Moved here

[Anonymous No.30394317]

So what's the deal with crypto taxes here?
crypto-to-crypto isn't taxable right?
So when I check out into my bank account I pay 30% of the profits and that's it?

[Anonymous No.30394557]

>>30394317
>not moving to switzerland instead
you wouldnt even have to worry about those 30% fren
other than that, yes, to my knowledge there is no crypto to crypto tax.

[Anonymous No.30394687]

>>30394557
I came from switzerland unironically.
Switzerland is boring as hell, plus I cashed out quite a bit so can live comfortably for 5-10 years on what I cashed out.
Then after those 5 or 10 I'll see what I'll do with my crypto stash.

[Anonymous No.30394693]

>>30394317
I hope so
I saw some anon say there was crypto to crypto tax but last I checked, there wasn't
You may want to declare your KYC exchange accounts in your tax form though. You don't need to declare the value.
They are rolling out a new european-wide tax system that is connecting services like paypal, airbnb, etc automatically to some kind of database. They made it clear that last year was the last year that you didn't have to declare all your accounts in those kinds of sites, and for the next ones, they were going to check.
Not sure if they will though. French are not very good with technology.

[Anonymous No.30394720]

>>30394687
>Switzerland is boring as hell
I live in Geneva, I get the best of both world, swiss quality of life, french culture.

[Anonymous No.30394727]

No crypto-to-crypto tax you'll also find in Poland afaik

[Anonymous No.30394739]

$MCM Mochimo for the legends

[Anonymous No.30394827]

>>30394317
>crypto-to-crypto isn't taxable right?
No it isn't.
>So when I check out into my bank account I pay 30% of the profits and that's it?
Yes... for now.

[Anonymous No.30394838]

Also, avoid cuckbase at all costs. They force you to declare your french tax ID.

[Anonymous No.30394868]

>>30394317
basically yes, its considered like income (and taxed as) if you do it regularly or over a specific value.

[Anonymous No.30394911]

>>30394693
>You may want to declare your KYC exchange accounts in your tax form though
It's not "you may". It's "you must"

[Anonymous No.30395089]

>>30394868
>its considered like income (and taxed as)
Fuck that.
30% is more than enough.

[Anonymous No.30395160]

>>30394317

Yes it's called the flat tax.
Also exchanges will rat you out so fill your taxes anon.
No taxes under $300 a year though

Fuck my greedy country

[Anonymous No.30395271]

>>30395160
>Also exchanges will rat you out so fill your taxes anon.
Rat me out when?
Will they give them my trades or just say I have an account?
Off course if I take profit and make euro wires I will have to pay on that.

[Anonymous No.30395314]

>>30395160
I'm ok with the 30% tax.
I'm not ok with that if you trade to often and they just say, well now it looks like you're a bit of a pro so now it's 50%.
I guess yield farming falls under the 50%?

[Anonymous No.30395370]

>>30395314
To me yield farming is crypto to crypto.
I exchange tokens for liquidity pool tokens.

[Anonymous No.30395465]

>>30394317
isn't there the poorly defined case where if you trade too much, you're considered a pro or commercial trader, and you fall under a different regime?

[Anonymous No.30395529]

>>30395465
Yes that's in every euro country.
Belgium, France, Switzerland.
It's absolutely nauseating.

[Anonymous No.30395640]

>>30395314

They will rat you through something called tracfin.
It's 30% no matter what. Crypto to crypto is ok bit you must report every crypto to fiat transactions.
Also NFTs can't be taxed for now.

[Anonymous No.30395799]

>>30395640
I think I'll take all my activity to DEXes.

[Anonymous No.30396102]

>>30394720
>french culture
>best

ok

[Anonymous No.30396179]

>>30394317
Yes, I didn't really inform myself about it since I don't want to finance the walfare of communists retards and low iq, but it seems to only be 30% when cash out, and gold/ silver also seems to follow the rules

[Anonymous No.30396413]

>>30395314
Why are you ok with the 30% tax? Why should crypto be taxed at all? It's internet money, no regulations, no safety nets. All risk for the holders, why should the gov take his cut? I get rugpulled, are they gonna track down the niggers that scammed me? No, so I don't see why I should pay taxes on my gains

[Anonymous No.30396481]

30% is theft considering how risky crypto is in the first place
My advice would be to cash out somewhere else

[Anonymous No.30396502]

>>30396413
i would be fine paying a small amount of tax in white ethnostates, anywhere else though and its not moral

[Anonymous No.30396700]

