>easy degrees are shit I got a degree in finance and it was so easy I didn't even have to study. I make almost as much as an engineer as a personal banker

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Anonymous Sat Feb 20 18:36:17 2021 No.29256759 [Reply] [Original]

>easy degrees are shit

I got a degree in finance and it was so easy I didn't even have to study.

I make almost as much as an engineer as a personal banker

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 18:39:05 2021 No.29256943 >>29256759 >degree

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 18:40:24 2021 No.29257029 >>29256759 Nice to anonymous internet man I'm god tier.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 18:42:48 2021 No.29257200
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>>29256759
you're missing the trades.
should have become a carpenter/welder like me.
100k at 21. put into bitcoin. become hermit farmer. survive the great kwetsching.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 18:44:32 2021 No.29257319 File: 64 KB, 200x201, Doomed.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>29256759 havent seen this list in literal YEARS wow its been updated a lot >TFW made the meh tier not too great, not too bad, just like my life

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 18:44:50 2021 No.29257340 The meme degrees at my uni were Hotel Management and Package Systems (e.g. how to design packaging like styrofoam or cardboard boxes).

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 18:47:40 2021 No.29257541 >>29256759 after reading through this list again, i have come to a conclusion a highschooler made it

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 18:51:53 2021 No.29257833 >>29256759 >The only thing in life that matters is how valuable you are to society Lol no, I'm going to have fun at university and persue a career in a field that I enjoy. Get fucked autistic STEMfags

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 18:53:14 2021 No.29257937

Chemistry is not god tier. I work in big pharma developing methods to analyze chemical impurities for production plants and the pay is shit and the hours are long. Only the top people live comfy lives.

I make 60k in northern California with a MS in chem.

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>International Relations degree cost 20k
>actually learned about how the world works
>work for the government basically for fun, since I earn 5x more through crypto than I do for work
>no stress, no chance of getting fired
>friend did actuarial, got an 80 average, had to pay for certification, works as a parking inspector

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:01:12 2021 No.29258431

>mech engineer
terrible degree choice in hindsight. the money isnt that good and certainly not worth the misery. I'm exposed to the worst of humanity through project engineering, when money is at stake people become even bigger pieces of shit. im a good trader so its a matter of days until I retire out of wagecucking.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:01:38 2021 No.29258464

>>29257340
I’ve heard package systems actually makes good money because of the demand since only boomers buy things in brick and mortar store anymore apparently.
>>29257937
That sucks bro, I made that much in NorCal doing manual labor. Consider moving to somewhere that isn’t the west coast.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:04:12 2021 No.29258627 >>29258431 I'm graduating next year and realized that there's no light at the end of the tunnel. Fortunately I have 10k chainLINK!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:05:05 2021 No.29258691 File: 1.16 MB, 1072x1198, 1585902047822.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >STEM

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:07:30 2021 No.29258821 File: 40 KB, 1078x720, 1610621373842.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>29256759 >You did microbiology? Sorry, we need a biochemist Said nobody ever. If you find somebody who cares then do me a favor and just laugh in their face.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:07:33 2021 No.29258822 Currently getting my degree in management information systems, how fucked am I lads?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:08:13 2021 No.29258860 >>29258431 I'm a first year Electrical Engineer. Do you have any advice on what path i should take?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:08:26 2021 No.29258879 >>29256759 computer engineer

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:09:49 2021 No.29258971 >wagecucked doing predictive groundwater modelling stem is not worth it, especially with the retarded minorities being imported to replace you

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:10:50 2021 No.29259037 >god tier: mathematics >shit tier: philosophy do your universities not have logic/computation programs under philosophy? is this really that uncommon?

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:11:39 2021 No.29259100

>>29258822
Just graduated from InfoSys (not management) and working in a gov department. The rotation starts with basic IT support but will be moving to the Project Management team in a few months. The salary is good at least, probably 3/4 of the way to a 6 figure salary within the decade but could be worse. InfoSys degrees are really underrated but let the mainstream go with IT, CompSci, etc, we've got the best of both worlds.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:11:56 2021 No.29259125 >check my degree >god tier i fucking wish

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:12:49 2021 No.29259181 >>29256759 Chemistry graduate reporting in.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:13:34 2021 No.29259236

“akshually electrical engineering is the best degree because you can get hired anywhere for anything because employers see that you have an electrical engineering degree and cum in their pants to hire you because you have the QUANTITATIVE SKILLS that every employer values for everything because akshually mathematics is the highest smart and everything is just math so if you think about it blablablablabla”

im in great tier and even i can tell this was written by an autistic STEMlord who probably finds a way to use the word ‘employability’ in every conversation

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:13:54 2021 No.29259258 >>29259100 That sounds pretty decent anon, thanks for the info. I feel better about my major now

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:15:11 2021 No.29259351 >>29258860 most of the pain comes from my dodgy employer. I recommend going full competitive asian mode with your studies. make grades the centre of your life then reaps the rewards later with great offers at prestigious companies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:15:23 2021 No.29259364 >>29257200 Welding? That’s for the stupid kids in school who choose not to go into the military

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:15:27 2021 No.29259372 >>29259236 STEMcels aren't even human compared to superior LAW AND ORDER CHADS

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:15:47 2021 No.29259383 >>29258431 im in school for mech, been thinking about switching gears for electrical, you have any thoughts on electrical engineering?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:16:53 2021 No.29259458 >>29258431 Why didn’t you do something technical with your degree? I unironically love mech engie, I’d never do project management with my degree

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:18:36 2021 No.29259556 File: 298 KB, 1035x1090, 1611903299178.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>29256759 >degree certified neet swingy

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:18:46 2021 No.29259567 >>29259351 Thanks. Is it better to go for engineering or finance? Or it that just down to personal preference?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:19:04 2021 No.29259583 >>29259364 Garbage welders get garbage jobs (building staircases, dumpsters, railings, etc.) Good welders make bank (pressure vessels, breweries, pipeline, nuclear)

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:20:38 2021 No.29259682 >>29259583 Or for full on insanity mode, underwater welding for the real big bucks. Extremely hazardous job tho.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:22:02 2021 No.29259788
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>>29257833

Seriously. Society doesn't reward you for it, so fuck society. >>29257937 busted his ass, went in debt or spent a ton of cash, actually got a job in his industry and he STILL takes home less than an uber eats driver once you factor in commute, morning prep, and the outsized tax benefit for business mileage.

Useful people get fucked. The government psyops you into these fields because they want to attract the best, so they cast a wide net. Half the STEMmies don't get to work in STEM, and the ones that do get fucked due to glut labor glut.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:22:15 2021 No.29259800

>>29256759
> finance degree
> posting with people making millions off meme shitcoin pump n dumps
The chart isn't measuring how much money you'll make. It's measuring how retarded you are. If you didn't go to college for finance you would understand that

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:23:13 2021 No.29259860

>>29259458
Due to location and pay. 80% of mechanical engineers where I live go into project engineering for mining companies. I was originally employed as a design engineer at my company but my role unfortunately evolved. I'm only two years into the wagecuck.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:23:25 2021 No.29259867 >>29256759 electrical engineer i good or great tier no eleccy is making more money than doctors

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:23:46 2021 No.29259893 >>29259100 That's what I did. Data analyst. Make 90% what a SWE does for 20% the effort. The SQL I learned a decade ago is still all I need.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:25:02 2021 No.29259983 >>29259567 preference obviously

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:26:44 2021 No.29260106 >>29259682 you will fuck up your body big time doing that, cant recommend it to anyone. the money isnt worth it

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:27:26 2021 No.29260140 >>29256759 tfw shit tier

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:29:50 2021 No.29260297 >tfw 6 figure accounting midwit chad

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:36:11 2021 No.29260705 >>29256759 I didn't go to school to earn money, I went to learn.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:40:49 2021 No.29260983 >>29257200 >bitcoin Opinion discarded

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:46:50 2021 No.29261387 The only two chad degrees are medicine and law. Anything else is virgin neckbeard engineer cope

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:52:51 2021 No.29261781 >>29261387 unfathomably based

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:53:48 2021 No.29261852 >>29256759 >god tier degree >unemployed and no skills don't fall for the uni meme

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:54:46 2021 No.29261913 >>29256759 >tfw premed I’m either god tier or shit tier, hopefully I get into a good med school

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:56:59 2021 No.29262041 I am electric engineer, never professed cuz I got into crypto right after I finished, realized its much better and became a crypto neet.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:57:00 2021 No.29262042 I did a master's and a PhD in physics, the pay is awful (in academia anyway) the job security is amazing but the pay, christ, I make more in crypto

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:57:09 2021 No.29262049 >not being a veteran living off of VA and your early retirement because your knees got JUST'd at the age of 40 and you double your income with crypto every year Btw you get 60k for tinnitus if anyone's curious. They also cant prove you dont have it

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:57:39 2021 No.29262078
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>>29256759
>tfw great tier
feels comfy bros
researching pollinators
free and easy grant money
easy work
life is good but could use a (trap) gf
how can I profit from pollinator research though?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:57:44 2021 No.29262090 >>29256759 Why is life science,biology and zoology different jobs when they are essentially in the same category? And why is life sciences and biology in great tier in first place?

