EIP-1559

[Anonymous No.30348922]

Out of my way niggers!!!

[Anonymous No.30348951]

i dont get it .... its not even close to ATH

[Anonymous No.30348983]

>>30348922
>>30348951
Gas fees will not be fixed by this EIP. The Chad play is all in BNB and CAKE

[Anonymous No.30348987]

>>30348922
Yep, you have until July until we see 2017 btc levels of price increases

[Anonymous No.30348991]

>>30348951
>i dont get it
You never do.

[Anonymous No.30348995]

>>30348951
It's decoupling from BTC

[Anonymous No.30349022]

>>30348983
Enjoy getting rekt anon

[Anonymous No.30349036]

>>30348995
oh i did notice that btc down 1.5% and ETH up almost 5% , ALL other ETH killers BTFO

[Anonymous No.30349038]

>>30348951

The upgrade coming in July

[Anonymous No.30349095]

>>30348995
This guy gets it

[Anonymous No.30349141]

>>30349036
>>30348995
I actually buy eth just to flip shitcoins whereas I've never bought btc for anything useful. The decoupling is inevitable. Same for xmr

[Anonymous No.30349169]

>>30348983
Its ironic that they are called "GAS fees" because it doesnt fucking matter what price its at people will still be forced to use it and consume, Vitalik is a GENASS

[Anonymous No.30349255]

>>30348983
thanks just bought another BCH

[Anonymous No.30350091]

This is why im all in ETH. Im done chasing shitcoins for now.

[Anonymous No.30351091]

>>30349169
isnt their cardano and other eth killers tho, bnb, dot. whatever? People dont have to use eth do they?

[Anonymous No.30351486]

>>30348922
begin decoupling

[Anonymous No.30351867]

This is the beginning of the flippening.

ETH is now deflationary. 12% of all ETH is locked up in staking and defi projects. Scaling solutions are here this month. All proof of work coins will be shunned due to environmental concerns by next year.

ETH is about to become so scarce and incredibly valuable. $10k+ eth this year will be a reality.

[Anonymous No.30351958]

>>30348983
Lets laugh at this nigger who thinks eth will be replaced by a decentalized eth copy.

Inhales .... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Anonymous No.30351995]

Don't expect ETH to pump because of EIP-1559. It's priced in already. It would dump as fuck if it's rejected though so that's something.

[Anonymous No.30352036]

>>30351995
shut up retard never bet against skellyman

[Anonymous No.30352047]

>>30351958
>decentalized eth copy.

Centralized in CCP headquarter in Beijing of course

[Anonymous No.30352073]

>>30351995
Just like the halving was priced in

[Anonymous No.30352098]

1(ONE) ETH

ngmi

[Anonymous No.30352101]

>>30351995
It's only priced in for people who are keeping up technical developments, which is less than 1% of crypto traders.

[Anonymous No.30352107]

ETH and LTC are the big brain plays right now

[Anonymous No.30352108]

>>30351958
>>30348983
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.30352760]

The tiger
He destroyed his cage
Yes
YES
The tiger is out

[Anonymous No.30352811]

THANK YOU BASED VITALIK!

[Anonymous No.30353304]

Lol dumping

[Anonymous No.30353762]

its gonna pump so hard this month

[Anonymous No.30354278]

>>30348922
I need 8-10k Ether to make it, quit my job and finally live good. What are my chances in this run lads. Next run? I don't know. Eth is 90% of my networth

[Anonymous No.30354353]

>>30354278
How does 1,8k sound?

[Anonymous No.30354727]

>>30354278
chances this run: 60%
chances next run: 95%
chances ether price by 2030 is >100k: 99.8%

[Anonymous No.30354836]

im holding 1 eth atm, will that get me a lambo by the end of this year ?

[Anonymous No.30354936]

>>30354727
comfy

[Anonymous No.30355086]

>eth is dead
>bnb going to $400

[Anonymous No.30355232]

>>30348995
Yeah but the second btc takes any sort of dump that exceeds 2% then say bye bye to that decoupling. It'll crater as it always does. Hopefully btc can remain stable.

[Anonymous No.30355523]

I have noticed gas fees have been cheaper and transactions faster, is that just because we're crabbing?

