One of my best friends just sent me this lol

[Anonymous No.29246607]

Sounds like such bullshit FUD propaganda.

https://decrypt.co/28560/quantum-computers-could-crack-bitcoins-encryption-by-2022

[Anonymous No.29246645]

And yes, I saw that it's from May 2020.

[Anonymous No.29246730]

>>29246607
that was the fud that keynsians started to spread after bitcoin started to recover around the halving last year.

They were masturbating all over the internet when bitcoin fell in march due to dxy going up as normie escaped stonks.

And when they got scared of btc going up they started to fud at insane levels.

[Anonymous No.29246749]

>>29246607
All the scientists that run quantum computers are nocoiners that have better use of their time than to crack the encryption of some meme internet coin.

Now if you gave a quantum computer to 4chan though....

[Anonymous No.29246776]

>>29246607
Quantum computing is a scam like shooting down a missile with a missile.

We’re better off investing resources in making CPUs work better like Apple did. Everything is built on bloat and half baked ideas from 50 years ago. We don’t need scifi solutions to shit that aint broke, just mismanaged/designed wrong

[Anonymous No.29246804]

don’t be angry little man , buy some Bitcoin and you can also enjoy easy gains like the rest of us

[Anonymous No.29246892]

>>29246607
Even if it is possible, therell be people working even harder to prevent it.

[Anonymous No.29247036]

>could crack Bitcoin
Look not sure how to say this, bit if modern encryption gets broken Bitcoin is the least of everyone's concerns. You are talking about mountains of real economic and infrastructure systems completely fucked.
At least with crypto you have active development teams that will just bump key sizes and tell people to migrate before an event.
Can you say the same about shitty government run power grids etc?

[Anonymous No.29247148]

>solar flares electrifying every piece of metal on earth

[Anonymous No.29247749]

>>29246607
memes aside, I don't understand what goes on in the mind of smoothbrains. They freak out about crypto whenever quantum computing is mentioned, despite quantum computing being a solved problem in crypto (fork, move to quantum resistant algorithm). And they don't worry about all the companies, hospitals, airports, local power infrastructure, water supply running on legacy systems with no clear upgrade path to anything quantum resistant

>Bitcoin and even other cryptocurrencies and their history are filled with examples of hardware and software changes that had to be made to make the network more secure and performant — and good security practices in the present (avoiding wallet reuse) can help prepare for a more uncertain future.
>So quantum computers being added to the mix won’t suddenly render classical modes of encryption useless or mining trivial — “quantum supremacy” now doesn’t mean that your encryption or the security of bitcoin is at risk right at this moment.
>The real threat is when quantum computers become many scales larger than they currently are — by which point planning for post-quantum encryption, which is already well on the way would come to the fore, and at which point bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies can soft fork — and use both decentralized governance and dynamism when needed in the face of new existential threats to defeat the threat of “quantum supremacy”.

Post-Quantum Cryptography PQC
https://csrc.nist.gov/projects/post-quantum-cryptography

Committing to quantum resistance: a slow defence for Bitcoin against a fast quantum computing attack
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rsos.180410

Are hash functions strong against quantum cryptanalysis and/or independent enough of mathematics?
https://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/59375/are-hash-functions-strong-against-quantum-cryptanalysis-and-or-independent-enoug

[Anonymous No.29247847]

>>29246607
op send this >>29247749 to you "friend"

[Anonymous No.29248034]

>>29246607
>quantum decryption is coming
so is quantum encryption

[Anonymous No.29248060]

>>29247036

pretty much this, say goodbye to online banking as well, as a lot of large load balancing platforms have trouble with larger keys.
Actually AWS might just throw money at it until it works so i guess that would only affect services that still use dedicated hosting

[Anonymous No.29248072]

>>29246607
Even if QC became a threat, it is only theoretically possible to derive a private key from a known public key. So even Bitcoin in its current state can adapt to avoid the issue.

[Anonymous No.29248082]

>>29246607
doubtful 2122 more like it

[Anonymous No.29248093]

>>29246607
>One of my best friends just sent me this lol
No, you found it yourself and decided to post it here as bait.

[Anonymous No.29248153]

>>29247148
Based and CME pilled

[Anonymous No.29248164]

>>29247036
bitcoin has an unusually small bitsize and a good financial incentive for an attack.

[Anonymous No.29248169]

>>29247847
I know. It's fucking ridiculous. And don't come at me guys. I own some Bitcoin and a lot of crypto in general. I'll reply to him and see what he says and I'll update lol.

[Anonymous No.29248236]

you can hedge with Mochimo

[Anonymous No.29248239]

>>29248093
I'm not that good at baiting lmao. Like I said above, I own Bitcoin and other coins as well.

