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Hope you guys had a good 3 day weekend. Figured I would make a general for today since there isn't one up.

>Game
http://www.marketwatch.com/game/biz-game-/
Password: merchant

>Trading Hours
Monday - Friday
0930 - 1600 EST
1430 - 2100 UTC

>Educate yourself
http://www.investopedia.com/university/stocks/

>Previous threads
>>http://archive.foolz.us/_/search/boards/biz.dev.foolz/text/Password%20%3A%20merchant%20/type/op/

Useful Links:
>Stock Price Charts
https://www.google.com/finance
http://finance.yahoo.com/
>Investing Wiki
http://www.investopedia.com/
>Advanced Graphics, Visuals, etc.
http://finviz.com/
http://finviz.com/map3d.ashx
http://stockcharts.com/

>Joke of the day
AMD shorts getting BTFO

>> No.293168

>Shorts
Can someone explain this?

If you hold a stock for less than 3 days, are you considered 'shorting' it? Longer than 3 days and you're considered 'long' for a stock?

If
>AMD shorts getting BTFO
Doesn't that mean those traders will just turn into 'longs' until AMD goes back up? (If they don't sell of course)

>> No.293171

>>293168
When we say "shorts" we mean this http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/shortselling.asp

People that hold the stock less than 3 days are considered "traders" since they don't care about the company and are mostly concerned with scalping money during periods of volatility.

"Investors" are people that hold long term.

>> No.293180

>>293168
One more question regarding tax.

So say all year you bought $GOOG and made $5,000 for the year in stocks after selling it. But let's say you also bought a couple failed penny stocks and ended up losing $6,000 on them throughout the year.

So your total for the year of stocks is -$1,000. Do you still have to pay taxes at the end of the year on the $5,000 you made, or is that thrown out since you lost overall more than you gained?

>>293171
Thanks, I think. So 3 days is the golden rule? 'Shorts' = 3 day 'traders', 'Longs' = week+ 'investors'?

I appreciate the insight for my questions. Still learning so much.

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293209

Is it still worth participating in that game of yours at this point or would I be missing out on starter bonus? Should be the same, no?

>> No.293224

>>293171
wtf. when did the top 5 completely skyrocket? Playing the 15 min window? HFT algos?

>> No.293233

>>293224
Who knows, I'll check but I didn't create the game so you'll have to have the owner of the game make sure they're legit.

AMD did go up 12% today though.

>>293209
It's always worth it if you're wanting to learn what it's like to trade/long term invest.

>>293180
>Do you still have to pay taxes at the end of the year on the $5,000 you made
No, your trading account (mines Scottrade) will give you a form to import when you file taxes. It takes the total gains/losses.

Shorts = Short sellers

Traders = Short term holders

Investors = Long term holdings

>> No.293247

>>293233
AMDs 12% shouldnt account for 12mil return.....

>> No.293252

>>293247
12 million return? They're cheating then. Using an exploit. Wish the person running the game would ban

>> No.293274

Okay, so I haven't checked on the game for a week or two because of finals, but how the fuck did the #1 ranked guy make $12m in that time?

>> No.293278

>>293274
He's cheating/

>> No.293330

Bump for more traders/investors. AMD is paying out well but most of my watchlist is fucked. Any additions?

>> No.293335

>>293330
i think i'll be getting out of amd. too much of an under performing roller coaster.

>> No.293338

>>293335
How long have you been riding the wild ride? Im hoping it can close the gap between the last ER.

Biotech is a fucking mess right now. Looking for another sector is a bitch. Especially when this will be a down year

>> No.293344

>>293338
since September 2013. bought in at 3.85. I've been a buy a hold on it, but i've had enough.

>> No.293347

>>293344
Haha if you wait until September you don't get raped with taxes. I would wait to see if the gap fills or not. Put in a stop loss at 3.95$?

>> No.293362

>>293347
mmm that's true. /taxes/

>> No.293365

>>293362
Well, not "raped" but it's a lot cheaper this way. Plus 3.85 buy in isn't too bad considering where we are at now. You've got lots of room for profit.

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>>293233
Thanks for helping answer the questions Wipe.

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293377

I've been away for a while and I recently decided to get back into this. I was looking over my performance when I was away and I saw this,
What the fuck happened on the 3rd?

>> No.293381

>>293377
IT happened.....

>>293370
No problem!

>> No.293426

Just an update, the mutual Fund I am in is placing me at 96.

>> No.293428

>>293426
Which mutual fund is that?

>> No.293443

>>293428
FSTVX

>> No.293513

>>293443
Thanks mate.

Does anyone know if the ATI ER tomorrow morning will affect the price of AMD?

http://www.nasdaq.com/earnings/report/ati

>> No.293612

Bump for those EOD checkups

>> No.293641

RSH might be a nice gamble. I'd wait until 1 or even less, then look to get out around 5.

>> No.293657

>>293641
>RSH
Those still exist?

>> No.293669

>>293657

Yep, been taking a hit this month compared to it's price. Either one of three things: RSH is in its death throws or however it's called, and will be sold or liquidated. RSH is acting like it's gonna go under, but really, they have been planning this all along. OR RSH will become stagnant under a dollar.

>> No.293674

>>293669
Im going to go with it's dying. There's plenty of competition our there and it just fell way behind. Nobody born after 2000 even knows what a Radio Shack is.

>> No.293679

>>293674

I haven't really looked into RSH, but the chart reminded me of OSGIQ. I'll be doing a little looking into RSH, but for now, it's just a gamble-to-be.

>tfw there won't be another OSGIQ

>> No.293685

>>293679
>OSGIQ
Would love to believe... I think it still has potential since there really isn't any competition after the Oil Shipping crash of 09/

>> No.293717

>>293685

Iranian sanctions. I'm wondering if what's going on in Ukraine can be linked to the whole ordeal. It's like Russia, US, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and some other European countries all tied in. (timing of the fracking boom in the states) (panama canal expansion, keyston XL)

But RSH, fucking PLEBTHETIC. Ain't got no international politics behind it.

