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[Anonymous No.28181112]

Redpill me on going to college (to study computer science).

I know people here have a general aversion to university, and that’s exactly why I’m posing this question. EVERYONE tells me college is essential, and I just want to hear some counter-arguments to clear my mind from all this brainwashing.

Also, have I been memed into believing <uni prestige> is at all important? It feels like my career is over before it even started just because I didn’t get into Oxford or Cambridge.

[Anonymous No.28181346]

>>28181112
Bowns syndrome

[Anonymous No.28181374]

Are you Jewish?
If yes, go ahead. But you probably wouldn't be asking this question if you were.

If not, you are putting yourself into lifelong debt for a qualification that hasn't meant anything for anyone except Jews in decades.

[Anonymous No.28181459]

>>28181112
Long substance, short credentials.

[Anonymous No.28181464]

A degree is just proof for HR that you’re not a complete fucking retard. Now with how competitive shit is where you go and your GPA matters a lot too. Tbh as someone who is finishing his last year I would only go if
>it’s a top 50 school in your cunt
>you’re not taking out a loan
>you’re actually going to put in the work to graduate with honors
>you’re going to simultaneously do internships
If not you’re better off just working a McJob while teaching yourself CS until you get a break.

[Anonymous No.28181468]

>>28181112
>those shoulders
that's a man

[Anonymous No.28181503]

>>28181112
if you get good with a degree all jobs will be available to you
if you get good without a degree you'll find jobs regardless, but not all of them will be available.
if you don't get good but have a degree you'll find jobs but others will have to carry your ass

[Anonymous No.28181557]

>>28181112
Your future employer will only ask to see your github. Work on your own project you like, make commits everyday, make ends meet by being a part time wage cuck until you get the job you want. College is unnecessary for CS

[Anonymous No.28181605]

>>28181503
I had a good degree and all the jobs in the world, doesnt give me my motivation to work for pajeeta again though. Enjoy STEM.

[Anonymous No.28181608]

>>28181112
Unless it's free it's not worth it, taking on the debt in an oversaturated employment market isn't ideal

[Anonymous No.28181643]

>>28181112
Idk.
My parents paid for my entire degree. I’m finish up my degree I accountancy at one of the top public business schools in the country. I have an ex lent job already and I’m not even graduated yet. I’m going to a different top public business school in a couple years to get my MBA so I can work in investment banking. All thanks to a bad mushroom trip I had when I was 21 that made me feel guilty for not going to college

[Anonymous No.28181671]

>>28181112
take a year off and follow your passion
if you don't see your self making a living off of it go uni

[Anonymous No.28181788]

>>28181112
waste of time , especially studying CS.

[Anonymous No.28181819]

>>28181112
For something as in demand as computer science you can certainly choose not to go to college and learn things yourself and just get to that same level. If you have a portfolio of good stuff people will hire you.

University prestige helps more in some areas than in others. I.e. with areas like politics it matters more than in areas that are more vocational like computer science. In any case (assuming you're from the UK) if you have a 2.1 the most important thing for your prospects is how much experience you have through interships/work experience/placements. If you don't get a 2.1 you may as well have just not gone to university at all, though to not get one you really have to be retarded and mismanaging your time spectacularly at the same time.

[Anonymous No.28181830]

>>28181112
It's necessary to get a good job, but while you're there it will feel like a massive waste of time and money (which it is)

[Anonymous No.28181855]

>>28181112
Depends what you want to gain from it. Comp sci in college does a very good job at preparing you for being a corporate man. You get the connections for it, the skills and the attitude. If you want to do something on your own a cs degree will also give a very solid understanding of the basics of the boring, but necessary stuff. You could probably follow one of those open source programs that are designed to be an equivalent of a degree programme for the same effect. My point is to learn the important and boring basics I recommend to have some kind of a curated structure be it college or some open source study program

[Anonymous No.28181879]

lol, you can’t understand what is scam and what is pearl
why are u here lil boi? wanna eat this rubbish? cmon - go for it
I will be smarter and wait for playcent nft release, my purse will be safe

[Anonymous No.28181900]

Stop being a faggot and go get a bachelor's.