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:58:10 2021 No.29262117

>>29256759
>wagie degrees on top
Here are the real top tier degrees;
Mathematics, Philosophy, Theology, Theoretical Physics, Biology, Geology
Imagine going to College/Uni so you can become a wagecuck instead of dedicating your live to the pursuit of knowledge.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 19:59:24 2021 No.29262194

>>29256759
EE here. Its definitely easier to get a job but the pay overall is not that much better. You will be making 65-75k with an ee degree when with a lib degree maybe 30-40k. Sure percent wise it's a big difference but you can make more money investing. Of course this all depends where you live too. Fuck California.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:00:53 2021 No.29262283 I'm the ultimate welfare king >went to college for fine art >joined the army( green welfare with guns) >VA claims >govt job >day trade at work all day You dont need to make 6 figures on a paystub to make 6 figures

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:01:38 2021 No.29262325 >>29259788 This. The sole reason I'm into investing is to get out of ''useful to society'' hell. Society doesn't give a fuck and could do without me, so why should I have to live a tight life for it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:01:39 2021 No.29262326 117 a year and I locate underground electrical and gas facilities. Pretty comf

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:02:38 2021 No.29262385 >>29262090 A beta engineer who has no idea how anything works created this chart. Engisheets are just salty that chad studying law get all the pussy while he slaves away at formulas he will never use

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:03:34 2021 No.29262441 >>29256759 economics?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:05:17 2021 No.29262534 >>29262117 you're not wrong if they paid better though it would be up there

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:08:27 2021 No.29262734
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laffin @ the autistic incel stemmies in this thread
chad can study something in the shit tier/suicide tier list and still get more pussy and respect in three/four years of college than you will ever hope to get in your life no matter how 'hard you work' and stress out over crunching numbers and wagecucking
in fact chad doesn't even have to go to college apart from the easy networking and the availability of abundant spoiled college sluts that will throw themselves at him. he can just go on tinder and get the same results
he can be a literal child rapist, homeless, drug-addicted, worst excuse for a human being you could possibly imagine and still get pussy from chicks who like a 'bad boy'
keep coping goyim, maybe after you've made your first million when you're in your thirties a landwhale will glance in your direction

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:08:39 2021 No.29262742 >>29262385 Lawyers are just a step below literal kikes though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:08:47 2021 No.29262748 I have an accounting degree and depending on the path you take it's a lot more lucrative than many of the degrees ranked higher, especially the science/engineering ones. And a good trade is worth more than many of those degrees.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:10:04 2021 No.29262826 I got a BS in Math, but realized I needed to go for the MS if I really wanted a comfy job. Grad math is really tough, but once I pulled through, finding a job was extremely easy. And yes, it's a incredibly comfy job.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:11:10 2021 No.29262896 >>29262734 >ti-85 LOL

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:11:54 2021 No.29262929 >>29256759 Cyber sec is undertiered your guaranteed to find a well paid job.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:13:18 2021 No.29263014 File: 52 KB, 1053x1059, 1545793156332.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>29256759 >Criminal Justice This degree is 95% low IQ retards and 5% glowies

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:14:05 2021 No.29263057 I graduate from pharmacy school in 2 years, how fucked am I?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:14:07 2021 No.29263060 I studied law and couldn't even find a job.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:14:21 2021 No.29263074 >>29262826 what job?

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:18:27 2021 No.29263285

>>29258860
I graduated 3 years ago with my civil engineering degree. I was an average student and had 3 job offers before I left school. Grades do not matter if you are personable and can talk to people. Started at 73k and made 104k in 2020. I'm in the south where cost of living is dirt cheap.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:21:20 2021 No.29263451 >>29262117 Based if you're going to a good university. LARP if you go to a shit one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:24:02 2021 No.29263614 >>29263014 It's full of girls who watch too much law and order

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>>29256759
>Computer science two tiers below Computer engineering
Ask me how I know you're retarded. CE is a half ass degree where you neither learn proper Computer Science nor Electrical Engineering. CS on the other hand is pure math but with actual application thrown in. Also, footfags are the superior race.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:26:47 2021 No.29263767

>>29256759
>study cs for free in the third world
>migrating to europe/canada in 4-5 years
>no debt
>any shit tier job is 4x the maximum pay in my country
>going to make at least 5 kids to farm goverment benefits and leverage myself even more
>only buy avax
You niggers can't get to my level of based

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:27:55 2021 No.29263835 29262734 29258691 29259236 Who hurt you?

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:27:58 2021 No.29263844
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>BS in business MIS because i didn't know what to do
>Pros: can always find a job
>Cons: most of the jobs are helpdesk tier bullshit that a meagre associates in IT could do for significantly less tuition
>if you get lucky you might land something that pays around 50k/yr but the career growth is nonexistant and you still get shit all over
>to break out of the pigeonhole, need to go back to school to a more tech-related role or get curbstomped by fresh grads with less work experience when applying for trash junior positions because they had an application in the "proper" degree the company was looking for
>absolutely refuse to sink another 40k in that shit

For the love of god any anons that are still in college and undeclared, do not follow my footsteps. If nothing interests you, you won't find it by year 2. Drop out and do a trade.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:28:04 2021 No.29263851 >>29257200 >get lung cancer at 50 every jobs has their ups and downs anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:28:54 2021 No.29263901 >>29261387 RING RING ja, gebaseerde afdeling?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:31:03 2021 No.29264029 >>29263074 Statistician.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:34:04 2021 No.29264192 Where does Archaelogy place ?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:35:28 2021 No.29264276 >>29262734 The TI-85 is the superior graphing calculator.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:35:48 2021 No.29264293 >>29264192 social sciences, welcome to humanities chad club

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:37:41 2021 No.29264408 >>29264293 Buh, but isn’t that shit tier ;,(

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:37:47 2021 No.29264413 >>29263844 I know you probably were told not to but if you want a cheap option and know you can take whatever life throws at you learn Chinese, it's an guaranteed job and with your experience it should pay a good deal more.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:41:17 2021 No.29264587 >>29264408 in life the shitter of a person you are the more successful you'll be

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:42:41 2021 No.29264671 >>29263844 IT certifications? You have work experience and a degree already. Get a dumb cert that says you can twiddle the knobs in a comfy networking facility or...I dunno whatever interests you in this field.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:44:47 2021 No.29264762 File: 30 KB, 465x462, Dirty-bed-sheet.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>29262734 have sex

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:45:13 2021 No.29264784 >>29256759 >Physics >mathematics >God tier lmao, fuck no. Those are two degrees that require you to be a PhD or a degree in something else useful like CS or mechanical engineering for anyone to consider hiring you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:45:50 2021 No.29264824 >>29264587 As a civil engineer this is true, want to earn a big payday? Buy land zoned as agricultural build a few sheds on it have people live in them get the land zoned as residential and then sell it back to the government easy money.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:48:37 2021 No.29264967

>>29257340
packaging engineering is actually a great option. I worked as an intern in the packaging engineering department of a pharma company for a summer. the tech company I currently work at has packaging engineers. if you are willing to major in something that won’t get you laid, there are an abundance of honest jobs in several industries

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:49:24 2021 No.29265013
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I went to art school, currently working on a phD for which I'm paid roughly 1k€ per month and work part time in an art gallery for which I'm paid roughly 4k€ per month and I only just started last september and I have about 20k in crypto.
My best friend studied Law and he's stuck in unpaid internship hell and another friend studied Physics and he makes 2k€ per month for his phD.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:50:05 2021 No.29265048 >>29264762 Keep it in your pants big guy

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:50:46 2021 No.29265088 >>29262929 meme job

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:51:54 2021 No.29265138

>>29256759
>Electrical / Aerospace
What are you? 70? Boomer jobs that a lot of them STILL won't fucking retire from.
Not only that, but when they do retire, you don't have a chance in hell of making that salary.
That goes for most of this shit on this list.

>Computers / Software
It's a meme. You can easily minor in anything computers and still get a high paying job in the field when you fail your dream.

>Math
Too general to make real money on its own, but too specific to be flexible into things like finance without getting a minor in a related field.

The real truth is. Get a job first, if you can, and then get your degree.
Find out what you love, and more importantly, what makes you money.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:51:59 2021 No.29265144 Do you guys think Urban Planning and Real Estate is a decent degree?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:53:22 2021 No.29265222 >>29256759 lol I got a degree in aerospace engineering from a top 100 global and I still cant find shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:53:53 2021 No.29265252 >>29265144 Do you need a degree to learn that the guy with the most money calls the shots?

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:55:57 2021 No.29265374

>>29258860
>>29258879
>>29259383
consider focusing on the manufacturability / producibility / materials of construction side of electrical engineering. the board designers I work with get cucked when development moves to production, but I’m always working because I focus on making sure production lots meet IPC standards and will work in the field. IPC conferences are unknown and can get you a job easy. I went and collected ~50 business cards at my first one

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:56:11 2021 No.29265389
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>>29256759
>software engineer
>interviewed at a random company at my n = 2 job hop as part of strategy to procure as many offers to obtain negotiation power
>get offer
>do you guys let employees use linux? wait you dont?
>give them a number I thought was crazy because I'd hate working on a mac
>they honor it. wtf. guess everyone has a price
>they also add stock options. I pay no attention to them at the time
>2 years later, stock options are 16x their value at time of me getting hired
>business is absolutely and incomprehensibly booming
>I unironically make more off the options than my actual income
>not even public yet, I might actually become a multi millionaire when we go public

weird feeling. A friend of mine had a similar experience as he got a job at Palantir. Very high chance I could retire soon. Will probably just go back to school and do a PhD if that happens.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 20:59:33 2021 No.29265595 Computer Science is Applied Mathematics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:01:02 2021 No.29265666 >>29263844 Do you have any certifications? I'm majoring in MIS as well

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:01:49 2021 No.29265719

>>29265389
>I make money off stock options
Actually you don't, it's the promise of money and most options contracts either have an expiry date or have some kind of way the company can get out of it if things start going south.

I've been there at least 3 times anon. Please don't make the same mistakes as I did.
When you get the chance to exercise, then you fucking do it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:02:50 2021 No.29265761 >>29265719 have you ever heard of a dividend

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:04:06 2021 No.29265822 >>29265761 dude, you don't get dividends on options. They are OPTIONS.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:04:07 2021 No.29265824

>>29265719
thanks for the warning anon. I read the fine print. there are a few ways I could get fucked, for example if I say nigger in a zoom call and get fired with cause. I'll probably exercise this year, been holding off on doing it because I want to hire an accountant to min max taxes. I think we're going public soon anyways

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:04:42 2021 No.29265849 >>29260983 Go back

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:05:44 2021 No.29265909

>>29265719
Protip: never accept stock options as compensation without filing a section 83(b) election and exercising the day you start the job. If the company doesn't allow early exercise, don't accept the offer.

I was at a startup in 2008 and demanded early exercise. I was the ONLY person in the entire company that did. They gave it to me because it cost them nothing other than some paperwork.