>> No.293757

>>293717
>Iranian sanctions
Well that's most likely never going to lift.. Fucking hell. But would be nice is OSGIQ picked up if the US starts exporting oil

>> No.293768

>>293757
Why don't you make these threads daily anymore? I miss them.

>> No.293780

>>293768
I'll try to be on it more often. Just went on vacation two weeks in a row. Back to work so I'll keep a /biz/ tab open.

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>>293180

>So 3 days is the golden rule? 'Shorts' = 3 day 'traders', 'Longs' = week+ 'investors'?

Did you even fuckin' read what he wrote?

>> No.295196

>>293915
It's okay, takes people awhile to get things sometimes.

Also bump

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295198

>come back after 2 months
>number 19 without doing jack shit

Some of you suck ass at investing

>> No.295200

>>295198
haha people learn the hard way that trading takes skill

>> No.295202

>>295198
traders are no better than investors

>> No.295203

>>295202

It really isn't hard to invest in energy.

>> No.295214

Sick gains for AMD today

>> No.295218

>>293338

AZN has been amazing to me but probably too late for that.

> dat feel when own amd as well.

>> No.295220

Got a hot tip on INVN. Hop on board the gravy train.

>> No.295233

>>295214
Yup, glad I didn't sell.

>>295218
AMD bringing the cash money. Needs upgrades though. Hope that one anon didn't sell.

>>295220
>such pump
>no dump

>> No.295234

>>295233
>Nike cuts support for fuelband
>Apple announces iWatch

Guess who makes the gyro-sensor chip for them? Stay pleb.

>> No.295235

>>295234
>Posting a recommendation and supporting it with "got a hot tip"

I would be a pleb if I didn't ask you anything.

>> No.295247

>Return to /biz/ trading after a week
>First place has $13 mil
How?
What did I miss

>> No.295248

>>295247
He's cheating and nobody can find the game creator...

>> No.295251

>>295248
Where's the fun in cheating in this sort of game?

>> No.295258

>>295251
Who knows. People are just shitbags?

>> No.295269

>>295251
because thats how people win in the stock market irl

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295274

Bought McD's today.

>>295234
Not AMD?

>> No.295285

>>295274
>AMD
>Stuck at 4.25$
All damn morning. I want to see those 4.60$ highs like last ER

>> No.295316

Want a stock tip?

Buy GILD. Earnings are released after the bell today, and they're gonna be good. I've been holding it about a week just for the anticipation rise and got about 10% so far.

>> No.295326

>>295316
How do you feel about PCYC?

>> No.295328

I started yesterday and already am up 153 bucks. I'm the new king pin in town. Going to enjoy a well deserved scotch when I get home.

Done deal.

>> No.295331

>>295328
>scotch
Pleb tier. I can't even drink and I know what the good stuff is. Get your hand on a bottle of Bordeaux wine. Enjoy the good life mate.

>> No.295342

>>295331
Ok. Will look into it. But I like good aberlour scorch.

So stocks work......I put money in and if it goes up I take it out and I get free money.

Where does that free money/increase come from? I am actually buying non votable shares in a company? I own part of that company? Wtf

>> No.295346

>>295342
You're buying pieces of a company. The price goes up and down depending on the demand.

IE: Everyone wants to invest in Google, so their price per share is 500+. Nobody wants to invest in Radioshack so their price per share is 1$. You gain/lose money based on the desire to invest in a company.

>> No.295353

>>295331
men drink scotch chinese "men" with very small penises buy bordeaux and store it in a cellar to look at

>> No.295354

>>295346
Hehe thx. Am reading investopedia. Will become the next Donald trump

>> No.295355

>>295353
don't try and imply that scotch isn't the most compensating drink of all time

bordeaux is for snobs but at least they're secure in their gender

>> No.295356

>>295326
I haven't really looked into them. There's a lot of biotech earnings releases this week though, and things are looking pretty good for a lot of them. AMGN is releasing theirs with Gilead today as well, and Biogen on Wednesday. I don't know much about Amgen either, but Biogen should be good.

>> No.295360

>>295353
>Giving two shits about stereotypes
>Not enjoying a bottle of the best wine France has to offer
>Not appreciating the finer things in life

They're both nice, but the bordeaux gives off a certain image.

>>295356
Biotech has been getting ass rammed all month. We at bottom yet?

>> No.295364

I bought pretend stock in apple (android killer coming soon) and Facebook (they want to be the next google/own profit potential brands)

Did I do good

>> No.295365

>>295364
I've seen worse

>> No.295368

>>295360
>We at bottom yet?
Looks like it, everything is coming up now.

>> No.295369

>>295364
>Apple (android killer coming soon)
Unless they come out with something that can compete with the Note 4 and the Samsung S5/HTC I don't see them taking any shares.

Also iWatch would be neat but only if it's confirmed for iPhone6

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>>295360
>We at bottom yet?
Maybe.

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>>295360
>Biotech has been getting ass rammed all month. We at bottom yet?

I've always bearish but I'm not shorting anything right now, def not biotech.

>> No.295396

>>295368
>>295370
>>295372
Hmm.. Seems /biz/ is in agreement that we might be bottom on Biotech.

>> No.295558

We hit 4.30$ yet with AMD?

>> No.295574
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295574

coffee futures closed +7.76% looks like the shibe pattern of good fortune grew a tail

>> No.295575 [DELETED] 

Go kill yourself.

>> No.295599

>>295574
rofl.
Such gains
Many profits

>> No.295610

wat do i get for doing well on the game?

>> No.295612

>>295610
You get nothing and like it.

>> No.295615

>>295612
Sir, may I have another Sir!

>> No.295647 [DELETED] 

>>295615
You get slightly above nothing.

YOU get a Donkey Punch. As I cum in your ass bareback while your wife is filming us while being fucked by a robotic dildo thrust machine. All in the name of Allah

>> No.295648

>>295610
all the top firms in america are watching the top 10 list and recruiting off there

why do you think gamma doesn't post here anymore he got a job at Deutsche Bank after his successful JCP play

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>>295648
TOP TOP KEK

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295696

Oh mein gott
I sold all my AMD's yesterday at 3.10

>> No.295715

How does online investing work?
I mean to say, is there a parasitic intermediary, or can you buy stocks directly from the company?