[Anonymous No.30355606]

kys ethcuck

[Anonymous No.30355640]

>>30350091
Chase me instead, im no coin, but im shit :)

[Anonymous No.30355866]

>>30355606
>Hurrrrr durrrr drrrrr
Does not realize half his trash portfolio is coins that requires the ETH network to run

[Anonymous No.30355928]

>>30348983
BASED

[Anonymous No.30356314]

>>30348995
This.

Haters will cry themselves to sleep soon.

Vitalik
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.30356342]

>>30348922
>EFFERIUM

[Anonymous No.30356434]

Even EIP-1488 won't fix the GQ

[Anonymous No.30356774]

>>30348922
>>30348987
>>30348991
>>30348995
>>30349022
>>30349036
>>30349038
>>30349095
>>30349141
>>30350091
>>30351867
>>30351958
>>30352047
>>30352107
>>30352108
>>30352760
>>30352811
>>30353762
>>30354278
>>30354727
>>30355866
>>30356314

BNB already killed this overpriced russian shitcoin and DOT will put the final nail in its coffin in summer

The jew skelly and his miner friends will be convicted as international criminals for gas fee fraud

[Anonymous No.30357320]

>>30356774
Lol

[Anonymous No.30357348]

>>30356774
seethe

[Anonymous No.30357411]

>>30348983
binance is run by chinks and cake is a meme coin. I'm good.

[Anonymous No.30357567]

I have 4.3 ETH
I own 180 BNT

As a poorfag I am happy today

[Anonymous No.30358235]

>>30348922
based and checked

[Anonymous No.30358388]

>>30355523
i think it's partly from OCR
but also a lot of shitcoin gamblers moved from uniswap to chinknace so that helps reduce worthless transactions

[Anonymous No.30358714]

>>30348983
BSC is literally centralized garbage. It's not even new tech, they just forked ethereum and made it centralized to make it faster. It has no future.

[Anonymous No.30358764]

>>30348922
$2k by end of march, without a doubt in my cis white male body

[Anonymous No.30358811]

>>30356774
>BNB already killed this overpriced russian shitcoin
BSC is literally exactly the same as this "russian shitcoin", it's the same code. It's not original, they forked Ethereum and just made it faster by making 21 Binance nodes confirm all transactions instead of having a decentralized ledger.
It's literally useless as a cryptocurrency.

[Anonymous No.30359187]

>>30357567
You should be even happier that you have a functioning brain, it's what matters most in the long term.

[Anonymous No.30359245]

CTRL-F "CAR...

>>30351091
>cardano

[Anonymous No.30359268]

>>30356774
>BSC
It is a copy/paste centralised scam.

[Anonymous No.30359276]

>>30358811
Why would I give two shits about muh decentralization if it makes me profit and is safe?

CZ actually stopped one of the biggest rugpulls in BSC, can you say the same about ETH? Its literally the wild west with elite banking fees, kek

[Anonymous No.30359339]

>>30359276
>believing chinese propaganda
ngmi

[Anonymous No.30359362]

>>30359276
>CZ

[Anonymous No.30359909]

>>30359276
>is safe?
It's the opposite of safe. You don't really own your profits, and you could get rugpulled any any moment. No different from keeping your shit on on exchange. Cannot happen with ETH. Rugpulls are impossible.

Plus the name and governance being tied Binance means its days are numbered. When regulators finally strike against Binance, BSC will go down with them. It's just a short term shitcoin that won't matter in a few years.
None of the DeFi projects on BSC are valuable because they're not DeFi to begin with. It's just a cheap way for retail traders like you who have no money to pay gas fees and want in on the DeFi speculation to make a quick buck, it's not here to stay, it's an imitation of the real thing with no actual purpose.

[Anonymous No.30360075]

>>30359909
>>30359276
Also, I would add that I don't even believe BSC and Ethereum are competitors, not even close. They just don't do the same thing at all, BSC "DeFi" is to DeFi what a buying and holding coins on a centralized exchange is to holding Ethereum and Bitcoin proper, in your own wallet.
They're not competitors, but they offer a way for less sophisticated investors who can't pay transaction fees to profit off of crypto going up, without actually holding real crypto.
So it's pointless to compare BSC and Ethereum.

[Anonymous No.30360080]

>>30359909
It’s surely a great meanwhile investment for the common investor, though, until ETH scales.

[Anonymous No.30360355]

>>30360080
Anything can be a great short term investment. Tron did 100x in 6 months in 2017, and it's garbage. The question is whether it can replace Ethereum, but it won't, and I don't believe they seriously expect it to.