>>30396502
Why? Are you fine with being robbed as long as the thief is white?
I'm not even an anti-tax libertarian but taxing crypto is indeed theft

[Anonymous No.30396793]

>>30396700
i am happy to move somewhere and support white ethnostates, that simple

[Anonymous No.30396809]

>>30394687
seriously
from switzerland => france???
why?
what do you like about french culture? i was thinking of moving also, mostly because of the nature and food

[Anonymous No.30396856]

>>30394317
>Moved here
Oh God... *facepalm*
>crypto-to-crypto isn't taxable right?
Yes, it is not yet taxable.
>So when I check out into my bank account I pay 30% of the profits and that's it?
I guess so.

[Anonymous No.30396939]

I have heard you can only cash out 50% of your income to avoid tax in switzerland with crypto ?
True or false ?

[Anonymous No.30396954]

>>30396102
>french culture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4uOM7s38XA

[Anonymous No.30396975]

>>30396481
This.
Ahem... portugal ... ahem

[Anonymous No.30396988]

> french culture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzYnJO6RAnA

[Anonymous No.30397053]

>>30396954
Bruno and Didier are the Frenchest
You know nothing

[Anonymous No.30397134]

>>30396954
>>30396988
Yeah, basically a jewish "elite" leading a horde of niggers and bougnoules.

[Anonymous No.30397213]

>>30397134
>(((Casterman)))

[Anonymous No.30397318]

>french culture

https://youtu.be/HbXj2OGXFjI?t=37

[Anonymous No.30397353]

>>30397134
eh i was kinda joking, rural france is quite nice and french people typically are quite cool, more sociable and still rather intelligent
loads of great music, great food
their leaders are shit is all

but yeah, good deal of jewish influence there

[Anonymous No.30397369]

>>30394317
Welcome to the 2nd Israel.

[Anonymous No.30397384]

>>30394317
France is a shithole,
i'm french btw

[Anonymous No.30397410]

>>30397134
burgers here have absolutely no idea how much legal trouble you'll get into if you write some nose-skeptic remark in France. You'll have all the media and politicians vilifying you.

[Anonymous No.30397425]

>>30394317
Why the fuck would you move here ?
Unless you were in an even bigger shihole like an anglo country or something like that.

[Anonymous No.30397438]

The Netherlands only has a 1.9% wealth tax on crypto lol

[Anonymous No.30397484]

>>30397134
ptdrrr jsuis mort
but unfortunately, it can't be more accurate than this, fuck this sandnigger filled country

[Anonymous No.30397497]

but did you buyed LTO Network/LTO, Audius/Audio, and Akropolis/Akro?

[Anonymous No.30397520]

>>30397410
>>30397369
>>30397353
And if anyone is wondering, yes everything is true.

[Anonymous No.30397544]

>>30397384
my family used to go there each summer in gîtes, never had a bad experience. on the contrary. since i was 18 i wanted to move there

it's just the large cities that degenerate, too many migrants, lots of mohammeds
it's not just in your place anyways
whole of EU is being fucked and nobody appears to care meaningfully

[Anonymous No.30397552]

>>30397438
losing 2% every year of something you have to sell to pay taxes on is unacceptable

[Anonymous No.30397578]

>>30394317
pourquoi tu es venu ici?

[Anonymous No.30397582]

>>30397484
you're lucky 4chan servers are not in france, you would be in jail/fined for that remark.

[Anonymous No.30397587]

>>30397438
how so? you pay 5% tax on crypto right? and this is an additional wealth tax? or did i misunderstand?

[Anonymous No.30397652]

>>30397520
american jews convinced the usa to free europe and they won. so that's what you get as a loser

[Anonymous No.30398024]

>>30394720
>french
>culture
pick one

[Anonymous No.30398096]

>>30394720
"french culture" I didn't get that in Geneva personally (I'm French/Swiss), people are too nice and the architecture sucks

[Anonymous No.30398097]

thugs vs gilets jaunes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sp-Gf-5ohU

[Anonymous No.30398164]

>>30398024
>see pic related
And yes, he really said that.

[Anonymous No.30398178]

>>30397438
>French bank account
>Live in the Netherlands because I'm studying

Should I make a NL bank account to withdraw my crypto then ?

[Anonymous No.30398427]

>>30394317
>30%
Jesus
It's 23% in spain and 4% in Portugal. Take your car and move.

[Anonymous No.30398524]

>>30398097
>thugs
>(ou comme dirait la TV française: un jeune)
You can say sandniggers here.

