Business Idea

[Anonymous No.30190430]

How much of a company should you own if you come up with an idea for everything but you don't actually have the money or skills to actually do make anything happen?

[Anonymous No.30190675]

Seriously? 0%, unless you have money to seed the business.
Go pick up some skills and bring something to the table. Ideas are cheap, execution is everything.

[Anonymous No.30190919]

>>30190675
>Ideas are cheap

How? Not everyone can just think up Amazon or Facebook without ever seeing it first

[Anonymous No.30191259]

>>30190919
Yes they can

[Anonymous No.30191315]

>>30191259
ok. come up with the next Facebook

[Anonymous No.30192040]

>>30191315
k, trillion dollar ideas that just need money/skills to make them happen.

>bitcoin but better
>terraforming mars
>brain cybernetic implants to interface with the internet

[Anonymous No.30192061]

>>30192040
none of these are new and you didn't come up with any of them.

[Anonymous No.30192083]

>>30192061
Prove it.

[Anonymous No.30192097]

>>30192061
what was new about facebook when it was made? it was just 'myspace but better'

[Anonymous No.30192133]

>>30190430
I've seen countless faggots like you in my office thinking you're a genius for trying to "sell your idea" while its an absolutely dogshit idea if not already done
You sound like a proper midwit, give up and embrace your low iq ness.

[Anonymous No.30192342]

>>30190430
You only get what you negotiate. Don't listen to these retards. They think codemonkeys are bosses or something kek. We live in a society that values intellectual property and you can patent whatever. Ideas are very important but you should have other things as well.

[Anonymous No.30192371]

>>30192097
ad revenue

>>30192133
come up with my ideas then

[Anonymous No.30192430]

>>30192371
>come up with my ideas then
I don't need to. I work in asset management and I had this talk literally hundreds of times.
The very fact you're here unironically asking biz shows you lack the intellect.
I don't even need to hear your idea to know its worthless.
Might sound harsh but this is honestly for your own good.

[Anonymous No.30192455]

>>30192342
>They think codemonkeys are bosses or something kek

They're acting like they can just come up with a brilliant idea but in reality all they can do is punch out code marginally better than pajeets.

>>30192342
>We live in a society that values intellectual property and you can patent whatever. Ideas are very important but you should have other things as well.

I am no longer an idea guy. I am now a visionary leader.

[Anonymous No.30192498]

Ideas are worth nothing. Execution is everything. A terrible idea well executed is infinitely more profitable than a good idea that's poorly executed.

[Anonymous No.30192506]

>>30192430
>I don't need to. I work in asset management
because you literally can not do it. You can only crunch numbers or bullshit your way in negotiations.

A calculator can do that. You need to be an actual human being with a soul to create ideas.

[Anonymous No.30192521]

code monkey here, I take jobs from "idea guys" all the time, build it exactly how they describe it, and watch it not take off EVERY, SINGLE, TIME.

Even the best idea needs a fat marketing budget, and big customers using it. I'm happy to build your stupid idea for you anon, I simply charge 90 bucks an hour

[Anonymous No.30192522]

>>30192455
Money is unironically important though because you'll need codemonkeys like them to work.. So have it or convince others to give you theirs.

[Anonymous No.30192543]

>>30192506
>>because you literally can not do it. You can only crunch numbers or bullshit your way in negotiations.
You don't even have a single clue of what asset management is, do you ?
Ah well, unironically trying to help a midwit when I know its pointless.
Dunning krugers midwits like you don't even realise how clueless and incompetent they are, gl I guess.

[Anonymous No.30192574]

>>30192498
>deas are worth nothing. Execution is everything. A terrible idea well executed is infinitely more profitable than a good idea that's poorly executed

this line of thinking makes zero sense. You can have all the execution in the world but without the idea you have nothing. And even if you use a Terrible idea you are just wiating to get facebooked or Amazoned.

And its not like I Don't know someone with top level execution.

[Anonymous No.30192694]

>>30192543
>You don't even have a single clue of what asset management is, do you ?

So you are literally a shiny calculator who does nothing but get people who have ideas and money a nice 5% return on their capital per year while charging them fees.

Meanwhile they could just park their money in the s&p and outperform you.

[Anonymous No.30192730]

>>30192574
Despacito. Avengers. Mc Donalds. Ikea. H&M clothing. All shit, outclassed by basically everything but executed perfectly.

[Anonymous No.30192778]

>>30190919
Bad example, both aped and narrowly won out by luck against arguably better competition, of whom were also not the first to try.

The best you're going to get for an idea is recognition. Execution is the only thing that makes money. Children have good ideas all the time, but we ignore them because they can't see it through, which is the valued part, and a lot more challenging than having an idea.