[Anonymous No.30360455]

Its going to be a nonstop sky high bull run. It will make 2017 look like a blip. EIP1559 and Optimism scaling is coming in weeks. You can guarantee that Grayscale will be buying a boatload this week, in their recent report they were titillated by eip1559. Everything is coming together for ETH. What a time to be alive, this is such an incredible opportunity.

[Anonymous No.30360650]

>>30360455
checked and based

[Anonymous No.30360752]

>>30360455
>Optimism scaling is coming in weeks.
agreed, but success of layer 2 is 1% implementation and 99% making a UX that normans can use and feel comfy with

[Anonymous No.30360883]

>>30360455
>Optimism
Cool, but there's better.
zkRollup is miles better and endorsed by Vitalik as the ultimate scaling solution: https://vitalik.ca/general/2021/01/05/rollup.html
Optimism has issues with security, whereas zkSync is exactly as secure as L1 Ethereum.
zkSync is already used as the default payment to node operators for Golem, and also as the only alternative to L1 payments for STORJ node operators (I got my first zkSync payment from them today), and it can support 2000 tx/s on mainnet.

Only thing missing is smart contract support, which already works on Rinkeby testnet. It will be on mainnet within the year according to devs.

[Anonymous No.30361059]

>>30360752
There are so many amazing DApps already made and just waiting on scaling to catch up. Well funded entities have had teams working on this since 2017. The ETH network cant handle them now, it would be another cryptokitties, but as soon as 10,000+ tps is available you will see some serious DApp releases with mainstream usage.

[Anonymous No.30361124]

>>30360883
Zkswap

[Anonymous No.30361385]

>>30360883
The biggest improvement that is coming thanks to zkSync after 2000tx/s is the ability to pay for transactions *with tokens* instead of ETH.
You can already do this. You receive STORJ tokens for running your storj node, and you can send them to anyone without needing any ETH. This means you can run your own node and make money without having to be a crypto investor. This will tremendously lower the barrier for adoption and improve usability.

Imagine being able to use Ethereum with only DAI, without needing to own ETH on every wallet.
Someone could make a decentralized Paypal/Venmo/Cashapp-like app, but based entirely on DAI, and running on ethereum zkSync.
Users would be sending each other USD as far as they are concerned. They don't need to buy crypto and they don't need to have ethereum.
It would be entirely transparent. They might not even know what blockchain is. They don't have to worry about volatility.

Imagine a game company that wants their game's currency to be a token on Ethereum. New users get free tokens they can use to buy lootboxes, etc.
Right now, every user of that game would have to buy ETH first and have it in their game wallet in order to make transactions with those game tokens, and keep enough to keep paying for those transactions. It's an incredible barrier.
But what if only the tokens are required? And now they can simply get free tokens from the company, and use them freely, paying fees with those tokens, etc.

Right now if I have some Dapp on my phone, I either need to connect it to my hardware wallet, and use it authorize any transaction with it, or I make a new wallet for it on my phone and then I have to keep some ether on it just to pay for fees, and split my eth between wallets.
I have several wallets with just 20$ in eth now where it's not worth moving it out. That will just go away.

[Anonymous No.30361431]

I guess I'd be all in if I wanted to invest in last gen rube Goldberg shitware

[Anonymous No.30361444]

>>30361124
Please don't fall for ZkSwap, it's a scam, it's insecure and partially a clone of ZkSync, they shamelessly stole their code while critical security features: https://twitter.com/the_matter_labs/status/1364193008514707456
Matter Labs/zkSync actually know what they are doing. They literally invented new cutting edge zk cryptography to make zkRollup possible

[Anonymous No.30361583]

>>30361444
It's not even open source, and if you read their paper it shows zero competence in zero-knowledge cryptography

[Anonymous No.30361781]

>>30360883
you're confusing the tech: zk rollups and optimistic rollups

with the implementations: zkswap (china shitware), zksync and optimism

[Anonymous No.30362003]

>>30354278
I think well see $10k this year. Then a bearmarket but i dont think the drawdown will be as insane due to institutional adoption. You will make it this year and make fuck you money if you invest profits during the bear market (no financial advice im autistic)

[Anonymous No.30362194]

>>30361781
No, I'm not. I am attacking zkSwap in a different post, and I don't make any claims about Optimism in that post.
Read the post you quoted and the image, where there is a comparison between optimistic rollups and zkSync.