[Anonymous No.29248256]

>>29248034
this, quantum proof algorithms already exist

[Anonymous No.29248285]

>>29247749
>companies, hospitals, airports, local power infrastructure, water supply running on legacy systems
none of these things require encryption

[Anonymous No.29248288]

>>29248060
not how it works. migrating all ssl tunnels and certs from small bit keys to larger bit keys can be done in a week. migrating old p2pk addresses without the owners is impossible.

[Anonymous No.29248328]

>>29246607
This guy's wearing a quantum computer. Imagine an entire warehouse of quantum computers linked together

All of the old bitcoin addresses will get cracked, its estimated 20% of bitcoin is lost, ~4m bitcoin.

[Anonymous No.29248347]

>>29246607
Quantum computing researcher here.
My (soviet) advisor used to say that practical quantum computing is like communism, always 20 years away. This is still true today.

[Anonymous No.29248396]

maybe this will 1000x then
https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/quantum-resistant-ledger

[Anonymous No.29248500]

>>29248328
it won't be lost post quantum thats actually a plus.

[Anonymous No.29248508]

>>29248285
Not a programmer but aren’t credentials needed to validate a authorized login encrypted to and from the sender and receiver? If you intercepted the data in between you would understand it because it’s encrypted but won’t quantum computing be able to brute force that?

[Anonymous No.29248565]

>>29248328
thats bullshit quantum computers need to be close to absolute zero in temp to function that aint no quantum computer i hope this is a joke post

[Anonymous No.29248627]

>>29248347
indeed also signature aggregation will make bitcoin pretty fucking quantum resistant in the future.

[Anonymous No.29248772]

I actually know how to factor arbitrarily large primes instantaneously, but I like gambling shitcoins too much as a hobby so I'm just sitting on it.

[Anonymous No.29248811]

>>29248285
Are you being sarcastic are you actually retarded? You shouldn't wander too far from your wrangler without a helmet

[Anonymous No.29248831]

>>29248565
i have seen quantum levitation in non lab environment with a little liquid nitrogen you could possibly do it.

[Anonymous No.29248851]

>>29246607
this is literally 2017 tier fud just like the SEC banning bitcoin fud, the china banning bitcoin fud, jesus christ they coudl at least come up with new fud instead of rolling out thes same tired shit over and over again

[Anonymous No.29248938]

>>29246607

There is not a single quantum computer in existence, not even a blue print.

The whole field of quantum computing is an academic hoax.

[Anonymous No.29249042]

>>29246607
Guess what. If btc is cracked then everything is cracked. All of fintech. All classified information. All telecom. Everything.
In efforts to take down btc, they miss the bigger picture: everything important is encrypted with the best methods we have. Including btc.

[Anonymous No.29249161]

>>29248938
thats not true ibm has 55 qbit q computers you can rent out

[Anonymous No.29249409]

>>29248938
I work in a research lab that does quantum computer development. They don't exist, but they will, and there absolutely tons of ideas and labs out there working towards them. Physics labs break new ground on a literally daily basis, most of it is decades away from impacting your life though, when the first quantum computer is out there everyone will replicate it and development will completely explode. Hold onto your bitcoins

[Anonymous No.29249420]

>>29249161
Do they run crysis?

[Anonymous No.29249636]

>>29246607
Found this from a few weeks ago send it to him
https://www.zdnet.com/article/who-needs-a-supercomputer-your-desktop-pc-and-a-gpu-might-be-enough-to-solve-some-of-the-largest-problems/

From the article:
>>>
Who needs a supercomputer? Your desktop PC and a GPU might be enough to solve some of the largest problems

A new method significantly reduces the amount of memory needed for brain simulations, freeing some AI models from the need for a supercomputer.

[Anonymous No.29249829]

>>29249420
hell no but they factor your birthdate real fast

[Anonymous No.29249955]

>>29248288

I think I might not have communicated clearly. I was saying that larger bit keys (as you said, easy solution) will sharpy lower the SSL TPS that a lot of dedicated load balancers, so companies with dedicated hosting will probably struggle with up-time if this just suddenly "happened".

[Anonymous No.29249956]

>>29246607
>>29249636
why would people want to read any of this, if being in crypto has taught me anything its to never, never ever listen to what sniveling j*rnalists have to say

[Anonymous No.29249980]

>>29246607
2022 is very, very ambitious. Also they would still only hack one address an quantum or not, it would take more time and power than it will probably yield.

