BELGIAN TAX DISCUSSION THREAD

[Anonymous No.28103987]

BELGIAN TAX DISCUSSION THREAD

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[Anonymous No.28104053]

>>28103987
What did my shithole country do this time?

[Anonymous No.28104154]

>>28104053
Just had an anonymous call with the tax man, and they will do everything they can to REAM us.

[Anonymous No.28104207]

>>28103987
aren't there like 10 people in Belgium anyway?

[Anonymous No.28104223]

>>28103987
What's the best belgian bank to invest in bitcoin related funds? None of my banks allow me to do that using their platform

[Anonymous No.28104253]

>>28104207
yes and all of them are black

[Anonymous No.28104369]

>>28104253
thought so

[Anonymous No.28104436]

So in Belgium, supposedly if you hodl long enough (>1 year) you pay 0% taxes.

Anon in pic got a "ruling" from the Belgian tax authorities.
He consolidated his Link, hodled for 2 years, and got a 0% tax rate as a result.

I did the same, except I hodld for two and a half years.
I just had an anonymous call with the ruling dept., and he didn't care AT ALL about me hodling for over two years.
All he wanted to know about was the trades that preceded it.
"Oh you traded from ETH to Link back in 2017? Ah that's a taxable event, my dear anon lol."

Hodling for extended time does NOTHING.

[Anonymous No.28104736]

>>28104436
Talking to a random jew on the phone doesn't mean anything. Hire a lawyer

[Anonymous No.28105121]

>>28103987
There is no clear law basically, I asked to the tax authorities and they told me only good-father long term investments are not taxed but they were unable to tell me if holding btc for 1y is considered a wise investment or not (probably not by their boomer standards and it’s taxed at 33%), I can attach the email conversation here in 3/4 posts

[Anonymous No.28105150]

>>28104736
He's supposedly part of the committee that decides on the rulings.
He barely knew what I wrote in the email, he had complete tunnel vision on the trades that happened years ago.

He also kept trying to twist my words.
He asked for a detailed account of my trading history, and when I said "should I explain every bit of my thinking at the time, or just condense it?" he basically told me "No anon you can't lie to us!".

And when I told him I made a few transactions back and forth just to test out how crypto worked, he said "ah but if you spend that much time on crypto then it becomes your profession".

Seriously what in the world of FUCK.

[Anonymous No.28105241]

>>28105121
Please do post the email convo.
The dude I talked to didn't give a fuck about how long I held, at least your dude mentioned "long term".

[Anonymous No.28105402]

>>28105150
Nah, you need to hire an accountant/lawyer and bring this in front of court. A lot of these tax fuckers get cucked by their boss and as such decide to shit down the chain and hope to fuck a random guy's shit. He's trying to bait you. Don't talk to them without legal representation.

I've seen and heard so many stories of this bullshit happening in my internships.

t. Almost an Accountant in Belgium :^)

[Anonymous No.28105631]

>>28105150
Kek what a greedy kike. Then again, i didn't expect anything else from our government

[Anonymous No.28105701]

>>28105402
>>28105631
Thank fucking god I stayed anonymous.
I almost flat-out told him he wasn't acting in good faith with this word twisting, but god knows what he can do to backtrace me through hyperspace if really wanted.

I'm definitely not talking to them anymore without a lawyer.

He basically threatened me with a 50+% tax rate with that "if you send crypto back and forth a few times it becomes your profession" shit.

[Anonymous No.28106155]

>>28105701
Yes, and they can do that. There's vague reglementation that if you do too many trades they say you're being a professional. This can also happen if you day trade stocks. But it seems like you trade only a couple of times a year? Second professions are taxed at 55%, no matter what IIRC, so he's not bullshitting you. That's why it's better to consult with an accountant now, so that you can get your shit in order and BTFO this faggot in court. Will cost you a few hundred (assumption), but it will spare you the 55% rate. (Which is stupid greedy because that high of a rate makes it worth it to *always* fight their bullshit in court)

[Anonymous No.28106400]

>>28106155
>But it seems like you trade only a couple of times a year?
I traded a bunch of times in 2016 and early 2017. Zero since then.

>Second professions are taxed at 55%
Nah, main profession is about that.
If it's a secondary profession, it's 33%.

>That's why it's better to consult with an accountant now
I guess, but that means pretty much letting my surroundings know what I have.

[Anonymous No.28106996]

>>28106400
>Second professions are taxed at 55%
>Nah, main profession is about that.
>If it's a secondary profession, it's 33%.

Could be, I haven't had a lot of experience in the field. Almost nobody has a second job, and if they do, it's "int zwart" like boomers say.

Your surroundings shouldn't know shit. Going to an accountant is just that. Loads of people that don't do anything special have their taxes done by one. If people for some reason have to pry, just say it's your "personenbelasting" for your day job or whatever it is you do. It's none of their business and accountants have a legal duty to not flap their mouths.

>I traded a bunch of times in 2016 and early 2017. Zero since then.

He's grasping at straws then. You probably got pulled in the State's random audit lottery.

[Anonymous No.28107228]

>>28103987
the European union probably supersedes Belgian tax law anyways

[Anonymous No.28107462]

>>28107228
Eh, the EU is focusing on VAT law at the moment.
The EU has nothing on the retardation of Belgian Tax law.

[Anonymous No.28107554]

what are the chances of getting the "good housefather" designation?

[Anonymous No.28107611]

Does anyone know what will happen in my case if they ever find out?

In 2017 I made around 50k profit, but I didn't pay the 33% tax in 2018. I then decided to pay it in 2019, so in the wrong year. I never heard anything about it after I did that and they just took my money.

I worked part-time at the time when I made the profits (still am).
Those profits are still held on an exchange since I am too scared to bring them back to a bank account. I've been depositing a few thousand here and there but it's gonna take years at this pace.

Can they still come back and buttfuck me for doing that or levy a 50% tax because I made too much trades? I've read they can only go back 5 years in case of fraud (which I didn't do cuz I paid the tax). 3 years in normal cases, and that term has passed.

[Anonymous No.28107849]

>>28106400
>>28106996
What about having a big stack on ledger and trading once or twice a week with other small bucks?
And what's are the most crypto friendly banks? I want to buy into a bitcoin fund but none of them allow me to

[Anonymous No.28107974]

>>28107849
is that the crypto girl who did porn and regretted it?

[Anonymous No.28108205]

>>28107849
>What about having a big stack on ledger and trading once or twice a week with other small bucks?
They choose.

[Anonymous No.28108253]

>>28107849
>And what's are the most crypto friendly banks?
In Belgium? None. Why would they care?

[Anonymous No.28108301]

>>28103987
I'm from Luxembourg, 0% taxes on crypto after 6 months of hodling here. Belgium is a joke country and we use Belgians in our jokes like other people use blondes or Irishmen. End of discussion

[Anonymous No.28108783]

>>28106155
Do you know where the line is between trading as profession and trading as a regular person?