Plus, you're confused, because zkSwap is not Optimistic rollups. It's literally called zk-Swap. It's a borked implementation of zkRollup/Validium. And yes it is shitware.

There are inherent issues with Optimistic Rollups, and they are not as secure as L1 mainnet, as well as finality on withdrawals potentially taking much longer. Vitalik talks about it in the post I linked, but there's other resources as well.
The only advantage of optimism is it's easier to implement.
But zkSync with turing complete smart contracts is close to being a reality now. It's a matter of weeks or months at most. It's already been proven to work on testnet, and without smart contracts it already works and is being used on testnet.

To be clear: Optimism isn't shit, it's just not as good.

[Anonymous No.30362475]

>>30362194
>Plus, you're confused, because zkSwap is not Optimistic rollups. It's literally called zk-Swap
where did i say which implementation uses which tech???

>No, I'm not.
you literally QUOTED "Optimism", an implementation, and then talked about "zkRollup", the tech.

[Anonymous No.30362738]

>>30362475
You implied I am wrong because I am confusing Optimism for zkSwap, which I am not. You mentioned zkSwap when replying to a post where I didn't even mention it, and only mentioned zkSync and Optimism

>you literally QUOTED "Optimism", an implementation, and then talked about "zkRollup", the tech.
I also talked about zkRollups, as well as zkSync, the implementation. My point applies as well to Optimistic Rollups vs zkRollups as to Optimism vs zkSync.
I don't know why you're implying that I am being confused.

[Anonymous No.30362843]

>>30348922

[Anonymous No.30362924]

>>30348922
000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

[Anonymous No.30362959]

ETH won't stop going up!!!!

[Anonymous No.30363008]

i want my 2k back

[Anonymous No.30363019]

>>30362738
>>30362475
Pic related shows the difference in security between zkRollups and fraud proof based systems, like Optimistic Rollups
And here's an article about it as well to give more information:
https://medium.com/starkware/validity-proofs-vs-fraud-proofs-4ef8b4d3d87a
I hope you understand my point. I don't know where this misunderstanding comes from but I hope I have cleared it up.

[Anonymous No.30363073]

>>30348922
This is it... The flippening has begun

[Anonymous No.30363205]

>>30362738
???????
you responded to a guy talking about "optimism"
>>30360455

and then said, "no zkrollup is better, vitalik said so"
>>30360883

then I said your confusing the technology with the implementation
>>30361781

and then you said this non-sense
>You implied I am wrong because I am confusing Optimism for zkSwap, which I am not.

>Plus, you're confused, because zkSwap is not Optimistic rollups
and now you somehow think i'm confused?
where can you quote me saying anything remotely like this?
>>30362194

what the fuck bro

[Anonymous No.30363272]

>>30352107
have you ever seen the LTC/BTC chart?
stop trying to make diet bitcoin a thing.
it's not a thing.
just a cheap chinese knock off.
ethereum has a monster accumulation pattern dating back years and I think it's set to outperfom bitcoin for years to come.

[Anonymous No.30363294]

>>30363205
Again, I am not confusing the implementation with the technology, and you never had a reason to believe that.
What I said applies equally to Optimism vs zkSync and Optimistic Rollups vs zkRollup.
What is your point? You haven't shown how I am wrong

[Anonymous No.30363405]

>>30363294
>Again, I am not confusing the implementation with the technology, and you never had a reason to believe that.

>>30360883
Optimism = implementation
zkRollup = technology
>zkRollup is miles better and endorsed by Vitalik

[Anonymous No.30363432]

>>30363205
>where can you quote me saying anything remotely like this?
If you never said that then there was no point to your argument. I was not confusing Optimism and Optimistic Rollups. One is the implementation of the technology, the other the technology, so comparing Optimistic Rollups with ZkRollup is a perfectly legitimate response to someone talking about Optimism. There's no confusion.

[Anonymous No.30363486]

>>30363405
>Optimism = implementation
>zkRollup = technology
>>zkRollup is miles better and endorsed by Vitalik
Yes, so what? There is nothing wrong with my post. I didn't imply that Optimism isn't the implementation. But it's the implementation of Optimistic Rollups. So talking about zkRollup in response to Optimism is perfectly legitimate.
What are you complaining about?