[Anonymous No.29249992]

>>29248938
this. quantum computing is the emperor's new clothes of the 4ir age. it is simulated by fabricating risc architecture processors based on common core math

[Anonymous No.29250064]

>>29246607
Anyways, nothing that a wallet upgrade could not fix.

[Anonymous No.29250071]

>>29248169
I smell reddit

[Anonymous No.29250139]

>>29246607
If bitcoin gets crack then every personal information is cracked. lol.

[Anonymous No.29250142]

Bitcoin will always go up.
Forever.
Isn't that right, OP?

[Anonymous No.29250184]

>>29246607
Will never happen, and even if it does Bitcoin being cracked will be the least of your problem because everything else will lso be cracked.

[Anonymous No.29250217]

this will be solved by xx coin developed by David Chaum

[Anonymous No.29250327]

>>29249992
If you think about it, blockchain tech is better suited for quantum computing.

[Anonymous No.29250398]

>>29246776
>CPUs work better like Apple did
anon, I...

[Anonymous No.29250478]

bitcoin actually uses three different encryption methods (sha256, ripemd160, and ecdsa). even if quantum computing were able to crack one, btc could easily swap it out for a different one

[Anonymous No.29250570]

>>29248508
Simply put you only need the private key to control the address. It's just like picking a lock, trying every possible combination.

- The blockchain is entirely public and contains mining and regular transactions with addresses as well as their public keys.
- The code to generate those private and public keys is open source.
- They can extract all addresses and public keys from the blockchain to use in offline brute forcers.

Using the list of known public keys and the code to generate a private & public key pair, they try every combination of recovery phrases since the recovery word list is also public, if any matching public key is found then they have the private key to unlock and transfer.

It would take millions of years for a regular computer but a quantum computer with the right algorithms will reduce that down to a few seconds. Private keys are just a long number.

[Anonymous No.29250605]

>>29250398
m1 processor isn't a meme, its just appleware so you get what you pay for, as in its closed to shit, but its not a piece of garbage.

[Anonymous No.29250633]

>>29246607
>could

[Anonymous No.29250762]

if quantum computers could suddenly reverse sha256 hashes then we'd be fucked in all sorts of ways beyond meme coins

[Anonymous No.29250773]

>>29250398
Intel-based CPUs are based on poor designs from the 1970s. It’s why mobile CPUs blow the doors off of them, and part of the reason a GPU is even a thing

[Anonymous No.29250845]

>>29246607
how about creating a new uncrackable blockchain with them?
that will be the actual future currency

[Anonymous No.29250846]

>>29248164
For elliptic curves, 256 bit is not that small. For rsa that would be unusually small.

[Anonymous No.29250862]

>>29248164
elaborate the implication

[Anonymous No.29250971]

>>29250398
My point is, we can redesign things we already do now. Only a behemoth company like IBM or Apple would even bother. And good luck about IBM caring about mass market/consoomer adoption

Saying quantum is coming soon is like waiting for nuclear fusion. Pie in the sky.

[Anonymous No.29251040]

>>29246607
this is like when crypto faggots come into /pmg/ talking about asteroid mining but more realistic.

[Anonymous No.29251077]

>>29250605
That's also pretty much an "alpha" or "early access" version of their processor right now. In 2-3 years of time or 2-3 processor generations, that shit is going to btfo both intel and amd. It's literal iPhone in the world of microprocessors - high performance, high reliability, exceptionally superior memory management, supreme battery life, top-tier quality, copycat by every industry nigger as the best product on the market. Literally can't wait to get my hands on 2nd or 3rd generation of their processor with MBA or MBP.

[Anonymous No.29251088]

>>29246607
Would the opposite not be true as well, with quantum computers making crypto more secure? This is just going to be the same old race with the two sides leapfrogging eachother.

[Anonymous No.29251242]

>>29246776
Holy fuck, this faggot is an actual retard

[Anonymous No.29251259]

Well he disappointed us, anons. I thought he would give a good response kek

[Anonymous No.29251329]

>>29249829
No, but they can round ya moma's asshole to an infinite number of pies.

[Anonymous No.29251340]

>>29248169
Don't tell him. Let him remain a seething nocoiner

[Anonymous No.29251343]

>>29246607
Cardano is quantum resistant, read about Ouroboros and Hydra. Cardano wins again.

[Anonymous No.29251353]

>>29246607
But quantum computers are a ponzi scam. A rugpull for public tax money

[Anonymous No.29251467]

>>29251259
What an actually reasonable guy

[Anonymous No.29251474]

>>29251077
YOOOO so it be like the dark souls of processors?? DAMN YO, F'REAL

[Anonymous No.29251737]

>>29248328
Very creative cosplay!

