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28868039 No.28868039 [Reply] [Original]

Been interested in coding but is the industry over saturated or still a smart choice? I know 0 Code skills as of now too, so I assume it will take some time to become proficient..was thinking of perhaps trying information security/cypersecurity industry as a plan B

>> No.28868241

>>28868039
Cybersecurity will only become more and more important as personal devices become more and more personal. If you want to enter easily, get into the web dev stuff. Jamstack, GraphQL, React, etc. are all very employable buzzwords and easy to demonstrate. For the future, I would study compiler design, embedded programming, and high performance code. This will make you a good security engineer.

>> No.28868320

>>28868039
Do the jews and commieboos just hate Germany and the Holy Roman Empire because the aesthetics were just so fucking amazing?

>> No.28868532

If you're high IQ, then comp sci has a lot of opportunities for you. It's kind of saturated with midwits.

>> No.28868642

it's literally the best time in history to get comp sci, what the fuck else are you going to do. the future has jobs for comp sci people and entertainers / yoga instructors. that's bout it

>> No.28868778

I’m doing a major in applied mathematics and informatics. It’s the most based major possible.

>> No.28868813

>>28868642
Thanks for the replies guys, do I need to brush up on my maths to start coding? Would you recommend studying at uni?

>> No.28868837

>>28868039
You’ll be competing with rajesh, ivan and hernandez

>> No.28868912

>>28868039
Infosec positions cant be filled. High schools and community colleges aren’t funneling through enough people in their IT programs to fill them. And DoD and government contractors won’t hire h1bs to fill security positions so your job won’t be outsourced to pajeets. Get security+ and a 2 year degreee or security+ and CCNA and apply for firewall monkey jobs entry level at a SOC or something. Easy job, way over paid, and secure.

>> No.28868943

>>28868039
>information security/cypersecurity industry as a plan B
I'm a pentester and I make $175K. All my friends who are coders make like $50K less than me.

>> No.28868962

>>28868039
I would strongly make this recommendation.
Pursue a programming career for a few years at least, to learn how the business works and how to contribute in a professional development environment.
But save and invest your money, and work on business ideas in your spare time.
The only way you can make a lot of cash as a programmer is to be your own boss and control your own destiny.
The programming job you get is a launchpad to bigger and better things, not your end goal.

>> No.28869063

>>28868039
only if you're not one of those retards who believes compsci will be the only job in the world in 10 years

be reasonable about your expectations and there's a wealth of opportunity there

>> No.28869088

>>28868532
This is true but then why not go into finance, medicine or law? I do interviews at my tech company and we get super smart people who will make good money in tech but could have made insane money in finance. A fund manager will make ten times what a great software dev will.

>> No.28869100

>>28868943
Takes a lot of studying and staying on top of most recent technicals to be a good pentester though. Very technical, but it’s an option. The administrative/compliance side of thing pays well also, not as much

>> No.28869121

>>28868943
Do u work at pen island?

>> No.28869138

>>28868943
Did you get experience in software before making the jump to pentesting? Playing around with the OverTheWire games and other puzzles, not sure how to translate this into work.

>> No.28869313

>>28868778
uh, right

>> No.28869406

>>28869088
not everything is about the money you receding hairline loser

>> No.28869622

>>28868813
You need to have a pretty intimate understanding of algorithms, optimisation and complexity theory as a bare minimum to be a competent dev. If you're moving into more advanced areas like robotics with mapping, filtering or quantum computing, etc then you need to be very comfortable with "scary" looking maths.
I've always been pretty sharp with maths, but this advanced stuff was not easy at all. The harsh truth is unless you're a 1 in 10000 academic, then you need to put in hours upon of hours of practice, research and questioning everything to get to the point it comes naturally. If you put in the time you'll blow any "gifted" person out the water. I outperformed most of peers at uni despite being mediocre at comp sci, as i saw just how fucking lazy these other kids were. Truth is if you're lazy you're already halfway to failing.

>> No.28869734

>>28868813
Do comp sci but dont do it college it will slow you down. Download the learning C book from piratebay it has the best foundation for comp sci. After you work through that and have a solid grasp on all the concepts you can pretty much get into whatever you want.

>> No.28870230

>>28868642
>it's literally the best time in history to get comp sci
*as an indian

>> No.28870531

>>28868039
Specializing is a good idea. I'm a bionformatician and make way more than my standard CS colleagues. Albeit I do have two more years of education than them.

>> No.28871014

>>28870531
Did you get a Master's degree? A lot of jobs in bioinformatics require PhDs from what I've seen

>> No.28871131

>>28869138
No but it wouldn't hurt. I majored in fucking econ and got lucky with my first job, earned a bunch of certs, learned to code, and worked my way up.
>>28869100
It's not that bad. Most people suck ass at pentesting. If you're good it only takes 5 years of hard work and then you just keep yourself up to date.

>> No.28871463

>>28869138
Oh, and get your OSCP. Worth every penny. From there, get a job and a mentor. The biggest thing you need to learn is how to self direct. Pentesting is all about taking a fire hose of information, cutting out the bullshit and sticking with it until you've exhausted all your options. CTFs don't give you that experience as much as an OSCP or actually pentesting.

>> No.28871818

>>28868241
>Cybersecurity
>Study frontend web dev
>Study embedded
>Study compilers
This is worse advice than what /g/ gives. These are three totally different disciplines. If you want to get into security, pick a niche.

>> No.28872073

>>28869100
Another thought for you as well. Admin and compliance is really fucking hard. It's more difficult than the technical side of things if you want to be effective. Organizations suck. They're run by a bunch of dumb boomers that only think about sportsball. I've been pentesting companies for years and 80% of them never get better because they have no idea how to make effective change management and continuous improvement programs much less practice basic governance. If you figure out how to solve the higher level issues for a company, you'll be retard rich. Otherwise you'll just be a stressed out mid-level goon for some fortune 500 mess of a company.

>> No.28872397

>>28868039
yes, you'd have to be retarded not too, however go into more emergent fields such as machine learning/computational neuroscience/quantum computing
t. comfy wagie making ~100k to write javascript in my underwear from home

>> No.28872555

>>28868241
based, engineers that can work close to bare metal are increasing in rarity

>> No.28872690

>>28872555
Bare metal?

>> No.28872738

>>28868962
I don't even want to get a programming job. I want to start a business, but I want other people to manage it and only get involved when/if I want to. Any thoughts? If something like this won't work out it doesn't matter because I've made it with crypto already

>> No.28872844

>>28872555
I don't think graphQL or React are very close to the metal

>> No.28872847

>>28868039
Obviously yes, but specialize in something rather than becoming yet another Java(Script) or .NET developer. That + learn an actual skill that is useful in the real world just in case SHTF

>> No.28873032

>>28869088
much easier to release your own product and break free of being a bitch to your boss, if youre smart you understand all the new technologies, much more opportunity to get rich

>> No.28873850

>>28872690
Hardware programming in C/C++

>> No.28874209

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