Sometimes I do like 10 trades a week, but then other times I don't trade for months. I'm scared I will get rekt for those short bursts of trading activity. I have a full-time job unrelated to trading, but I doubt these fucks will accept that as an excuse.

[Anonymous No.28109054]

>>28103987
>>28104436
>>28105402
I work as a manager in the Tax&Legal department of a big 4 accounting firm in Belgium
crypto is a dangerous investment for Belgians
tax man will judge it as speculative trading and will take 1/3rd of your gains.
banks also need to tip off any money transfers from foreign accounts or crypto brokers larger than 3K to the "bijzondere belastingsinspectie"
not being open about your crypto could also result in tax fraud alligations which in the most extreme cases can result in you being blacklisted which means every employer that ever wants to hire you or any bank you want a mortgage from will get a big red warning when they put your "rijksregisternummer" into the computer
unironically had a client a few months ago that tried to hide his 100K crypto portfolio, got caught when trying to cash out because he wanted to buy a house with his girlfriend and in the end ended up with only 37K after taxes and fines (and our 6,5K bill for our services/advice). he also got blacklisted and he and his girlfriend couldn't get a mortgage because of it. she eventually even dumped him because of it. shit was brutal to be honest

[Anonymous No.28109140]

>>28108783
No, the State chooses.

[Anonymous No.28109630]

>>28109054

How about they don't tax us anything?

[Anonymous No.28109852]

>>28109054
If I have a crypto portfolio, but never converted to fiat or stablecoins. Do I need pay taxes on crypto->crypto transfers like in the US? Or only when I cash out?

Do I need to mention I have bitcoin in the same way you specify foreign accounts? How do I avoid trouble in the future?

[Anonymous No.28109969]

>>28103987
how is crypto trading / swinging treated by the belgian tax system? I only use binance btw. I trade using BUSD or USDT

[Anonymous No.28110052]

>>28109630
>Belgian fiscus
>not taxing anything
sorry pal but that's not how this 3 government cabinet supporting, high pension paying, social democratic welfare stateing, intercomunale and subsidised VZW'ing, money devouring, debt burdened monstrosity of a country functions
the government burns cash like crazy so you better believe the fiscus will try to tax anything that moves

[Anonymous No.28110193]

>>28109852
it is still all very vague to be honest and I'm 100% sure the tax man will remain vague for one reason: it can colour outside the lines as much as it wants and get away with at the moment
crypto to crypto transfers for now are safe from taxation, fiscus isn't smart enough for that
probably like foreign accounts yes but for now don't inform them about it unless you plan to cash out (then you inform them 3 months in advance)

[Anonymous No.28110353]

>>28109969
33% tax rate if you do it as a professional, which it seems like.

[Anonymous No.28110486]

>>28110353
i'm just experimenting atm with >500EUR

[Anonymous No.28110556]

>>28106996
>>28109054
I also read that the tax man can't really look more than three years into the past unless they have indications of fraud.
Is this a way out?
Most of my fiat went to crypto over four years ago.

>He's grasping at straws then.
God I fucking hope so.

[Anonymous No.28110604]

>>28103987
I needed this thread. Ok so crypto trading gainz are usually taxed as 'diverse income' and you pay 33% tax. However, if I understand correctly, these are only counted as diverse income if:
>you cash out in EUR
>your behavior is seen as 'speculation'

So my question is, can I just do my trades for a year, place them in a relatively stable coin (or just USDT) at the end and cash out after 3 years and just say I HODL'd for 3 years so it's no speculation?

[Anonymous No.28110668]

>>28110604
Read the thread bro, it doesn't work that way.

[Anonymous No.28110703]

>>28110556
More like 7
>>28110486
Doesn't matter if you have profits. Even if it's only €1

[Anonymous No.28110953]

>>28110703
Nope, 3 years if no fraud, 5 if fraud

[Anonymous No.28111053]

>>28109054
That's brutal. How did het get caught?

[Anonymous No.28111076]

>>28110193
What if I buy and hold, never sell for 1-2 years.
Never convert crypto to crypto.
Will they tax me?

[Anonymous No.28111242]

>>28110703
>Doesn't matter if you have profits. Even if it's only €1
I hate my country so goddamn much

[Anonymous No.28111338]

>>28110668
ok fair, thanks

[Anonymous No.28111727]

>>28104436
You might unironically have to hire a lawyer. When my father sold his own company, that he has built with his own hands for over 20 years, they tried to argue it was speculative trading as well. Go figure.
If the taxman tells you to pay up however, my advice would be to do so, and continue the conversation through legal representation. You will potentially need to go to court to get the money back. The good news is that the interest rate the state pays (if they're wrong) is relatively high at +7%, and it will be compounded if your lawyer asks for it. The downside is that the taxman has attempted this so frequently already, that the govt has changed the law a couple years back stating that you may not claim back your legal fees if you were to win.
He won by the way, after several years.

[Anonymous No.28111857]

>>28109852
A dude on reddit said you could buy gold/silver with crypto and sell those for 0% tax.

[Anonymous No.28111917]

The real question is: what are the easiest ways to change your nationality to dodge these taxes?

[Anonymous No.28112095]

>>28111727
I hate the fiscus

[Anonymous No.28112312]

>>28109054
How did he try to hide it? Did he cash out and just didn't report anything? Because that's really stupid.

[Anonymous No.28112381]

mfw reading this thread
mfw im belgian and just cashed out 10k from kraken

am I fucked ? SHould i report thoses events on my tax next year ?

is it reallly 33% ?

[Anonymous No.28112480]

>>28112381
You're not fucked if you declare. And it will be 33%. Get a lawyer/accountant to help you.

[Anonymous No.28112486]

Any anons know how it works in Luxembourg?

[Anonymous No.28112587]

>>28112381
just migrate to the netherlands, they have 1,2% of total assets per year as tax

[Anonymous No.28112636]

>>28112095
It really makes you think. Glad I left that shithole.
>>28111917
You only need to change your residence. Afaik Belgium won't chase you for capital gains tax if you're no longer a tax resident. But you will need to actually live in that country and cut most of your ties with Belgium. Can't come back too soon either, maybe take a sabatical of 2 years.

[Anonymous No.28112776]

>>28112381
It's 33% PLUS gemeentebelastingen :^)

[Anonymous No.28113082]

>>28112636
You can go to NL, they have very low tax on crypto, or LUX but that's really small and probably more expensive. I think this is the cheapest way to cash out, but again a lawyer is needed to make sure you do everything by the book.

The problem, at least in my opinion, is that the rules aren't clear.

