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[Anonymous No.29002542]

> getting married without a prenup
is there anything more cucked than this?

[Anonymous No.29002585]

Do prenups even work

[Anonymous No.29002620]

>>29002542
I did it just to have no illusions about my situation

Also, because Jesus Christ is my Lord and my father circumcised me

[Anonymous No.29002649]

>>29002585
Depends how litigious your spouse is. If it goes to court then it's probably not going to do much.

[Anonymous No.29002684]

>>29002585
In the U.S. I heard prenups get thrown out the window unless your networth is at least over a million, and even then you are risking the bitch metooing you and saying you hit her or something.

[Anonymous No.29002691]

>>29002542
>getting married at all

Is there anything more than cucked than this?

[Anonymous No.29002748]

>>29002542

Sounds legit.

Any lawfags here?

[Anonymous No.29002749]

Just put all your money in crypto and say you lost it forever :v)

[Anonymous No.29002770]

>>29002585
They more or less work 100% of the time in my country (northern Europe). Don't know about other countries/ the US.

[Anonymous No.29002785]

>>29002542
yeah. getting married.

[Anonymous No.29002801]

>>29002691
fixed

[Anonymous No.29002820]

>>29002585
It's like using a phonebook as a bulletproof vest. It'll work fine until you actually get shot at

[Anonymous No.29002927]

>>29002749
This.
I'd cancel my insurance and burn down every last asset I had before some cunt would get my shit.

[Anonymous No.29003015]

>>29002770
But men aren’t allowed to own property, drive or leave the country without a female custodian, so pre-nup is irrelevant, no?

>>29002820
>It'll work fine until you actually get shot at
Ha!

[Anonymous No.29003238]

>>29002691
T h i s

[Anonymous No.29003326]

>>29002691
This. You are literally a cuck to the government.

[Anonymous No.29003409]

>>29003326
The original point of marriage is based. Settling down with a white woman and having ten kids. I agree now though all women are turbo whores who will take all of your shit and ruin your life.

[Anonymous No.29003494]

>>29002542
>wife leaves you
>lawyer throws the prenup out the window
>get charged with rape for forcing it on her

[Anonymous No.29003650]

>>29002585
Yea? They are legally binding documents signed by a lawyer/notary as a witness and there is no possibility of getting out of it. It’s like asking if contracts are binding kek

[Anonymous No.29003704]

>>29002585
A lot of people use pretty slapdash prenups that get tossed out. If you have it written up by a real jewish lawyer and signed in the presence of an equally jewish judge it's got a pretty good chance of actually protecting your money.

[Anonymous No.29003745]

>>29003494
>lawyer throws the prenup out the window

It’s a legally binding contract you dumb faggot. The lawyer would loose his license and get kicked off the chamber faster than he can say divorce if he ignored a prenup or made it so it wouldn’t stand in court.

[Anonymous No.29003826]

>>29002542
>is there anything more cucked than this?
Wage slaving for 50yrs.

[Anonymous No.29004067]

>>29002749

Doesn't stop alimony and the judge can declare your behavior reckless and fuck you harder. It's called marital waste.

What you can do is enter the marriage with a massive trading card collection. Take out $100/week in "petty cash" for things like fast food and coffee. Use that cash to acquire more cards of the appropriate era to your collection. The collection was a premarital asset.

Now here's the most important part. You need to keep adding to the collection with transactions drafted off of your checking account. Meticulous reciepts and spreadsheets for the exact cards purchased. This is the part you will lose half of and if you are forthright about it there is a lower likelihood that your original collection is investigated. Sealed product works best for this. "I love my old cards, but I don't have time to categorize and sort them anymore".

If this sounds like a terrible shitty process that's because it is. There have been tens of millions of divorces and the meta has been refined to an absurd degree.

[Anonymous No.29004168]

>>29002542
>getting married at all in the modern western world as a man

Can you get any more cucked than this?

Imagine thinking a prenup does absolutely anything at all when you're facing the Honorable Dykeface in family court.

[Anonymous No.29004221]

>>29003745
He meant to write judge

>>29004067
>Doesn't stop alimony
+1

[Anonymous No.29004227]

>>29004067

I use trading cards because they are kind of like a needle in a haystack. If you have tens of thousands of cards there's no way to know up from down.

If you co-mingle the cards that can fuck you. It's important that they stay of completely different eras or products (singles vs sealed)

[Anonymous No.29004493]

>>29004067
>Doesn't stop alimony and the judge can declare your behavior reckless and fuck you harder.