It's sad that they only demolished his car and not his dirty bougnoule face.

[Anonymous No.30398833]

>>30398178

It's called fraud
Évasion fiscale is no joke

[Anonymous No.30398857]

>>30398427
Thinking of 'cashing' out in DAI and PAXGOLD when the time arises. This would not be taxable events.
But sure they're going to change the laws sooner rather than later. But till then...

[Anonymous No.30398903]

>>30398833
But he lives in the netherlands.
He's not domiciled in France.

[Anonymous No.30398916]

>>30398833
merde

[Anonymous No.30398978]

>>30394317
Not really, you'd have to be sued by someone or an NGO and they only sue wealthy people otherwise it's not worth the trouble

[Anonymous No.30399055]

>>30398978
I'm wealthy.

[Anonymous No.30399061]

>>30394317
>Moved here
You still have to pay the IRS if you hold a US passport idiot ask borris johnson
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-30932891

[Anonymous No.30399092]

>>30399055
Fuck meant for:
>>30397582

[Anonymous No.30399095]

>>30399061
London Mayor Boris Johnson has settled a US tax bill he had previously described as "absolutely outrageous".

Mr Johnson, who has dual nationality, faced a demand from the US authorities to pay capital gains tax on profit from the sale of his house in North London.

American law requires all citizens to pay US taxes even if they live abroad.

[Anonymous No.30399165]

>>30399092
>>30399095
However aside form what you owe the IRS unless you want to wind up being arrested the next time you enter a US embassy or territory you also owe the french government If you are a resident of France then the applicable basic tax rate is 36.2%.

[Anonymous No.30399214]

In short burgers. Stay in fucking America and don;t come here we 'europoors' are full, OP reported to French tax authorities and the irs

[Anonymous No.30399266]

>>30398978
What do you mean you have to be sued?
So if I dont pay taxes i need to get sued first?
Makes no sense.

Anyway so gameplan is as follows.
Main holdings: steady as she goes, cash out to DAI, USDC and Paxgold if needed.
Trading: on dexes or a non-KYC binance account that I'll fund with monero.
Tell the tax man about all my accounts except the non-KYC binance one.
If I need to cash anything out do it via the ones that I told about and pay 30% goodboy tax.

This way I'm doing nothing illegal except omitting 1 account where I technically do nothing taxable (except they could try and brand me as a professional or something)

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.30399287]

>>30394317
Tax is liable the minute you sell an asset whether you sell it for pebbles, sea shells, barter it for a cow or euros

[Anonymous No.30399307]

Cous rend l'argent

[Anonymous No.30399311]

>>30399095
Does that go for Puerto Ricans?

[Anonymous No.30399341]

>>30399214
I'm not even a burger you moron.

[Anonymous No.30399373]

>>30399266
Nononono I'm talking about hate speech laws, I quoted the wrong post

[Anonymous No.30399377]

>>30399266
My thoughts are that you are a shitbag american who has come to europe to avoid tax full of neo colonial delusions about yourself Any interest earned on a capital sum is taxable
https://www.oecd.org/tax/tax-policy/taxation-household-savings-france.pdf

[Anonymous No.30399408]

>>30399341
What shithole did you crawl out of then? Let me guess a fucking bong 'expat'

[Anonymous No.30399594]

Pays de dégénérés bien-pensants socialistes noyés dans la peur, la recherche du confort et de la sécurité

[Anonymous No.30399929]

>>30399266
Or should I just start a company and shift my entire crypto portfolio to my company?

https://www.esilv.fr/en/cryptocurrencies-and-taxes-in-france-all-there-is-to-know/

>For companies, profits from cryptocurrencies are liable to tax under the general corporation tax regime for profits and losses. Currently, corporate income tax is levied at the rate of 33.33% . The standard rate is to be gradually reduced to 25% in 2022.

[Anonymous No.30400200]

>>30397520
Is there any proof to the bottom four on that list?

[DRAGON No.30400302]

>>30396102
>>30398024

Huuuuuge faggots right there
You will never be white

[Anonymous No.30400449]

>>30396809
nature? wrong country faggot. The food sucks too unless you like eating tiny portions of "art". kys and fuck france

[Anonymous No.30400677]

>>30400200
>Insulting the president is an offense punishable by a fine of 45,000 euros thanks to article 26 of the law of July 29, 1881 relating to freedom of the press.