[Anonymous No.28182074]

Computer science leads you to a job that consists of nothing but sitting in front of a screen all day trying to fix a single bug, then once you fixed it 3 new ones pop up.

Enjoy!

[Anonymous No.28182089]

>>28181112
okay if youre going to study anything keep find out these things first
>who are your lecturers & what are they currently doing in that field
>what modules? dig and dig into this until you can do background on your modules before you start
the biggest fuck up people make is 'just going to uni' instead of using being at uni as a fucking resource
spec the shit out of your modules, min max to fuck some specialist knowledge and you will get a job easy
specialism is da one, most people just bumble through, get good grades, dont apply themselves and dont understand why they have a pointless piece of paper (clue: its a pointless as you make it, do research on goodshit = get goodshit)
>what connections does that university have to other organizations? which of these do you want to work for? how could you get a job there without studying?
uni prestige only matters if uni = prestigious, ie if youre not in one of the best, you lose out on that bonus (which is basically heritage, so you missed out from the get go)
a 2;1 = good, anything else is irrelevant (1st = who cares, 2;1 is good enough and lower than 2;1 = no interview)

[Anonymous No.28182107]

>>28181112
I went to college and got a cs degree. I enjoyed it 100%. Made tons of friends amd girlfriends. Networked with people. Enjoyed my classes (mainly enjoyed math and cs classes, but even found something to take away from the general ed classes like brit lit).

You need to be absolutely sure you like programming though. I see a lot of people think they like cs and computers but end up not liking it and they become miserable. Don't fool yourself, yes sometimes it's boring and tedious but be honest with yourself about liking it or not.

[Anonymous No.28182321]

>>28182107
Also I went to a decent state school. With a good cs/math department no public shit. I got a job 70k starting on the east coast right away np so did all my friends, one kid I knew with good programming skills but high charisma started a position at Amazon at 126k right out. The more effort you put in, the more you get out with cs especially. College was a blast. I would do it again in a heartbeat, I miss some of thos girls...

[Anonymous No.28182327]

OP I’m in the same boat, except I’m already there. I did well for my A levels but took my exams with two different boards, so my chances of studying anywhere at home/in the anglosphere are gone. I’m doing applied math and informatics arguably in the (second) best Russian university. I hate programming and all I like I maths.

[Anonymous No.28182424]

>>28182107
>>28182321
The people here that are salty and bitter cant afford college, or can't into programming or can't talk to girls. College is absolutely worth it for a stem degree especially cs

[Anonymous No.28182459]

>>28181112
Where you go to school doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.28182503]

>>28181112
College is expensive and not a guarantee of success, but is a prerequisite for some shit and helpful for many other things. College opens doors (or in some cases, stops it from being closed on you) - but you getting job at the end of it really depends on you applying for like internships and summer programs and shit like that, and various other extras and you being employable to begin with. If you're an autist who struggles to do the extra networking shit, a fuck up who can't really manage more than getting passable grade, you won't just be handed a job at the end of it and you might not be better off at the end of it. For the prestige thing, it's not a bad thing to have, but you won't be fucked if you don't get in at top of the top. Unless you are genuinely going to some trashy nonsense meme place.

[Anonymous No.28182520]

>>28181879
hahahahahahahaha fuck you

[Anonymous No.28182535]

I studied CS and I landed a 6 figure job straight out of uni. The job is boring but easy I just sit on my ass all day and maybe solve 2 jira tickets and that's it.

Also I'm from a commie country where university is free so it was a no brainer decision for me.

[Anonymous No.28182604]

>>28181112
Learned everything technical I needed before College.

Parents coerced me into College to "Get a Degree". It sucks, I hate it, I want to start a business.

[Anonymous No.28182655]

>>28182327
msu cmc is cool
hse is also cool
mipt is also cool
idk why u so upset
u are not goaded into doing cs
you can leave the country to do math
or suck it up and code for a living

just move to europe man

[Anonymous No.28182664]

>>28182535
Lucky ass bitch.