He can’t throw a prenup away you dumb nigger. It’s a legally binding document signed in front of witnesses and notarized by lawyer/notary. If the judge would throw away a legally binding prenup signed by a lawyer he would instantly lose his job. There were a shit ton of roasties crying their eyes out when they found out they wouldn’t get shit from the married after they told the lawyers they had signed a prenup where I interned at.

>t. Intern at law firm

[Anonymous No.29004645]

>>29004067
The ultimate problem is that society will not punish women for their bad decisions and instead will stop at nothing to bail them out, even if that means harming men and surprisingly even child too.
This attitude filters down into culture creating sluts and whores, politics creating feminism and the legal system creating the family court that not even Jeff Bezos was immune to.
This is simping at a societal level, this is clown world, but the clown is a tranny.

[Anonymous No.29004705]

>>29004493

Happens all the fucking time dude..

Guess what? Judges are corrupt, but their rulings are binding. You are on a finance message board, you should know damn well that there is a gap between what should happen and what can or does happen.

[Anonymous No.29004828]

>>29002542
>is there anything more cucked than this?
Having a daughter

[Anonymous No.29004922]

>>29004493

And yes, look up marital waste. If you come in with $250k in treasury notes and then go blow $250,000 at the casino or on shitcoins the judge is well within his right to say that you damaged the marital estate and loot the assets protected by the prenup.

That would actually be a legitimate use of this power. You can't expect to keep all of "yours" after blowing all of "ours".

[Anonymous No.29004930]

>>29004705
>>29004493

Nothing corrupt about it. Judges throw out non compete clauses, work-for-hire documents, signing bonus agreements, and user agreements all of the time. They especially love throwing out prenups.
>A judge will lose his job
Many judges are elected, and often resign before they can be sacked, if they are ever brought to that point, which is rare.

[Anonymous No.29005009]

>>29003704
lmao

lmao

[Anonymous No.29005038]

>>29002585
So many good first posts today, anons are fucking killing it; godspeed.
Reddit niggers can huff my egg-farts.

[Anonymous No.29005106]

>>29004705
>Happens all the fucking time dude

No it doesn’t faggot. All these “blackpilled” and “mgtow” meme pictures you see constantly posted on /pol/ and /r9k/ don’t reflect what happens in real life faggot. I interned myself at a pretty big law firm in my country and we constantly had roasties coming in and begging our partners and senior lawyers to do something about the prenups and they would cry their eyes out and beg like children when our lawyers told them that the prenup is binding and they can’t do anything about it in court. Also, the ruling of one single judge is meaningless unless you go through all the instances and it gets appealed by higher courts. Even if the judge is the father of the roastie he can’t do shit about a legally binding prenup signed in front of witnesses and notarized by a lawyer.

[Anonymous No.29005277]

>>29005106
Wrong. If the prenup is argued to be unconscionable, it can and will be thrown out. I think your firm just sucks. I'm a cyber security lawyer, and we unironically argue away Over 9000 user agreements and work for hire agreements as unconscionable a day.

[Anonymous No.29005299]

>>29004067
>Doesn't stop alimony and the judge can declare your behavior reckless and fuck you harder. It's called marital waste.
I'd go to prison before I would pay a bitch alimony. Absolutely fuck that shit. Imagine willingly giving your whore ex money every month.

[Anonymous No.29005319]

Think about it logically frens. You're literally gifting a w*man a call option on 50% of your (future) net worth with a $0 strike price and no expiration date.
The only way to exercise the call option is to divorce you. In other words, not getting a prenup is not only financial suicide, it actually encourages women to leave you.

How fucking cucked and retarded do you have to be to do this?

[Anonymous No.29005394]

>>29002585
If you own any assets on paper youre just begging to lose
t. 6m net worth managed via a trust, come at me

[Anonymous No.29005414]

>>29005277
>user agreements

Those can argued to be invalid because no one signs in them in front of witnesses and notarized by a lawyer you dumb faggot

[Anonymous No.29005562]

>>29002542
Don’t trip just do it unless you don’t know how to manage a relationship then be very careful. I got married a year ago baby just arrived my wifey has no idea about my 50k link, 2M crypto. She knows I have some coins but nothing specific. So that’s the way to do it in a non kyc wallet. Good luck!

