/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.29303147]

Ledger vs Trezor? which one is better?

[Anonymous No.29303259]

>>29303147
ledger was supposedly more secure but that shitty french company does NOT respect your data and does NOT care about the major leak they just had

only profits.

Buy from trezor, they keep your data for the period of time stated in their privacy policy (90days) and they're not a corporate piece of shit company

[Anonymous No.29303357]

>>29303259
Explain this leak I bet you’re talking out your ass

[Anonymous No.29303520]

>>29303357
ledger kept customer data including emails and addresses, full names, phone numbers for over 4 years even after purchase

Even i was affected by it, fortunately used a proxy address

the people that had their data leaked are getting nonstop calls, sms messages, sim swaps and emails because they allegedly have crypto (because they ordered a ledger)

all ledger has done since their stupid piece of shit database was leaked was say "oops sorry guys take care of yourselves"

there's a subreddit that wants to sue em that got quite big right after the leak but as always it's very poorly organized (r/ledgerwalletleak)

google a bit before saying im talking out of my ass you dumb nigger

[Anonymous No.29303654]

>trezor
>no secure enclave chip
ngmi
https://blog.kraken.com/post/3662/kraken-identifies-critical-flaw-in-trezor-hardware-wallets/

[Anonymous No.29303666]

>>29303520
You could simply get past this by not buying using all your personal info. Which I’m sure you already did which is why you’re such a trezor shill. If you fall for any of the scam emails you deserve to lose your coins faggot. Both are flawed in their own ways and trezor isn’t immune to any leak either since their “non-corporate.”

[Anonymous No.29303774]

>>29303666
>missing the point this fucking hard

[Anonymous No.29303842]

>>29303654
requires physical access, dont just leave your hardware wallet iwth thousands of dollars laying around

>>29303666
i barely used any info, only thing ive got is spam emails and no im not gonna fall for that, i basically grew up on the internet like pretty much my whole generation

and im not a trezor shill for any other reason than the fact that ledger does not give a fuck about their customers, but sure, by all means, go trust them after they just had 2 database leaks (theirs and then shopify's), it sounds like a very smart idea you fucking imbecile

[Anonymous No.29303863]

>>29303774
>Acting like trezor is immune to leaks

[Anonymous No.29304078]

>>29303147
ledger, if u lose it u wont be shitting bricks cuz someone can hack into it like if u had trezor

[Anonymous No.29304162]

>>29303666
He is 100% a trezor shill and makes these threads multiple times a day. Thankfully they usually only get 4-6 replies.

also nice get.

[Anonymous No.29304242]

>>29304162
i have literally never posted about trezor

i just care about data privacy and happened to stumble upon this thread

in fact i DONT EVEN have a trezor

[Anonymous No.29304259]

>>29304078
also if someone takes it by force or steals it u can just laugh at them, and by force I mean even ur state/gov which is big possibility in the next years

[Anonymous No.29304275]

>>29303357
The leak that lead to shit loads of these texts and emails. Our addresses got leaked too and people were getting threatened with violent force. It was a shitty situation. The device is good though.

[Anonymous No.29304368]

>>29303357
>Explain this leak I bet you’re talking out your ass
The worst part is that the database has been leaked and is available for anyone who wants to use it

[Anonymous No.29304460]

>>29303654
>>29304078
>>29304259
/end thread.

[Anonymous No.29304474]

>>29303147
For the millionth time, Trezor Model T

[Anonymous No.29304592]

>>29303147
Every faggot that owns a ledger is annoying as fuck. Trezor is the choice of true men.

[Anonymous No.29304595]

General tips on keeping your shit safe anons? I have a nano s on the way I plan on keeping in a safe hidden in my wall lol
What's the wallet.bat thing?

[Anonymous No.29304648]

>>29304078
>lose your cold storage wallet
What the fuck are you even doing?

[Anonymous No.29304790]

>>29303863
>pretending like having a leak is totally fucking meaningless when it comes to trusting a company with your data

neck yourself

[Anonymous No.29304811]

>>29304078
Can't you just get another one and use your seed phrase?