>> No.295720

>>295696
Why?

>> No.295725

>>295720
woops meant to say 4.10
I was anticipating it sticking around 3.90 give or take 5 cents

>> No.295758

>>295725
Man! I said limit stop at 3.95$!

>> No.295777

What do you more experienced fellows think of INFN? I see increasing EPS with estimates predicting a swing to the positive this year, increasing revenue, and fairly low debt-to-equity. Also, their management comes from larger companies where some of them spent significant time, which is good right? Any insight in to technicals that support a buy-in right now? I mostly hold stocks for dividends right now, and I made a couple of good short-term plays the past few months, but I'd like to get in on a growth opportunity this year too.

>> No.295798

Any thoughts on AVEO? Price is nearly at an all time low, but has started to rise again (along with nearly every other biotech stock). Biodesix has teamed up with them (and willing to fund up to $15 M) to co-develop and commercialized their most recent drug candidate after promising preliminary results.

>> No.295801

>>295798
Wait for earnings reports from the 4 big ones this week to find out where biotech will go. Should be up.

>> No.295808

>>295356
>>295316
Well AMGN missed but GILD is up in afterhours.

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>>295758
no clue what your talking about
I'm not shadow trading you

>> No.295856

>>295844
Ah I thought you were the anon who was going to sell during the ER

>> No.295883

>>295801
Alright then. Also, if the bid/ask price of a stock afterhours is higher than the closing price of a stock, does that mean the next day the stock will open at the ask price? See ILMN for an example (closing at ~$148 today, but the ask is ~$161). If so, damn it, I shouldn't have pussied out of a (reasonably) cheap call option of $150 last week.

>> No.295888

>>295883
No gaurantess but if ILMN hold here, where it likely will. that call will value around 11/contract minimum (depending on expiry)

>> No.296102

>>295888
You should have shorted UVXY to autowin

>> No.296237

So how do I play the biotech resurgence that's already happening?

Post-earnings Amgen seems like a safe bet.

>> No.296453

Buy PRAN

>> No.296581

>>296237
I thought they missed expectations.

>> No.296757

How does one get in on that WSE action?

I'm in Canada and I can't find a broker that deals in WSE.

I want in on KGHM.

>> No.297266

Can't believe this board froze for a whole trading day... CONSPIRACY!!

>> No.297490

Bump

>> No.297523

>>295364
You could be fucking rich right now if you invested enough in AAPL.

They shought up over 40 dollars just now. I was actually thinking about buying it today, I'm a fucking idiot for not, I would have a lot more money right now. I lost over $180 though.

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297533

Dat Sydney market open

What to expect when Tokyo wakes up? I figure I should short EURJPY.

>> No.297541

>>297533
>Dat Sydney market open
chart looks pretty normal to me m8

>> No.297563

>>296581
Of course, gotta buy the dip.

>> No.297593

What brokers do you use that don't rape you on the spreads?

>> No.297695

>>297593
I use Scottrade, but I also don't trade options

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298135

Playing this game for a class and Im fucked.

I try to trade more than invest since it's a relatively short game, but then I forget to check it for one hour and I go from profits to completely fucked

>> No.298218

>>298135

Your class can't be more than three months. Why are you going for save boring stocks that are going nowhere?

>> No.298444

>Astrazeneca misses EPS, barely beats revenue
>Still goes up 2%

Top lol, too the moon baby. AZN and AMd were two very good choices, much better than the 500 pounds (thank fuck it was only that) i threw away on pot stocks.

>> No.298773

I think i'll buy a few shares of google and let them in my portfolio for a year or so. Opinions?

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It's crashening

>> No.298820

What's the difference between GOOG and GOOGL ?

>> No.298832

>>298444
That's what happens when you play with any penny stock..

>> No.298880

>>298820
Anyone? Com on /biz/

>> No.298890

>>298880
>The Class B shares, roughly 92% of which are held by the three men — 84% by Brin and Page — are not listed, and they have 10 times the voting power of traded Class A shares, under the new GOOGL ticker. New Class C shares, which got the old GOOG ticker, have no voting power.
While Google was far from being the first company to use two classes of stock, the idea caught on with other Internet company founders seeking the benefits of the public market without the loss of control.

http://news.investors.com/technology/042314-698153-google-executives-stock-voting-power-linked-to-growth.htm

>> No.298900

AMD anyone?

been watching this stock for years it never seems to trend. Do you think their 64 bit server processors will give them a comeback in the server market?

thanks

>> No.298903

>>298900
That's the hope. I'm a well known holder of AMD but I bought back @3.32 per share. Wish I hopped on during the 2.50$ days before the console announcements.

Currently filling the gap on AMD. I wouldn't get excited until you break that 4.60$ mark

>> No.298922

>>298903

Nice. Yeah i know not to get excited with AMD lol... every time i go in on them its the most boring and frustrating experience ever...

This is just somewhere to put some extra money which I know nothing drastic is likely to happen haha

>> No.298929

>>298922
It's boring for sure, but only frustrating if you buy into ER hype and get pwned like the last 3 ER's...

Would be awesome to see that 12$ value again like in 2011

>> No.298959

Hey guys I'm a comlpete newfag, so far when I click on "trading" i only see 20 companies, but I wanna see how Boeing and Coca Cola is doing.
Why can't I view them? I entered their domain names in the search thing but it came out empty.

>> No.298963

>>298959
Did you try searching with the company's ticker symbol? Like BA for Boeing or KO for Coca-Cola.

>> No.298979

Should I start buying shares at all if I have less than 1k?

>> No.298982

>>298979
That's not very much. Even if you managed to be +10% at the end of the year you're only up 100$

>> No.298983

Is it just me or is it easier to short than buy?
I make more of shorting than buying

>> No.298984

i had to buy nyse:hp yesterday. fuck.

>> No.298986

>>298983
If you trade on news and short hype bubble panic sells.. fuck yes.