[Anonymous No.29005669]

>>29002542
Yeah. Having a daughter

[Anonymous No.29005691]

>>29005414
>Those can argued to be invalid because no one signs in them in front of witnesses and notarized by a lawyer you dumb faggot
Lmao no wonder your law firm doesn't try to take up these cases - they'd lose. You are far better off arguing them as unconscionable. You wouldn't find me being caught dead arguing your route. Everyone wants to get married, and everyone wants (keyword: needs) a job, and they will sign whatever to get them. Arguing for the unconscionable is Recruit Difficulty argumentation.

Just trying to help an intern out.

[Anonymous No.29005755]

>>29005562
I wish you (and your relationship) all the best, but look at divorce statistics.. Everyone thinks they will stay together forever.. at first.. It's impossible to predict how you will feel about your relationship in 20 years. And I can assure you that your (ex) wife won't say no to a few million dollars even if she's a very sweet woman.
Be very careful fren.

[Anonymous No.29005948]

>>29005106

You would think someone going into law would have already been black pilled to the absolute brutality of the court.

Is your firm even a divorce firm? Most big firms aren't. I wouldn't be at all surprised if your colleagues just wanted the bitches out of their lobby and gave the firmest answer possible. That's what I would do if I wasn't interested in the case and wanted them to bugger off.

There are firms that specialize in this service. Their very existence proves that the phenomenon exist.

Hidden assets are a huge one. You miss one thing or fail to properly appraise any asset, or neglect to mention to your attorney something and they will REAM you.

[Anonymous No.29005949]

>>29005755
Divorce statistics in the US are laughably over-inflated. The Pareto Principle applies, like to everything else, to divorces: 80% of the divorces are by 20% of the people. If you unironically avoid single moms and divorcees, your chance of divorce lowers by orders of magnitude.

[Anonymous No.29006045]

>>29005691
>comparing a prenup made by a competent lawyers and signed in front of witnesses to some user agreements and TOS copy-paste templates that mongolian porn sites use

Holy kek stop larping as lawyer you dumb faggot. How much did you parents pay to have you pass high school?? Listen up faggot, any competent fucking first year lawyer can setup a prenup that can't be argued for being unconscionable or one that is too one-sided. No sane judge will throw out a bullet-proof prenup made and signed by a competent lawyer. Maybe if the prenup was written by a complete retard.

[Anonymous No.29006084]

>>29005299

You and me both brother.

[Anonymous No.29006191]

I got married with like $50 in the bank kek

[Anonymous No.29006314]

>>29005949
I haven't looked into the American statistics but I'm almost 100% sure 20% don't account for 80%. Got a source? I just know that the numbers are sky high in my country. And I know you guys have a lot more cucked divorce laws than we do.

All I'm saying is be careful. It's very hard/ impossible to predict whether or not you wife will divorce you when you're 50 or 60 yo.

[Anonymous No.29006415]

>>29006191
> Becomes a millionaire over the next 20 years
> loses half to divorce call option
> ???
> rekt

[Anonymous No.29006425]

>>29005948
>You would think someone going into law would have already been black pilled to the absolute brutality of the court.

Only prenups that get thrown away are prenups written by one of the spouses that have 0 experience in law or some free template prenups downloaded from the internet and not signed in front of witnesses or approved by a lawyer. Any competent lawyer can write a prenup that will hold in court.

[Anonymous No.29006653]

>>29006314
It is the Pareto Principle - It is practically natural law.
>>29006045
For the record, my boomer parents were too busy arguing with each other to give a shit about my high school or college performance. Anyways, voluntary, seemingly bulletproof agreements are thrown out all of the time for no reason other than "muh feels" on the part of the judge. You have to remember that your average magistrate in the US is a boomer hag or a boomer Bob.

[Anonymous No.29006870]

>>29006653
? Far from all distributions are follow the pareo principe. Not even close.

[Anonymous No.29006924]

>>29006653
? Far from all distributions follow the pareto principe. Not even close.

[Anonymous No.29007150]

>>29006653
>Anyways, voluntary, seemingly bulletproof agreements are thrown out all of the time for no reason other than "muh feels" on the part of the judge

Holy kek. Again faggot, no sane judge will throw out a prenup drafted by a competed lawyer and signed in front of witnesses. Not even if the judge is a jewish lesbian femcel that hates all males and wants to hurt you. And even IF, and thats a big IF the judge throws it out, you can still appeal the rulling and take it highest instances to the federal court and if necessary to the supreme court.

All these stories you see posted by incels about "muh prenups dont work hurr durr" are guaranteed instances where the prenup was drafted by some complete retard with 0 legal knowledge or some free prenup templated from legalzoom signed with no witnesses.