I walked away with $1mm after taxes while most other got rugged and anally raped by short term capital gains and AMT.

feelsgoodman

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:06:14 2021 No.29265937 >>29256943 Fpbp Shits fucked

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:06:15 2021 No.29265938 human computer interaction professional in big tech. I make $150+ Undergrad in psychology and grad degree in HCI. I blend quant and qual research to help inform the direction of tech Stressful but fun

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:06:58 2021 No.29265977 >>29256759 I see no difference between software engineer and computer engineer. What's the difference? Kek, I just went to computer science uni without thinking much

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:07:49 2021 No.29266023 >>29256759 I'd move economics up. You're more employable and median wage if economics grads is way higher than stats, maths or other sciences even if its technically easier

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:08:01 2021 No.29266038

>>29265824
In my opinion, when you get life changing money, don't get bogged down in the details of min - maxing or what not.
Most of the time, it's better to just pay whatever bill you get stuck with and move on.
If you have the time and are willing to do it, then I understand, but you're probably only going to save yourself a very small amount of money comparatively (usually)

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:08:32 2021 No.29266056 >>29265977 Doesn't make any difference in your career unless you want to get into hardware related stuff, and not even that much difference then. t. software engineer at SpaceX, c.s. degree

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:09:27 2021 No.29266094 >>29266056 this anon gets it. Start a tech blog, and make projects & blog posts about the things that you want to work on. For me it's distributed systems & fraud detection.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:11:21 2021 No.29266193

>>29264671
>>29265666
honestly i just want out of the field entirely at this point so I haven't bothered with things like comptia or cissp. my plan now is to leverage what i know with SQL and learn python to try and square away data anlaytics, or maybe even dip my toes in frontend web dev stuff. wish me luck bros

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:12:55 2021 No.29266282

>>29266038
Not true, anon. The tax situation alone can make the difference between bankruptcy and making it if you don't handle it properly.

The worst is if you wait to exercise until after the stock has mooned, then you exercise but get stuck during a lockout period during which the stock crashes. You wind up owing taxes on money you never actually had. Google "alternative minimum tax"

Several friends of mine lost every cent they had to this during the first dotcom boom.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:13:24 2021 No.29266310 >>29256759 >agriculture good tier LMAO

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:14:43 2021 No.29266382
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>tfw finishing a media & communications degree this year (bachelor)
>i fucking hated it bros, mostly useless shit or shit that I don't want to fucking do in life
>considering doing business administration or management as a master's cuz there's nothing else left for me to do (nothing realistic anyways, will not major in philosophy or film cuz that shit won't get me far in life)

Can I ever make it bros?

P.S I'm in Europe btw, not the US.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:14:49 2021 No.29266388 >>29256759 Biology major I know was a pharmacy tech. Hardly a good major.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:14:49 2021 No.29266389 >>29266038 >>29266282 is what I'm afraid of. Which is why I feel like waiting for public event - that way I can sell enough stonks to cover tax burden, move the rest into a taxfree account and watch it grow without cap gains.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:15:15 2021 No.29266407

Biomedical engineering is actually a shit tier undergrad major. There are NO entry level jobs in the field, and you're too generalized to actually get a real engineering job or bio job. It's a good PHD if you have an EE background though.

t. failed BME major

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:15:54 2021 No.29266447
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I’m gonna be finished a degree in finance by the end of 2021. I’m a 3.7 GPA student but I haven’t done anything extracurricular/internships or anything. Honestly just been going through the motions because I’ve been more focused on making music. Am I fucked? Ideas on what I can do with this degree off the wire? Any way to get to 100k+? Please help me bros

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:16:55 2021 No.29266505 >>29266447 I live in Toronto by the way

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:18:14 2021 No.29266580 >>29266505 you're fucked lmao. you will never be able to afford a home in your lifetime. first thing I'd do if i were you would be to get an internship in nova scotia

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:18:39 2021 No.29266597 >BS ME >Hate the military industrial complex I need crypto gains or I'm ngmi

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:18:53 2021 No.29266613 >>29266447 Get a CFA lol

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:19:03 2021 No.29266628

>>29266389
Does your company allow early exercise? Has the stock gone up a lot from your strike?

The best thing to do is exercise on day 1 and file a section 83(b) election. Then if the stock moons, no AMT, and you pay long-term capital gains. It's a one-page form that takes 2 minutes to file. I know people who lost literally millions of dollars and wound up bankrupt because they didn't file one. And no one tells you about them.

Be careful, though - an 83(b) can also screw you if you file it AFTER the stock has gone way up from your strike.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:19:24 2021 No.29266647 >>29256759 Alot of this sounds like nerd shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:21:42 2021 No.29266777 Stats masters econ bachelors Will I make it

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:23:17 2021 No.29266870 >>29256759 Foreign languages can be anything from suicide tier to great tier depending on what language(s) it is and where you live.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:24:21 2021 No.29266924
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>>29256759
going into cyber security and computer science, feels good
though honestly I’m probably just skipping the degree and going for the certifications, I don’t need a class for this shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:25:47 2021 No.29267014 File: 136 KB, 220x212, 56EC06F3-8F5C-41C3-94F3-BF12B69A8889.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>29266580 >you're fucked lmao. you will never be able to afford a home in your lifetime But..why?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:26:03 2021 No.29267027 >>29266447 A finance degree without any internships is literally worth nothing. Internships are the single most important thing you could have perused. Goddamn.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:26:55 2021 No.29267076 >>29266924 If you want to go into security, the big-brain move is to get a degree in math, focused on number theory. Great pick for career regardless. Very bright future.

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>>29266628
I'm Canadian. So for me, as soon as I exercise I will owe income tax on it (comparatively to its FMV). Unfortunately since we're not public I can't sell it to recoup the income tax. So I have two choices

Choice 1
>Exercise now, pray that we go public (100% certain we will desu)
>pay income tax on diff between FMV
>If we go under, I owe taxes on something I can't even sell
>any further increases will be taxed on sale of the stonk, and only 50% of the capital appreciation will be charged as tax rate
>can only move stonks to mine & wife's TFSA when we go public, at which point all further appreciation would be tax free
>overflow will not be tax free

Choice 2
>Exercise later after public, pay 100% of income tax on the appreciation comparatively to the exercise price, including the further gains today
>However, can sell stonks immediately and have 0 chance of being "underwater"

With choice 1, I can save some money on taxes. However, I COULD get fucked by taxes really hard. Not worth risking IMO, even though we're a rocket ship at this point. What if we get bad press due to a giant outage or security breach for example.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:30:06 2021 No.29267222 >>29256759 You still got scammed if you paid for the degree. These days you should be lying on your resume. Hell, you shouldn't even work if possible. Unless you're in the 1% of jobs that can't be automated then your labor is a farce.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:30:46 2021 No.29267260
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>>29266628
I'm Canadian. So for me, as soon as I exercise I will owe income tax on it (comparatively to its FMV). Unfortunately since we're not public I can't sell it to recoup the income tax. So I have two choices

Choice 1
>Exercise now, pray that we go public (100% certain we will desu)
>pay income tax on diff between FMV
>If we go under, I owe taxes on something I can't even sell
>any further increases will be taxed on sale of the stonk, and only 50% of the capital appreciation will be charged as tax rate
>can only move stonks to mine & wife's TFSA when we go public, at which point all further appreciation would be tax free
>overflow will not be tax free

Choice 2
>Exercise later after public, pay 100% of income tax on the appreciation comparatively to the exercise price, including the further gains today
>However, can sell stonks immediately and have 0 chance of being "underwater"

With choice 1, I can save some money on taxes. However, I COULD get fucked by taxes really hard. Not worth risking IMO, even though we're a rocket ship at this point. What if we get bad press due to a giant outage or security breach for example.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:30:47 2021 No.29267261

>>29267076
And for the love of God don't fall for the certifications meme.

I worked at Google for 6 years. They did a massive multi-year study using AI and bigdata to analyze resumes to see what predicted success or failure. The only clear conclusion: If your resume includes the word "certified," you suck ass.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:30:53 2021 No.29267267 File: 118 KB, 250x300, 1927968C-51F0-4210-A0D1-C33E4B57470D.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>29267027 Well I still have 2 semesters (including this one) before I graduate.. better late than never right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:31:48 2021 No.29267305 >>29267014 check real estate market in toronto. or anywhere in canada where people live for that matter

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:33:10 2021 No.29267375 File: 63 KB, 828x825, ce05593b2cbd97dd8d70793dc928960a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i'm about to get my real estate license and i'm about to start an unrelated side business really soon. i'm excited for myself

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:33:57 2021 No.29267424

>>29267267
Yes you aren’t too late. Ideally you would want 2-3 internships but all that REALLY matters is that you’ve had 1. Preferably with a recognizable company but any internship is still 1000x better than none even if it’s with a no-name and you can spin the experience as being relevant to your next career move. You need to start polishing your interview skills and resume RIGHT NOW and hitting the pavement to get one quality internship under your belt prior to graduation. That’s the most important fucking thing in your life right now.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:34:49 2021 No.29267474

>>29267305
I have. I was looking at bachelor condos in downtown Toronto and they go for around 500-800k. If I can accumulate 125k for a down payment I’ll be fine. Plus I’m not that worried about housing, I’m more concerned about getting a job in my field

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:34:54 2021 No.29267483 >>29256759 >architecture >meh tier idk, I'm pretty happy with my job

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:35:12 2021 No.29267505 I got a suicide tier degree and I'm currently working some of the highest levels of my country's government.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:35:18 2021 No.29267517 >>29259372 Lawfags have one of the highest suicide rates of degreed individuals.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:37:39 2021 No.29267642 >>29267505 These tier lists ignore personal effort. The shittiest degree can give you a comfy life if you actively pursue opportunity and don’t just mindlessly complete the degree without every thinking about the future.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:37:55 2021 No.29267656

>>29267424
Thanks for the hopium anon. I’m unironically going to get right on it after my midterms. One thing I have going for me is I was a manager at a decently sized chain restaurant before the coof and have a really good relationship with the CEO. Though it’s not necessarily relevant I’m sure he’ll give me a great reference and speak to my work ethic and capabilities

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:38:23 2021 No.29267687 >>29256759 PHYSICAL Geography with a concentration in GIS is not shit tier. General Geography or Human Geography is liberal shit-tier.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:40:17 2021 No.29267804 >>29260983 Holy based. Maxis are fags.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:41:08 2021 No.29267847

>>29267656
That’s good, I don’t know if companies in Canada care about references, in the US they don’t. But that experience will get you in the door as long as you can speak about it convincingly as having been an important learning and foundational experience in leadership, etc. Most college grad job applicants have bullshit experience... like all that’s on their resume is college clubs and part time tutoring jobs. If you had real responsibility or led a team and can talk about it like an adult you will gain vast worth.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:43:02 2021 No.29267946 >>29256759 >everything that the western male excels at and is important (history, philosophy, etc.) is shit >everything bugmen and paneers study in droves and slate by with Cs is the top of the list. Ask me how I know a nonwhite made this list.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:48:39 2021 No.29268245 File: 309 KB, 785x757, Sneed.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Agriculture >Isn't in SNEED tier at very top Ngmi, city slicker.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:49:29 2021 No.29268280 >>29256759 Should I go to school for finance bro? I'm probably gonna go for welding but everyone tells me I'll destroy my body. >>29257200 Redpill me