[Anonymous No.30192929]

>>30190430
5% max

[Anonymous No.30192948]

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[Anonymous No.30192952]

Yeah, ideas are worthless. What’s valuable is the skill required to sell and build. I could make a shit lemonade stand, and if I make $0.50 then my lemonade stand will remain $0.50 more valuable than OP’s idea until a person or people with the ability to sell and build come along and execute it. Everyone has brilliant ideas that are worthless.

OP, you either need to sell your idea to investors, or build it yourself.

[Anonymous No.30192991]

>>30192778
This line of thinking makes no sense to me. Either my IQ is way lower than everyone else's or I am a visionary.

Without Zuckerberg stealing the idea if facebook he had nothing. Maybe he could have executed something else well. But until he has the idea there is nothing to execute.

[Anonymous No.30193062]

>>30192952
>OP, you either need to sell your idea to investors, or build it yourself.

I don't have the skill to build it and if I don't share this idea then it won't be made attempted for at least a year I reckon.

[Anonymous No.30193076]

>>30192952
>Everyone has brilliant ideas that are worthless.
Wrong. Everyone is an NPC slave with skills and a shit mind. Fuck off slave you need to do some analysis or run some numbers so the ideas man can make more money kek.

[Anonymous No.30193341]

>>30192991
>This line of thinking makes no sense to me.
Here's another example for you, go along with me:

If I told you I have the idea for a machine that magically prints real money, how much would you pay me for that?

[Anonymous No.30193549]

>>30193341
depends on how it works.

Idk why you all are assuming my idea is something like
>how cool would it be to just grab asteroids out of space that are made out of diamonds or platinum and sell them for 100 trillion dollars.

[Anonymous No.30193576]

>>30193076
Thank you. finally a non npc and real thinking breathing soup

You're hired

[Anonymous No.30193649]

>>30193549
>depends on how it works.

Okay, what if told you that it's a small box and you press a button on one side and a fresh, legit $100 bill pops out at the other end. How much would you pay me for that?

[Anonymous No.30193679]

>>30193341
now if you said something along the lines of using 3d printer technology to print out say guns, or buildings, or nanotech body armor then that's completely different than just saying magic money printing machine

[Anonymous No.30193764]

>>30193649
I'd ask how does it work. what's going on n the inside. how real is the money. are all of the bills identical etc.

[Anonymous No.30193799]

>>30193679
>>30193764
I don't know that yet. I have never build such a machine, you'd need to hire someone to figure out the details. Also there'll probably be tons of problems along the road, but you'll have to deal with those too. So how much are you paying me?

[Anonymous No.30193809]

>>30192371
theres already a meme of your ideas bro

[Anonymous No.30193961]

>>30191315
Runescape recreated with darksouls movement and combat, but with better netcode.

[Anonymous No.30193990]

>>30193799
So when am npc comes up with an *idea* this is what you come up with?

is this why npcs think ideas are worthless because npcs literally can not come up with brilliant ideas?

[Anonymous No.30194032]

>>30193961
so world of warcraft

[Anonymous No.30194105]

>>30194032
Nigger how in the fuck is that wow? Have you ever played darksouls?

[Anonymous No.30194161]

>>30190430
0%

[Anonymous No.30194269]

>>30192521
Thank god for outsourcing. Saved tens of thousands happily giving your job offshore.

[Anonymous No.30194346]

>>30193990
No, I'm indirectly mocking you. You're a myopic idiot and you'll never ever make it. If I could I'd bet 10k against you success.

[Anonymous No.30194423]

>>30192040
>new shitcoin
>turning an uninhabitable planet into a habitable one aka being a literal god
You have a double digit iq if you're comparing these two faggot

[Anonymous No.30194477]

>>30191315
Facebook but only women can make posts and men just comment. Think about it, both simps and thots will love this and that's 90% of the population

[Anonymous No.30195127]

I would ignore most of the people in this thread OP. They're mostly just jaded and bitter incels especially in the area of traditional business which is why they're on this board. There is some truth in what they're saying, however, in that an 'ideas guy' (who comes up with ideas like some of the stupid shit used in examples in this thread) is indeed useless.

However, an idea for a business, which you've then built a solid business plan around, is definitely worth something. Ideally, you want skills which would enable you to create this business plan, figure out the strategy, and draw up a plan of your next steps of how you're going to bring this idea to life. You want to get the idea off the ground somewhat, or have a very clear idea about how to do so.

Then you either fund it yourself with the three F's (Friends, Family, and Fools), or your convince VC's to invest in you and your idea. How much stake you give to VCs depends on your skills and what you bring to the table (unless patentable, why would a VC give you money as opposed to doing it himself?)