[Anonymous No.29007649]

>>29005319
women are the biggest rugpull

[Anonymous No.29007703]

>>29007150
Anon this is their cope for being single, they have no real experience, you won’t get through to them. A correctly formed trust and a prenup is unbreakable, most people are simps though so they capitulate to women in divorce after years of being broken down

[Anonymous No.29007821]

>>29002542
Having a daughter is more cucked.

[Anonymous No.29007945]

>>29004828
Think about it rationally.

[Anonymous No.29008039]

>>29002542
Being an american maybe. Every last tax dollar goes to niggers, single moms, and jews. Your entire life you get shit on and called a monster for nothing in return.

[Anonymous No.29008179]

>>29003745
There was a court case where a judge threw a prenup out because he said the man "coerced" the woman into signing because he wouldnt get married to her unless she did. This case now forms a legal precedent that lawyers can reference to get any prenup thrown out. Some judges go for it some dont. They are far from reliable at this point.

[Anonymous No.29008473]

>>29008179
If domestic violence is involved it can be a game changer, however be reminded you speak of the <1% exceptions, not the rule. For the vast majority as mentioned by others if they have assets away in a trust and a prenup they’re fine, the trust is more important then the prenup btw

[Anonymous No.29008707]

>>29002542
hey neet, prenumps aren't bulletproof, retard. they literally expire

[Anonymous No.29008719]

>>29008179
>There was a court case where a judge threw a prenup out because he said the man "coerced" the woman into signing because he wouldnt get married to her unless she did.


And thats why you need a lawyer/notary and witnesses present to co-sign the prenup. The lawyer that drafted the prenup will ask the roastie under oath if she is signing this prenup in good faith and isn't forced or coerced to sign it and if she says yes and signs it its legally binding and the laywer that was present will just testify that the roastie wasn't coerced to sign it and the judge can't do shit.

Now post the case you are referring to and let us see who drafted the prenup and if it was signed in front of a lawyer with witnesses.

[Anonymous No.29008932]

>>29008719
I dunno the case I just heard about it from mgtow videos.

Even if what you say is true, it doesn't keep the goalposts from moving. Cunts can vote and they are constantly changing the law. Sooner or later they will change it so prenups do nothing, and they can get alimony from whoever they want even if they never married that person. This is clownworld and its only going to get exponentially more honked as time passes.

[Anonymous No.29008953]

>>29002620
Lol kike dick

[Anonymous No.29009244]

>>29008932
>Sooner or later they will change it so prenups do nothing, and they can get alimony from whoever they want even if they never married that person. This is clownworld and its only going to get exponentially more honked as time passes.


Yea and globohomo kikes will inject you with microbots and track you everyday with the help of bill gates and jeff bezos. And klaus schwab will seize all your assets and you will have nothing and will be happy as a castrated white tranny.

The world isn't mgtow videos, /pol/, /r9k/, incel forums and fucking mgtow subreddits you dumb faggot. Maybe leave your basement for once to see how the real world is.

[Anonymous No.29009271]

>>29002542
> getting married without a prenup
is there anything more cucked than this?
simping for an ethot

[Anonymous No.29009337]

lol at all you faggots arguing back and forth about prenups. Just don't get married in the first place.
Even if your goal is a lifelong monogamous relationship and to raise children a stable environment, a contract between you, your partner and the (((government))) is not required. In fact relationships are healthier when the man has the option to be naturally assertive due to not walking on eggs shells, due to not having a loaded gun in the bedside table, ready to destroy all the hard wagecucking he's ever done in an instant, just to let some roastie live as a NEET as raise single mother children as the criminals of the future.
There are 0 advantages for getting married as a man, the tax benefits are far out shadowed by the existential risks, it's just a roastie insurance policy and bail out protection program. Why is there's no such thing as a marriage insurance for men? Why is that if it's so common to get successful marriages according to the beta cucks in this thread that are already married and are trying to justify their decision.

[Anonymous No.29009382]

>>29002542
not any riskier than investing in crypto

[Anonymous No.29009463]

>>29002585
>your honor my client was under duress when she signed it

[Anonymous No.29009550]

>>29009244
Getting married is a bad idea is what im trying to say. You are signing a contract that can change after you sign it because women can vote. Why would you do this?

[Anonymous No.29009552]

>>29002542
>structuring your assets in such a way that your future ex wife has any chance of accessing them, prenup or not
ngmi
asset holding corporations held by overseas irrevocable trusts are your best friend