Maybe if we wait a while (for crypto adoption) there will be more clarity? Maybe a political party like the VLD or MR takes it up as a point to gain votes for an election.

[Anonymous No.28113208]

>>28104436
He stayed it correctly. In Belgium making a trade is a taxable event. However you are not taxed on the additional surplus you get while holding set asset.

So if you buy link that is taxable, but holding then selling it after two years is not.

[Anonymous No.28113310]

>>28105701
next time i will contact them, i will make sure to use my aliexpress vpn, tor and some proxies.

thank you sir

[Anonymous No.28113409]

>>28113082
I think it'll just get more expensive if there's clarity. Nobody likes a few 'kids' who got rich over virtual money.

[Anonymous No.28113622]

>>28113409
Unless we get someone to shill some politicians to put in a good and clear taxation regime to gain an easy 10% of the votes as everyone who holds crypto will vote for this party because of this one single point. I know I would, I would vote for any shitty party all the way from far left to far right if it meant taxation became more clear and frankly cheaper.

[Anonymous No.28113665]

>>28113082
Honestly just go live at the beach in Portugal for 2 years if the gains are large enough. The risk with this strategy is that you can only sell once you are a registered resident, and are officially deregistered from your Belgian community. So you'll have to hold until you get your shit in order.

[Anonymous No.28113855]

>>28113665
What's the risk? Nothing much, you can always rent a car and drive back to Belgium to see family or have them fly over.

But if NL has 1.2% tax for Crypto that's way more of a logical place to go as it's closer by and easier wrt language

[Anonymous No.28114198]

>>28113855
Yeah, when I did it the whole process only took two days. And that's only because townhalls are open only during the mornings.
>it's closer by and easier wrt language
Ah but you see. After chilling for two years, you go back to holland. And because you are now a foreign expat you'll get a 30% tax ruling for your income tax the next couple years as well.

[Anonymous No.28114282]

>>28113855
NL taxes your wealth 1.2% yearly no matter if made investments with it or not. They have a wealth tax. It is cancer.

As for Belgium. You basically need to hold a crypto for 2-3 years then lawyer up and drag them to court saying it is not speculation. Because they 100% will try and fuck you over.

So basically invest a small sum of your money into some coins and wait a long time is not counted as speculation. Same thing happend with BTC.

Buying in having a huge pump then selling is taxed at 33%. If you don't work it viewed as income and taxed as such, 55%.

[Anonymous No.28114443]

>>28114198
So if I put all in stablecoins, move to another country, sell stablecoins for EUR, move back to belgium. Then what's the difference between Portugal and NL except for the 1.2%? If I move back from Portugal or NL I will in both cases be an expact.

[Anonymous No.28114468]

>>28103987
HELLO EVERYONE
I GOT THIS ANSWER FROM FINANCE MINISTRY OF BELGIUM
https://pastebin.com/xs2YH19f
(english: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&u=https://pastebin.com/xs2YH19f )
WHAT THIS BOOMER REPLY MEANS?
WHY THERE IS NOT CLEAR LEGISLATION?

[Anonymous No.28114642]

>>28114282
OOOOH ok I thought 1.2% if you sold, wasn't aware you'd have to pay this anyway. That's kinda crappy. But then again, if you do this for 2 years while you wait for nationality change + maybe another 2 years for other stuff or something that goes wrong it's only 5% in taxes vs 33% in Belgium. If those 28% difference are enough to pay for rent and living in NL doing some stupid job that supposedly pays your bills it's still a financially smart decision (if your personal situation allows it obv)

[Anonymous No.28114748]

>>28113208
So if understand correctly, my 10K link bought at 0,22$ are taxable event where i should have pay 33% taxes but if i sold them tomorrow i don't pay taxes?

[Anonymous No.28114782]

>>28114468
looks like i need to get myself a part time job. that way i can become a good housefather... lol

[Anonymous No.28114932]

>>28103987
I recently moved to Belgium. I've been writing algorithms for swing trading, but haven't hit the go button yet.

I know I'm supposed to declare every stonk trade at the latest 2 months after the fact, and pay somewhere between 0.25 and 1.25% of the amount traded in tax, but no capital gains? Does this also hold true for crypto? Pls help me frens

[Anonymous No.28114952]

i've put €5000 into btc like 3 years ago but i'm only planning to cash out in the next 5-10 years or so
am i fucked?

[Anonymous No.28114959]

>>28114748
You can try, but if the amount is big the taxman will say you're trying to dodge taxes and because the rules aren't clear you can expect to pay a lot for a lawyer that might not win your case.

>>28114468
That's the regular answer you could have looked up yourself. 50% if professional (trading for a living), 33% if you declare it as such (if you do this they'll leave you alone most likely since they've got a big chunk of your money) and 0% ... you can try but as I stated above small chance you get away with it if it's a sizable amount of money.

[Anonymous No.28114999]

>>28114782
i'm already a good housefather
but i made this morning more than my yearly salary
these fuckers won't let me cash out tax free
do i really need to fuck off somewhere else?

[Anonymous No.28115070]

>>28113208
>In Belgium making a trade is a taxable event.
no it isn't. thats america.

[Anonymous No.28115151]

>>28114959
gotcha, i will just hire a lawyer / taxman

[Anonymous No.28115164]

>>28104207
Our population is pretty big for the size of our country.
We have more than Sweden for example.

[Anonymous No.28115162]

>>28114999
from what i understand, im not paying shit unless the rules are more clear. also i think if they find out about your crypto and they know everything you still only have to pay what your supposed to pay the first time. as a warning. only after that you get fined

[Anonymous No.28115289]

>>28115162
exactly this. also theres no tax on holding bitcoin. so if you don't take profits, IE you sell and then buy back lower, you haven't taken any profits. see? just make sure you don't have any profits when its time to fill the tax papers.

[Anonymous No.28115290]

>>28114999
That's the question. There's not one confirmed case of someone getting the 0% ruling, only people parroting what someone else parroted from someone who claims to be a Belgian dude on reddit. And even then, IF it's actually legit it's most of the time someone who cashed out 5k EUR or something like that. I think most people here are Linkies and are wanting to cash out a couple million EUR.

[Anonymous No.28115353]

>>28114999
same sir

[Anonymous No.28115364]

>>28108301
All right, from now on no more airspace defence for you. The belgian and dutch royal airforce are revoking your F35 privileges now.

[Anonymous No.28115378]

>>28115162
>. also i think if they find out about your crypto and they know everything you still only have to pay what your supposed to pay the first time. as a warning. only after that you get fined
LOL got any source on this LARP?

>>28115164
Our population isn't the only thing BIG in this country if you catch my drift

[Anonymous No.28115462]

>>28104207
Nigga the population density is ten times higher in Belgium than in the US

[Anonymous No.28115563]

>>28115378
honestly just heard it from some guys at the pub that had their own company. which it happened to

[Anonymous No.28115628]

>>28103987
no u

[Anonymous No.28115789]

>>28115462
Well, yeah. The US is about as large the entirety of Europe but with half the population. It's easy to be dense when you're small.