>> No.298988

What happend to twitter stock?

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298990

Why does this keep happening when I try to buy cheap stocks?

>> No.298991

>>298986
But it wouldn't be as easy IRL, no?

>> No.298995

>>298982

What would be an ideal amount to start buying shares?

>> No.298996

>>298990
Try buying less than 6k shares. Owner probably set a limit

>> No.298999

>>298995
14885.62
this would be ideal

>> No.299000

>>298995
2,500$ is a good start. Assuming you go all in on 1 or 2 stocks.

>> No.299005

Does anyone subscribe to Bloomberg Brief? I have it and I am not sure how to use the information properly.

>> No.299006

>>299000

I figured that would be fine if I plan to invest in other ones later on, and if money isn't a real issue, but I didn't know if I could start earlier or not.

Nice full house btw.

>> No.299007

>>298990
>>298990
it literally tells you why
are you fucking retarded m8?

try splitting up the order in 6187 increments

>> No.299014

>>299007
Why am I being stupid?

I tried, but it takes too long time

>> No.299018

Should we short Netflix? Looks like its competitors are stepping up the competition as Amazon has a contract with HBO to stream HBO shows to Prime members, plus Netflix is increasing the price of the subscription. However, they had a price increase experiment in Ireland which showed positive results as the customers did not react negatively to the price increase. What do you think?

>> No.299060

>>299006
Didn't even notice. Glad you check'd em

Most people I know that have only 1k to invest at times usually throw it into an index/mutual fund

>> No.299064

>>299060

I think a mutual fund is the safest place to put that much money

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>>299018
I think the stock is overvalued and has room to fall

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anyone else been following the marijuana stock pump and dump? I feel like I learned a lot watching this and the people involved in this train wreck.

>> No.299141

>>299133
Its a penny stock pump and dump. Nothing new

>> No.299148

>>299141
I thought it was worthwhile. It was kind of fun going through some of the companies and watching how they funnel money around while trying to maintain a "legit" front. some obviously had better documentation than others but really there were some interesting balance sheets in all of that.

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>interesting

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A good time to buy is soon?

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Did you short above 600?

>> No.299169

>>299155
never too cheap to sell

>> No.299170

>>299169

Never too tight to penetrate your mother, either.

>> No.299178

>>298991
uhm

ive been doing it irl for 5 years

never done simulators i dont understand why it would be different?

>> No.299262

>>298773
>>298890
Thanks Wipe.

Bought 15 shares of GOOGL at 388,2270 € (Frankfurt) today.

>> No.299293

>>299262
Looks like MSFT had a good ER too.

>> No.299332

>>299133
Are you the anon that mentioned SPLI like a month ago?

That one has blown up.

If you're that anon, what are you eyeing now then?

>> No.299334

>>299293
Time to buy?


Anyone remember the anon that recommended NEWL a few weeks ago? I hope you didn't buy into it.

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>>299334
forgot pic

>> No.299349

>>299339
Stock looks like its headed to that area where that Malaysian flight disappeared to.

>> No.299630

>>299334
I didn't buy.. Amazing to short though.

>> No.299884

Apple reported earnings that blew past estimates yesterday; they went up over $40 in one hour.

Facebook reported earnings that blew past estimates yesterday; they went down today.

What the fuck happened? I bought 150 shares of facebook at $62.3 today (got hit hard right after that), they better go the fuck up. Kramer from Mad Money tells me to buy, I heard some other analyst say it's a buy, it looks good to me. Gonna try and stick with this kind of long term.

>>299155
>>299339
Retarded ass shit. You'll be catching a huge falling knife and you'll just start bleeding money.

>> No.299920

>>299630
What about ShytRx?

And how much does the Dream Team pay?

>> No.299939

>>299155

Has radioshack changed their business model up? If not, it'd be like buying Blockbuster.

>> No.299941

>>299339
What the hell happened here?

>> No.299953

>>299941
It's a penny stock, that shit happens.

Stay away from penny stocks.

>> No.300020

What software do you use to watch stocks and get those fancy diagrams?
Any good and free ones for Mac?
Thanks

>> No.300024

>>300020
i mean stock market analyst tools

>> No.300031

>>299941
weird ass company

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/newlead-holdings-ltd-analyst-report-restructuring-contemplated-expansion-of-product-lines-special-situation-by-brokerbank-securities-inc-2014-04-23?reflink=MW_news_stmp

http://secfilings.nasdaq.com/filingFrameset.asp?FileName=0001144204-13-048769.txt&FilePath=\2013\08\30\&CoName=NEWLEAD+HOLDINGS+LTD.&FormType=20-F&RcvdDate=8%2F30%2F2013&pdf=

they are a shipping company with like 6 ships based in bermuda, so there are different rules for their SEC filings and I can only find their 2012 annual report, no quarterlies, no nothing, their policy on public offerings resembles zimbabwe's monetary policy going from 7.4 million shares to 160.9 million between 2011 and 2012

now they are restructuring and expanding into mining/commodities

>> No.300052
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>>300020
I just stay in think or swim all day, it's proprietary but comes free of charge with an Ameritrade account. Has some analysis tools, some cheesy shit that tries to predict where a stock will be heading in the very near future, etc.

I was really glad that it worked on Linux and other Unix boxes, although not surprised because it's written in Java and works practically anywhere because of it. Point being it works on OSX.

The thing is an unbelievably huge hog of resources though, takes a really hefty amount of RAM and processing power, also a noticeable slice of network bandwidth.

>> No.300257

>>300031
I've got some spare monies lying around and I'm thinking about snatching some shares up. Or is this too toxic to go anywhere near?

>> No.300269

>>300052
does the cheesy shit work?

>> No.300277

>>293171

Trading can be 1 day or 1 year. Initially you are buying a stock hoping it turns in your favor to make a profit. Whether 1 day or 1 year, you are trading if you are buying stocks. Unless you are buying enough percentage of the stock to get on the board, you are not investing.

>> No.300297

>>299939
>>299939
>tfw shorting blockbuster all the way day
I remember them trash talking Netflix.