[Anonymous No.29251986]

>>29251343
>don't have a working product, price purely based on hype
>thus not affected by technological progress
Nice

[Anonymous No.29252315]

>>29246607
>quantum anything

vaporware, not happening in 200 years

[Anonymous No.29252329]

>>29246607
Utter bullshit, nothing remotely useful has been accomplished on a quantum computer and it won't happen any time soon. This kind of fud is almost as old as bitcoin.
That said if a computer courd consistently break sha256 in an acceptable timeframe, your bitcoins going to 0 would be your last concerns.

[Anonymous No.29252480]

>>29246607
That's not entirely FUD. It's true that quantum computers can and likely will crack crypto unless we see quantum resistant upgrades to the system. The current timeline estimates don't make 2022 seem like a possibility though. I'm thinking more like 2030 for government agencies backdooring some chains, and mid 2030's for rouge hackers to start fucking things up. Also more importantly, we'll have bigger issues than cryptocurrencies getting cracked, such as your employer's payroll tech getting BTFO. It's definitely safe to invest now, but that "FUD" is (partially) real, and worth keeping in your back pocket.

[Anonymous No.29252685]

>>29251467
Yea he is. Despite being a liberal, he's been one of my best friends forever. Good dude.

[Anonymous No.29252689]

>>29246607
If you crack bitcoin, you crack the internet. Your entire bank account and any account that is connected to a server. You crack Google for fucks sake. It would just be another scenario where non-perishable foods and ammunition would be exceedingly valuable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9JGmA5_unY

[Anonymous No.29253078]

Its fud, but its not fud in the way that if quantum computers could break btc you'd have far more to lose than just your internet coins

[Anonymous No.29253179]

>>29252480
No it's not, quantum resistant crypto are a marketing meme, no one can predict for sure if we can reliably be able to build enough qbit to break sha256 in 2/5/10 years. Any country/company reaching this kind of breakthrough will gain a massive advantage over its competition, more like a cheat code desu. This kind of shit is a trigger for ww3. That said not gonna happen anytime soon.

[Anonymous No.29253224]

>>29252480
2030 was the old timeline before we realized china was getting stolen americian tech. Check out the QUESS network they are building if you want to see how advanced they are getting.

[Anonymous No.29253253]

>>29250605
>locked bootloader - no bootcamp - can't install or boot linux or windows
>virtualization limited to arm64 machines - no windows x86 or linux x86 virtual machines
>only 2 thunderbolt ports
>limited to 16GB RAM
>no external gpu support/drivers - can't use nvidia or amd cards
>shitty to no gaming
>can't run x86 containers without finding/building for arm64 or taking huge performance hit with qemu-static
>uncertain future of macos as it continues to be locked down

a real steal. Vidya is for kids though so who cares about gaming. But now all the already instantaneous applications I use can be just as instantaneous.

[Anonymous No.29253260]

>>29250570
He asked something different if I'm not mistaken

[Anonymous No.29253359]

>>29253253
>But now all the already instantaneous applications I use can be just as instantaneous.
based

[Anonymous No.29253478]

>>29246607
Why do they have to make quantum computers look so fucking disturbing?

[Anonymous No.29254242]

>>29248772
>I actually know how to factor arbitrarily large primes instantaneously, but I like gambling shitcoins too much as a hobby so I'm just sitting on it.
lol based degenerate idiot

[Anonymous No.29254344]

>>29246607
This is why Chainlink will replace btc.

[Anonymous No.29254930]

>>29250846
that's the point its the bitsize that limits q computers most

[Anonymous No.29254999]

>>29250862
if a q computer of 700qbita reaches supremacy the satoshi coins will start to move

[Anonymous No.29255125]

>>29246607
i'd rather end up homeless than sell my btc

[Anonymous No.29255203]

>>29253179
breaking sha256 is a bad meme
not gonna happen and its hard to even define what it would mean

[Anonymous No.29255395]

>>29246607
If bitcoin is cracked literally all encryption is cracked which has much wider implications

[Anonymous No.29255620]

>>29255395
no that's retarded like i said bitsize of key makes a magnitude of difference because its exponentially harder to add a single entangled qbit
its possible that we see a q computer able to break a stronger 256 bit ecdsa and being completely powerless against a weak 1024 bit rsa

[Anonymous No.29256031]

>>29255395
also understand something there is no reason to beleive a limited sized q computer would be faster to break symmetric encryption than your phone.

there could be special cases some theory for a q computer effective against symmetric encryption for known plain text exists but it's trival to spoof it. i'm not a crypto expert just a hobbyist and i can define a quantum safe crypto protocol in 5 minutes.