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:56:23 2021 No.29268662
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>>29256759
>Wildlife
>Shit tier

Feels bad man. I didn't get into it for the money. I just want to make it with crypto so I can do what I want and not have to worry about finances.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 21:58:41 2021 No.29268778 >>29263630 Now that is sexy

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:05:05 2021 No.29269100 >>29256759 >tfw civil eng with an MBA At least it averages out to good, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:09:09 2021 No.29269295 >>29256759 >international and global studies >minors in russian and middle east >$130k/yr and full fed bennies feels good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:10:10 2021 No.29269342 >>29268662 >so i can do what i want but if you're basically homeless by choice you already can.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:13:49 2021 No.29269526 >>29256759 >theology >shit tier >college education >good tier I agree with everything else but those two need to be switched because at least theology departments aren't solely focused on creating trannies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:20:14 2021 No.29269844 >>29269342 I just want to not be terrified of going into medical debt

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:29:18 2021 No.29270312 >>29266777 with those trip u definitely willl econ is god tier

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:35:02 2021 No.29270624 >>29264784 this is absolutely true, people on this board are retarded the only good degrees are unironically engineering degrees and computer science. everything else is not worth with only a bachelor's

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:35:43 2021 No.29270659

>>29256759
I have a PhD in chemistry focused on materials science and nanoscience

getting a job in industry took me 4 years and was fucking crazy difficult. academia is an exploitive shithole, and honestly if I became a plumber at 19 I would have waaay more money than I will have even 10 years form now making a high wage.

p.s. I work with a shit ton of engineers, they're smart but fucking suck at science, problem solving, and project management. but they sure do get paid well

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:38:24 2021 No.29270786 >>29270659 >honestly if I became a plumber at 19 I would have waaay more money than I will have even 10 years form now making a high wage. and if you became a programmer you'd have more than the plumber :)

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:41:02 2021 No.29270927

>>29270786
Ya i actually started uni in computer math
after my first Java test on paper i switched programs

I was awesome at programming, but I didn't realize until later that university teaches programming in the most retarded way just to cut people out.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:42:45 2021 No.29271013

>>29270927
it's unfortunate because i think most schools do that, intentionally or otherwise. it's hard to teach cs properly and everyone learns differently but i think most people can learn it. luckily with the internet now there are much better resources than when i was in college, which wasn't even that long ago either

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:44:41 2021 No.29271105 >>29271013 i've considered enrolling in a programming bootcamp for the credentials, but it would basically waste my phd, which is finally paying off. i dunno

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:45:42 2021 No.29271156 >>29271105 go to levels.fyi. it's hard to land jobs with these companies, especially out of bootcamp, but it might be more worth. idk, i have coworkers who switched from entirely different fields because the pay and career projection is faster in CS

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:47:26 2021 No.29271246

A shit tier degree from Harvard is the equivalent of an unbelievable tier at, say, a lesser known school. Maybe not even equal.

The opportunities afforded to Ivy League graduates and places like Duke and Stanford with a shit tier degree are far greater than a god tier or unbelievable tier degree from a state school.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:48:57 2021 No.29271311

Anons, I'm considering a career in policy making of some sort. Having an application out for a fellowship that would put me in D.C. for a year as a congressional aide. Don't expect to run for office, but is being in the political ecosystem generally a good way to make money?

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:49:25 2021 No.29271340

>>29271156
Thanks i'll check it out,

I did just land a job at a huge medical device manufacturer as an R&D scientist, so there is def some career progression for me.

i just hate the corporate atmosphere, its so fucking bureaucratic, and all the information is a god damn mess.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:49:42 2021 No.29271361

>>29271246
>A shit tier degree from Harvard is the equivalent of an unbelievable tier at, say, a lesser known school.
no it's not. i have friends who majored in pure science (physics, biology, chemistry) who struggled to find jobs and even had to change fields. i didn't go to harvard but i went to a university on the same tier as harvard, theoretically better than harvard for these fields. you sincerely need to be good at your field, not just have a degree, to stand out when getting a job these days

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:52:29 2021 No.29271495 >>29271311 Are you a Republican?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:52:54 2021 No.29271520 >>29256759 Law is too wide to fit into one catergory From a top school law is 100% god tier at least

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:53:33 2021 No.29271546 >>29262042 how's academia? do you get to choose what to work on/study?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:53:39 2021 No.29271550 >>29271361 >you sincerely need to be good at your field wrong you need to have the right connections that is all that matters know the right people suck the right dicks

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:54:35 2021 No.29271593 >>29264784 hedge funds hire people with those degrees retard and they pay a shitton

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:55:10 2021 No.29271624 >>29271495 Unfortunately not. I have family connections to a well-known right wing think tank, but I'm not ready to sell my soul yet. Trying to make the most of my youthful idealism.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:56:03 2021 No.29271663

>>29271550
>you need to have the right connections
>that is all that matters
>know the right people
>suck the right dicks
yeah but this is always true though, going to an ivy makes it easier to have these connections but it doesn't guarantee anything. it's not like everyone has an in to these jobs. they'll refer you, sure, but good companies generally require you to be good still
this is less true for finance and squishy bullshit though

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:56:54 2021 No.29271700 >>29256759 >transportation My friends in transport and logistics make a killing and have unreal job security.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:58:11 2021 No.29271753 >>29256759 Also I assume this is undergraduate, as a masters/doctorate clinical psych degree can make you a killing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:58:15 2021 No.29271759 >>29271700 those kind of jobs are necessary and people always over look them

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:58:17 2021 No.29271763 >>29267517 I thought it was dentists

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 22:59:19 2021 No.29271806 >>29256759 >Poli Sci major >Currently work as a legal assistant >50k yr None of it matters because I threw all of my FAFSA refunds into crypto and cashed out big. My degree is a joke and the world is a joke, who cares.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:01:16 2021 No.29271890 >sociology degree >day trade based on trends in social media Paid off my degree in one year

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:05:00 2021 No.29272052
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>>29256759
About to graduate with a bio degree. Be honest with me /biz/ how fucked am I? Just now hearing anything in bio isn't worth it unless you go or at least a masters but 2 more yrs of debt is out of the question rn.

>>29257200
trades can be hard on the body though.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:07:07 2021 No.29272131

>>29256759
I got a degree in "liberal studies", and still got a good job out of college. You have to be proactive though, and do some internships during college. If you're not the kind of person who can sell yourself as useful even though you have no actual skills though, then it is better to do a TE major (most science and math majors are just as bad).

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:07:34 2021 No.29272157 >>29272052 >at least a masters this is a sweet spot don't go further don't get a phd t. phd

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:08:41 2021 No.29272201 >>29263285 >autist civil engineer >didn't get a job until eight months after graduating >currently getting 70 k$/a plus pension >plan to retire after only 13 total years of working

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:09:52 2021 No.29272249 >>29272157 what's your major? And why not pursue a phd? Don't plan on getting one anyway just curious

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:10:09 2021 No.29272261 >theology, geography, history, philosophy, transportation, wildlife, education is shit tier Can tell the chart was made by a money obsessed stem autist soulless bug. Technology does not separate men from animals.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:10:22 2021 No.29272271 >>29271806 mind helping me an anon out? what crypto holdings do you have? and is it good to cash out during the peak of the bull or to just hold?

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:12:26 2021 No.29272349

>>29272052
What kind of bio? Such a diverse field.

Generally though, yes you'll need a master's. You should be able to find some paid gigs though. My stipend is $17k between fall and spring semesters, plus I get a summer stipend that adds another $6k. It's shit money obviously, but I'm not going into debt.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:13:54 2021 No.29272416

>>29272261
Kind of agree with you but I don't see the purpose of going to college for passion unless you have a free ride via scholarships or you're eurofag. Why not just study your passions independently? Schools don't have a monopoly on information anymore thanks to the internet. Whether you like it or not colleges are mainly to get required credentials for X field. If you're going to go to college then go for the career/money, and other passions can be pursued in your free time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:14:51 2021 No.29272452 >Business >major in Supply Chain Mgmt and International Business How fucked am I?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:16:27 2021 No.29272521 File: 752 KB, 483x701, 1612964582887.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>29256759 Working on a Supply Chain Management degree. How's it rate bros? I enjoy it at least

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:17:08 2021 No.29272549 >>29272349 cell/molecular concentration. I also find ecology really interesting, but do concentrations really matter that much?

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:18:37 2021 No.29272615

>>29272249
i'm this guy
>>29270659
I did my phd because I really enjoyed what I was doing, I was good at it, I like my project, I liked my prof and I published a bunch of papers

People I went to school with in undergrad got jobs a few years later in the 50-70k range
most of the people I did masters with all make 90k+ and about half the people I did a phd with couldn't find a job

I make 75K, but i'm at the bottom rung of my company because I just started so I expect to shoot up rapidly over the next few years and I will totally jump companies every 2 years if I have to.

even still, comparatively my peers with masters degrees and a few BScs are always going to be ahead of me.
That being said two of my friends with PhDs are making 110k+ and have been for a few years. They got lucky with connections.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:18:43 2021 No.29272619 >>29256759 Geophysics is listed twice, this is garbage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:19:52 2021 No.29272665 >>29263057 Better than being a deadbeat piece of shit that smokes marijuana and bitches on Twitter. Be happy you actually did shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:20:14 2021 No.29272688 I dropped out of college. I'm a digital assets manager

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:21:08 2021 No.29272716 >>29272452 Based. Would like to think we're great tier but idk

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:22:00 2021 No.29272763 >>29257937 Go into patent law

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:23:39 2021 No.29272821 >>29256759 wtf cert or course can i take in about 3-4 weeks that will bump me up career wise? literally anything other than warehouse work.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:26:20 2021 No.29272929 >>29257340 >Cornell

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:26:52 2021 No.29272957

>>29272416
Eh, I disagree on the premise. You don't need a business degree to start a business or a computer science degree to code, but a lot of what makes college useful is not freely available on the internet.

You may be able to learn some of the same information on your own, but there's no replacing in-depth discussions about concepts and theory with your professor during office hours or problem solving with classmates for assignments. College can add a whole lot of depth to an education that would be shallow if it were purely about information. Sure there are people who just want the rubber stamp, but the opportunities to really stand apart from your peers is endless.

There are also passion majors that act as hobbies and there are passion majors that are actual professions. You can't self-educate your way into becoming a wildlife ecologist. It's a crisis field that people get into because they love it and want to make a difference in the world. It can't be pursued or enjoyed casually.