[Anonymous No.29305057]

>>29304648
>swat team busts ur doors cuz (((they))) know u been shitposting on chinese cartoon forum about how much shit in crypto u have
>they take ur wallet, bust ur face, hack into it and put u in jail

one example what can happen, would u rather have a wallet that cannot be hacked or one that can be in 15 minutes or less?

so many things can go wrong, someone can steal it, or it can be taken away by gov if u keep it somewhere "safe" like bank or u can just fucking lose it

at this point I think jannies are just shilling trezor cuz they can hack into it

dont get me wrong I would love for trezor to do good, its a local company, but fuck me dude, I aint putting my shit on something that can be hacked into, I want a cold storage that only I can get into, why would I compromise all the hard work by storing it in something like trezor, at that point just use metamask lmao

[Anonymous No.29305160]

JESUS FUCKIN CHRIST YOU GUYS STOP PAYING FOR THIS OVERPRICED BULLSHIT JUST GET A FIVE DOLLAR THUMB DRIVE AND MAKE YOUR WALLETS IN TAILS

[Anonymous No.29305165]

>>29304811
yes but if u lose it and someone hacks into it before u secure it u are fucked, thats the point

[Anonymous No.29305310]

>>29305160
Thats not a hardware wallet though, but an electronic paper wallet, call a shovel for what it is plz

[Anonymous No.29305500]

>>29305160
Holy fucking shit kill yourself you absolute dunning krutard

[Anonymous No.29305610]

>>29305310
You can't send funds from a paper wallet lmao

[Anonymous No.29305892]

>>29305160
a normal USB storage device does not have integration with metamask, etc

[Anonymous No.29305950]

>>29303147
Safepal

[Anonymous No.29306119]

>>29303147
just got both ledgers (from amazon, LOL) and have owned several trezors for years. if the ngrave thing is ever released i will buy one and post here about all 3 and answer questions

tldr buy a trezor model T FROM THE OFFICIAL STORE. TREZOR WILL DELETE YOUR PURCHASE DATA AFTER 3 MONTHS AND YOU CAN BUY WITH MONERO. Also get a cryptosteel backup(cobo wallet plus is the cheapest one, i like them - the capsule ones from cryptosteel are bretty gud/10 too), or get metal plates and a stamping kit which is cheapest if you end up making multiple backups in the long run.

I have security concerns about the ledgers because they're very clearly built for normies and marketed towards normies. Their marketing actually is my biggest gripe. Ledger, if you're reading this, please cut the fucking arrogance out and just do everything it is in your power to make the thing secure. You're too cool for tamper evident packaging because muh secure element, wow cool thanks I'll totally just trust you now. My ledger nano x had fucking fingerprints on it when I got it. I download your app and I cant verify binaries because you don't post the info for me to do so, how do I know its ok? Your app of unknown authenticity has verified the authenticity of my device, but I cant verify this elsewhere as far as I can tell. Plus the app is buggy as shit. Your documentation is also bad and marketed towards normies. Just do a wiki like trezor ffs. Yeah I can find the serial in the device menus but I believe the only way to verify is contact support and they will probably tell me to get fucked. Its nice that you make me verify the firmware hash though. I was kind of surprised this part wasn't also hidden. The above complaints are, in reality, still minor because the app has to be compromised in addition to supply chain (they pretend this is impossible tho which I don't like). Built in wifi is sketch asf. App sucks. Sketch marketing for normies. Otherwise its ok same as trezor 10/10bretty gud:DD

[Anonymous No.29306166]

>>29303147
Which one allows you to lock your price in?

[Anonymous No.29306229]

I carried my ledger s nano with me through whole of south east asia last year. Never had any stress. Bought a trezor lost it after going to the store...That shit weights like 4.5 grams and will fall out of your pocket.

[Anonymous No.29306289]

>>29305160
I don't think you understand anything about these devices anon

[Anonymous No.29306468]

>>29306119
trezor concerns
>maybe durability problems only slightly moreso than ledgers, but you can go into commandline and still use it if the screen breaks unlike ledger as far as i am aware
>firmware updates sometimes fuck up obscure cones, same w/ ledger tho i'd imagine but haven't experienced this
>that's all i can think of, trezor model t is really good fucking get one if you can only get one wallet
>if you want a wallet for only btc get a coldcard probably, check out their shit and decide whats best for you regardless

[Anonymous No.29306494]

>>29306229
clearly shows you cared more about one than the other anon

[Anonymous No.29306497]

>>29305057
This person has a great point. I want trezor to make it as well. There previous models can be hacked and hoping their nextgen model with have a secure element chip like a real hardware wallet should have. Until then, the fucking thing is compromised. Trezor, you guys need to make a model Z with a secure element chip, please.