[Anonymous No.28115997]

>>28115789
Manlet.jpg

[Anonymous No.28116007]

>>28114443
>So if I put all in stablecoins
That's a taxable transaction nigger
> I will in both cases be an expact
Needs to be a certain distance from the border.

[Anonymous No.28116059]

>>28113082
if you want to wait for clear legislation in this shithole elon will have already moved all bitcoin to a server on mars

[Anonymous No.28116069]

>>28115563
Sorry not believing this.

https://www.bespaarbelastingen.be/belastingen/hoe-wordt-mijn-winst-op-cryptocurrency-belast/
33% in almost all cases unless it's 50% because you live from the gains

https://www.tuerlinckx.eu/nl/shares-expertise/cryptocurrency-ook-crypto-taxatie
Make sure to show what how much you paid and you have to give a complete overview of what you did in crypto

https://financeinfo.be/nieuws/294/zijn-winsten-van-cryptomunten-belastbaar-in-belgie
If you only have crypto and no regular investments there's little chance it's 0% because you're ALL IN on one investment type. Multiple trades per week and/or giving seminars means it's your job and you pay the full 45-55%.

More information in a next post.

[Anonymous No.28116169]

>>28116007
But isn't the whole clue of moving abroad to not pay taxes in Belgium? So even though it's a taxable event to move all to USDC, you move to portugal where you will cash out those USDC and pay 0% tax?

[Anonymous No.28116300]

>>28116007
stop trying to force belgians into a cuck taxation.

a crypto to crypto trade is not taxable. there are no rules in Belgium right now. You declare or you don't and you pay 33pct tax on your profits. if you don't have any profits (only euros count) then you pay no tax.


stop trying to cuck belgians holy shit.

[Anonymous No.28116340]

>>28116069
https://www.ruling.be/sites/default/files/content/download/files/jaarverslag_dvb_2017_nl.pdf

[Anonymous No.28116368]

>>28103987
There’s no fucking taxes on speculations. Just ask for a «ruling» before selling your tokens if you aren’t sure.

(And have a job or something on the side, just to say that you aren’t a trader)

[Anonymous No.28116419]

>>28116069
OP here, I had about 50% more money invested in my pension fund at the time.

>buy crypto in 2016/2017
>trade and diversify a bit (mostly holding)
>stop trading entirely in mid-2018
>hodling ever since

What're my odds?

[Anonymous No.28116429]

Er lopen twee belgen over straat zegt de een:
Mag ik nu eens in het midden lopen?

[Anonymous No.28116500]

>>28116069
what about the good huisvader thing then

- the money invested does not come from a bank loan or a company
- my main source of income is not related to crypto-currencies but to salaried or self-employed work
- there are no daily transactions and the investment is maintained for more than a year

[Anonymous No.28116594]

>>28116340
Important part:
"THE INHERENT RISKS OF CRYPTO MEANS NEVER SAFE HOUSEKEEPER PRINCIPLE"

This is a confirmed ruling, not some larp on a mongolian basket weaving forum. 0% for HODL is LARP. It's either 33% if you declare yourself, or 50% if you try for 0%, they look into what you did (some neet trying to skimp us??) and you get raped to poordom in front of the court.

[Anonymous No.28116706]

>>28116300
>a crypto to crypto trade is not taxable
How do figure? Capital gains tax are normally owed when the gain is realized. I.e. when you trade it in for another asset.
Happy to be proven wrong if you have a source.

[Anonymous No.28116739]

>>28116500
>my main source of income is not related to crypto-currencies but to salaried or self-employed work
This only applies if your gains are small vs what you make. I think people here want to know how to cash out 1M eur or more.

>there are no daily transactions and the investment is maintained for more than a year
See what I posted in
>>28116340
Ruling said the inherent risk of holding crypto is enough to rule 33%

[Anonymous No.28116756]

>>28116500
this

[Anonymous No.28116826]

>>28116594
so 33% if you cash out. if you just hodl 0?

[Anonymous No.28117024]

>>28116706
>How do figure? Capital gains tax are normally owed when the gain is realized. I.e. when you trade it in for another asset.

no. taxi is only applicable on euros. if you dont have any euros or profit (ie you reinvest) then you pay no taxes. the same for stocks. as long as you dont' have euros you don't pay taxes.

[Anonymous No.28117068]

>>28116594
>THE INHERENT RISKS

crypto is literally a safe haven. a place to reduce risk

[Anonymous No.28117083]

Other good source:

https://www.consysta.com/media/seminar_on_cryptocurrencies_20181207.pdf

[Anonymous No.28117133]

>>28117068
This.

[Anonymous No.28117236]

>>28110052
honestly just split up and have france and dude weed land each take the parts that speak their languages

[Anonymous No.28117271]

>>28116826
I think so yeah, as long as you don't cash out no taxes need to be paid.

>>28117068
Good luck explaining the boomer who works at the tax office.

Again people: 0% tax is meme to keep you holding instead of trading. There's little to no proof anyone managed to cash out a sizable amount of EUR and got a 0% tax rule.

[Anonymous No.28117358]

>>28117271
guess my linkies gonna stay stinkie for a while

[Anonymous No.28117534]

>>28117024
>the same for stocks
So you're saying if I cash out in USD the trade wouldn't be taxable? What if I were to spend those USD directly on consumer goods. Nigger you've either found a major loop hole or you're not making any sense.

[Anonymous No.28117612]

>>28117068
Belgians don't understand crypto, most people here only understand their job and their loan from the bank for their house.

[Anonymous No.28117663]

>>28117534
theres tons of loopholes in belgium dude. it comes down to this : if you want to pay tax you pay tax.

[Anonymous No.28117691]

>>28117358
IMO it's best to do one logical swing trade (google pump, zeus liquidation pump) you know it will be there this year, then you pay the lawyer to make sure you're safe with 33%

OOOOOOOOOORRRR if you want to do the effort and can manage with job and family life you move to another country
OOOOR you go to stablecoins, use it farm, and make it your profession and cash out every month and pay 50% tax but buy stuff to reduce said taxes. AKA get a good accountant to fix things and make sure you're not too screwed. No idea if that's possible.

[Anonymous No.28117746]

>>28117663
Those only every work for those cocksuckers in Knokke Heist

[Anonymous No.28117747]

>>28116340
>hurrr there's risk of loss with crypto

lmao but not with stock?

[Anonymous No.28117798]

How does it feel to work hard and have 60% taken to pay for africans and muslims who will spawn more kids that you ever will (too busy working) thus worsening the ever expanding problem of burdens to the collective solidarity system?