I'm sitting here working my ass off for 80k. Since wfh tho, I just do Kira tickets early, watch charts, but I get constant barrage of teams messages that I ignore until I cant anymore

[Anonymous No.28182842]

>>28182655
I’m happy, I get free education so I can’t be mad. I’m in SPBSU and it’s not what I expected it to be. I can’t suck it up and program, I think ill just get my red diploma and go into academia in Asia. Europe isn’t for me, I’m Asian.

[Anonymous No.28182937]

>>28182535
In what post-communist country did you land a 6 figure job straight out of uni?

[Anonymous No.28183032]

>>28181112
It's retarded. if you go to any english speaking uni in most of the world, they'll use pearson/mcgrawhill books.
that means most of the interesting information is contained in the instructor's manual, which you won't have access to unless you buy them online.
That means that the quality of information reaching you will depend on your instructors, which will act as a filter. at best, they'll let a lot of info through but still not all.
don't even get me started on how obsolete a lot of com-sci languages taught in uni are.
whereas if you study yourself, at home, you can learn the best language, from the best resources (e.g. MIT opencourseware), and get instructions from people for free via discord channels.

source: friend is a software dev with no high school or uni edu and making 6 figures. i went to uni and it was shit.

take the red pill. don't go to uni

[Anonymous No.28183034]

>>28181112
Anything you can learn in uni you can learn online for free.

[Anonymous No.28183055]

>>28181112
i am making 350k liquid 3 years work experience after bachelors college
I did comp sci
no other industry other than onlyfans pays this much for so little work
if you don't go to college you are NGMI

[Anonymous No.28183085]

>>28182842
Asia is also a-okay imo, just not the first choice for most of my friends who I talked to (then again only one of them looks asian-esque and his job is country specific)

if you don't like coding - don't, it's a waste of time and happiness
academia is it's own bag of surprises from what i understand, i.e. being on good terms with your nauchnik and all
but still, prospects look promising
good luck fren komrade :)
hope you achieve everything you strive for

[Anonymous No.28183202]

>>28181112
Who dis chick?

[Anonymous No.28183255]

Just do it, I'm sure you won't do anything useful anyway. Unless you are a genius charismatic entrepreneur with an idea for a startup (glhf with that). Getting a CS degree is definitely worth it.

Got an insane laidback job straight after graduating, couldn't be more happier.

[Anonymous No.28183323]

>>28181112
>intellectuals belive those worthy of profits nust jump through the same hoops they did
>makes it so school is the only option for kids and young adukts to enter the market. Creating scarcity throgh regulations and policies.
>absolutly hate anyone who makes it without an education
>thinking intellectuals are anythig but delusional planners
Reject it anon, find a niche.

[Anonymous No.28183329]

>>28181112
Wow

[Anonymous No.28183389]

Find your own path to learning op, what works for you.

[Anonymous No.28183479]

>>28181112
you dont need uni or college to learn how to be a good programmer/network engineer/database engineer/etc

if you are not a brainlet you can learn it on your own and at a faster pace then in College. Plus you can focus on developing a nice product while you learn in your own time. instead of making stupid assignments for points.

the biggest regret i ever had was going to college for a bachlors in IT/Devops. I did a 3 yyear course and at the end of the course I didn't learn anything new or that I hadn't already seen or could do on my own. yo

[Anonymous No.28183580]

>>28183032
Spoonfeed me the resources please

[Anonymous No.28183782]

>>28183202
Saxon Sharbino

[Anonymous No.28184056]

>>28181788
Why's that? I'm a 30 yr old retard who works in customer service, but learning tech and blockchain now so that I can provide a better life for my family. Part of that means going to school in CS so I can scrape my way into a better job, or ideally (and eventually), learn enough to start my own company. I can pick up on the stuff through Youtube and experimentation, or talk to devs in their discords, but I know that being around professionals and having the task of learning computing fundamentals will be integral. I agree, it can be done on your own, and that hard work is done on your own, but a degree is a degree.