>> No.300302

So I've been losing money on ONVO for a few months now, after believing so fiercely in a company that could change the world. Obviously it won't, if the recent scathing reports of their science are right.

Should I just sell at a huge 40% loss or treat is like a dip and pump more money in?

>> No.300339

You guys think $RUSS will be up?

>> No.300364

>>300269
No not really at all, sometimes it gets it right, other times it's way off. It's not something you can rely on, it only predicts it within a matter of minutes ahead of time so it's useless unless you're a day trader too.

>> No.300365

>>300302
just hold

>> No.300380

>>300302
You should have sold a long time ago.

When a stock you own and bought at a high price starts falling, you think "it will go back up". Then you wait, and you lose more money. At this point you get into a mode where you're thinking "I lost too much money, I have to wait for it to go back up". Yet again it keeps falling, and you just keep losing money until you're completely fucked. Sometimes a stock will _never_ go back to the price you bought it at, and the longer you wait for it to crash the more and more money you keep losing.

Not being able to cut your losses at a reasonable time will kill you in the stock market.

As of what you should do at this point, well, at %40 you're fucked good, it might turn into %80 loss though, and it might never go back up to even %40, or it might take several months or years. However this is some penny stock you were buying, these companies are not exactly reliable whatsoever, there's a much higher chance this shit will crash for good rather than if it was a big name corporation.

Personally I would have sold a long time ago, and if I were you I would still sell it.

>> No.300532

>>300302
Company has been burning through $30 something million a year. If you still believe the company will make the world a better place, hold onto it for another 10 years. Then if it gets no better or you don't break even by then, dump it.

>> No.300536

>>300365
>>300380
>>300532
Thanks for the advice, especially on that long post, I really took it to heart. Since I don't actually have THAT much in ONVO, I'll probably hold onto it and see what happens.

>> No.300806

If anyone wants a risky play I'd buy some PHOT. it's just come back from a joke suspension so it shat its pants and dropped 60% as is standard for this.

However if you look at CANN for example odds are its going to recover at least 30% in the next few days.

i'm already invested because I'm the fucking idiot who thought this would go higher but whatever.

>> No.300813

>>300806
Eh I think the marijuana stock phase has run its course. Fun stock to watch though.

>>300302
Remember, all of bio and 3d printing got #rekd this year and is barely starting to slow down. Whether or not you hold is your call

>> No.300910
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300910

Recent trading book purchases. All mostly talking about stuff I already know, but it's good practice to read again and have it explained slightly differently, also some nuggets here and there, would recommend.
Trader Vic seems to be the most complete, technical, fundamental, risk management and psychology, attitude and so on.
Trades About To Happen mostly balls to the walls technical, no risk management or anything. Haven't read the other two much yet.

>> No.300911

>>300813

Anyone who had the balls to buy at open doubled their money. I do not have the sack for that shit though...

>> No.300915

>>300911
Got a pic of the chart? It all depends on the risk/reward and how much of total capital you're betting. Going "all in" in trading is just suicide.

>> No.300927

>>300915

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=PHOT#symbol=PHOT;range=1d

>> No.300945

PHOT is fucking stupid the trades were bouncing around up to 4 cents sometimes that spread is retarded and only clowns are trading it

>> No.300948

>>300945
It's just a delay. Pot heads are trading it so what else do you expect?

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300952

>>300948
no its not the stock is actually that stupid

>> No.301032

>>300952
I was just making a joke..

>> No.301170

>>300806
PHOT was up over 120% this morning.

Now that SEC has been lifted, think its wise to invest?

What about to invest into $CANN and $CANV?

>> No.301207

AAPL splitting 7-1.
Buy at current share prices when it dips back to the 525 range or wait till post split and buy then?

>> No.301315

CAMP is undervalued by $10/share! Scoop some up now, and win win win when it inevitably goes back to trading in the 25-30 range.

PLUG is a steal right now too.

Are any of you going to buy? Why? Why not?

>> No.301359

>>301315
>CAMP
I want Motley Fool to leave

>> No.301372

>tfw jumped into PLUG at $7.xx and should have sold when it hit $8 even

Fucking hate it when your shorts turn into longs just to recoup your money back.

I guess longs are meant for stubborn people who don't want to lose money in the market?

>> No.301381

Well, its finally happened.

There's a Bitcoin stalk now.

BTCS - BitCoin Shop Inc
Already up 30% today, lol

>> No.301398

>>301372
>longs are meant for stubborn people
Or patient, depending on how you look at it. Every loss or bad decision I've made in the market I can chalk up to being impatient.

>> No.301426

>>301359

I don't read the motley fool, I heard about CAMP from my father, who hasn't steered me wrong with his trading/investment advice yet. I respect your opinion though, so I'd like to know why you feel that way. Thanks!

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>tfw my salary is higher than all of these people combined

>> No.301466

watching PLUG like a hawk now, I think it's due for a pump.

>> No.301537

This may seem like a really stupid question but how do you know what stocks are good stocks to invest in? Any ways to get more insight into a good investment or is it more of an "intuition"

>> No.301555

>>301537
Research your ass off and invest without emotion

>> No.301568

>>301555
Ah cool, thanks
Is it a good idea to look at past performance and look for trends, or should you solely focus on current performance, Quarterly earnings, possible mergers and acquisitions etc

>> No.301586

>>301568
I never use more than the 52 week chart. Try to stay up to date on news and remember that no matter how successful YOU think a company is, all that matters is how they market it.

IE: Tesla's stock value is INSANE compared to how much revenue they generate. Yet here it is at 200$ a share while GM sits at 33.72 even though the volume of cars sold is staggeringly different.

>> No.301636
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301636

Anyone mine? I'm interested in dirty workers and clean money.

I just bought a mine in Africa (politically stable region). They mined a good amount of the first layer, which was mostly gold, in the past two years and now have been selling the gold and paying cash to the owners. Now they will be advancing into the second layer which is full of copper. $1.2bn copper reserve, and will be pulling out (estimated) $368.4mm of copper in 2014. If so, by the end of the year I'll have an excellent return. What should I look out for?