College isn't the end all be all and shouldn't be forced on anyone, but I feel like people are starting to lose respect and trust is expertise gained through years of dedicated study.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:27:30 2021 No.29272986 >>29256759 kys STEMcuck

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:29:57 2021 No.29273086

>>29272271
I may not be the best person to ask, but hopefully I can be of some help. To be quite honest, I don’t know shit about crypto or at least the intricate details behind the technology. I don’t think matters really, you can make a ton of money off of scams and lose money on a legitimate project if the team doesn’t deliver.
I DCA’d into ETH at first after the crash, because I didn’t know shit and didn’t see the point in throwing money at random shit coins. LINK was at a dollar at the time and I’ve seen countless threads shilling it beforehand, but then something just clicked with me. I came across a thread where this guy really broke down the technicals of Chainlink and oracles and blah blah blah, and it wasn’t the first time either. At that moment I thought to myself “Damn, maybe these guys really DO believe in this shit and they’re not just trying to scam me”. From that point on I just went all in on LINK. Cashed out at $14 and never looked back.
If I had to give some advice, it would be to go with your gut. This doesn’t just apply to crypto, but life in general. If you have a bad feeling about someone or something, don’t ignore it.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:33:02 2021 No.29273219

>>29272549
Concentrations don't matter if you go to grad school, and they're really just a way for you to take a few extra classes that might help you get a job. Like I'm guessing you're getting more lab experience than someone with an ecology concentration.

Ecology kicks ass btw, but there's definitely less money in it. Opportunities to make ~$100k if you land top-tier government jobs though.

Bio degrees are based though because if you play your cards right, you can get a high paying lab gig that is for a company or organization that is actually doing good in the world. I feel sorry for the anons in here who work for shit companies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:33:05 2021 No.29273223 >>29260705 YOu can learn anything on the internet faster than any time in human history. College is for getting "universally" accepted accredation in a marketable skill.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:34:09 2021 No.29273264 >>29273223 College is for getting laid

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:35:42 2021 No.29273336

>>29272957
>You may be able to learn some of the same information on your own, but there's no replacing in-depth discussions about concepts and theory with your professor during office hours or problem solving with classmates for assignments. College can add a whole lot of depth to an education that would be shallow if it were purely about information. Sure there are people who just want the rubber stamp, but the opportunities to really stand apart from your peers is endless.
Thisx100
There is also value in being forced to learn the "boring" parts of your field via exams and assignments.

>>29272261
Agree however it's acknowledged in the footer, "rated by..usefulness to market". Does not mean usefulness as a human.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:37:34 2021 No.29273419

>>29262385
Lots of Lawyers dont make as much as youd think and they are nothing more than mercenary devil's advocates. Engineering, if you can apply it to industry, is a 4 year ticket to a real whitecollar job that makes real impact on society. The schooling is tough but that is good once you graduate as it helps keep your wage high and companies know you arent a fuckwit like 90% of other college grads these days.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:39:08 2021 No.29273487 >>29262734 You are taking this too far talking shit about my trusty calculator. We have been through some shit togeather and Id trust ol blue to have my back anytime.

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:41:24 2021 No.29273585

>>29272957
I was mainly referring those who pursue a field of study purely for intellectual curiosity. Sure, college offers irreplaceable opportunities for networking but that kind of falls under the credentialism aspect for me. The interaction with professors, classmates, assignments may facilitate the learning process but I don't think it makes thousands of debt worth it if you're just in it for the passion. I still think, at its core, attending college should be for the career oriented. I'm coming from a American perspective though. College is crazy expensive here.

>>29273219
>Concentrations don't matter if you go to grad school
good to know.
>Ecology kicks ass btw, but there's definitely less money in it. Opportunities to make ~$100k if you land top-tier government jobs though.
>Bio degrees are based though because if you play your cards right, you can get a high paying lab gig that is for a company or organization that is actually doing good in the world. I feel sorry for the anons in here who work for shit companies
Yeah ecology can be dope if you land the right job. I was going to do an internship this summer where we were going to be studying/interacting with sea turtles but covid kind of screwed that whole thing up. I'm not expecting to make bank, just want a comfortable livelihood.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:44:22 2021 No.29273696 >>29265909 I may encounter this scenario in the future and a google search confirmed the validity of what you are talkin bout. Thanks for one of those rare gems in the vast oceans of shit on 4chan Anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:48:06 2021 No.29273854 >>29258822 know one who made almost 6 figs starting out at SWA. just make connections

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:48:39 2021 No.29273878

>>29266597
Greetings brother. Never stop shitting on your friends that accepted the Gubment cheese. An engineer working for the DOD / MIC is like a ambulance chasing lawyer or a Doctor that pushes Pharma. Look into water processing businesses. No moral grey area just sweet clean hydro and fat checks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:49:31 2021 No.29273918 >>29262117 >geology in 2021 >anything above meme tier

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:49:58 2021 No.29273940 >>29272416 It really only makes sense for trust fund kids going to oxford or something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:51:48 2021 No.29274021 >>29273918 >2021 >thats it guys we know everything there is to know about rocks, no need to study geology anymore >2061 >guys does anyone know anything about rocks?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:52:15 2021 No.29274042 >>29256759 >Based Tier >no degree, do sales

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:52:20 2021 No.29274048 how to get into Technische Universität München as a foreigner? not a pajeet/chink/arab btw

Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:56:09 2021 No.29274182

>>29273585
I agree on the cost of education bit. I got a free ride, and the school was actually paying me by my senior year since additional scholarships covered semester fees too. Plus my parents saved up well for me, so I was debt free and didn't have to work at all. That did wonders for my ability to just focus on school. My girlfriend got a BA in chemistry but has like $70k in debt because her parents would rather buy boats than help their kid through school. She actually makes less money than me on my $17k stipend because of her loan burden. Don't go to school if you can't afford it.

Sea turtles are fuckin neat.

You can do 3 things with bio
>Academia (underpaid, terrible hours, lots of freedom, highly competitive)
>Private sector (best paid, normal hours, no freedom, less competitive)
>Government job (mediocre pay, normal hours, medium freedom, crushing bureaucracy)

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 20 23:58:24 2021 No.29274276 >>29271311 No. Source: Im from the DMV

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:02:39 2021 No.29274452 >>29256759 > CE above CS > Fucking Software Engineering above CS > “Computer Programming” Absolute shit tier list.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:03:44 2021 No.29274494 >>29274182 what are benefits in the government sector compared to private? I always heard you get better pay in private but there's little benefits.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:06:32 2021 No.29274617

>>29265138
>It's a meme. You can easily minor in anything computers and still get a high paying job in the field when you fail your dream
Lol maybe if you want to make websites for Walgreens. Not for any interesting interesting roles at FAANG/unicorns.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:08:42 2021 No.29274730

>>29256759
>tfw music not listed despite being a decently big program in most schools
>inb4 "yeah art, basedboy"
Music would be in a tier of its own.
>High dropout rate
>One of the most stressful majors
>Terrible work-life balance
Here are your choices:
1. you get a performance degree in classical/jazz and teach for decent money ($30k-$100k)
2. you major in composition and work in media ($30k-$60k freelance, $60k-$100k+ working for a large organization)
3. major in musical theatre or musicology and have virtually 0 marketable skills and a huge victim complex ($0.00-whatever welfare is)
4. open a music school ($60k-$100k+)
t. Business owner with an MA in music

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:09:02 2021 No.29274747

>>29265389
>>I unironically make more off the options than my actual income
This is standard. At FAANG, you typically make like 200k in salary, maybe 30k bonus, and 250-300k in RSUs. And the ratio gets way more tilted toward RSUs at more senior levels.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:10:21 2021 No.29274803 that is such a shit image Joe "Super Predator" Biden got a history degree with a 2.0 GPA and now he's fucking children in the white house. Cope more STEMlets.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:11:00 2021 No.29274824

>>29256759
I have a degree in geophysics and hate my life everyday. I work as an envi scientist. 50k comfy to some degree. But I cant get over that I will have to wagecuck to 50 years old. Day in and day out working.

I want to make in crypto so i can go back to school and get a music degree and just have fun. I hate this rat race cube life. I just want my old life back of late night minecraft with friends. I get panic attacks just thinking about or going to work. Idk i wanna die.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:12:56 2021 No.29274900 >>29274824 Nobody's stopping you from killing yourself faggot. Don't say you want to die if you don't actually want to die, you're not a teenage girl it's not cute.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:13:10 2021 No.29274910 >>29256759 My mechanical engineering degree is so unbelievable the maker of this could not even wrap his mind around it enough to put it in

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:13:45 2021 No.29274933 >>29274452 Yeah this was a huge thonk. I can't imagine there is any research or academia body for "software engineering" Also >majoring in "Military(As a private)"

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:14:11 2021 No.29274952 >>29274910 Just kidding I have found that degree must have turned me into a dumbass. It’s right there. Don’t go to school kids

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:15:28 2021 No.29275016 >>29274900 But I do. I pray I get into an accident every morning. Im too much of a pussy to actually do it myself tho. So i guess ill just float through life

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:17:08 2021 No.29275098 Was going to go for geology, then realized how terrible the job market was. Thought about chemistry but realized I was making more already as a waitress. Now I'm 250k and will probably go to meh tier cause, fuck it, that's what I wanna do.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:18:26 2021 No.29275139

>>29274933
I think there are some schools which offer a major in “Software Engineering”, which is supposed to be more practical for industry than CS, but they’re basically glorified coding boot camps, and trade hours of instruction on algorithmic complexity, os fundamentals, language design, etc. for shit like teaching you how to use git and gcc.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:19:50 2021 No.29275198

>>29274494
government gives you the most job security + dat pension.

Seriously, if you can land a permanent government position, you're set, even if it's relatively low paying. You can always move up to better jobs without having to worry about getting fired.