[Anonymous No.29256038]

>>29253478
>Why do they have to make quantum computers look so fucking disturbing?
It's because they actually have to operate at like -460 degrees F to get the weird shit to occur

It's really a giant fridge with a processor suspended in it

[Anonymous No.29256101]

>>29247036
quantum will be like computers were in the 70s, big and cumbersome, it will only be used for research purposes and will take at least 20-30 years before it can be used in the private sector, by that time they will have quantum clouds that will protect your data will literal subatomic encryption based on half-lifes

[Anonymous No.29256109]

>>29256031
sorry i meant spoil it.

[Anonymous No.29256134]

>>29246607
You guys do know that a 51% attack exists, right. It's really not impossible. Far from it.

[Anonymous No.29256285]

>>29256134
51% attacks still not able to break the ruleset. they are denial of service type attacks and you may have potential issues with finality if 51% goes awol (shadow mining).
q computers (what we talking about in this thread) are far more sinister.

[Anonymous No.29256547]

>>29247148
unironically think this would be a good thing

[Anonymous No.29256688]

>>29246776
this guy clearly doesnt know how powerful quantum physics and computers are lol honestly bro just kill yourself

[Anonymous No.29256705]

>>29246607
FUD. BTC uses sha256. Quantum computers are good at factorials and that kind of thing. So RSA/elliptical curve algos.. not sha2 tho

[Anonymous No.29256845]

>>29253253
1. false, you can load linux, they just need to be ported to m1
2. false, you can use rosetta 2 to virtualize windows x86 vms, parallels has it in beta

[Anonymous No.29256952]

>>29246607
>friends just sent me this lol
Go back faggot

[Anonymous No.29257013]

>>29256705
yes and no. bitcoin uses sha256 in ways that doesn't make sense to attack with a q computer anyhow. so only brainlets talk about q computers and sha256. it's the secp256k1 that is the main concern in case of a known public key. and more importantly deterministic hierarchic key generation (anything seed based hardware wallets whatever) is vulnerable for a single leaked private key because it generates the entire hierarchy even if it's spent.

[Anonymous No.29257338]

>>29256285
you have much more than just a DOS type attack

[Anonymous No.29257422]

>>29257338
not really. with a 51% you can enforce censorship of addresses basically. that's all you can do.

[Anonymous No.29257664]

>>29257422
you could also mine empty blocks and reorg anyone that includes a tx that's the full denial of service scenario.

[Anonymous No.29257939]

Here is a very simple test for quantum brainlets ....How long would it take to crack a 10 character password if each failed attempt adds 2 minutes ( cumulatively ) to the next attempt.

[Anonymous No.29258110]

>>29257939
that's not even a problem that possibly involves quantum computing.

[Anonymous No.29258403]

>>29258110
obviously, it a simple solution that completly defeats quantum cracking.

[Anonymous No.29258713]

>>29258403
only works in a centralized setting. completely inapplicable to crypto.
nah a problem that would involve quantum computing sounds like this:
>How long would it take to crack a 10 character password with known hash and salt.
the answer is difficult a q computer if sufficient size could generate all solutions at once. but since hashes are 1-way functions thus don't have an inverse operation there is just no one solution.

[Anonymous No.29259103]

Split the chain and implement quantum-safe encryption. These solutions are already further developed than quantum CPUs themselves.

[Anonymous No.29259348]

I work as a researcher for superconducting qubits, and while shit like this is far away, people in the field are literally drowning in money. Governments and corps alike throw money at us right now. Theres no reason to be afraid, but therell be a lot happening in the field soon

[Anonymous No.29259470]

>>29259103
you can't apply a quantum patch on old addresses. there is no way. and there is no way to move all coins to quantum resistant addresses before quantum supremacy is achieved on the secp256k1.
we can probably move 70% of the coins to addresses that are highly quantum resistant. but say 20% will remain vulnerable. and that is a lot. a lot will remain forever unsalvageable too. the only hope is that even with a q computer it will take a fucking while to "mine" all those vulnerable addresses. and thus it won't cause a panic.

[Anonymous No.29259956]

quantum computing is the technological equivalent of researchers trying to come up with cures for cancer. retarded shit that will never get anywhere because it's not commercially viable.

[Anonymous No.29259973]

>>29259348
what exactly is the main purpose behind quantum computer development?
trying to deal with np problems in general? or it's just a cold war ptsd situation?