[Anonymous No.29306689]

Use tails retards

[Anonymous No.29306760]

>>29305160
You do realize there is this physical hardware button you have to push on the hardware wallet to make a send transaction happen that makes it far more superior than software wallets right anon? Especially when normies dont know shit about software wallets. That single press of a button will save them from losing all their crypto coins. Its an essential device when you make it and are a cryptomillionaire. You start to worry because you are your own bank. Stay poor with your shitcoins and not having foresight. When you do make it, put it in a hardware wallet.

[Anonymous No.29306787]

>>29306497
>>29305057
>>29304078
>>29303654
>muh secure element prevents hacking in the event of physical access to the device

this is so fucking dishonest please kill yourself, on zero previous occasions have i ever suggested this to an anon on 4chan. french marketing fags.

[Anonymous No.29306957]

>>29306760
the solution he is advocating is the same thing as a hardware wallet ; you sign on the airgapped tails computer and migrate the signed transaction to a web connected machine to send it. you don't need a hardware wallet to do this but the wallets are nice time savers. if you are serious about your security you should be investigating all of these options and finding the ones that u are most happy with.

[Anonymous No.29306971]

>>29303654
>https://blog.kraken.com/post/3662/kraken-identifies-critical-flaw-in-trezor-hardware-wallets/

>The attack requires just 15 minutes of physical access to the device

anybody coming to my house will trip and die in midst of a shit ton of waste

[Anonymous No.29307190]

>>29306787
naser si kundo, nejsem zadnej pojidac zab
trezor je proste mrdka dokud nebude secure

as for u glowie faggot, ofc u never suggested that before, u werent allowed by higher up jannies but now u r mad so u broke the rules

I suggest for any1 who takes security seriously to get a wallet that cannot be hacked into, doesnt matter which brand

[Anonymous No.29307202]

>>29306787
>>muh secure element prevents hacking in the event of physical access to the device
so....you are saying its ok to have a hardware wallet without a secure enclave chipset to not prevent hacking?
>>29303654
Anon...I

[Anonymous No.29307288]

since im convinced the ppl that make these things actually post in these threads i'll just spell it out : i wouldn't trash ledger so much if it wasn't for the arrogance and dishonesty in your marketing

[Anonymous No.29307414]

>>29305950
Chink backdoor

[Anonymous No.29307431]

>>29307190
kokot

[Anonymous No.29307502]

Why not both and split your coins so that in the worst case you lose only half?

[Anonymous No.29307559]

>>29307190
>get a wallet that cannot be hacked into
and i'll say it again. this is dishonest. physical access to ANY DEVICE NO MATTER THE BRAND means the device can be broken into. there is only more and less safe in this regard, no perfect solution. attempting to prevent physical access and a device that is intended to brick itself when tampered with (ngrave will do this) are the best bets.
>>29307202
no device is safe with physical access. stop lying or stop being a retard.

[Anonymous No.29307591]

>>29305160
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Anonymous No.29307671]

>>29306957
Anon, normies arent gonna fuckin know what even a faraday cage is from a tinfoil hat. They are not autistic like paper wallet anon, you, or I. We need them to make it with us. They need a simple caveman approach. Trezor, safepal, ledger, and the rest are hardware wallets that address the complexities that you described. Also my software wallets are for shit that isnt supported, normies will not be investing in whats not supported. They buy their bitcoins on robinhood and think they are going to make it until they try to use their hardware wallet. The smarter normies will be buying on coinbase but limited to those supported coins. But even then coinbase isnt the cryptoexchange to use.

[Anonymous No.29307748]

>>29303147
>/lvt/ ledger vs trezor daily

[Anonymous No.29307818]

>>29307502
>losing coins ever
is that possible with these shit things? Why not use a paperwallet then where they cant be lost? Costs 1 cent compared to these fucking 100+ dollar gadgets

[Anonymous No.29307915]

>>29307671
>They need a simple caveman approach.
i agree with this 100% and obviously someone should try to fill the niche like ledger is doing. they should not be dishonest, however. again this is 100% my biggest issue w/ them. obviously i bought the product and am using it so i have to trust it to some degree. everyone is guilty of this to some degree, trezor is just doing it less and if you're reading threads on biz you're probably smart enough to figure out all of its features and use it correctly w/ minimal prerequisite knowledge.

[Anonymous No.29307929]

>>29307559
>physical access to ANY DEVICE NO MATTER THE BRAND means the device can be broken into

I will give u my wallet, if u can get into it, u keep all of it ok? I dont think u know how this shit works .. these devices are so "dumb" u cannot hack into them, thats the whole point of having one

can it be done theoretically? maybe
has it ever happened? no, except trezor hack

[Anonymous No.29308103]

the failure to understand how keys work in this thread is actually somewhat disgusting. Top isn't quite in yet but hope most of you who aren't brain damaged see what's coming.