>> No.302309

>>301636

>"owns" over a billion in wealth
> asking for advice on /biz/

You mean you own a tiny part right?

>> No.302386
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302386

>>302309
Yeah, it's expensive.

The pic is from the first batch of Gold/Silver concentrate from the top layer of the earth. The second layer contains copper. I really want to get to the third layer because there is a lot of zinc. I think that will keep money flowing in for years to come. Management says in 2015 they will start mining the zinc.

>2015
>tfw you have have steady income

>> No.302425

>>302386
I do buziness in Africa. What part are you in? My connections are in Ghana.

I thought mines are damn near impossible to police.

>> No.302436

>>302425

The mine strike in SA may be felt in the platinum prices.

>> No.302442

>>302386
geologically that makes no sense, from what i'm aware of at least.

most commonly around gold deposits you'd find iron would you not?

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>>302309

The mine is in the middle of nowhere near the Red Sea. The government does a good job of policing the area to protect the interests of it's own people and management employs almost all local workers. I think the biggest danger to the operation is an earthquake. So what kind of business do you do in Ghana? There's lots of gold out there.

Pic related

>> No.302460

>>302452
How do you feel about being a filthy slaver, slaver?

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302481

>>302436
But how long will the strike last? A depression in the south would make mine operations pretty cheap I would think.

>>302442
Yeah, your right. The top layer is made of iron oxides (goethite, jarosite, hematite) with Au and Ag. The mine sits on what I think is a pretty typical volcanogenic massive sulfide ore deposit. You can see the main pit in the pic.

>> No.302483

>>302481
How do you feel about being a slaver, slaver?

>> No.302493
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302493

>>302483
I think my employees will be better off working at the mine than anything else. We pay them above average, they can eat as much as they want three times a day, and receive free housing and free medical services. Management thinks they will be better off with all their skills they learned after working at the mine, which will create a positive effect for society and build a prosperous community. So I guess you could say I feel happy about what I do.

Pic: A classroom for employees.

>> No.302498

>>302493
;)

>> No.302588
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302588

Is this game good for micro investments and newcomers to investing (I don't know anything practical about it)?
Does the game have small companies too?

>> No.303030
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303030

>>296453
>not shorting PRAN

>> No.303461

/biz/ shilling Investopedia and MarketWatch but not getting paid

>> No.303925

>>302452
I have connects to thier local government. Looking to start shipping in raw materials for trade. But the area is so damn corrupt that without the influence theres no money to be made

>> No.303962

>>293171
wipe can u explain hedging to me, btw ur an inspiration :3

>> No.304100

>>303925
I want to do business in another country, a shipping operation as well. Very profitable returns but it's hard to get a lot of money out of this country once you've made it. Will influence allow me to exchange more foreign money?

>> No.304102

>>303030

Milhouse Meme IPO

>> No.304772

I have to say, even though I don't like indicators, moving averages that start at a certain time of day/week/month did catch my eye quite often. (ie: weekly starts at the start of the trading week, not a seven day average, month started that month, yada yada)

Combine that with market opens/closes, pretty nifty stuff.

>> No.304780

>>304100
It really depends on the country mate. Of course exchange rate is important but mostly it's the securing of funds.

IE: I ship some metals to Ghana but then once the ship docks and we unload everything, there's a high risk that you can get all your shit stolen at gun point.

Thats why you work with the local government to help reduce tariffs and get some muscle.

>> No.305483

>>293151
OP you fucking retard, don't put forex in with you bunch of kids playing pretend.

>> No.305511

Market opens tomorrow and I'm ready to lost a fuck-ton of money because of the Russia/Ukraine conflict and new sanctions.

You're retarded if you buy anything right now, everything went down.

>> No.305522

>>305483
What are you losing your shirt on? Also nice spike in precious metals on Friday.

>> No.305666

>>305511
You should have been buying into RUSS if you follow volatility.

>> No.306029

>Biotech is shit they said
>Massive loses they said
>AZN blasting off again...

Gonna be a two bagger at this rate...Haven't even been taken over yet.

>> No.306189

>>306029
I think we came to the conclusions biotech hit bottom after a month of buttravaging

>> No.306192

So, buy AAPL now or hope for a dip before June?

>> No.306213

what happened I can't trade anymore?

>> No.306214

>>306192
I don't ever follow AAPL but big stocks like that tend to move with the market.

>> No.306217

How do you guys deal with your country's capital gains tax? Just live with it?

>> No.306223

>>306217
Either hold for over a year or just set aside 33% of all profits for tax purposes

>> No.306225

>>306217
It's taxed as income tax over here. Pretty damn sweet.

>> No.306303

>>306225
>Pretty damn sweet.

Not here. CGT is 10% while income is at least 20%. Gets closer when you make more money but it's still a few % lower.

>> No.306304

>>306214
I don't either but AAPL announced a 7-1 split in June. This is a good opportunity for a long term

>> No.306359

my plug profits are shrinkinggggggg

been on holiday for the past 2 weeks this is a disgrace

>> No.306360

Stupid question of the thread because I am stupid and don't know jack shit.

What top 5 stocks represent the market as a whole? I know its the Dow Jones and Nasdaq, but what their symbols?

When I put in DJIA into my trading platform nothing populates.

I found NDAQ which I thought was the Nasdaq, but this is only at $36 which I know isnt right.

What are the symbols for the Nasdaq, DJ, and S%P500?

What about things like QQQ, SPY, DIA?

>> No.306365

>>306360
I currently have as my top watchlist which I know isnt right

NDAQ
QQQ
SPY
UVXY
SVXY
DIA
SPXU

I know the UVXY is for volitile stocks, and SVXY is its inverse - so doesnt SVXY also represent how stable the market is doing?

>> No.306379

>>306365
What about NDX?

>> No.306392
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306392

For people who invested in their own industries, how did you leverage your industry knowledge against your financial knowledge to decide on companies to invest in? My profession is in biotech/health, so I picked biotech companies whose products/research I believed would be successful (and some gambles), but that will likely work against me if biotech as a whole gets hammered.