The bad part of government is that funding is dependent on the priorities of whatever administration is in power. A lot of permanent government jobs have been left open once the previous employee retired in favor of temp workers that don't get the same benefits. Also, if you're doing work that you think is important, shifts in funding will affect your ability to do that work. I worked on a wildlife refuge where the biologists were depressed as fuck all the time. They found an endangered species when I was there, and while they were excited, they were also stressed out because they didn't have the money to manage for that species and maintain their other projects, and that was under Obama.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:21:48 2021 No.29275283 >>29275016 If it makes you feel any better I'd kill you if I had the legal justification to do so. Every consider suicide by cop?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:22:08 2021 No.29275297 >>29275098 Women dont belong on 4chan Leave

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:23:44 2021 No.29275353 >>29275098 >Now I'm 250k Link to your OnlyFans page?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:24:02 2021 No.29275365 >>29275297 Yeah well fuck you poorfag

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:25:03 2021 No.29275409 >>29275353 It's a scam. OnlyPictures of my persian cats

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:25:17 2021 No.29275422 >>29256759 I got a degree in math and now make 6 figures, but ultimately I've made way way more in crypto than I ever will at my job, so it was useless in a sense.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:26:44 2021 No.29275479 >>29275365 100K in crypto. Can i cuddle and smell your ass pls mommy

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:29:41 2021 No.29275636 I got memed on and graduated with a BS in physics and math minor. What minor should I go back for to make it? Should I just try to force it to work for a masters in engineering or comp sci?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:30:50 2021 No.29275690 Is mechatronic engineering a meme degree?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:30:56 2021 No.29275692 >>29260106 this. knew someone who was doing it, wouldve been dead by 30. can do it for like 2 years max if you're already very fit and healthy

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:33:23 2021 No.29275809 >>29275692 >>29260106 I can see how it would be risky, but how is it actively harmful? Don't know anything about it so really don't have a clue.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:33:33 2021 No.29275817

>>29258860
I graduated as an EE 4 years ago. I recommend you take the classes you find the most interesting. I took the classes I thought were the easiest (radio frequency cause I was good at math), and when I graduated I had a good gpa but I didn’t know what the fuck I wanted to do. I ended up getting a job as a software engineer and I’m enjoying it. So if you end up hating electrical but make it through, you can always fall back on software. I was told often “you can teach an EE to code, but you can’t teach a coder to be an EE”

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:40:04 2021 No.29276138 >>29256759 >chem >god tier Lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:41:20 2021 No.29276192 >>29257200 Yeah nah i just got my truck license brb 130k 2 weeks on 1 week off. Staybtfo schoolcuck

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:45:18 2021 No.29276380 >>29275409 >It's a scam Ever considered you're just ugly bitch?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:46:06 2021 No.29276415 >>29262734 This is sadly true. Learnt the hard way later in life. Nowadays I just larp like a retarded normie and save my autism for /biz/ and /pol/

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:55:13 2021 No.29276838 Graduated with CS degree in late 20s now making 300k. Thought I fucked up in life because I couldn't graduate early but I made it bros

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:57:18 2021 No.29276911 >>29275809 its mostly the rapid temperature and pressure changes mixed with relatively heavy physical activity

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:58:04 2021 No.29276949 >>29276838 FAANG? if so did you leetcode or do internships

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 00:58:12 2021 No.29276957 >>29276380 Thought OF was more about anal plugs than anything that had anything to do w actual physical/intellectual/emotional attractiveness

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:00:31 2021 No.29277057 >>29276949 yeah FAANG tier. You have to do both if you want a high tier SWE job right out of the gate. No leetcode => cant pass the interview No internship => hiring managers don't want to hire totally green students with 0 experience, its too risky.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:04:12 2021 No.29277187 File: 324 KB, 981x646, 1611948259839.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>29256759 philosophy is master race field. it's what you do when you make it and need to transcend

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:05:42 2021 No.29277242

Unpopular opinion but my college has a bachelor and an associates degree in hotel management, the bachelor is an absolute meme whereas the associates degree is actually useful. Hospitality doesn't require degrees since most high up the board have risen by experience, or accounting degrees

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:07:08 2021 No.29277317 >>29256759 mathematics major, reporting

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:09:32 2021 No.29277439

>>29256759
need help bros
>30 NEET
>no skills
>barely any work history
>no certificates
>made money at my dad's old factory that shut down and have been living steady on savings/crypto ever since
>spending is outweighing earning, need to work again
>dont want to work at mcdonalds
>have enough savings to get some kind of degree under my belt
what do i do? what is something that earns but doesnt require a lot of stamina (asthma) or wont take years and years to break into. i just want to work again but actually have some kind of upward trajectory, at least until my investments stack up again and i can go back to doing nothing

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:11:23 2021 No.29277533 File: 1.97 MB, 171x315, bologna dispenser.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>29256759 Where does Wildlife Management fit on this?

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:13:54 2021 No.29277656

>>29277439
>what do i do? what is something that earns but doesnt require a lot of stamina (asthma) or wont take years and years to break into. i just want to work again but actually have some kind of upward trajectory, at least until my investments stack up again and i can go back to doing nothing

See >>29277242
>get associates degree in hospitality
>graduate in less than 2 years
>get front desk job, preferably night audit at a large scale chain
>see how quick you'll rise in management

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:18:53 2021 No.29277911 >>29262078 Bitches love pollinators.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:21:03 2021 No.29278004 >>29277439 For a complete entry level with no education/experience, try bank teller. Good growth potential

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:29:00 2021 No.29278355 >>29275817 wow you are just retarded, like most engineers

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:32:50 2021 No.29278535 >>29274048 >Asking this on 4chan

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:37:25 2021 No.29278723 >>29268662 What's your job Anon? I just finished my Associate's and I'm going to start on my Bachelor's with Wildlife Management

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:39:03 2021 No.29278795 >>29256759 >good tier degree >can’t land a position that pays well I hate it bros

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:40:31 2021 No.29278853

>>29274730
>2. you major in composition and work in media ($30k-$60k freelance, $60k-$100k+ working for a large organization)
I've been interested in making my own music for a while, and I have a wealth of experience playing instruments. What's the learning curve on something like that and what's the chance of success?

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:42:05 2021 No.29278911

>>29278723
I'm 1.5 years in to my 2.5 year M.S. I'm getting the fuck out of pure wildlife though. Wildlife jobs with a B.S. are just menial bitch work. Wildlife jobs with an M.S. are also bitch work but with slightly more pay. M.S. will now get you what a B.S. got you 20 years ago. PhD jobs are not bitch work, but you're over-educated for most positions. Grad school tends to focus too much on the methods and math and not enough on concepts and theory too. A lot of people in wildlife a small thinkers. I'm trying to get in to policy work or landscape ecology where the big brains are.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:45:04 2021 No.29279020

>>29278911
I'm trying to just get a comfy Interpretive Ranger job mainly, and possibly try and become an Alaskan Wildlife Trooper. Two different branches I know, but I have time to figure it out.
> I'm trying to get in to policy work or landscape ecology where the big brains are.
Redpill me on this

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:46:31 2021 No.29279059 >>29256759 > mfw my degree was in social anthropology and now I work in financial services making bank Where were you when you realised stem was a complete meme

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:47:02 2021 No.29279079 >>29272688 I'm in a similar field, but I'm a Blockchain Asset Manager

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:47:27 2021 No.29279093 >>29256759 "god tier here" but it doesnt feel god tier in real life

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:47:35 2021 No.29279098 >>29279059 >financial services What is the official title name?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:50:26 2021 No.29279209 >>29279098 I’m an asset management regulatory specialists. Specifically prudential regulation. I’m a consultant unfortunately

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:54:56 2021 No.29279367 I have a degree in philosophy looking to start a hookah lounge. College is a retarded chinkoid meme.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:55:55 2021 No.29279403 >>29279209 How the f do I get in on that?

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:56:38 2021 No.29279431

>>29279020
Stay the fuck away from interp dude. I'm serious. I got high with some rangers in a park this summer and their lives fucking suck. Moving around the country every 6 months going from park to park and being paid like $30k per year with shit benefits. Alaska shit is cool, but you need to be confident in your ability to handle isolation, cold, and dark. It's the wild west up there, and there are multiple reasons they lead in alcoholism and domestic violence.

>policy work and landscape ecology
Wildlife people are typically anti-social and obsessed with animals, which makes sense. It's also a detriment to their work. If you get into wildlife, you're probably getting in to it because you care about conservation. Maybe you're a Teddy Roosevelt type or maybe you're full on PETA, but both are interested in conserving nature.

So, how does conservation work? Well, we need good science, but science isn't shit if politicians don't enact policies that are in line with the science. So, good scientists are engaged in policy stuff. They cater they research to address problems and make sure they communicate their findings in an understandable way.

Conservation is also big in geographic and temporal scale. You can put up a fence around a local duck pond, but is that really conservation? No, not unless you think about protecting multiple ponds across landscapes affects.

Unfortunately, most wildlife people hate politics and get very focused on very specific questions. They ask questions like, "How many bald eagles are in the state of Oregon?" Who gives a fuck? Seriously, there are enough bald eagles. We don't need to know how many there are. We can use the money that would go to counting them and put it towards actually meaningful work.

Think big, anon. Don't get wrapped up in certain species or taxa. I worked my ass off thru undergrad to become a large carnivore biologist. I've worked on jaguars, black bears, and brown bears. I don't give a fuck about them anymore.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 01:59:19 2021 No.29279509

>>29275817
>I was told often “you can teach an EE to code, but you can’t teach a coder to be an EE”
85% true. EEs can often become at least passable software engineers. But their lack of CS fundamentals often show through (mediocre at algorithmic design and analysis, usually crap at class and architectural design). The inverse is totally true, though. I could not possibly do EE.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:00:21 2021 No.29279554 File: 36 KB, 640x775, 1569210773725.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >currently going for cybersec >worried I won't find a job coming out The threads on /g/ don't help.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:00:45 2021 No.29279564

>>29279431
Thanks dude, this is some really valuable advice.
And as for the Alaska thing as long as there's internet, some lifting equipment and a warm bed I'll be set. I'm a very nocturnal person and I love the cold and isolation so I'm a dead ringer psychologically. My fallback career is a large animal vet but I'm nowhere near considering it yet.
What other resources did you use to help you learn more about policy work and landscape ecology jobs?

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:01:06 2021 No.29279579

>>29279403
I fell into it. I was an auditor because I didn’t know what to do when I left uni. I realised being an auditor was gay and useless. I’m a bit of an autist who has pretty decent recall so getting into a career based on a rules governed system appeals to me.

The reality is that once you’re inside a big company moving laterally is easy af. It’s cheaper to move you than hire someone new. Getting your foot in the door is not a meme

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:06:03 2021 No.29279778

>>29278911
Ive heard the same from so many of my wildlife friends its unfortunate. Policy work is incredibly competitive. I think I hopefully may have an in in the future, I work in environmental compliance at a government agency, but I'd probably have to go back and get my masters(I only have a BS in Natural Resource Management). The money right now is honestly pretty good, and in govt they have great options to specialize and lateral movement with the feds is truly a great thing. Its why I've always wanted a government job, its one of the last occupations where you're treated somewhat like a human being. I'm doing very well in crypto this year and at this rate in the future I could see myself moving to a simple park ranger job at a semi-urban park and have a comfy life(there are things in the city I need)

I got to dabble a little bit in landscape ecology in a previous job at an environmental nonprofit. The openings are there if you look hard enough, but with how many people want to do it, it might be tough even with a masters. Good luck anon.