[Anonymous No.29260089]

>>29247749
>Poly1305 is an almost-universal hash family, which, when used with a uniform random key for a single message, has forgery probability for messages of L bytes bounded by 8L/16/2106. This means that an adversary, given (m,a) where a=Poly1305k(m) for a uniform random choice of k unknown to the adversary, has probability at most 8L/16/2106 of forging a pair (m,a) where m≠m.
are cryptographers saying that for real or they just purposefully tell things the most complicated way possible to filter anyone with less than 10 years of phd level maths education

[Anonymous No.29260142]

I'm willing to bet that quantum computers will turn out to be a meme.

[Anonymous No.29260380]

>>29260142
they are awesome when you have a problem set way too large to iterate but you can filter for the solution criteria effectively.
that will have it's uses.

[Anonymous No.29260648]

>>29259973
Quantum computing promises exponential speedup (that's super good) for specific problems. Examples are machine learning (HHL algorithm), quantum chemistry (vqe, promising for drug development) and prime factorisation (shors algo, why theyre """dangerous""" for encryption) Of course this is more nuanced in reality and they will probably used in hybrid with classical computers. It is theoretically proven that they provide this speedup, we just have to build better hardware. Some people are sceptical that this is possible, but most are optimistic, especially because of the huge industry interest.

[Anonymous No.29260682]

>>29260089
what do you mean anon, you do get at least the general gist of it.. r-right anon??

[Anonymous No.29260788]

>>29260648
>they will probably used in hybrid with classical computers
obviously but that's not what i meant. is the primary motivation that the opponents are developing so we must also be armed, or is there actual worthwhile use researchers are looking forward to apply?

[Anonymous No.29260813]

>>29260682
yeah me too I can put english and scientific terms into a mixer and copy paste the result

[Anonymous No.29261205]

>>29246607
Every picture ever shown of a "quantum computer" is an artist's rendition.Quantum computers are a meme for popular mechanics types and gullible aristocrats still trying to find someone that will promise to turn lead into gold. the rules of the game cannot be broken.

[Anonymous No.29261309]

>>29260788
i actually overread the np part. Quantum has its own complexity classes and its not sure yet if the set of quantum p problems is bigger than the classical set and maybe even jf some np equivalent problems are in quantum p. Im sceptical of this desu i dont think this will happen.
One can speculate on what the ''motivation'' of the investment by politicians is. But researchers generally dont care about politics. I assure you we do this because we think theres true value.
Also the hybrid thing is actually not obvious at all.

[Anonymous No.29261365]

>>29260089
It's called talking out of your ass.

[Anonymous No.29261605]

>>29248831
>>29248565
>>29248328
You see the exposed part with wires hanging near his ass, thats encased in a big sphere and its almost absolute zero kelvin, which is like below the temperature of space. Its not exposed like that, 100% sure its bullshit.

[Anonymous No.29261660]

>>29246607
If they do that, the engineers will get merced, as will their families.

[Anonymous No.29261862]

>>29260648
The main issue is that it gets exponentially harder to raise the qubits number and thats whats required to do more complex calculation. Theres a physics related problem where they are almost at a wall already.

[Anonymous No.29261986]

>>29261862
What "physics related problem" and what wall are you talking about. For what system?

[Anonymous No.29262147]

>>29261986
Im not that much of an expert but to increase the current calculations it requires exponentially more power, they cant just increase the wafer size and make it process more cubits, its like a too big to work anymore type thing.

[Anonymous No.29262287]

>>29261986
qubits*
Pretty much google why cant quantum computers use bigger wafers

[Anonymous No.29262433]

>>29262147
>>29261986
Oh duh. Its a HEAT thing. When they make them bigger it raises the temperature beyond the required almost absolute zero they need.

[Anonymous No.29262545]

>>29246607
shors requires something like a thousand qubits to break bitcoin, not going to happen

[Anonymous No.29262819]

>>29262433
This is the main challenge right now, yes, its called decoherence. Basically your qubits dont stay in the induced states long enough. But i dont know what the wall is you meant. Obviously it's a hard problem, thats why there are thousands of physicists working on this, but that's normal in science. Its not clear at all if there is a hard wall, otherwise nobody would be funding research.

[Anonymous No.29263010]

>>29262819
Well I said a wall, not a hard wall. They thought they hit a wall in computer processors like 15 years ago and then broke through it, made rapid advances.

[Anonymous No.29263205]

>>29246776
you are retarded

>>29246607
this technology is minimum 10 years out, and when it's solid enough it's not going to be used on crypto first.

[Anonymous No.29263240]

>>29262433
>>29262819
>Can factorize integers at room temperature like a boss
Nothing personnel kid

[Anonymous No.29263397]

>>29261309
>Also the hybrid thing is actually not obvious at all.
it was always obvious to me. quantum computers will never work the same as traditional computers. you better think of them as a special periphery to a traditional supercomputer.