[Anonymous No.30363589]

>>30363432
you literally said:

>>30362194
>Plus, you're confused, because zkSwap is not Optimistic rollups.
find me where i said anything remotely close to this


>>30363019
>Pic related shows the difference in security between zkRollups and fraud proof based systems, like Optimistic Rollups
find me where i said anything about the differences between these technologies

i'll wait

[Anonymous No.30363669]

>>30363589
So what is even your point? Literally what are you trying to say?
There is absolutely nothing wrong with my post. You keep pointing out that Optimism is the implementation and Optimistic rollups are the technology. I never implied otherwise, you just assumed that.

[Anonymous No.30363860]

>>30363669
>So what is even your point?
>>30361781
>you're confusing the tech
>...
>with the implementations


person 1: "i can't wait for the new nintendo switch"
you: "but nuclear power is better, vitalik said so"

>There is absolutely nothing wrong with my post.

[Anonymous No.30364012]

>>30363860
>>you're confusing the tech
>>...
>>with the implementations
No, I am not confusing them, and never did. What I said applies equally to Optimism and Optimistic Rollups, the technology. There is no difference between them for the purpose of what I said.

>person 1: "i can't wait for the new nintendo switch"
>you: "but nuclear power is better, vitalik said so"
No, now you're literally just lying.
Optimism is literally an implementation of Optimistic Rollups. Criticizing Optimistic Rollups is the same as criticizing Optimism. Any criticism of OR applies to Optimism because it's an implementation of it.
It's a meaningless distinction that you have not justified. Stop lying.

[Anonymous No.30364068]

>>30363860
>person 1: "i can't wait for the new nintendo switch"
>you: "but nuclear power is better, vitalik said so"
I didn't know nintendo switch is an implementation of nuclear power. Wow, you are an idiot.

[Anonymous No.30364335]

Oh fuck, ETH gets an update and senate passed an almost 2T USD stimulus. WAGMI

[Anonymous No.30364360]

>>30364335
>Oh fuck, ETH gets an update and senate passed an almost 2T USD stimulus. WAGMI
Lots of normies will put their stimulus check into cryptocurrencies.

[Anonymous No.30364395]

>>30364012
>words dont matter
>you have to read my mind, not the words i write

how you gonna justify your position when optimism eventually replaces their optimistic rollups with zk rollups?

[Anonymous No.30364400]

>>30364360
fucking scary. There will be so many people getting wrecked.

[Anonymous No.30364486]

>>30364335
Bitcoin isn't going up now so that means the stimulus hasn't been priced in yet. Fucking brilliant

[Anonymous No.30364682]

>>30364395
>how you gonna justify your position when optimism eventually replaces their optimistic rollups with zk rollups?
It is literally called "Optimism", it's an implementation of Optimistic Rollups. It has nothing todo with ZkRollup. That's what they are and what they have implemented, saying that my criticism is wrong because they could be something completely different in the future is as idiotic as it gets, and I cannot believe I wasted an hour of my time arguing with you, for you to come up with this grasping as straws bullshit.

ZkSync is the implementation of ZkRollup, and that's the ZkRollup that people will use as such.
That is the only valid implementation of ZkRollup, and the people with actual zero-knowledge cryptography skills are working on that, and they have invented new zk-cryptography methods in order to implement it. There is no "optimism" implementation of zkSync. And by the way, yes, Vitalik also specifically endorsed zkSync.io itself, he asked CZ to implement zksync withdrawals on Binance on twitter.

Optimism is an Optimistic Rollup implementation, and as such inferior, and my criticism applies to it perfectly. They will not become ZkRollup in the foreseeable future, and there is no reason they would when zkSync will exist and be feature complete at that point.

[Anonymous No.30364795]

>>30364682
>There is no "optimism" implementation of zkSync.
*there is no optimism implementation of ZkRollup
Fixed before you make another idiotic comment lying that I am confusing implementation with technology.

[Anonymous No.30364847]

>>30348922
Based OP

[Anonymous No.30364967]

>>30361583
actually i think that's 100% competence in zero knowledge cryptography

[Anonymous No.30365002]

>>30364682
>lemme parrot a bunch of stuff vitalik says
>and then get the wording wrong
>then rage when someone calls me out
the state of cryptochan

[Anonymous No.30365143]

>>30359909
I think what your missing is that bsc and in particular pancakeswap is providing a valuable solution to the gas problem in regard to trading.

people need a medium to trade crypto that is cost affordable. many traders out there either can't or won't trade on kyc centralized exchanges. just look at the massive volume pancakeswap had before the dip. it already surpassed uniswap.

until we get closer to the eip 1559 release, bnb and the cake token will be higher performing assets than eth.