>>29279020
Interpretive seems cool if its something you like. I've done some interpretive and telling the same speech again and again can get a little grating. I think I could do law enforcement at a semi urban park but anything outside of that no thanks. Heard too many horror stories of cartel operations in the parks, and confronting armed poachers sounds a bit too nervewracking for me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:06:24 2021 No.29279792 >>29279579 I work at a small company but shit how was the interview? I can’t even get an auditing job.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:08:48 2021 No.29279882

>>29279778
I hate having to compete with all the "muh nature" fags and only being another resume on USAJOBS in a sea of others, shit is demoralizing.
I'm trying my best to load up on experience but the path to the actual job is so vague I feel lost all the time.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:11:26 2021 No.29279978

>>29279564
I spent a couple months on the Kenai in the summer, so be prepared for a lot of daylight too. And bugs. Most mosquitos I've ever seen in my life. No the biggest. Not the meanest. But the most.

I don't have a good answer for you on resources. I'm still exploring policy and landscape stuff. I'm still a grad student and my thesis is on pure wildlife science, so I'm learning mostly independently. I didn't realize I wanted to switch/expand fields until November 2020, actually. I can say this though - whatever school you go to, see what the wildlife professors study and talk to the one that does big scale work. Take a landscape ecology class if you can. Read up on the Yellowstone to Yukon project, which a great example of big thinking in wildlife.

I'm currently reading up on assisted migration of species that are too slow to adapt to climate change. The only way to make it in this field is if you set yourself apart of the rest of the sheep. You'll see classmates do mediocre, maybe even good, in classes and get temp jobs or, worse yet, service jobs. You should not work a service job with a STEM degree. It's really easy to set yourself apart, though. Just ask questions in class, ask for opportunities to do bitch work for professors, apply for undergrad research grants at your school if they exist, make all As. This is not a difficult field to do that in. If you do all that, it won't matter what you want to end up doing. You'll get the damn job.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:12:37 2021 No.29280035

>>29279792
Interviews are all very samey at large organisations - because hr retards are the same wherever you are.

The specifics will be slightly different but you’ll get aptitude tests, competency interviews and group exercises. The great thing about larger companies is the interview volume is so high that you can usually pretty accurately research exactly what they’ll ask or are looking for. In prepping for interviews I basically had to play a character because I’m a weird guy - I mean full on practicing my responses to questions in front of a mirror. This is easier to do when you can read online the sort of things they ask. If you throw time and effort at this shit you’ll make it

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:16:02 2021 No.29280154

>>29279431
Kek youre giving me flashbacks to living in the barracks with rangers and wildland firefighters. I hate to say it but you are right. Come to think of it I can count the number of park rangers that got permanent I've met on a couple fingers. So many seasonals still living that life in their 30's, 40's 50's. Its pretty fucking depressing honestly how little respect they get. Ive become disillusioned with the NPS and FS from my time working alongside them. Underfunded, underappreciated, and it seems to manifest in a tremendous amount of dickmeasuring and petty people. But I guess thats everywhere.

It can be an interesting lifestyle if you're young though, get to live in new places, often free housing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:16:10 2021 No.29280163 >>29279579 what degree did you start out with? how to get started without going into the auditor route?

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:19:51 2021 No.29280303

>>29279778
Nice, anon. Compliance scares the shit out of me, especially after reading over ESA shit. So much red tape. You're doing god's work though.
I've been a contractor for a couple agencies and in different locations within the same agency. My experiences with the government actually made me never want to work for the feds. I'm starting to see that a lot of the people who were miserable weren't thinking outside the box, though. Lots of complaining about lack of funding. I worked with a biologist who actually went after external grants and brought in huge amounts of money to do awesome work, so it really is what you make of it.

Landscape ecology is definitely crowded, but it's an expanding field. I'm hoping to get a fellowship or job to introduce me to the field more broadly then go after a PhD in it.

>>29279882
USAJOBS is ass. Call the places you want to work at and ask to talk to people who seem interested. You'll still have to apply through the website, but it never hurts for them to recognize your name.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:19:56 2021 No.29280308

>>29279978
Thanks bro, I'm capping all these posts for later reference.
I DO have a plan somewhat, but it's mostly geared towards a ranger job but I'm sure there's more than enough overlap to be fine.
Here's the gist of it, I'm an AZfag:
>Going to uni and start a Wildlife Management degree (subject to change now as of this thread)
>In Feb 2022 apply for an AZ Game and Fish internship and hopefully get it to get some more experience, only about 3 months at most
>grind out as much degree as possible and be a total brown nose during the internship and to professors when necessary
>Hopefully get into the Park Ranger Training Program at the northern university (one of 7 in the entire country), that'll cost me about 7k
That will take me to the end of April 2023 and hopefully I'll have my B.S. by then as well.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:20:22 2021 No.29280321 >college dropout >crypto eng Where do I fall on the list?

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:20:59 2021 No.29280347

>>29280303
>USAJOBS is ass. Call the places you want to work at and ask to talk to people who seem interested. You'll still have to apply through the website, but it never hurts for them to recognize your name.
I definitely learned that from experience, going to do that next time around.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:22:10 2021 No.29280390 >>29280035 How do you find the answers though? I hate my degree/field, but I hate any kind of work. I tried to get into international tax but failed the question “why I wanted to do int tax”

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:24:57 2021 No.29280513

>>29279882
I have never ever gotten anything from USAJobs, only ever from connections and networking. I won't discourage you from throwing your applications out on there though.

I would recommend against a bachelors in wildlife though. The only doors that opens is wildlife tech making absolute shit money from what I've heard from all my wildlife friends.

If you want a useful Bachelors, I would recommend forestry, natural resources, silviculture, or GIS. You can learn GIS on your own though and get certificates through ESRI.

If you really want to get your feet wet and see what its like I would recommend americorps programs that give you a Public Land Corps hiring authority, something with Direct Hire Authority, the Forest Service RAP Program, or something that gives you an in. Americorps is easy as fuck to get into and the majority of them pay literal shit(many of them classify as volunteer so they can pay you less then minimum wage), a lot of them have age restrictions, but the Public Land Corps/Direct Hire/etc hiring authority is basically a guaranteed in. RAP and BLM Direct Hire are a lot more competitive though, I was very qualified when I applied to them and I still lost out at the last round of interviews to someone else.

Make no mistake, the environmental field is a competitive one, so I think it would be wise to at least get your feet wet before you decide to give it a shot because its somewhat of a commitment. Of course people love the natural world and many would rather work outdoors then be stuck in an office all day. If you dont have any "muh nature" in you at all then I'd honestly recommend against trying to get into the field.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:25:18 2021 No.29280532

>>29280154
I was doing research in a park last summer and stopped by the visitor center for some business stuff but also ask where to find the nearest shower. The ranger I talked to was maybe in his late 40s, early 50s. Dude had just driven across the country with his trailer. He told me the park couldn't give him housing so he was camping a local motel/tent camping place that had hot showers for $5. He was talking it up like it was some kind of paradise. The showers were surprisingly nice, but jesus christ. My goal is never become that ranger.

I also worked at a spot in Alaska where the same temps have been coming back each summer for 15+ years. Guys that are 35-50 years old still doing trail crew work. There were multiple issues with them hitting on the college age female interns. Fucking horrific. People shouldn't get anywhere near natural resources unless they're motivated or young with other plans for life.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:27:20 2021 No.29280601 Blockchain Engineer should be Unbelievable Tier. No unemployment and only 6-figure jobs

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:28:17 2021 No.29280644 File: 707 KB, 1000x750, dr canyon meadow.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>29280308 >AZ Game and Fish TYFYS

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:31:30 2021 No.29280749

>>29280513
Forestry was one of my main choices for degrees, and I'll take a look into all of those programs, thanks a lot.
I guess I just feel extremely pressured to rack up as many skills/experience as possible because of how competitive the job market is. I know I can do it but it's just so damn hard to lay down a solid action plan for the next few years.
>>29280644
Wish I had the time to go out to those places more, fucking hate Phoenix

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:32:02 2021 No.29280770

>>29280308
AZ fuckin rocks. Literally. Too many god damn rocks. Flagstaff is neat though.

But for real, that all sounds like a solid plan. Check out the Student Conservation Association for internships. I did 3 months with the US Fish and Wildlife Service in Maryland with them. Paid for travel, gave me a house, and gave an hourly stipend (below minimum wage, but when you're in buttfuck no where, there's not much to spend money on except food).

I think wildlife is fantastic place to start. Don't me to talk shit about it. I wouldn't change anything I did in undergrad. If you ever look at grad school though, don't get lost in the sexy positions.

>>29280513
Fully support GIS. Wish I was better at geospatial analysis. This will earn you a lot of money if you get good at it.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:32:07 2021 No.29280774

>>29280303
I have heard compliance sucks outside of being with the state or feds. Because everyone on project just wants to go ahead and dump their coal ash into the wetland and everyone hates you.
Theres actually still plenty of that at the state and federal level but the difference is you get the long dick of the law on your side, so whether they respect you or not, they gone learn one way or another. You get a pretty big dick as far as "swing your dick around" positions go.
As far as funding goes I am in a somewhat unique department so we dont have that problem(pretty rare). I have serious respect for grantwriters, but honestly grantwriting sounds fucking awful and a nightmare job.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:33:32 2021 No.29280825

>>29256759
Based. But I'd say trades also nets a good amount too. High risk welding like underwater makes pretty good returns and welders in oilsands made more than engineers at times.