[Anonymous No.28117858]

>>28117534
Grey area, paying with crypto means the crypto is being sold. But... the amounts are small and it's kind of anonymous if you go about this smart so if you have small amount of money this is doable. You could buy gift cards and sell them for 95% of the initial price and only accept cash, to pay 5% tax t wash your crypto. But this is illegal so yo wont sleep well

[Anonymous No.28117926]

>>28117746
>Knokke Heist
Gebaseerd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6fizRYdj9c

[Anonymous No.28117949]

>>28117663
i also have the feeling that belgium is pretty behind on spying on their people the way USA is doing.

[Anonymous No.28117978]

>>28117858
got you are so new and such a cuck. gift cards? you have a lunch money portfolioi dont you. holy shit.

[Anonymous No.28118008]

>>28117798
I live in Aalst and I can tell you that niggers are the worst of the worst, we have a think called consumptiecheques they are basicaly foodstamps, my boss calls them niggercheques because only blacks and sandniggers use them. This country is such a shithole.

[Anonymous No.28118021]

>>28117747
Don't have to convince me, those are the rules of the game and it's important to understand this.

The best way to go about this is CONVINCE POLITICS TO CHANGE REGULATIONS. There are enough people in crypto right now, I expect about 20% of 18-35 year olds are in crypto. By the end of the bullrun this will be more. Maybe 40%. That's a nice amount of votes to convince some faggot party to add something to their program about cryptocorns

[Anonymous No.28118102]

>>28118021
It doesn't make any sense, anon.
Literally every investment has risks and upsides.

[Anonymous No.28118186]

>>28118008
Trump was right

[Anonymous No.28118224]

>>28117978
>uses KEK
wow really tough guy here

[Anonymous No.28118375]

>>28118102
>It doesn't make any sense, anon.
Welcome to belgium. Also don't tell me you don't think crypto is more risky than any other kind of investment.


https://cryptoschool.be/hoe-kijkt-de-belgische-fiscus-naar-cryptocurrencys/

Boom another source that says 33%

[Anonymous No.28118470]

>>28107611
Whether the cash is on binance / kraken we or on your banking account does not make a difference to these greedy kikes, sorry anon.

[Anonymous No.28118500]

>>28118375
>Als je als goede huisvader een deel van je vermogen voor de lange termijn in cryptocurrency’s belegt, moet je niets aangeven.

From your own source.

[Anonymous No.28118584]

>>28108301
I have a question for you: If I move to Luxembourg and get fiscally domiciled there, and sold crypto I have been holding for more than 6 months, I'm good to go? no tax?

[Anonymous No.28118593]

What about trading stocks, ETFs, and options on Binckbank, for a few hours per week?
Stay silent, or spontanuously take the 33 or 50 percent hit to avoid risking also having to pain a fine?
Any solutions to pay less? Or at least do it fairer (i.e. some way you can somehow deduct losses, at least partly). Would setting up a bvba help?

[Anonymous No.28118764]

>>28118500
Read earlier in this thread, there's 0 proof of anyone ever getting this ruling since CRYPTO's ARE INHERENTLY RISKY. I know you want to believe, as do I, but it's not happening,

[Anonymous No.28118782]

>>28118008
I like your boss, very based indeed.

[Anonymous No.28118926]

>>28118764
Anon, that line came from your own source.

And there was an anon in a previous thread who got a ruling for 0%: see the tiny pic in >>28104436

[Anonymous No.28119105]

>>28109054

Am employed, bought 2.5 BTCs on three occasions from 2019 to 2020. Sold it 2021, cashing in 40k profit. Am I fucked, will I get ass blasted by the tax man?

[Anonymous No.28119119]

>>28118926
>>/biz/thread/S26565908

[Anonymous No.28119150]

>>28118926
Yeah wow anon said so lol

[Anonymous No.28119211]

>>28117949

Yeah, not gonna lie, the Belgium government is miles behind... We have the highest taxes in the world and also the highest tax evasion.

I'm pretty sure you would get away with alot if you keep a low profile and don't buy a fucking lambo

[Anonymous No.28119300]

>>28109054
I would like to contact you, explain my case and get your professional advice. How do I contact you anon?

[Anonymous No.28119397]

>>28119211
its like an endless cycle. the higher the taxes get the more evasion

if they just made it 10% i feel like everyone would just pay. but theyre probably still making more money with the current system.

[Anonymous No.28119570]

>>28119150
Even your primary source here: >>28116340
says the investor was not acting as "good housefather" because of the high sums invested.

The dude also "regularly" traded in crypto, and the very next year he sold.

The fact that crypto is risky is not the primary reason for the 33% ruling.

[Anonymous No.28119684]

>>28110703
>More like 7
Only if they have an indication of actual fraud.

[Anonymous No.28119866]

>>28103987
Vlaanderen boven fuck de walen fuck negers fuck joden Linkse ratten Rolt uw matten

[Anonymous No.28120268]

So from what I gather from this thread I'm supposed to pay 33% on profits only when I cash out? What if my crypto portfolio increases in value but I don't cash out? Is there also a per-trade tax?

[Anonymous No.28120423]

>>28119866
Belgie als land moet verdwijnen, het werkt niet en zal nooit niet werken we betalen ons blauw aan belastingen en ze schijten tegen mag 5 al het geld er door om dan voor uw tv te zitten en te kijken hoe die parasiet van een Frank vandenbroucke zijn zeg komt doen alsof Agusta nooit gebeurd is.

[Anonymous No.28120454]

>>28114959
is 60k a sizable amount of money?

[Anonymous No.28120668]

>>28116300
>>28117024
>only euros count
I also want to see some citation on this. Seems like a game changer to me.
(Especially since 75%+ of my profits are from margin positions I opened on euro pairs. You better not be telling me I could have avoided all that tax just by doing it on Tether pairs instead.)

[Anonymous No.28120670]

When a dutch-speaking Belgian meets a french-speaking Belgian, what language do they use to communicate? English?

[Anonymous No.28120719]

>>28120670
brusselair

[Anonymous No.28120763]

>>28120268
yes. 33pct if you speculate.
>> Is there also a per-trade tax?
no. although some cucks in this thread seem to want this to be a thing.

there isn't tax on stock increases so you an just buy stocks and keep reinvesting in stocks that pay dividends. when you sell the stock theres 0 tax there. theres tax on the interest/dividens once it is above 800eur/year

[Anonymous No.28120835]

>>28103987
Belgiumbros read this https://www.tijd.be/netto/belastingen/aangifte2020/glipt-de-winst-op-bitcoins-door-de-mazen-van-het-belastingnet/10226857.html

[Anonymous No.28120862]

>>28120670
>when a dutch-speaking Belgian meets a french-speaking Belgian, what language do they us
We just don't talk with each other

[Anonymous No.28120867]

>>28120670
Walloons rarly talk Dutch, Flemisch people mostly talk French or at least know a basic amount of it. We also have a German part but nobody ever realy talks about them.

