
please stop, you're wasting time! you need to move to Nevada asap. pick up your shit, and go, no goodbyes, just go!

>> No.30436156

>>30436072
Compost? Or shipping good shit in?

>> No.30436212

>>30435877
I’ll leave when you answer >>30434700
kek

>> No.30436213

>>30436134
Be my guest Narcissus.

>> No.30436214

>>30436156
yea

like the way people farm

just do it there

>> No.30436265

>>30436212
I already have in multiple ways

if you have to actually read my threads or go through the archives go ahead

>> No.30436358

>>30436213
first off

I don't need to be 100 percent self sufficient on the first day

second off, you don't 100 percent need a greenhouse for all of your plants

just some that might be temperature sensitive, 3rd, I don't believe you need a full acre to feed 1 person, but even if you do, previous points apply

basically, you're just dooming imo

>> No.30436443

>>30436265
but why are you wasting your time conversing with retards, a thing you don't like, instead of doing the thing that you think will make you happy? it's time to step out the front door!

>> No.30436479

>>30423315
>80 posts by this ID
Jesus fucking schizophrenic christ

>> No.30436509

>>30436358
>I don't believe you need a full acre to feed 1 person
once again, you don't know. you are going to starve to death

>> No.30436552

>>30436509
well, I just know that's bullshit so that's enough said on that

>> No.30436575

>>30436358
You were rambling about cost savings. You are trying to homestead on fucking Mars. I'm absolutely not saying it's not possible. It's just not economical.

>> No.30436603

>>30436479
yea, like making a thread and actually posting on topic

radical shit

>> No.30436631

>>30436479
Imagine him raping that F5 button.

>> No.30436657

>>30436443
how bout you step out of my thread retard

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>>30436099
Unlimited 4G from MTS for ~$6 per month.
Also have the option for a 500 Mbps fiber line when I eventually settle full time. Russians have their priorities straight, sometimes.

>> No.30436730

>>30436631
imagine you crying in a thread you don't like

>> No.30436742

>>30436603
Go outside and stop posting for a while.
I can't imagine what compels someone to sit in a 4chan thread for 3 hours constantly responding to shit. You need help.

>> No.30436777

>>30436552
and how do you know? are you a botanist, a nutritionist, or you have spent about 30 mins researching on google and think you know? and why didn't you say I know, I don't need 1 acre of land to feed myself, instead of, I think

>> No.30436803

>>30436575
nope I'm pretty sure it's just northeastern nevada and not mars

>> No.30436870

>>30436742
don't feel like it

>> No.30436913

>>30436657
why are you conversing with retards? isn't that the whole reason you are moving to the middle of Nevada, to get away from retards and be happy? you could start now, by stop talking to retards on the internet.

>> No.30436983

Las Vegas and Nevada are degenerate wouldn't invest my life there

>> No.30437010

>>30436870
well I hope you feel like being outside in the middle of Nevada. you might want to get in some practice before you make the big leap

>> No.30437040

>>30436913
yea I could

but I'm saving up money to do that

and soon I will not be doing it

>> No.30437053

>>30436913
>>30436213
introverted narcissist and he won't stop until we recognize his genius. I'd say we let him run his circles alone since he knows best.

>> No.30437080

>>30436727
a literal minecraft house

>> No.30437165

>>30437053
I mean it's literally all for the sake of saving money

which it will do for whoever wants to buy property

it's really the cheapest option and an optimal solution for most people

>> No.30437167

>>30437053
if everyone is on board to start ignoring him, I'm game.

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>88pbytID
>Spacing

>> No.30437302

>>30437167
cuck

>> No.30437374

>>30437284
le reddit meme

been here since 2010 cuck

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30437511

>>30437374
prove it

>> No.30437589

Ausfag here. Can someone redpill me on Alaska? Place looks like literal woodland paradise.