Best part is the Trades grow up with a higher risk mindset so they end up taking riskier trades. Engineers that come fron the college breed have difficulty believing things that they can't claim they're experts on.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:35:54 2021 No.29280920

>>29280770
>Student Conservation Association
I looked at them briefly, I'll need to dig deeper.
>But for real, that all sounds like a solid plan.
Thanks for the heaping dose of hopium fren
So you're saying I should stick to the Wildlife Management degree for undergrad and narrow it down in post grad? I'm still torn between doing Forestry or Criminal Justice for my minor as well.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:36:35 2021 No.29280946
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>>29258431
> tfw mech engineer
been a meche for 10 years. worked on optics equipment. objectively it's a good job and very satisfying in the sense i design real shit and encounter real problems (i.e. mediating between an all woman science team and all man technician team).

day to day i am kind of disappointed because i legitimately had it in me to be elon musk tier but i found what i thought was a loving relationship in college so i spent many years fornicating instead of going full special forces mode on my studies like i did in high school. my problem is that i'm not fucked in the head enough these days. so yes, do meche, but plan to live near blood relatives and begin making children immediately after college. not having children/family or having built the sorcerer's apprentice machine is my biggest regret. one or the other would have been ok. manage your expectations: assume you will be slightly below average compared to what you did last semester, and you will be able to make a realistic plan that you are happy with.

also, don't try to thread uncoated stainless steel fasteners into stainless steel threaded inserts. they gall and the technicians are annoyed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:37:01 2021 No.29280968 >unbelievable tier more like pajeet tier Materials science is ELITE

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:37:29 2021 No.29280984

>>29280749
Forestry is good, just do your research on programs. My undergrad had a forestry program that was pretty much completely filled with dip-chewing, cousin-fucking hillbilly retards that just wanted to grow pine trees and cut them down.

There's a lot of pressure for sure. Take every opportunity you can find, and ask people for help. Seriously, just ask. Most people will just give you shit to do. You can wrack up experience quickly. Extra benefit to that is that your school will notice and give you scholarships and money. I got like $10k out of my school without even asking.

>>29280774
Grant writing is why I want out of academia. My thesis hasn't been supported by a grant, so my advisor has been paying out of his research funds, but I've applied to and been rejected by at least 10 grants to far.

Your position sounds awesome though. I'd love to face fuck some mining companies.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:37:54 2021 No.29281002

>>29280163
My degree was archaeology and anthropology - focus on social anthropology. Did it to smoke weed all day and scam on hipster girls.

I reckon you could grad scheme into this shit nowadays especially at the big four, by going into there risk assurance practices. Audit isn’t a route to anything nowadays as they’re being forced to separate it off from the rest of there businesses. These are great places to learn before going somewhere smaller and actually earning decent money.
>>29280390
If you wanted to do international tax you’d be an odd ball. Those sorts of questions need to be answered referencing the competencies they’re looking for - which are available in there promotional material.

E.g you know it’s a technical job and say one of the competencies they’re looking for is the ability to work in a team I’d say something gay like I want to work in int tax because due to x y z (either in education you’ve done or literally any other experience - real or made up they can’t check this shit) I’ve developed a real eye for detail. I like the way your organisation delivers this service to clients because In my experience it’s really important to work collaboratively in technical fields as this gives the best opportunity of reaching the best answers for clients. Not a perfect answer but something like that. Hr monkeys will have literal boxes you need to tick in your answers.

Forums and shit like glass door are decent places to start. He’ll even student room has good tips. You can even buy application packs online for the big four which give you decent examples of the tests and questions.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:39:28 2021 No.29281070

>>29280163
I should also say another easy route for Reg specifically is actually joining a regulator. Whilst not the route I took I know a few people who came up that way and none of them are amazingly intelligent - seems fairly chilled out compared to the private sector

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:40:46 2021 No.29281126

>>29259567
> finance
fuck you. pay is worse on average but better for the top few who can get qualified to run teams of junior guys. also all the finance guys i've met were into cheating/cuckoldry. fucked up. stay away.

> engineering
tend to have unattractive girlfriends, but it's honorable work.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:41:13 2021 No.29281148

>>29262049
I'm going through a medical separation process. I've got mental health issues. I've only done 4 years though, and I did claim tinnitus as well. I don't know my rating yet but should I expect a lot? Also have MST so that's that. I don't want to work just waste my life on Uncle Sam's dime.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:42:10 2021 No.29281184

>>29280532
Brutal. It sucks but thats the nature of fields where you have these passionate people that will do the work for dogshit pay. I could see myself doing that if I was retired though with a wife.
Was he definitely a ranger or a volunteer? Many parks I've seen are transitioning even more aggressively to phasing out ranger jobs for volunteers who literally get no pay just a RV hookup(even more bad omens for ranger jobs).

I will say one thing in that the environment field is full of fine ass, fit women. I have met so many high quality, beautiful women in the field, legitimately nice, driven, and interesting people. I think the environmental field attracts thoughtful empathetic women.

Male coworkers are a bit of a mixed bag. Lots of fun to hang out with, adventurous guys, many unstable, temps for life type people as you mentioned, and a lot of antisocial rednecks. At least they are more interesting then the average office drone.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:43:04 2021 No.29281218 >>29280984 I'll definitely be spending a lot more time adding details to my action plan, and it's a good thing I'm naturally inclined to help out too, so I should have no problem building up a solid network of people to make connections with.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:43:18 2021 No.29281228

>>29280920
All depends anon. I think wildlife is great for an undergrad. Most universities won't offer degrees is the kind of shit I'm interested in. If you go to a decent school, though, wildlife will expose you to:
>wildlife, obviously
>forestry
>policy
>landscape
>GIS
>genetics
>botany
>geology
>recreation management

You could get a taste of a lot of things, which is probably a good thing for you. Wildlife degree with a forestry minor is probably a god-tier undergrad approach. Be careful with the criminal justice bit. You should absolutely go for that if you want it, but know what you want out of it. Do you want to be a police office in a park? Game warden? Detective with criminal division of USFWS? Work on illegal wildlife trade? There's a lot there to choose from.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:46:42 2021 No.29281357

>>29281228
Criminal Justice would be if I were shooting for the trooper/warden job but that's honestly my second choice and it wouldn't be hard to get into that specific field if I get far enough in the main career path regardless. So I'll stick with the Wildlife Management/Forestry combo then.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:49:43 2021 No.29281459

Lawfag here. Been 15 years since I graduated, but law in "meh tier"? Seriously?
Depends on your ability and school. If you're not retarded life is fucking easy street. Problem is they do let retards study law and then they can't get jobs thinking but still think they're big-shots anyway. As a subject though, its both interesting and massively rewarding if you are good enough.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:51:04 2021 No.29281497

>>29281184
Yeah he was a full blown interp ranger. The volunteers are always pleasant, and I wouldn't mind being one when I'm retired, but honestly I'd like to provide some higher tier assistance than handing out pamphlets. I just see so many people get used and abused by this system and I don't want to be beaten into submission.

Environmental women are A+, wildlife women are F- lol. My undergrad cohort was like 90% men. Another 8% were fat, masculine women. The remaining 2% were meh women. Not a single hotty. Same for my grad cohort. One of my lab mates was incredible, but she left after 6 months because our advisor is kind of a sexist asshole.

The environmental science women I've encountered have been fucking gorgeous though.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:53:48 2021 No.29281606

>>29280749
If you were to pick any skill I would pick GIS. Very tangible, hard skill and one of the only ones in the environmental field that you can take to the private sector if it doesn't work out/you dont like environmental.

>>29280770
>>29280749

How is Tucson? I am thinking of moving out there. Its about the perfect size city for me and I've heard it has a good vibe. Is Phoenix really that bad, I never hear anything good about it.

It seems like Tucson and Phoenix are the best cities because I like how you're a couple hours from puerto penasco. Yuma seems too small. Any other good cities in AZ?

>>29280984
Agreed on being careful with forestry. I did a season dropping trees and what sucks is no matter how careful YOU are your methhead coworker can drop a tree on you and kill your ass. It pays well but it is one of the most dangerous jobs in the US, cops will bitch and moan but being a forester is statistically way way more dangerous.

Good luck with your thesis anon. Academia is a strange ecosystem in and of itself. I generally just work with stakeholders internally, but I have a friend who works in a position interfacing with some of these mining companies and plants out in the middle of nowhere and it is a mix of true american rural desperation and some absolute scum of the earth.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 02:55:26 2021 No.29281662

>>29281357
>>29281184
>>29280644
Good to see some natural resource people on /biz/. I don't know anyone irl who's into crypto or stocks so this is neat. The thread is probably gonna get archived soon, so nice chatting with you folks.

>>29278723
Good luck anon! You're gonna make it in your job and in your wallet.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 03:00:41 2021 No.29281829
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>>29281606
>How is Tucson?
I don't have much experience with Tuscon but the general consensus is that you encounter more bad neighborhoods the more south you go in AZ, go figure.
Phoenix isn't terrible per se but it's very crowded and it's Old Fuck Central. Great for businesses though, although in recent years anything that is torn down is turned into an apartment complex and those things are already fucking everywhere.
I'm a Phoenixfag and I'm moving north the first chance I get, the Californians and East Coasters can have this state. I'd recommend visiting it around the fall or around late January to late February, the weather is perfect and sunny so it's perfect for hiking and seeing the natural sites.
>>29281662
>>29281606
Thanks a lot one last time frens, I've learned more in one thread than I have in the past year combing through /out/ and reddit so I'm eternally grateful.
Thanks

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 03:04:31 2021 No.29281989

>>29281497
>Environmental women are A+, wildlife women are F- lol. My undergrad cohort was like 90% men. Another 8% were fat, masculine women. The remaining 2% were meh women. Not a single hotty. Same for my grad cohort. One of my lab mates was incredible, but she left after 6 months because our advisor is kind of a sexist asshole.

Kek that sucks man. I know it sounds crazy but I've become convinced that in the environmental/wildlife field people literally resemble the things they study. The ornithologist people all have bird like features, the entomologist people have bug-like qualities, etc. I met a guy that studied moss and he was quite literally the embodiment of moss, cant make this shit up, makes me laff just thinkin about that guy. Forestry is definitely a male dominated field and most the women Ive seen in it are some hairy samsquanch lookin bitches, I imagine the fat masculine looking women you're talking about.

There were some serious wife-tier chicks in my undergrad and past jobs, but all my jobs were seasonal/temp, even the one im in now is 100% travel. I don't mind as I like travelling and just do flings but it does suck when they are some quality women and you can see yourself settling down with them but in a month you're off to a new town.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 03:05:12 2021 No.29282029
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>>29281829
One last recommendation anon. You'll probably have to read it for a class if you haven't already, but get yourself a copy of A Sand County Almanac by Aldo Leopold.

The essays Thinking Like a Mountain and Escudilla are incredible. The entire book defines what it means to be in this field. It's a holy book in wildlife.

Anonymous Sun Feb 21 03:09:33 2021 No.29282214

>>29281989
I feel ya dude. I got intimate with a chick in the last 2 weeks of a 2 month gig. Didn't even have sex. Just went camping and spooned and shit. She was wicked smart and gracious. Even wrote me a card after I left about her crush on me. It hurt leaving that.

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