[Anonymous No.28121028]

>>28120668
>Tether pairs instead
tether is just like bitcoin , property. you cant get taxed on virtual property in belgium yet there is no laws around this. USDT does not even legally have to be backed by USD and isn't even USD. if you go in tether then you just traded one virtual property for another virtual property. no tax to be paid here. you didnt realise any profits, profits are to be calculated on euros. profits are to be declared when you fill in the tax paper in "diverse inkomen" if you have no euros to declare, you pay no taxes.

[Anonymous No.28121365]

>>28121028
Fffuuuuuuuuuu-
I made enough on those trades that the tax bill will be more than I earn in a year and I'll have to cash some out to pay it. But I could only close into euros. At least I'll know next time.

[Anonymous No.28121636]

>>28120670
depends on how old they are, most young belgians are expected to be semi-competent in at least three languages (dutch, french, german) or they're considered retarded

[Anonymous No.28121740]

>>28121636
i meant dutch french and english

[Anonymous No.28121950]

>>28120835
>Excluding municipal taxes
I'm a self-employed foreigner in Belgium so I'm not really up to speed with all the insane ways they try to fuck you here but, uh, wtf is this? I pay income tax, social security, health insurance, VAT. Are you telling me there's MORE?

[Anonymous No.28122067]

>>28121950
The ride never ends.

[Anonymous No.28122354]

>>28121950
Wait until they introduce the covid tax

[Anonymous No.28122419]

>>28122354
lmaoo

[Anonymous No.28122942]

>>28103987
Alright guy, what I've gathered in this thread is pretty simple.
Just pay that 33% and live your life, not everything is about money.

[Anonymous No.28123170]

>>28120835
Again, they're saying "don't declare" if you invested as a good housefather.

I only invested a few $k, and held for over two years with absolutely zero trades.
I invested as a good housefather, end of story.

[Anonymous No.28123272]

>>28122942
just pay the tax goy. Mohamed's wife is happy to receive your tax money for her 5 children

[Anonymous No.28123525]

>>28123272
>Alright guy, what I've gathered in this thread is pretty simple.
this

[Anonymous No.28123799]

>>28123170
This thread is basically owned by de fiscus and they are gonna pounce on anyone saying they got away with it.


Nice try fiscus-bro. I made a loss on crypto and I'll say that on record.

[Anonymous No.28124132]

>>28123799
I didn't "get away" with anything, I simply expect to be treated equal under the law to people like Coucke cashing out large sums in stock with 0% tax rate.

[Anonymous No.28124639]

>>28123799
imagine cashing out at all though. bitcoin is going to millions.

[Anonymous No.28124765]

>>28112480
What do you mean by "declare"?
Are you implying that if we don't transfer our profits to a national bank or use all that money at once (at least directly) that the tax departement won't notice it?
Wouldn't that be tax fraud?

[Anonymous No.28124839]

>>28122942
fuck off you cuck, don't wanna pay more taxes that I already do, don't want to finance further the replacement of my people.

[Anonymous No.28125274]

>>28124765
The consensus is that you don't even have to declare if you invested as a good housefather.
"Declaring" means writing about it in your tax return.

[Anonymous No.28125514]

>>28124132
this

[Anonymous No.28125965]

>>28123272
>Mohamed's wife is happy to receive your tax money for her 5 children
RREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Amerimutts have no clue how good they have it with mexicans. At least they can have landscapers for cheap, oranges at a traffic light, some blow for parties. What do we get? Stabbed on the train, blown up in the airport or run over by trucks. I want muslims to leave.

[Anonymous No.28126128]

>>28125274
So what happens if you don't declare because you *thought* your investment counted as a good housefather case, but they look into you and decide otherwise? It was an honest mistake, after all, just like taking my Trezor on that boating expedition was.

[Anonymous No.28126178]

you have to be retarded to stay in belgium if you bagged a million on crypto

[Anonymous No.28127101]

>>28126178
One can obtain residency in Dubai if sponsorship by an employer is provided. The Dubai residence visa must be renewed every three years. Another way to obtain residency in Dubai is by purchasing real estate. Once a person obtains residency, he or she will also be allowed to open a bank account in Dubai.

(there is no income tax or capital gains tax in dubai)

you can basically buy property there, go sit there in your appartment while your folio moons. and you travel the world for "business appointments".

[Anonymous No.28127382]

>>28126128
Then it's up to them to prove it, and they have to be entirely objective about it, especially if it goes to court.
But if you do it frivolously, chances are you'll get slapped by fines etc.

If you only invested a small amount and held for a long time (while still full-time employed), you should be good in any event. 33% at the very worst.

[Anonymous No.28127812]

>>28127382
>up to them to prove it
No way
With most tax disputes in most countries it works the other way around
Well anyway, I have a long-term hold wallet and a shitcoin flipping wallet. I could plausibly claim good housefather for the long-term one and only pay 33% on the flipping one, right? Even if I might not get away with it in the end?

[Anonymous No.28127866]

Hallo my Belgiese broers, ek is van Suid-Afrika en wil graag julle kom besoek na Corona! Mooi aand vir julle!

[Anonymous No.28128007]

>>28127812
This is belgium bro. its a clusterfuck and theres loopholes everywhere. our laws are so vague you could argu almost anything and get away with it.


in my opinion they shoud treat cryptos like stocks. theres no capital gains on stocks. thats how they will be able to keep rich crypto dudes here. else, you'll get a huge capital flight. theres tons of countries where you are welcomed with open arms with your money and not taxed.

[Anonymous No.28128031]

>>28127812
Well you have to provide all the data of course lol.
But if they want you to pay 33% it's up to them to prove it was NOT "good housefather" investing you were doing.
Or if they want to slap you with the full 50+%, they'll have to prove you were doing it professionally.

[Anonymous No.28128121]

>>28128007
>open arms with your money and not taxed.
with your crypto*. (which isn't money)

[Anonymous No.28128410]

though i was the only belgian on here
hello fellow faggots

[Anonymous No.28128428]

>>28127866
KOM BOEREKRYGERS WEES NOU HELDEEEEE
DIE DAG VAN REKENSKAP IS HIER

[Anonymous No.28128531]

>>28118375
it's not 33%, it is when you sell in the context of trading

i though it would be a good idea to move to holland instead, where they charge 5%

[Anonymous No.28128741]

>>28103987
hello fellow belgocucks
I have recently bought 400 euros worth of iotas. Now here is my situation: I am still a university student, and I receive 2000 euros in subsidies, since my parents fall under the limit of poverty. Now, if i make a profit on my investment, will they retract my subsidies? pls help, i can still retract my money at a small loss (only a few euros)

[Anonymous No.28128811]

Europe has its own Connecticut, how cute.