Also buy a trezor because ledger doxxed everyone
t. owns a ledger

[Anonymous No.29308282]

>>29307929
>these devices are so "dumb" u cannot hack into them
cool lies
>can it be done theoretically? maybe
its a yes and you obviously know it can be done so stop lying. its amazing to me that anyone would lie about this given how its not a simple thing to do and there aren't even a large set of ppl that can do it, requires physical access, etc, etc, etc. if you're scared about someone getting into your device if they have physical access the solution isn't MUH SECURE ELEMENT, but rather its buy a gun, say you were afraid for your life, and magdump home invaders you fucking nigger.

[Anonymous No.29308283]

>>29307288
>>29306787
>>29306468
>>29306119
>>29307559
>trezor shill doing damage control
hahahhahaha man you are getting so triggered like a shabbos goy. Makes me laugh when a pro trezor thread goes fuckin tits up. I feel like IDF, winning is awesome. I am not french, do not work for ledger, my information did get leaked from their website exploited, come find me. But hearing you shill trezor as badly as you do, please do a commit on their github and ask for a secure element chip. I will buy one when they do. Seethe

[Anonymous No.29308293]

>>29308103
So the only choices are the company that lets you get doxxed or the company that uses vulnerable hardware. Brilliant.

[Anonymous No.29308417]

>>29303666
trips of retardation

[Anonymous No.29308490]

>>29308293
>So the only choices are the company that lets you get doxxed or the company that uses vulnerable hardware. Brilliant.
In all honestly its fuckin come to that point. I might look into that chink safepal one.

[Anonymous No.29308531]

Trezor allows you to lock your grain in, so Trezor wins out.

[Anonymous No.29308550]

>>29308282
I am honestly interested how it can be done, can you explain it to me? u have my interest I am genuinely waiting .. thats a bilion dollar hack right here anon

[Anonymous No.29308558]

>>29308293
>So the only choices are the company that lets you get doxxed or the company that uses vulnerable hardware. Brilliant.
there are other choices in the thread
>ngrave soon tm though probably not really i'm pretty sure its vaporware
>coldcard
>ellipal (chingchong and questionable)
>tails, airgapped machine, etc, there are good medium articles about how to go all out with this google them
>i think cobo has a wallet in addition to selling physical backups but i have no knowledge of the quality or origin and i wont google it for you

[Anonymous No.29308621]

>>29308550
read the trezor article you posted maybe lol

[Anonymous No.29308701]

>>29307818
>paperwallet

I remember reading some badly written wiki seething over paperwallets for pages, accompanied with pictures of water damaged shreds of paper because clearly laminating your shit is rocket science.

[Anonymous No.29308721]

>>29308621
I havent posted shit, as for that article, it only applies to trezor THATS THE WHOLE POINT ANON

[Anonymous No.29308848]

>>29303147
>Ledger vs Trezor? which one is better?

They're both good.

Look at what tokens they both support and make your choice based on that.

The rest is just autistic screetching from both sides.

[Anonymous No.29308903]

what happens if you drop your trezor in a glass of water just as you are about to lock your gains in?

does it have ip68 rating for maximum gains lock in security?

[Anonymous No.29308960]

ledger slips more easily into the pooper for safekeeping (and pleasure)

[Anonymous No.29309002]

>>29308960
this guy gets it
/thread

[Anonymous No.29309197]

>>29308721
>I havent posted shit, as for that article, it only applies to trezor
my mistake, and no it doesn't only apply to trezor. you can do similar procedures or the electron microscope meme to any device you have physical access to. i'm just repeating myself but you really wont seem to give up on the reality that if someone is in possession of an electronic device it is not secure. this is a fact please accept it and plan accordingly.

[Anonymous No.29309207]

>>29307818
Paper wallets are not safe to use with metamask

[Anonymous No.29309488]

>>29303147
metamask with your seed and password stored up your ass

[Anonymous No.29309595]

>>29303147
trezor is open sourced, for that reason alone it should be trusted over ledger.

[Anonymous No.29309632]

>>29309197
look up ledger hacks, there is reason no one was able to do it yet, atleast publicly

device is too dumb to hack, if someone finds a way, that is huge dealbreaker and its better to just wipe wallet after each use

[Anonymous No.29309643]

>>29303357
Is it so hard to fucking use google? KYS retard.