As others have stated, you don't always need a fantastic idea to create a good business. Hell, drive along any industrial park and look at all the companies that have at least a building or office space. They're mostly boring as fuck, "Office Partitions Co." "Slightly Different Metal Pipes Inc.", "Curved Sticks", but clearly have a modicum of success. However, equally, there are numerous 'interesting' companies that started from 'a good idea'.

[Anonymous No.30195207]

>>30194477
so Instagram?

[Anonymous No.30195415]

>>30195127
>Then you either fund it yourself with the three F's (Friends, Family, and Fools), or your convince VC's to invest in you and your idea. How much stake you give to VCs depends on your skills and what you bring to the table (unless patentable, why would a VC give you money as opposed to doing it himself?)

Well I have a couple of old friends who are programmers. One of which was a lead developer at uber I think.

I think I have a pretty good idea about how it would run. but it probably still needs to be fleshed out more.

[Anonymous No.30195743]

>>30195415
Perfect. Get to work on fleshing it out entirely.

[Anonymous No.30195865]

>>30190919
Are you retarded? Neither of those were revolutionary ideas. Both just happened to catch on.

[Anonymous No.30196173]

>>30195865
then why couldn't you think of it?

[Anonymous No.30196196]

I am sorry OP. As a 32yo genious who shits genius ideas, has started with nothing and made money from games which he invested and made $2mm.
People are right and your idea is not worth shit, if its something super unique and only needs to be implemented then you can do it yourself. If it is not, and you only have "idea" of how it will work but no idea on how to implement it you deserve no more than 10% and yes you are idiot who thinks he is smart because he came up with idea which is 99% of the time shit but the the people coming up with them are too stupid to understand why, they can't see the full picture and understand why.

[Anonymous No.30196287]

>>30196196
and I mean 10% from the the starting value, if there are funding rounds later on your % will drop as you are not adding any extra value to the company.

[Anonymous No.30196531]

>>30190430
You know what's funny to me? All of these *good ideas are a dime a dozen* fags, literally none of you seem to actually have good ideas or actually appreciate just how revolutionary some ideas are. It's like you all think that you could have easily invented fire, or the wheel, or even gravity after seeing an apple fall.

Here's the truth. NONE OF YOU. Not me either would have EVER thought of the concept of gravity after seeing an apple fall off a tree.

Sure you might understand how a wheel works. But odds are you do not have that special thing, that spark, that eye, that flash to have been able to actually think up the wheel and how to use it.

You all think ideas are cheap or worthless because you can't actually think. You think everyone can just create brilliant ideas because you don't understand what a brilliant idea actually is.

[Anonymous No.30196686]

>>30192371
You know how many "idea guys" there are on startups?

[Anonymous No.30196723]

>>30192371
>21 posts by this ID
le epic "ideas man" cope

[Anonymous No.30196837]

>>30193576
>real thinking breathing soup
now that's an idea that will surely catch on
no need to employ humans or invent strong AI, we can just use thinking soup

[Anonymous No.30196984]

>>30190675
What is sucking the blood from a baby’s freshly cut foreskin like?

[Anonymous No.30197102]

>I'm an ideas guy
OP did you ever get the idea of finding a job and stop being a parasite?

[Anonymous No.30197764]

>>30196531
I have 7 figures, and you're a coping delusional poorfag who's grasping at straws.
>M-maybe I can still make it despite my poor education and lack of work ethic with my ideas...

[Anonymous No.30198516]

>>30190430
10% maybe... If its a really good idea, really clever, really novel.
Ideas are a dime a dozen.
Money and skills to implement and will to implement are what really matter.

[Anonymous No.30198566]

That's actually a very good question
Read the book by Felix Dennis "How to get Rich"
He discusses it and advises that you should always own the majority share in any company created from your idea
He gives good advice on how to negotiate this with investors who want to take control

[Anonymous No.30199015]

>>30193990
Dipshit, if your idea has any viability either get a loan or take it to Kickstarter. You won't, because if you'd ever had a good small idea and the will to execute, you'd have startup capital. Instead, you've built up a nothingburger that you can't articulate well enough to even elevator pitch, and you'll take it to your grave.

[Anonymous No.30199459]

>>30192521
I do similar from an illustration perspective. I love doing commissions because it forces me to practice more and often challenges me, but of the 10 or so games I've done art assets for, I don't think any have gone to market. It's funny, because my day job is project management, which is what they really need from me. Defined and locked scope, timelines, dependencies, an actual forecast on manufacturing and returns to determine breakeven, NDAs etc etc.

[Anonymous No.30199488]

>>30196686
there is no starting up without the idea

[Anonymous No.30199639]

>>30199015
>if your idea has any viability either get a loan or take it to Kickstarter

wouldn't someone just copy it before I finish it?