[Anonymous No.30365144]

>>30364847
>100% competence in zero knowledge

[Anonymous No.30365280]

>>30365002
>>lemme parrot a bunch of stuff vitalik says
You have not proven *anything* I have said wrong, instead you just lied about what I said and posted reaction images.
>>and then get the wording wrong
I have gotten no wording wrong, you just lied about what I said. Everything I said was correct the way I worded it.
Associating Optimism with Optimistic Rollups and considering them equivalent because one is the implementation of the other is completely legitimate.

>>then rage when someone calls me out
I am only upset because you are a liar, and you wasted my time with your bullshit


Your ENTIRE argument hinges on the fact that, if Optimism was COMPLETELY different from what it actually is, then my argument would be wrong.

Just think for a second about how much of an absolute moron one has to be, in order to make such an argument, and believe that it makes any sense whatsoever, and that it's an own. You are both a liar and maybe the dumbest person I have ever met on this board, that is an achievement.

>how you gonna justify your position when optimism eventually replaces their optimistic rollups with zk rollups?

Just ponder on this statement, and think about your life. You're a dumbass.

[Anonymous No.30365465]

>>30364967
Kek

[Anonymous No.30365509]

>>30365280
i'm the liar, yet i can quote your mistakes, and you can't quote any of mine... interdasting...

[Anonymous No.30365717]

>>30365509
>yet i can quote your mistakes
You have quoted none of my mistakes, I made none, you have literally not even pointed out how what I said is even wrong.
Your entire argument hinges on the fact that, if the facts were completely different, I would be wrong. So, you are admitting I am right.

I don't need to quote anything you said, because every post you made is exactly the same. You lie that I don't understand the difference between implementation and technology, with no basis whatsoever. The difference doesn't matter to what I said, and I have shown why.

I am going to quote your most idiotic post again though, just to make fun of you:

>how you gonna justify your position when optimism eventually replaces their optimistic rollups with zk rollups?

Let that sink in, these are your words.

[Anonymous No.30365792]

>>30356774
BNB DOT = Blockstream

[Anonymous No.30365878]

>>30359909
>When regulators finally strike against Binance
This argument could be been valid if made 4 years ago
Binance is too big to fail now

[Anonymous No.30365936]

I'M DECOOOPLING

[Anonymous No.30366012]

>>30365717
>Your entire argument hinges on the fact that, if the facts were completely different, I would be wrong. So, you are admitting I am right.
now you're just making shit up lol

>>30361781
read my first reply to you

the only one stupid enough to interchangeably swap the name of a technology and the name of the company/group implementing that technology is you.

[Anonymous No.30366062]

What do you think about Mochimo anon?

[Anonymous No.30366060]

>>30365143
>is providing a valuable solution to the gas problem
It's not providing a solution to the scaling problem, any more than centralized exchanges provide a solution to transaction fees by allowing people to not make transactions.
Binance didn't invent new tech, they just made Ethereum centralized. It's not a solution to the problem, it's just a step back to what existed before.
That's why I said that it is to Defi what centralized exchanges are to holding crypto in your wallet. It has utility, but that doesn't mean that it's a replacement in any real sense.
>>30365878
But how is it? It's just a crypto exchange. They could close it and nothing would happen. Too big to fail means the economy fails if Binance shuts down. US Feds don't care about some crypto investors losing their money.
But let's say it's not shut down, it still doesn't look like they're significantly advancing towards regulators liking them, they've been rejected many times.

[Anonymous No.30366075]

we consolidating for a leg higher rn boys?

[Anonymous No.30366251]

>>30366012
>the only one stupid enough to interchangeably swap the name of a technology and the name of the company/group implementing that technology is you.

I didn't confuse them. I used them interchangeably, because to my argument they were perfectly interchangeable. There is nothing stupid about using them interchangeably, and you have never proven that wrong.

Optimism *IS* Optimistic Rollup. It's an implementation of it, and that's the entire point, but you seem too much of an idiot to even understand that. So criticizing one or the other is exactly the same. Your point was stupid from the beginning.

>>Your entire argument hinges on the fact that, if the facts were completely different, I would be wrong. So, you are admitting I am right.
>now you're just making shit up lol
No, that's exactly what you said, you are the one literally making shit up. Now you're denying your previous posts, which can be read by anyone?
Here:
>>30364395
>how you gonna justify your position when optimism eventually replaces their optimistic rollups with zk rollups?