[Anonymous No.29309664]

>>29308283
take your meds, both are just slightly better paper wallets.

[Anonymous No.29309712]

frens I use 24 words on ledger and 12 words on t1 (trezorctl), have my linkies 50/50 between them.
Would it be wise to generate 12 words on trezor and restore ledger with them? this way I only have 12 words (easier to hide and memorize), and got everything on ledger.
I use a passphrase of course, a difficult one, whether on ledger on trezor.

[Anonymous No.29309751]

>>29303147
ledger if you use false info when buying (and preferably shipped to a PO box or an amazon storage locker or some shit)

[Anonymous No.29309787]

>>29308903
recover using the seed

[Anonymous No.29309935]

>>29309632
what is your argument, that because no one has done it it can't happen? my position is physical access = something bad can happen and no matter the device safety of funds is not a guarantee. and again, i think its bizarre to dispute this given someone physically getting access is a very special security issue to begin with. you've fucked up bigly if someone has stolen your hardware and should have done things to prevent it getting to that point in the first place if its something you're seriously concerned about.

[Anonymous No.29309975]

>>29309751
this is what i never understood about the ledger fiasco. if you buy one off of amazon, then wouldn't amazon need to be compromised in order for your information to get leaked? is the issue only for those that bought off of ledger's official website?

[Anonymous No.29310051]

What about Airgap It? Anyone try this out? https://airgap.it/

[Anonymous No.29310071]

I had a ledger gifted to me in 2018 with 500 usd btc on it that I'm trying to access. I updated the firmware and selected new wallet and it never asked me for my original pass phrase that came with the ledger when I updated the firmware.. is there a way to recover my btc because this shit shows my balance as 0 wtf guys can someone who knows how these work help an anon out?

[Anonymous No.29310241]

>>29309975
>then wouldn't amazon need to be compromised in order for your information to get leaked
Amazon sells used items as new, aka someone knows your seed phrase and you get rekt

[Anonymous No.29310293]

>>29309975
>is the issue only for those that bought off of ledger's official website?
yes that's currently the case but presumably the same thing could happen to amazon if you don't use fake info, buying from amazon also adds the risk of the device changing more hands before getting to you.

[Anonymous No.29310423]

>>29310241
>Amazon sells used items as new, aka someone knows your seed phrase and you get rekt
only true if you dont generate a new seed, other concern is fraudulent hardware that is backdoored somehow

[Anonymous No.29310451]

>>29309664
>take your meds
Fuck off Israel just because I call your shit out. I will even buy a trezor to keep it in business for all the daily trezor thread shilling and damage control they are doing. But you Israel, you mother fuckers I loathe the most. Kys you are the reason why normies are fleeing into crypto. Your fuckin Federal Reserve is printing dollars like the trezor anons doing damage control.

[Anonymous No.29310476]

>>29309935
I agree with you, but there might come up situation when u will be forced to hand it over, at that point its better feeling to have a wallet that hasnt been hacked yet isnt that right?

is it paranoid? yes
might it happen? yes
will it happen? depends

imagine u live in state where crypto is banned, and officials know u own crypto, if u remember ur seeds and phrases and have unhackable wallet there is no way they will get to it except u giving it to them willingly

I like to sleep with knowledge that a thief or official cannot access what is mine, this comes back to what a crypto is, I dont think people realize what kind of "magical technology" they are able to posses

as long as there is no known hack its all good

[Anonymous No.29310482]

>>29310241
>>29310293
damn that sucks then. what if you already have a 24 word key and you import that to your "new" ledger?

[Anonymous No.29310582]

>>29303259
I care about privacy, but Trezor is ugly so I still bought a ledger anyway. The company that leaked the data is not Ledger itself but a third party distribution service (Shopify).

[Anonymous No.29310739]

>>29310241
I just bought one from Amazon, it was shrink wrapped and there was no seed on it.
For anons here it's easy enough as a rule to return it if it was tempered with

[Anonymous No.29310772]

>>29310071
It's likely been reset and now you have a different wallet on it. Do you have the original 24 word seed phrase for the old wallet? If you do, you can just put it in another wallet to get your funds. Otherwise you're shit out of luck unless the guy who gave the device to you still has the seed phrase.

[Anonymous No.29310929]

>>29310772
yeah I still have the original passphrase.. can I just make a new metamask and connect it there?