[Anonymous No.28184195]

>>28181112
go to uni if you're in yurop and you don't need to into lifelong debt - retards here don't realise that while you might not "need to go to college to get a job in CS", you wanna do that to build a connection and also to fuck some bitches which is what everyone here is lacking. Do NOT do it if you're in the jewish states of america and you need to take a 6 figure loan to go to uni learn about the hollow cost and about how you should bow to niggers

[Anonymous No.28184664]

>>28181112
lol @ oxbridge - there's a split in the student body across both of these unis which i have seen for years now - the insufferable silver spoons who won't look you in the eye, and the well-meaning, well-to-do 'pleasants', who are great company; regardless, if you were to stay at either past undergrad, chances are your soul will erode into nothingness
the students are very good at being told what to do and succeed in their work, but they can barely think for themselves for the most part - if you don't like being told what to do, it won't fit you at all, so if you fall into this category, consider yourself better off that you didn't get in
i think you should at least still get a bachelor's - compsci grads are looking at very good prospects in the job market right now
also prestige is a total meme - nobody cares where your degree is from

[Anonymous No.28185870]

>>28181112
Im in cs right now. It sucks desu. Classes are boring with tons of work and pretty much everyone is an idiot barely scraping by. The only smart people that you can have a tangible conversation with are giving out answers to some girl for hopefully pity sex. I have 2 years left and drink myself to death every night because I hate it. Plan to becoming a patent agent after and make like $140k a year instead of making $70k for some pajeet. School maters but I wouldnt think about it too hard, you got good projects and good personality, should overlook where you went. GL.

[Anonymous No.28186078]

if you go to college you won't learn THAT much from the books unless you're going into engineering or something. the computer science stuff you'll learn from will be what you do in your spare time (if you're actually interested in the field) when you reach some point in class that a revelation has been about how you can change the world. it happens to everyone.
That's when you'll also get the feeling someone else has done it. at that point it's just easier to join ALEPH rather than try to beat it

[Anonymous No.28186221]

>>28181112
>go to college
>cant focus on shit or pay attention ever
>get distracted during my exam and start looking at the wall imagining stuff
>end up dropping out
sad

[Anonymous No.28186255]

“The whole educational and professional training system is a very elaborate filter, which just weeds out people who are too independent, and who think for themselves, and who don't know how to be submissive, and so on -- because they're dysfunctional to the institutions.”
― Noam Chomsky

[Anonymous No.28186283]

>>28182107
>You need to be absolutely sure you like programming though. I see a lot of people think they like cs and computers but end up not liking it and they become miserable
How the f can you enjoy programming?

[Anonymous No.28187314]

>>28181112

Uni was great. Tucked around first two years just playing vidya with the boys getting jacked and chasing sloots. Studied well in 3rd year and cracked down hard in 4th year but still enjoying myself.

Made best friends for life, and we’re all pretty successful. Im a doctor now as is one of the other guys is too. Was the best times. Course that was 6 years ago; there’s wasn’t corona or the fuxking tranny/ snowflake epidemic going on or false rape stuff.

Don’t do it for a meme degree unless you’ve serious connections. But yeah, unless you’re a serious entrepreneur, your degree will help. Again no memes. Also I wouldn’t if I was American, you guys end up in fucking stupid debt.

[Anonymous No.28187545]

Want to become a doctor? sure go to university

Want to become a software dev? Heck no. Take some online courses, create simple project/app related to the field you want to work in.

I'm self taught and this is how i got hired. And now when we hire for new junior positions, the company I'm at no longer cares to look at uni degrees. We've learn't so many graduates have the technical knowledge, but can't or have very little experience to actually doing any practical coding. Typical dev roles don't even require so much garbage you learn at uni. Maybe as you become more senior when it comes to things like design patterns and such, but those if you're applying to a decent company will train you as you scale up the ladder.

So from my personal experience and also my friends, I say no to university (if planning to become a software/web developer, also i live i nthe south east uk whilst my friend lives up north so applies to both parts of the uk)

[Anonymous No.28188123]

>>28183782
Thanks jackass. I already did reverse image