[Anonymous No.30199672]

Glad to see I'm not he only one that hates these types of people

[Anonymous No.30199795]

Literally 0. Ideas are a dime a dozen. Go to shark tank or something.

[Anonymous No.30199880]

>>30190430
30% minimum

A hundred codemonkeys or bean counters are worth one ideas guy

[Anonymous No.30200284]

>>30196531
Jesus, mentally ill. An idea not executed is worthless. I wade through the shitty remnants of tens of millions of dollars in failed projects every fucking day when waging.
For every revolutionary idea to market, I shortlist at least three companies providing in effect the exact same cutting edge service. Oh, you need bespoke AML software with vessel tracking? Here's 5 fuckers, one that's already in house so Sourcing won't climb up my ass and blow out my tmelines.

You could have a better IDEA for execution, but I implement solutions to a timeframe, I don't give charity to some fuckwit that has no product to implement.

We have people in house that develop some ...great things despite the behemoth of legacy systems that have to be integrated. They get paid basic wagie shit, or they contract from one of the big 4 consulting firms.

If you want big money, save me money. If it's more than 6 months dev wirk, we're outsourcing it anyway, just bring me something I need, that you can demo, that has an iron coad explanation for how it will make us money or make us more compliant with regulations.

Or, seriously, just articulate it, go to kickstarter.

[Anonymous No.30200493]

>>30191315
>year is 2004
OK bro, just come up with the next MySpace LOL

OP is retarded but let's not stare at the sun with him

[Anonymous No.30200563]

>>30199639
I was clearly angry at some of your responses before I got down this far. Ah, what's the requirement you're meeting and what's your market?

Fintech, retail, consumer, what. You can keep execution to yourself, I don't care. I want to sense check if there's reasonable demand first.

[Anonymous No.30200873]

>>30196173
I was eight
Besides, Facebook was literally just a Face Book. Not even the first one. Not even a good one. Just one that caught on maybe by chance, maybe because it's a Spook-scheme to harvest user data.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_book

[Anonymous No.30200914]

>>30191315
Facebook 2

[Anonymous No.30200955]

>>30190430
There's no way to generalize it. Ideally you want to remain in control, so you want to keep 51% for yourself. Maybe you bring some friends on who share your vision, and the group of you can keep 60% while selling 40% to investors. Or maybe you need so much money that you can only keep 30%, but you split the 70% up among so many investors that you probably don't have to worry about being forced out -- but you implement a supermajority requirement in your corporate charter so that they can't throw you out unless they're unanimous, or something like that.

It all depends on how big an idea it is, how much you're needed, and how much you need.

>>30193649
Not much because the U.S. government would throw me in prison for a decade for using it.

[Anonymous No.30201087]

>>30190430
fucking corona i swear i need to fuck a bitch so badly

[Anonymous No.30201128]

>>30190430
0%

[Anonymous No.30201255]

>I'm an ideas guy

[Anonymous No.30201301]

bird.money?

[Anonymous No.30201503]

>>30196531
I've had several brilliant ideas in my lifetime. My problem has been that I am too fucking broke to do anything about them. The one time I was in a good enough position to isolate myself and build a prototype, I ended up being fucked over by my family, then the economy cratered (2008).

Two years ago, I saw that idea commercialized by an Israeli company. There was no difference between theirs and mine. They're doing well with it. If my father hadn't lied to me, gaslighted me, and destroyed my life while I was in the middle of trying to get it done, I could have had a nice business earning money for the rest of my life. Instead, I goddamn near killed myself from despair and saw all of my hard work go to waste.

Thanks, Dad.

[Anonymous No.30201841]

>>30190430
if you can't raise capital, you probably can't run a business. Your idea is probably shit in many multiple ways you can't even see yet.

[Anonymous No.30201866]

>>30190430
everyone has ideas dude. Every anon in here telling you execution is more important is absolutely right. If your idea is fucking great, be the greatness behind it. If you just want to make ideas and sit back while others execute them, you will fail over and over again.

[Anonymous No.30202034]

>>30201503
it's really your own fault for listening to other people.
Losers find an excuse for every failure. They are walking excuse makers.

[Anonymous No.30202121]

>>30201503
what was the idea?

[Anonymous No.30202296]

>>30192040
you are such a zoomer faggot

[Anonymous No.30202429]

>>30190430
>be OP
>Ask retarded question
>get balistic when answers are not what he expected

[Anonymous No.30202935]

>>30190430
Company ideas without resources are absolutely worth nothing.

Product ideas without resources are worth something. Percentage of ownership would depend on profitability projections.

> t.> product development engineer/business owner