>> No.30437635

>>30437511
i seriously hope you aren't asking me to prove I've been here since 2010 on an anonymous imageboard site

>> No.30437685

>>30437589
it's cold as fuck

do you want it to be less cold as fuck

then you can buy on that lower piece of land down the side of canada

yea it's cold as fuck and isn't cheap really

>> No.30437726

>>30437589
What's the coldest you've ever been? Now imagine being 10 times colder. It's paradise on earth for 3 months a year though. You're right about that.

>> No.30437925

this was saged fellas

>> No.30437985

>>30436727
You leave the south facing attic open? Is that so FSB can get easy access? Seriously WTF?

>> No.30438099

OP, why be retarded when you can buy something like this instead?
https://www.landwatch.com/shannon-county-missouri-farms-and-ranches-for-sale/pid/409572546

Arable land, water, wildlife, wood, state forest on three sides. ez-pz. Don't die in the desert.

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30438205

>>30437589
watch dick prennokee alone in the wilderness for the ultimate alaska redpill

>> No.30438324

>>30438099
>https://www.landwatch.com/shannon-county-missouri-farms-and-ranches-for-sale/pid/409572546
hey bro

that's 7 times the price for the same acreage you can get in nevada

you're going to want a well either way

and solar is better in nevada

so why would I put so much fucking money into it when I could save 60k

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>>30437985
>>30437080
lol its not my house. Its built by a polak down the street, just showing the fiber lines. On the left >>30435002 is mine;
this is the attic.

>> No.30438517

https://www.landwatch.com/elko-county-nevada-recreational-property-for-sale/pid/409272472

12k for 40 acres

so what would posses me to buy 40 acres for 76k

do I fucking hate money

no I actually love money

either way you want a well on your property

>> No.30438692

>>30438099
his reply should tell you exactly why this thread has been saged

>> No.30438762

>>30433878
Holy shit that looks so comfy.

>> No.30438826

>>30438762

>> No.30438898

Yeah, lemme buy land where the US government did experiments & left deformed people to live there

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>>30437635
Obvious newfag is obvious

>> No.30438987

>>30438898
you're thinking of southern nevada

not northern nevada

>> No.30439007

>94pbtid
>>buy my dirt guys

>> No.30439036

>>30438974
le funny meme

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>>30437511
bitch, i've been here since 2007 and

still

double

space

and

always

will.

quit being a triggered ballerina.

>> No.30439090

>>30439007
imagine someone on landwatch actually shilling their shit here

that would be funny

but I'm just someone who sees value in the land where a sea of retards would rather be a cuck in a city

>> No.30439201

>>30423315
>food
>water
>money
>water

Plenty of these in Nevada

>> No.30439274

>>30423315
this is fucking retarded. Buy land in the Ozarks of Missouri for $2k/acre and actually have something livable with wildlife, crops, and ponds. This barren wasteland mad max shit is the dumbest idea I’ve heard, and you’ll go insane in 5 years spending your days staring into an infinite brown

>> No.30439334

>>30439201

>> No.30439341

>>30424104
>dig a well
Only if you have a fucking aquifer under your feet and it’s doesn’t happen to be salty as fuck fossil water. I really fucking hate retards that recommend buying cheap property with no idea how you actually use land

>> No.30439361

>>30423469
>metalfag gun collector "the end is nigh" shoonoa poster calling anyone else a schizo
Schizo

>> No.30439388

>>30439274
The Ozarks is unironically filled with glowniggers. Something about being one of the best places to hide in America due to access to water and inland caves or some shit. DMV spooks go there to retire.

>> No.30439393

>>30423315
I've actually been looking into getting some land myself, OP.
Search "Kentucky Bend" to see what I'm talking about. 17.5 square miles occupied by 12 families. I wanna buy them out.

>> No.30439532

>>30439341
>>30439361
>>30439388
>>30439393

>> No.30440052

>>30424104
Reported you to the feds for collecting rain water. That water already belongs to the United States government!

>> No.30440123

>>30438987

I DONT WANNA GET RAPED BY MUTANTS ANON

>> No.30440236

>>30440052
>>30440123

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30440337

>>30423315
>dude just live in the desert
What am I, a jew? The white man's place is the forests and mountains

>> No.30440890

>>30440337