[Anonymous No.29310977]

>>29310739
as someone that doesn't know much about ledger's, can you just generate a new 24 seed pass code once you receive your ledger or does it just come with one pre-installed? i know im stupid pls no bully. that's why my dumbass shouldn't be using a paper wallet

[Anonymous No.29311075]

>>29310977
You just have to reinitialize it and reset the seed if the ledger is leggit but already used. It has its own hardware RNG embedded into the chip. No hardware wallet is immune to counterfeit though.

[Anonymous No.29311158]

>>29310929
If you have the 24 word seed phrase, you should be able to just input it to any wallet, like electrum. Idk if ledger lets you input a seed phrase but if it does you could do that as well and then you have your wallet on your ledger.

[Anonymous No.29311168]

>>29310476
>but there might come up situation when u will be forced to hand it over, at that point its better feeling to have a wallet that hasnt been hacked yet isnt that right?
i'd consider my funds insecure in all cases if a hardware device was taken 100% srs. i also am hard pressed to imagine a context of this happening where you don't get your knees drilled out for the passphrase or just for laughs. if someone is forcing you to hand it over decoys, hiding shit, splitting/encoding your back up and just wiping your device after every transaction are better ways to mitigate. if i was worried about this i would do it. if someone stole it covertly i'd probably feel slightly better w/ no documented exploits (excluding electron microscope but that's a meme concern).

>>29310482
>what if you already have a 24 word key and you import that to your "new" ledger?
only risk is supply chain attack giving you fraudulent/backdoored hardware

[Anonymous No.29311285]

>>29311158
Ok thanks anon im gonna try now with metamask

[Anonymous No.29311306]

>>29310451
Literally take your meds, anon.

[Anonymous No.29311325]

>>29311075
so even if you did buy one that was used you can just generate a new seed? that's good at least.
i also see that on amazon that they are shipped by ledger. hopefully that minimizes the chance of a used one but i wouldn't be too sure
>>29311168
i mean, if you are buying one from ledger themselves then i would hope it doesn't have a backdoor. it seems like every piece of hardware you buy these days has some sort of backdoor/spyware shit on it

[Anonymous No.29311340]

>>29303666

[Anonymous No.29311429]

>>29311325
>i mean, if you are buying one from ledger themselves then i would hope it doesn't have a backdoor.
risk is possible but remote, i was talking about buying from amazon tho as the product will pass through more hands before getting you, thus raising the chance.

[Anonymous No.29311571]

>>29311325
I think there might be an usually high number of people who abuse amazon refurbishing service to send back ledger with already initialized seeds and attempt to scam less attentive clients (it's just an idea, not sure if this is true).

[Anonymous No.29311575]

>>29311285
if you're doing this w/ a hardware generated seed you should consider the seed to no longer have hardware level security since you are exposing it to w/e machine you're using metamask with.

[Anonymous No.29311627]

>>29311429
if i'm buying off of amazon but it says that the seller is ledger, does that mean that ledger ships it or does it mean that they ship out of some amazon warehouse and are simply partnered with ledger?
>>29311571
definitely worth resetting the seed to minimize that from happening

[Anonymous No.29311758]

>>29311575
yeah I realize that I don't use the metamask extension, I trust my PC is clean of keyloggers anyway but just to be safe I only access my existing metamask wallet through the phone app.

[Anonymous No.29311821]

>>29311575
Yeah but they could just send it from the old wallet to their new wallet and it'd be fine

[Anonymous No.29311944]

can someone explain why does anyone use these things? what's wrong with keeping your wallet in your pc and saving the private key on a piece of paper?

[Anonymous No.29312043]

Trezor but the T version.

>>29303654
Just put a pass phrase over it. Only the pin is crackable, not the pass.

[Anonymous No.29312072]

coinbase wallet app

[Anonymous No.29312101]

>>29311944
Interfacing with metamask. For example if I want to delegate GRT, I don't want to have to copy/paste my private key into metamask

[Anonymous No.29312121]

>>29311944
Extra layer of safety since your seed phrase is stored on a cold device and can't be exposed to software exploits.

[Anonymous No.29312241]

>>29311306
Not taking pills moshe! The moar you reply the moar I expose.

[Anonymous No.29312353]

>>29311627
>if i'm buying off of amazon but it says that the seller is ledger, does that mean that ledger ships it or does it mean that they ship out of some amazon warehouse and are simply partnered with ledger?
not 100% certain but i'm under the impression it goes to amazon before getting to you. ppl have also stated that you can get used items.

[Anonymous No.29312940]

>>29312241
I worry about you anon