[Anonymous No.28128870]

>>28128741
Best advice is to hold for a few years if you don't really need the money.
It's a curse and a blessing, since it forces you to hodl.

[Anonymous No.28128899]

>>28128741
why would you tell them about it?

[Anonymous No.28129037]

>>28120670
I don't talk to them. They have nothing interesting to say and never bother to talk Dutch.

[Anonymous No.28129164]

>>28128741
Like the other anon said, keep holding. If I were you I wouldn't sell anything until I were out of school. Because your parents also receive child's money and that's another headache

[Anonymous No.28129564]

>gift my crypto to someone in a country with no crypto tax
>they cash out
>give me the money

???

[Anonymous No.28130439]

>>28116069
Joke's on them, I'm never selling

[Anonymous No.28130479]

>>28129164
>>28128870
fuck my ass, i didn't think this through

>>28128899
when it comes to taxes, our governement proves competent all of the sudden

[Anonymous No.28131651]

>>28127866
blijf thuis neger

[Anonymous No.28131809]

>>28118470
I doubt that's the case. Your bank notifies the fiscus, while Kraken says nothing
>>28120670
Either the one who knows the other language best switches, or the person who is the 'guest' has to adapt.
Older generations Flemish people spoke French quite well
>>28120835
I don't mind HODL'ing for 20 years, pretty sure I won't pay a dime

[Anonymous No.28131851]

This is probably the best and most clear thread /biz/ has ever had.

I hate my country so much

[Anonymous No.28132207]

>>28129564
large sums of money that are gifted get taxed

[Anonymous No.28132261]

>>28130479
so now i have a follow-up question:
I bought the iota on "etoro". If i sell it again, would the fiscus be able to see the money i got on that account, or would he only notice if i deposited back to my bank account?

[Anonymous No.28132349]

"goede" huisvader = retarded huisvader, wie hodl er nu 3 jaar als ge de crash ziet aankomen, zelfde voor aandelen.

[Anonymous No.28132691]

>>28131851
Unironically pic related.

[Anonymous No.28132697]

>>28114468
NEDERLANDS GRAAG WALLOLLOLLO.

[Anonymous No.28132971]

>>28132691
Top kek

[Anonymous No.28133536]

>>28104436

Ah yes the taxman is a real cunt. You see, these guys want every fuckin cent they can squeeze out of you because this country is a fiscal hellhole. The irony is the only thing that will be bring in more money is being a fiscal cunt. I deal with these guys in my job and they are worse than a fucking sandnigger trying to haggle you for a fake gucci bag in some sleazy bazaar. The amount of horseshit i have had to put up with from them actually makes my stomach turn

[Anonymous No.28133838]

>>28108253
KBC fren, anything under 10k is fine

[Anonymous No.28133887]

>>28132261
bros wtf i already made 60 euros and i only bought this morning i cant even sell at a loss anymore fuk me im going to have to hodl for years this better get stable at a high point

[Anonymous No.28133921]

>>28109054
nice larp

[Anonymous No.28134087]

>>28132261
dude no one cares about your pocket change.

[Anonymous No.28134127]

>>28132261
Pretty sure they can only tell if it lands in your Belgian account.
Most exchanges are foreign, and I think they can't actually force them to give them banking info.
Not sure.

[Anonymous No.28134137]

I dont have the belgian citizenship (just my "carte de séjour permanente"), and I don't pay any taxes since I'm a student and only ever had summer jobs under 450h/year. But I live in Belgium and have a belgian bank account.

Do I still need to declare my profits?

[Anonymous No.28134230]

>>28133921
thats what it felt like when I read it too. trying to scare us belgerinos. larperino confermed.

[Anonymous No.28134285]

So, I just did some calculations. My total crypto buy in is €24450 spread over 3 years. If i cash out now, that would be €109120.
Then i would pay 33% on 109120-24450 = €84670. That's 27941.1 in taxes,
So i can keep my innitial 24450 + (84670- 27941.1 = 56728.9) = 81178.9

[Anonymous No.28134533]

litterally nothing has been said by the gov. eberything that's been said here is a scare tactic.

I have plenty of accounts, untraceable and even if they wanted they can never fully tax you lol.

Fucking dumb thread

[Anonymous No.28134577]

>>28118593

You can set up a BV with a goal of daytrading. This way you pay 20 percent, should your profits stay below 100k. On profits more than 100k you pay 29 percent. Look man, if you are doing a lot of it its no longer good housefzther investing. They will find out and they will buttfuck you. This way you pay your dime, let funds accumulate in your BV. Put it in a liquidation reserve, which allows you to get the money out of the BV after 5 year only paying 5 percent tax. This is how i would do it.

[Anonymous No.28134589]

>>28132349
momenteel is het voor mij 50/50 voor een crash dus ik hold liever

missing out zou meer zeer doen dan een tijdelijke crash van paar jaar

[Anonymous No.28134763]

>>28134285
or you just cash out your initial and don' t pay taxes. no profit taken = no taxes paid.

[Anonymous No.28134809]

>>28134589
Ja crypto bij mij ook, maar aandelen verkoop ik wel wat vaker.

[Anonymous No.28134917]

>>28134577
finally some good tips. maybe i wont have to move to dubai after all. 5pct and 20pct sounds reasonable

[Anonymous No.28134920]

asked a buddy a month ago what the rules and shit are about cryptotax etc (he works at the tax service and auditing in belgiium)
We are 1 month later and still no answer. they have no fucking clue what to do lol. you cannot control something decentralised. "derp they'll make it illegal" yeah sure When TESLA buys 1.5billion dollarinos wort of BTC and governments aren't gonna get in.

1tip, never cash the fuck out. Just trade and keep it in crypto

[Anonymous No.28134985]

>>28134577

Oh yeah, should you liquidate your BV you pay 0 tax on the dividends you get from the liquidation reserve. So, say your BV has 10 million in a liquidation reserve after a decade of trading , you can close up shop and take the lot

[Anonymous No.28135020]

>>28134809
er is geen winstbelasting op meerwaarde van aandelen. alleen een aankoop en verkoop tax.

[Anonymous No.28135077]

>>28134917

I forgot to mention you pay 10 percent when you put money in the reserve. 5 percent when you pay dividends after 5 years. Still better than 30 percent RV on normal dividends

[Anonymous No.28135104]

Guys sorry if this has been asked before but what about crypto you hold on blockfi or celsius that pays out weekly APY in said crypto. How the fuck do you file that after a year (if you file it at all)?