Now I don't mind rollercoaster rides that much, but things like pic related compared to last week >>295370 make me wonder if I should expect that kind of volatility.

>> No.306405

haha AMD die.

>inb4 but my buy in price.

>> No.306418

>AMD going back down
When buy back? 3.5?

>> No.306431

>>306418
3.32$ brah. 3.50 is a nice entry too

>> No.306447

Never get amd.. literally nothing new and drops 4% I suppose it is technically a penny stock

>> No.306450

>>305522
Because the forex threads had actual traders and no one wanted to be mixed in with you fags, keep 'em seperate.

>> No.306452

>>306447
I've done the Wipe AMD pump and dump twice now. Been rolling the profits each time to the next buy and sell its a pretty solid gamble.

>> No.306455

>>306431
Hey Wipe, could you help answer my questions?

>>306360
>>306365
>>306379
>what top 5 stock tickers determine the movement of the stock market?

>> No.306466

>>306455

im not an indian billionaire but heres why i use

SPY
QQQ
IWM
SMH
XLF
DIA
USO
IYR
GLD
UUP
TLT

>> No.306473

>>306455

Currencies, among other things, also move the stock market.

>> No.306484

>>306392
What do you think of CUR?

>> No.306490
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306490

It's going to be a great week guys.

>> No.306495

>>306466
so DIA = Down Jones Industrial Average?
DJIA did not populate for me

What is the difference between $GLD and $GOLD? I use /GC to monitor gold prices

Thanks for your list. I guess SPY and QQQ are apart of the giant market but Im not sure why.

What about IWM, SMH, XLF, USO, IYR, UUp, TLT - I am not familiar with these?

>> No.306507

>>306495

If you don't know what SPY and QQQ are, do your own research. Literally, do your own fucking homework.

>> No.306511

>>306507
Stay classy.

>> No.306517

>>306511

Stay needy.

>> No.306522

>>306495
Fuck you so much. Dumbass.

>> No.306529

>>306359
I hear ya. I bought in on a large dip, but didn't expect this to happen. The walmart deal alone will bring the stock up really high, but in the short term this thing is getting slaughtered. If you're holding for the long-term it'll be fine. Tons of profitable deals are made and will continue to be made, the profits will come.

>> No.306583

>>306431
As if you sold any on the last move. You've been bag holding AMD for months and the only time you ever did sell is for a loss.

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306626

>>306529

Nice.

bought another 500 at 4.50 earlier

>>306495
Those last ones are mostly different sectors, but yeah that other guy is right, its very much worth doing your own research. we dont learn by being spoonfed unfortunately

>> No.306629

Wednesday will be my first day of trading futures live. Wish me luck.

>> No.306638

>>306629

Break both your legs and get margin called with an outstanding debt.

>> No.306779

>>306629
Good luck mate

>> No.306795

>>306779
Thanks.

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>>293151
bought JNUG @ close... All in.

>> No.306805

>>306803
What are you expecting to happen tonight>

>> No.306813
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306813

>>306805
Not sure if tonight, but this week IMO precious metals and commodities will skyrocket.

>> No.306822

>>306803
Ive been in at JNUG since 21.88.

Been waiting for it to go up

>> No.306844

>>306392
Start by comparing fundamentals of companies that you personally know to other companies in the industry to get a feel for how the industry is valued. Read industry journals and trade reports. Use your knowledge of things outsiders aren't aware of and buy when you think the stocks are undervalued and sell when they are expensive. It's easier to get information first if you know where to look.

>> No.307084

>>306813
Lol no they won't.

>> No.307119
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307119

Is it worth investing in land that's in poor areas? Rural/Detroit/etc? I'm looking in areas of Idaho and Wyoming.

I have the money to buy a small amount of acreage, but don't know anything about property investing.

>> No.307122

>>307119
Buy land, put solar panel down. use energy to pay for solar panel selling back to electric company. Buy another one. Repeat until land is covered with panels. Continuous income

>> No.307129

>>307084
FOMC meeting Wed. Precious golds and JNUG to skyrocket

>> No.307138

>Implying poor randoms on an image board can get better information than mulch-millionaire property and stocks investors.
lol, if anything you're just going to get swindled

the finance business is all about connections and knowing people.

value isn't assigned by the market, most of the time it's arbitrary.

>media report: OHH LOOK AT *INSERT AREA* THE PROPERTIES ARE SKYROCKETING!! BUY NOW!! BIG VALUE!!
in reality it's just rich people telling the media to advertise a specific area so they can sell their houses or properties or land for over the market prices to clueless first home buyers or whatever.

>> No.307151

>>307138

Any smart person knows this. Doesn't mean the average anon can't help out his fellow man. No one here owns HTF machines either, but that doesn't mean trading or investing is useless.

>> No.307164

>>307119
Not really. Lots of that land has ton of back taxes owed plus you need to pay property tax. If you want to know about investing in land. Create a thread and I'll post in it with my findings here in Texas.

>>307129
Assuming they don't continue with taper?

>>307138
Actually you can follow property value pretty easily. Also knowing people in city planning helps. Especially if you buy property in an area soon to be acquired by the government for highway expansions. This is what rich people do because we know the common man doesn't have the funds to buy our land.

>> No.307184

>>306629
LOL Itll be one the most volatile days of the year with the upcoming fed meeting. Careful my friend.

>> No.307232

>>306484
CUR is a bit of gamble. Without having to move to /sci/, I'll say that their therapeutic approach is rather rare (though it might become more common as we finally move away from the anti-stem cell legislation). I don't expect any huge gains in the near future (about a year) since they just started Pre-clinical and Phase I clinical trials for most of their "products" (which are easy to "pass"). The Phase II trials for their main product just started a few months ago, so I don't expect those results until around 2015.

GERN used to do similar research, but stopped after it was becoming too expensive. BTX bought the rights to continue the research, but so far nothing has come out of it. I haven't seen anything particularly exciting in academia or in related companies (e.g. ACTC). I won't put in a sizable amount in until I see results from any of these labs, which will likely predict the efficacy of the other approaches.