[Anonymous No.30400748]

>>30400200
>The fact, during a demonstration organized or regulated by the public authorities, to publicly insult the national anthem or the tricolor flag is punished with 7,500 euros of fine.
>Article 433-5-1 - Penal code

[Anonymous No.30400833]

Open a PEA for european stocks and ETFs faggot. Literally tax free swinging.

You only pay 17% when you take out some money after 5 years. So the sooner you open it, the better.

[Anonymous No.30401028]

>>30399266
sounds fine
i wouldn't overthink it unless you're cashing out 6 figures per year
but honestly, why bother cashing out. it's so much work
and having a good life in france is cheap
i unironically live on RSA (welfare) despite having high 7 figures portfolio

[Anonymous No.30401192]

>>30400200
Regarding the law on the disclosure of the identity of undercover police officers, I am too lazy to search for the exact law but I am sure that it is indeed prohibited, punishable by a fine and possibly a prison sentence.

[Anonymous No.30402306]

>>30401028
Holy based.
I get so much stress about this shit.
It's almost not worth it.

[Anonymous No.30402482]

>>30395271
As long as you cash out, you're registered.

[Anonymous No.30402533]

>>30394720
Frog culture is trash and you will never be Swiss, Muhammad.

[Anonymous No.30402647]

>>30401028
lol
this is what amerimutts don't understand when they say europoor
i can live a good life on wellfare in belgium
your money works for you, then you get an additional salary like that and finally you get a pension even if you didn't work

[Anonymous No.30402656]

>>30401028
un jean-RSA ayaaaaaa

>>30402533
as someone who has both nationalities french culture and patrimoine are way more based but popular culture sucks

[Anonymous No.30402692]

>>30400449
can't tell if you're serious
their produce is of higher quality and i'm used to live in a country with much, much higher population density

[Anonymous No.30402738]

France is only nice if you live in the country. The further you get from big and even middle cities, the better it gets. If you live in rural france, like in the middle of nowhere, it can even be great, with a very nice nature, and nice weather. Not too cold, not too hot. In the cities, you have stupid police, stupid laws (unlimited forced quarantine and curfew), stupid government who want to constantly enslave the people, the diversity. Pollution. Dirtiness. Noise.

>>30394720
Geneva is a shithole. Drug dealers, diversity, everywhere.
t. lived one year in Geneva.

Honestly, some middle size french cities like Bordeaux or Metz are even better than Geneva. Even less insecurity than in Geneva.

[Anonymous No.30402894]

>>30398178
Take a shower first and shave your face pls.

[Anonymous No.30402926]

>>30394720
Hi Zurich fag here what do you think about buying a property in Gland since Geneva is only 20 minutes away by train. I want to rent that shit out since real estate isn't as expensive as here i wanted to give it a shot.

[Anonymous No.30403072]

>>30402482
I don't intend to not report what I cash out.
I find 30% fair.
Would be ok with a 25-30% flat tax on everything, TVA, income, capital gains and nothing else.

[Anonymous No.30403172]

>>30394317
>So when I check out into my bank account I pay 30% of the profits and that's it?
you move to portugal

[Anonymous No.30403241]

>>30401028
>i unironically live on RSA (welfare) despite having high 7 figures portfolio
Basé et probablement rouge pilulé

[Anonymous No.30403353]

>33% tax
FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF IM NOT PAYING AAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.30403550]

>>30398427
>4% in Portugal
i thought it was zero?

[Anonymous No.30403684]

>>30401028
v based (same but 6fig)

[Anonymous No.30403808]

>>30394317
In France you should worry more about the rampaging african niggers mugging you than crypto taxes.

[Anonymous No.30403965]

>>30394317
>30% of the profits and that's it?
30%? That's like the tax tier for minimum wage

[Anonymous No.30404071]

>>30403965
yeah, I mean we need to feed africa somehow, anon.

[Anonymous No.30405165]

>>30402926
You jew. Go back to Israel.

[Anonymous No.30405463]

>>30396102
you will never be a woman

[Anonymous No.30406494]

And what about NFTs? Are they taxed in France like other cryptos?

[Anonymous No.30407596]

>>30406494
>Are they taxed in France like other cryptos?
Apparently yes, even a little more than cryptos.
36,2%*

https://www.orwl.fr/blog/articles/de-quoi-les-non-fungible-tokens-nfts-sont-ils-le-nom/

[Anonymous No.30407794]

>>30394317
It's over Gilles!

[Anonymous No.30407875]

>>30401028
Teach me your ways senpai.
Where do you live, and do you declare anything you cash out?