You are literally saying that I would be wrong of Optimism was completely different from what it is, which it's not.

Optimism is not ZkRollup, and it won't be. It's literally an implementation of Optimistic Rollup, and ZkSync is ZkRollup, and that's what ZkRollup is going to be. Not Optimism.

[Anonymous No.30366258]

>>30366075
im only in ltc and eth

[Anonymous No.30366308]

>>30365878
>Binance is too big to fail now
>literally a chink scam

[Anonymous No.30366409]

>>30366308
safu

[Anonymous No.30366441]

>>30366308
SAFuuuuuuuuu are funds

[Anonymous No.30366439]

>>30365936
nice wick, retard. also, zoom out, kek

[Anonymous No.30366635]

>>30366439
>zoom out
No. You zoom in.

[Anonymous No.30366704]

>>30366251
>Optimism *IS* Optimistic Rollup.
again, NO.

optimism are USING optimistic rollups. they and their investors are betting that they can solve the data availability problem faster than zk rollups can solve the complexity problem.

[Anonymous No.30367020]

>>30366704
>again, NO.
Yes, they are. Optimism is Optimistic Rollups. Period. Optimism is entirely about Optimistic Rollups. That's their name and that's the entirety of their work.
There is zero mention of zkRollup anywhere on their site. Zero. None.
The idea that they would switch to ZkRollup for whatever reason, when their entire point, and their entire work is on optimistic rollups, and Matter labs and ZkSync are doing zkRollup and will have it solved by then, is completely idiotic and without basis. It's exclusively in your head, and you are making up this nonsense argument because you are grasping at straws after being proven wrong.

And even if it was possible for that to happen, it would no longer be Optimism. If Optimism is an implementation, then it would become a completely different implementation of something else. Hence my argument is perfectly valid, and your argument hinges on them becoming something completely different, which they are not.

Your entire argument is: If Optimism was about something completely different than what it actually is about, my criticism would be wrong. Hence it's a stupid argument. If my grandma had wheels, she'd be a bicycle.

[Anonymous No.30367224]

>>30367020
>Your entire argument is:
> <inserts autism>

it's right here
>>30361781

[Anonymous No.30367347]

>>30366439

>Zoom out to see how eth performed before eip1559 got approved recently

Brainlet. Eth will flip bitcoin it’s a matter of when not if. Could take 10 years

[Anonymous No.30367418]

>>30367224>>30361781
>you're confusing the tech: zk rollups and optimistic rollups
>with the implementations
You first said that I was confusing them, and you were lying, your entire argument is a lie.
Optimism is about Optimistic Rollups, and that's it. They are implementation and technology, but they are interchangeable for the purpose of my argument.

Now you are trying to convince me of an absurdity, that actually "Optimism" isn't about Optimistic Rollups, when they are. That is what they are about and claiming you can separate them is simply lying.

[Anonymous No.30367420]

Should I buy back in now or wait for a slight retrace? I was in other stuff while eth cooled off and retraced. Don't regret it, it made me money, but also want to be in eth longterm.

[Anonymous No.30367466]

>>30367420
wait for a retrace
there's a huge timegap between now and the berlin hardfork, it'll dip some between now and a month lol

[Anonymous No.30367849]

>>30367466
>yfw it just keeps creeping up with no dips

[Anonymous No.30367869]

>>30367418
>You first said that I was confusing them, and you were lying, your entire argument is a lie.
you realize this

>Now you are trying to convince me of an absurdity, that actually "Optimism" isn't about Optimistic Rollups, when they are.
and this

are both in your imagination?
and differ from what's written on this page?


>>30364395
my statement here -- that you're repeatedly straw-manning -- is a play on your claim that there's no difference between optimism and optimistic rollups.

my claim has no dependence on what direction optimism takes.

it is simply that you goofed while regurgitating vitalik's thoughts:
>>30361781

[Anonymous No.30367963]

>>30348995
As I said before the flippening is not about some shitty ETH killer it's about ETH flipping BTC. All you had to do was to listen and fill your bags with ETH and you could have made it.