>>306844
That's what I'm trying to do, but I guess I'm still too inexperienced to do it well.

>> No.307241

>>301636

Holy shit I want to put a bunch of third worlders to work and have them make me money

>> No.307242

>>307232
I expect great results with this one. I've seen some of the blogs from people who are in the study and they've said how greatly beneficial the treatment is. Like the best they've ever felt since getting the disease. It looks very promising.

>> No.307244
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307244

AUDCAD reversal?

>> No.307304

>>307242

>ive seen blogs from people who are in the study

>looks very promising

Jesus you are dumber than fuck.

>> No.307325

DDD reporting earnings tomorrow. There used to be a lot of hype for 3D printer stocks around here, what are the predictions?

I hold Xone so I'm hoping they have a good dasy.

>> No.307360

>>307164
Yellen going full psychopath.

With Russia bullshit and China hoarding gold and Mexico fucking shit up

Calling it know

>> No.307400

>>307304
Don't really see how you can make that assumption. People who are in the study are documenting how their experience has been throughout the study. They've been saying they've noticed themselves improving and their quality of life also improving. Don't see how that makes me dumber than fuck.

>> No.307420

>>307360
Yellen is going to get up, piledrive her own mexican head straight onto a giant slab of gold before giving herself a concussion and Dan Rathers fills the chair.

>> No.307431

>>307420
As soon as Dan Rathers takes chair, he is instantly shot by a radical feminist Muslim Transgendered Jew from a previous episode of 60 minutes
>the next position goes to Tracy Morgan
>people start talking about how there's too many black people in the White House

>> No.307477

>>306844

> work in healthcare
> only stock with decent gains (20%) is healthcare

at last I truly see...

Might get involved with abbvie, they are doing a few trials using our pathology diagnostic system and got a feeling. Shame I didnt get this feeling before azn merger talk.

>> No.307486

>>307244

please respond

>> No.307711 [DELETED] 

>>307304

>Blogs

No you are the dumb fuck to assume. I bet you assume your stocks are going to the moon also.

I literally analyze the blood samples they take from a small selection of trials.

>> No.307746

>>307244
AUD is rising, but so is CAD. Not a good pair to trade right now IMO.

>> No.307838

So I made my first orders.

Going long on /es if it goes down to 187000 and going long on /cl if it goes down to 10120. 2 contracts on each.

>> No.307863

>>307400

They are being paid for that blog, you fucking moron. No one who wants something to get accepted and sold is gonna say "ehhh, not lookin good today m8"

THEY WILL ALWAYS TRY TO SELL IT REGARDLESS

>> No.307870

I have an annuity where I pay X amount annually for 10 years.

I get Y amount at the end of the annuity.

The annuity matures at year 15.

How do I calculate the interest rate?

>> No.307871

>>307870
I'm not doing your math homework for you

>> No.307872

>>307871
It's something from an insurance products brochure.

>> No.307938

>>307360
If you think so. Historically gold hasn't performed well during these meetings. Seems that gold can't make up it's mind

>> No.307961

ah cool PLUG is crashing again there goes all my profits lel

>> No.307975
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307975

really thought DDD was going to drag XONE down farther and now I'm in a loser short.

might just give up today market looks flat anyways.

>> No.307982

Anyone know much about $PAL?

I bought in at 0.58 and now I'm thinking I fucked up.

>> No.307984

>NQ
>no audit

im on suicide watch

>> No.307985

>>307938

>not realizing that the fed reserve has artificially inflated golds price

>> No.307988

>>307984
NQ and PLUG are dead. they're hype stocks and people have been looking for the next thing for a while. I knew NQ was done when I saw it make the IBD 50 a week or so ago. That company is too desperate for attention.

>> No.308011

>tfw we hit bump limit

>> No.308078

>>307988
Plug isn't dead. From the walmart deal alone they will be profitable and will have a double digit stock price. That is from 1 deal, they have made more this year and recently got a deal with Hyundai which will possibly be a joint venture. They issued more shares to increase capital to continue more ventures. It sucks in the short term, but in the long term patient investors will be rewarded.

>> No.308081

>>308078
but dont they lose money for every unit they sell

>> No.308085

>>308081
The fixed costs are too high. They weren't selling enough to cover the fixed cost and the variable costs, but with more and more deals being announced and increased in orders they will be profitable this year. They've also found ways to reduce costs in the production of their units. They're becoming more efficient.

>> No.308087

>>308085
nice to hear. are the figures out there?

thanks

might buy some more today because im bored as fuck

>> No.308092

>>308087
I read it somewhere, but can't remember where. I know if you have a stocktwits account you can check out Michael Bigger. He's been investing in Plug for years and is a very successful investor. He posts little insights and the occasional article that makes it clear how Plug will be a winner, not in the short term, but in the long term. He's also been promoting APP for a long time and it's had an amazing turnaround. The VP at Plug is presenting at a conference today so hopefully more good news will come.
Also to note one stupid thing about this company is everyone is expecting them to provide batteries for cars and are always mad when they don't announce it. They never said they would make cars but people assume they will which is why they're always being compared to Tesla. They make forklift batteries, not car batteries, yet. Who knows down the road they may.

>> No.308094

>>308092
yeah its fking retarded the amount of articles that fill my newsfeed about how plug cant compete with tesla

what is this shit, they're not even trying to.

>> No.308100

>>308094
Exactly. The only thing they have in common is they both make batteries. Shit may as well call Duracell into this fight as well.

>> No.308524

>>307982
Are you that dude in the thread like two months ago. I said I was going to go all in with you and you tried to talk me out of it and I did it anyways.

Stand strong brother we will bounce back.

>> No.308825

>>308078
when do you think I should buy plug? Sorry newfag here. What's your opinion of Onvo? Been following it for a while but don't know if I should buy.

>> No.309579

>>308825
>when should I buy PLUG
Might as well buy it now. if you believe in this company, it'll be a long term investment. It's at about $5/share now. It may go down more it may not, but if you're hoping for it to break $10/share again, it'll take some time.

>> No.309884

>>308825
What happened to ONVO today?