[Anonymous No.28135130]

>>28134985
thanks bro. not gonna move to portugal, slovenia or dubai in that case. kek

[Anonymous No.28135295]

>>28135077
thats fine. im ok with paying taxes but not fucking 33pct. Also can you keep bitcoin in that reserve? how would it then be looked at, say i want to bring property in the BV. i don't want to hold euros ever cause i know it gets inflated to shit, how would that work?

[Anonymous No.28135383]

>>28135295
for now i'll just not ever take profit. simple. bitcoin is growing to millions over thecourse of the next decade anyway.

[Anonymous No.28135486]

>>28135104
dont file it or file it as "dividents and interests" like in the stock market, once its above 800 euros / year you need to pay some tax on it. i guess.

[Anonymous No.28135670]

>>28135486
then again dividends and interest only count if it is euros. if you get bitcoin, or other crypto as interest it doesn't count. only euros can be taxed in belgiumerino. you have no euros, you pay no tax.


so if you buy a very expensive artwork of picasso for 2000 bitcoins at the end of the bullrun... well you don't pay any tax. cuz you didn't realize any profit.

[Anonymous No.28135802]

>>28135295

The only thing you can put into the liquidation reserve is money. Not bitcoins or stocks. This is the catch. You have to put away a part of your trading profits every year. You cant reinvest that money into new stock or bitcoin. So say you have 80k profit in a year. I'd put away 25k into a reserve and use the other 55k to continue trading operations.

If you want to bring property into the BV, your BV would have to buy that property from a natural person, ie you. But beware, if you go tits up, the property is no longer yours, its the BVs. That means the bank will sell your house in case of bankruptcy.

[Anonymous No.28135872]

>>28103987

Need to pay your taxes to the child rapist mafia that runs the country.

[Anonymous No.28135898]

>>28135670
That's what I was thinking too but goddamn that sounds too good to be true.

[Anonymous No.28135908]

>>28120423
im german and i understand almost every word of your language. when will you belgians and dutchies stop pretending youre reak countries?

[Anonymous No.28136476]

>>28118764
>there's 0 proof of anyone ever getting this ruling
Yea because the good housefathers don't file it and that's that.

[Anonymous No.28137045]

Sorry this isn't Belgium-specific. I'm a UKer. I was thinking about this today though.

Is it possible to wash your crypto through gambling sites (e.g. safe betting) and declaring the gains as gambling income?

[Anonymous No.28137311]

>>28137045
kek. based.

[Anonymous No.28137368]

>>28104436
Dude we have 6 law figures, getting an accountant is an absolute must, pay a few hundred to avoid headaches and losses

[Anonymous No.28138178]

I'm Belgian myself and have been doing some research for the last couple of days. All I can find is the same old bullshit: "goede huisvader" (the person who made this up should unironically get shot, what a shitty word), and then the 33% tax and also one up to 50% if it's your main source of income. I'm part of that last group and there's just no way I'll be giving half of my profit to vadertje staat so a bunch of lazy niggers get it without doing anything for. My goal is to hit 7 digits on my portfolio and cash out. So if I want an actual million euro's, I need to have 2m basically so half of that goes to sandniggers and muslims. It's just not happening.
I was thinking of just siphoning a monthly amount from my hardware wallet to an exchange, and then convert it to my bank. They could basically back track it to my hardware wallet and see how much money I really have, but this is Belgium... There's no other country with such incompetence out there. Do you guys think this will work? And with a monthly amount I was thinking like 3 to 4k euro's. It's not much but enough to live comfy. Maybe even less than that. Will they still tax me at the end of the year?
God I fucking hate this country so much...

[Anonymous No.28138883]

Convert to monero on another exchange which doesn't report to the fiscus, then send to another exchange and convert it to stablecoins to use on a crypto.com card or other crypto card

[Anonymous No.28139109]

If you had a dozen or so close and trustworthy family and/or friends, would it not be possible for them to set up exchange accounts and for you to send an amount just shy of the capital gains tax threshold to each for withdrawal in exchange for a small fee paid to each?

[Anonymous No.28139318]

>>28134577
You can open some offshore company with no capital gain, whitholding and exit tax and do it from there
It’s hard to open bank accounts but you can easily open a Binance institutional account and use crypto only
Once it’s time to cashout just move residency

[Anonymous No.28139580]

>>28133536
The thing I don't understand is... what's in it for them? I mean, on a personal level. Do tax enforcers earn a commission or something? What makes them so eager to take other people's money for the state? I suppose it's possible that they can staff the entire administration with psychopaths who want to inflict suffering but I'm thinking there must be something more to it.

[Anonymous No.28139839]

>>28138178
ive been depositing like 1k-2k whenever i run out of fiat to pay bills

its probably better than cashing out big amounts

[Anonymous No.28140077]

>>28139580
The clerks get targets from their superiors. It was literally on the news, look it up. I think every clerk has to rip off at least 250k a year, else they're out. It's a culture which only allows for the most inbred, nigger-loving, assholes that walk around in this country to work there.

[Anonymous No.28140097]

>>28107611

idk how it works in belgium but here in the US the IRS is actually kind of fairly lenient if you voluntarily admit to it. you get a lawyer, work out a deal with them and usually they let you work out a fair payment plan for those taxes that you didn’t pay.

[Anonymous No.28140295]

>>28103987
what a fucking shithole of a country
you belong in eastern europe, can't believe I was forced to study in brussels for 1 year
Fuck Belgium

[Anonymous No.28140543]

>>28140097
You missed the part where I said I already fucking paid them, but in the year following the year I was supposed to pay them. It's not correct, but they can't accuse me of fraud because I fucking paid the tax.
The max amount of years they can go back to change your tax return is 3 years, and since my profits were gained in 2017, I don't think they can go back and change my tax return. They can go back 5 years if there's indications of fraud. But I didn't fucking fraud since I paid the tax. Or would paying the tax in the wrong year be constituted as fraud? Fuck em.

[Anonymous No.28140732]

>>28139580

Het zijn ambtenaren... Nice, guaranteed pay. Nice pension. But I can tell you from personal experience, most them are really sour people. Not a grain of fun in them. Really serious, really vindictive too. This country is a financial disaster. Before corona we were 12 billion in the red. Meanwhile, in the Netherlands, they have a surplus of money each year they don't even know what to do with. The welfare state has grown so big they really REALLY need every last fucking cent. And how do you do this? You hire the most dreary, vindictive cunts you can find. Its a perpetual culture of squeezing you for everything you have. I've had taxmen come over and go over every single restaurant bill a client had, and start throwing out those that mentioned kids meals... I've seen a taxman go through a client's books for three whole days straight (and they do this at MY OFFICE), to come back and throw all kinds of small bills just so they can net 300 euros more in tax. 300 fucking euros. For what? The worst part is that our client actually loses more money, because the man hours spent on assisting a client in a tax control are like three times that of normal accounting services.