[Anonymous No.30368155]

>>30367869
>my statement here -- that you're repeatedly straw-manning -- is a play on your claim that there's no difference between optimism and optimistic rollups.
Me quoting you directly is straw-manning? So you are now so ashamed of what you said, you're denying it.
Yes, there is no difference between Optimism and Optimistic Rollups. Because one is the implementation, and other is the technology, they are two sides of the same coin. There is no difference and everything I can say about OR applies to Optimism.
You tried, and disastrously failed, to prove that this is not true. Optimism will not implement ZkRollup. They implemented OR, and that's what they are all about - period. Anything else is made up in your head.

>my claim has no dependence on what direction optimism takes.
Yes, it does, because until Optimism changes what they are completely, they are Optimistic Rollups. There's no going around that.
>it is simply that you goofed while regurgitating vitalik's thoughts:
I did not goof, and you have not been able to point out anything in my original post that is factually wrong. Nothing. Quote one thing about it that is factually incorrect.
Everything I said applies to Optimism and OR, because they are two sides of the same coin. Talking about one is talking about the other - there is no meaningful distinction. You tried to make a pointless, stupid argument about semantics, and you were wrong. You made yourself look like an idiot, implying Optimism is going to implement ZKRollup. Admit it, and stop wasting everyone's time.

[Anonymous No.30368178]

>>30368155
Stfu nerds

[Anonymous No.30368237]

>>30367869
>are both in your imagination?
>and differ from what's written on this page?
No, I have read your posts, and I know the idiocy in them. They are not in my imagination, it's exactly what you wrote. And there is no point in denying it to make yourself look less stupid now that you said, it, because it's there for everyone to see.
You tried to claim repeatedly that I cannot use OR and Optimism interchangeably, as if Optimism isn't about OR.
You even claimed they will use ZkRollups, and you cannot deny that either.

[Anonymous No.30368887]

>>30348983
the same bnb thats being investigated by the sec cause its a security and thats why binance hasn't done an ipo because the sec has finished the investigation and potentially brought forward a case against them, alot of this rides of a xrp case onces one domino falls the sec will move onto the next fish binance being the next one

[Anonymous No.30369853]

>>30368237
>it's exactly what you wrote.
where?
>You even claimed they will use ZkRollups
where?

>>30368155
>Me quoting you directly is straw-manning? So you are now so ashamed of what you said, you're denying it.

you think quoting this >>30364395 corresponds to my legitimate position?
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Text

[Anonymous No.30370156]

>>30369853
>you think quoting this >>30364395 corresponds to my legitimate position?
It is exactly what you said in that post. And it isn't written in green text either. I sure as hell didn't come up with it myself.
You said something really stupid, and now you're flat out denying it, because you realize how dumb it is, and you're ashamed.
That's great. Because it really is dumb. Now that you're admitting you were wrong, I'm gonna consider this discussion over, and you can stop wasting my time, because you've finally admitted you were wrong and that what you said is bullshit.
There's nothing more to argue, and no point in me continuing. Goodbye.

[Anonymous No.30370541]

>>30370156
>where?

[Anonymous No.30370560]

>>30367347
lmao a coin with infinite supply will never overtake KING btc. BTC is guaranteed $1 million, Eth won't even be half that.

[Anonymous No.30370639]

>>30349169
Why tf would you consume gas, anon?

[Anonymous No.30370694]

>>30370560
>built for BTC

[Anonymous No.30370732]

>>30370560
This guy doesn't know about the burning gas in the update

[Anonymous No.30370798]

>>30370560
Eth does not need to be half that and it's not unlimited supply it has a limited circulation, google it next time retard ETH $10,000 by july confirmed

[Anonymous No.30370841]

>>30367849
be patient anon
50k will get denied again and you'll have your chance

[Anonymous No.30371415]

>>30348983
Based

[Anonymous No.30372065]

>>30359276
>and is safe
Lmao. What do you think "safe" means?

[Anonymous No.30372110]

To the Dark Side of the Mooning

[Anonymous No.30372400]

>>30348922
i only have 6 eth do you guys think there will be another major dip before july?

[Anonymous No.30372446]

my main bag is ETH and I don't understand why you guys are saying WOW THIS IS THE FLIPPENING ITS HAPPENING

it's just $100 up? what's the big thing? It's still low in marketcap compared to btc

[Anonymous No.30372615]

>>30372446
the prince is decoupling from the king

[Anonymous No.30372699]

>>30372615
is that code for gay sex?

[Anonymous No.30372799]

>>30372699
you know where i'll be