[Anonymous No.29263448]

>>29246607
it would also crack every bank account and banks bank account and feds account, if u could break a bitcoin key like that you could delete everyones money anyways lol

[Anonymous No.29263517]

>>29262545
700 by my calculations at minimum. not an exact number but you have to account for a public key a private key and ecc

[Anonymous No.29263569]

>>29250398
>Posted from a Windows device
Lmao

[Anonymous No.29263587]

>>29263448
no this thing doesn't translate like that at all.

[Anonymous No.29264053]

>>29247036
Bitcoin won't be "cracked", just all of the private keys scanned to find wallets with money in

[Anonymous No.29264090]

>>29264053
wallet scanning is one typical example that you can't fucking do with a q computer.

[Anonymous No.29264380]

>>29246776
RISC V > m1.
simple as.

[Anonymous No.29264405]

>>29249161
>thats not true ibm has 55 qbit q computers you can rent out

I assure you, it isn't a quantum computer in any real sense.

[Anonymous No.29264444]

>>29247036
thank you for having a brain. It is very rare these days. Nuclear launch codes are protected by the same encryption as bitcoin. I'm starting to believe that some 'humans' are really demons. nobody could be so fucking stupid right?

[Anonymous No.29264450]

>>29246607
>they cracked the bitcoin
>oh nooo

[Anonymous No.29264451]

>>29263397

[Anonymous No.29264504]

>>29264405
if you could prove that we could short ibm to shiterins

[Anonymous No.29264777]

>>29262819
What degree do you have? How did you start working in this field?

[Anonymous No.29264845]

>>29249409
>They don't exist, but they will

So far, there isn't even a conceptual napkin-based blueprint on how to construct a quantum computer. Your entire field is an academic embezzlement scheme.

[Anonymous No.29264928]

>>29264504
He can't prove it

[Anonymous No.29265041]

>>29264845
Go back to /pol you're a retard

[Anonymous No.29265230]

>>29264928
i know but i also know that smaller quantum computers could be emulated on some traditional computers and if you queue the jobs it would be hard to tell for an outside observer.
53 qbit is already quite too big tho for this game.

[Anonymous No.29265257]

>>29246749
>Now if you gave a quantum computer to 4chan though....
Jesus fuck. I can’t even imagine how fucking awesome that would be.

[Anonymous No.29265480]

>>29265257
https://quantum-computing.ibm.com/
knock yourself out!
maybe you could one day solve trip codes or something...

[Anonymous No.29265686]

>>29246776

[Anonymous No.29265690]

>>29247036
That pic related really encapsulates the inner being of the average consooomer.

[Anonymous No.29265904]

>>29265230
That may be true, I don't know enough about it but you made me want to look into it. I just know the other guy was full of shit.

[Anonymous No.29266081]

>>29251040
kek this

[Anonymous No.29266164]

>>29265904
most people in this thread are full of shit.
the only thing i know for absolutely fucking sure is that breaking single specific encryption scheme doesn't automatically translate to all crypto and security systems by some magical way. it's a bad omen for the future sure but decades may pass between breaking small key ecdsa and breaking large key rsa for example.

[Anonymous No.29266305]

>>29248060
Ok, i don't care that much about online banking. I can use traditional banking just fine. I care way more about my $500k in Bitcoin.

[Anonymous No.29266451]

>>29251040
>this is like when crypto faggots come into /pmg/ talking about asteroid mining but more realistic.

Except quantum computers are a more distant concept than asteroid mining (we've already had a Japanese probe sample and shoot back to earth an asteroid sample).

Meanwhile, no one in the world even knows how to begin to build a quantum computer, and the only thing happening in the field is thousands of worthless papers fellating themselves about the spectacular POTENTIAL of quantum computing. It's been like this for 15 years now. Not a step closer.

[Anonymous No.29266648]

>>29246607
they will just switch off Sha-256 with consensus. will be great

[Anonymous No.29266657]

>>29248811
If those things run on legacy systems he's not wrong. Legacy systems aren't even connected to the internet so how are quantum computers an attack vector?

[Anonymous No.29266825]

bitcoin is funny. signature aggregation is coming with taproot. this makes it from hard to impossible to attack with a q computer using new smart types of contracts and the new signature scheme.

also segwit positions bitcoin uniquely it allows for separation of the financial part of the transactions from the signatures (witness) and this makes using way way bigger keys possible without increasing the burden for nodes that only want the ledger synced and accept the transactions in the longest chain valid (like spv nodes) because the nakamoto consensus has a robust and tried incentive structure.

we could double encryption key size way faster than q computers could hope to double qbits for a while.
also post quantum cryptography is coming along the main approach is removing the solution filtering ability thus nulling the advantage of q computers. some traditional cyphers can be trivially adopted in this way practically all symmetric cyphers and hashes.

[Anonymous No.29266856]

>>29266451
Then what is going on here? In your opinion. I honestly want to know.

[Anonymous No.29267030]

>>29246892
This
Encryption - Decryption is a never ending arms race
Right now Encryption is in the lead, but it absolutely won’t stay that way.

[Anonymous No.29267410]

>>29254999
They need to void all quantum vulnerable legacy addresses or this will be the end for Bitcoin. I mean the network will probably survive but everyone storing wealth in it will be obliterated.

[Anonymous No.29267439]

>>29246607

Can't crack bsv. No segwit.

[Anonymous No.29267771]

>>29267439
congrats for the lowest iq post in this thread!

[Anonymous No.29268070]

Don't need q computer. Watch rolling black outs become all the rage. Wholesale grid failures as a means by which Whales will bloat

[Anonymous No.29268269]

Parsiq fixes this

[Anonymous No.29269199]

>>29267771

Or maybe you should do some research on the topic. Truth is singular but go ahead and cope so more.

[Anonymous No.29269447]

>>29246776
Bruh do you know what quantum computers even are? They literally tap into parallel universes to unlock potentially infinite processing power. I'm not joking that's literally how they work.

[Anonymous No.29269572]

>>29269199

>*Some more

https://news.bitcoin.com/segregated-witness-removes-one-of-bitcoins-data-integrity-checks/

The information that can be found on the security flaws of segwit are few and far between but that does not imply they do not exist.

Corecoin is far less secure than bsv or monero. If this was public knowledge among the masses of dipshits corecoin's price discovery goes to zero.

[Anonymous No.29269879]

>>29269199
>>29269572
you are an actual imbecile amazing

[Anonymous No.29270419]

>>29269879

Are you a bot or is that your faggot attempt at a rebuttal?

[Anonymous No.29270434]

>>29267410
that attempt would 100% lead to a new bitcoin civil ear and chain split. there will never be a consensus on this.

[Anonymous No.29270515]

>>29270419
i was merely commenting on your complete inability to grasp the subject.

[Anonymous No.29270587]

>>29246607
yeah, and every bitch I know could be on the way over to suck my cock right now. technically.

[Anonymous No.29270905]

There's a very simple solation to stopping this which is why blockchain developers aren't scared of Quantum computers.

You need to extend the seeds to such ridiculous lengths that it will take an extremely large amount of power to crack a single address with the idea being you can price people out by making it take up so much power that cracking isn't worth it financially.

[Anonymous No.29271097]

>>29246607
While the article is misleading in its language, the more common quantum gets the easier all coin will be able to be mined.

[Anonymous No.29271317]

>>29271097
QC has zero to do with mining, try again.

[Anonymous No.29271769]

>>29251259
he seems ok but

>bad actor

[Anonymous No.29271852]

>>29246607
If Bitcoin can be cracked, then https can be cracked and that's a much bigger issue.

[Anonymous No.29272121]

>>29270515

[Anonymous No.29272181]

is this image correct?

[Anonymous No.29272479]

>>29272181
You can do some approximations yourself. Pretend as if some entity could do 1 quadrillion hashes per second (10^15) to check private keys, this would take approximately:

>>> 2**256/10**15
1.157920892373162e+62 seconds which is
1.340186218024493e+57 days which is
3.671743063080803e+54 years

KEK.

Think 1 quadrillion hashes per second is too little? Bump it up by a factors of 10 and see how much time you save (none)

[Anonymous No.29272833]

>>29272181

Segregated witness

[Anonymous No.29273068]

>>29272181
For a classical computer, yes. Although that is likely about to change with this >>29263240

[Anonymous No.29273172]

>Bitcoin
Garbage coin, don't care.

[Anonymous No.29273250]

>>29246607
if they could "crack Bitcoin" I wonder what else they could crack? ruh roh

[Anonymous No.29273428]

>>29246607
quantum mining shitcoin would actually be pretty funny and somewhat badass

[Anonymous No.29273614]

>>29273068
It literally does not matter whether its classical or quantum the quantum computing fud is a total meme, nigga we can't even do basic arithmetic on a quantum computer and you think we can crack bitcorn private keys? get real

[Anonymous No.29274985]

>>29273614
>Implying the device I posted relies on the stability of a quantum state

[Anonymous No.29275251]

>>29266856

Literally a test of a very crude concept.

[Anonymous No.29275328]

>>29263205
Idk some chink will use some home made quantum comp to mine some shitcoin guarantees.