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27544522 No.27544522 [Reply] [Original]

Arent all cryptocurrencies just ponzi schemes? Like, their value is determined entirely on speculation. They dont offer any inherent value.

>> No.27544650

>>27544522
come on now anon anyone with a brain can figure out that many newfags are being baited into what you are describing. you're not supposed to say it though remember, you have to coordinate telegram pnd's.

>> No.27544651

Just like how gamestop was valued over 10 billion usd

>> No.27544653

Go back, faggot.

>> No.27544712

>>27544522
Yes

>> No.27544728

>>27544651
yeah and then it fucking crashed

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>>27544522 (You)
>Arent all fiat currencies just ponzi schemes? Like, their value is determined entirely on speculation. They dont offer any inherent value.

>> No.27544825

>>27544522
And the value of 1 US treasury note id determined by what exactly? Speculation. All value only exists in relation to other objects. You have a poor understanding of what a Ponzi scheme is and you should look at the differences between chainlink and Bitconnect.

If you don't see any differences you're a fucking retard.

>> No.27544901

>>27544522
are you there to make money or talk some bullshit about "muh value"? i will literally trade piss and poop if it will be listed on exchange, because it doesn't fucking matter if brings cash. and the trading is all about making cash. stop being an investor faggot and just trade it.

>> No.27544915

>>27544522
Fiat currency itself has no value. Its based on speculation too. You can say its backed up by gold and silver etc, but the value of gold and silver is based on speculation too. Nothing really has value, its just humans collectively speculating at something. Thats how civilization works.

>> No.27545007

>>27544522
so the value of a piece of paper is 100$? same thing, it has value because people agree that it has value

>> No.27545069

>>27544728
All stocks are like that, all stock's value is derived from the idea of selling it to someone who thinks he's going to sell it to someone, absolutely no real value.

>> No.27545102

>>27544915
>>27545007
Good points, but useless for nocoiner plebitors.

>> No.27545117

>>27545007
That at least has the backing of the US government

>> No.27545133

>>27544825
The difference between the two is that the dollar can be traded for goods and services, while dogecoin cannot.

>> No.27545194

>>27544522
Huh just like the US dollar

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>>27544522
>what is the only crypto currency that's actually used as a crypto currency

>> No.27545291

>Aren't all investments just ponzi schemes? Like, their value is determined entirely on speculation. They don't offer any inherent value.
Fixed it for you

>> No.27545300

>>27544522
that isnt how a ponzi scheme works

>> No.27545312

>>27544522
Except the ones that do. There are cryptos which are inextricably tied to the productive output of a given enterprise - e.g. XCM, QNT. Whether or not you think those enterprises will succeed is a different matter, but they certainly aren't a ponzi. Not all of crypto is Dogecoin.

>> No.27545394

>>27544915
>Nothing really has value
Expect land. Land has value.

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>>27545270
delete this NOW

>> No.27545460

All investments are ponzi schemes. Everyone who invests in an asset does so with the expectation that someone will come along in the future and pay them more for that asset than they paid for it.

>> No.27545468

How do I become a national currency with inherent valiue?

>> No.27545477

>>27545312
Dogecoin is just fine lmao keep babbling about nothing

>> No.27545484

>>27545394
I'm expecting land, when will i be receiving it?

>> No.27545489

>>27545133
there are places that accept crypto as payment and there will be more in the future
In the beginning of the internet there were also just a few websites available

>> No.27545600

>>27545460
Those investment at least bank on a tangible return from a company. Crypto banks on being able to trick suckers into buying your coin for more than what you bought it for.

>> No.27545651

>>27545133
well, that's technically not very true, because shit-coin is tied to a bitcoin, and for bitcoin today you can buy pretty much anything from real estate to cars, planes etc. of course, nobody gives a shit about dogecoin specifically, but technically it is traded against BTC so it has some value out of that. well, you get what i mean.

>> No.27545657

>>27545460
I buy crytpos with the intention to trade them for other assets, goods and services in the future. And no that does not include monopoly money printed by my government

>> No.27545711

>>27545468
https://www.stellarx.com/

I'm Buying Nigerian Naira with my Stellar.
cowrie.exchange

>> No.27545743

>>27544915
>Nothing really has value
Where's your food come from bugboi? Do you even know?

>> No.27545787

>>27545394
yep.

>> No.27545791

>>27544522
nope

>> No.27545819

>>27544728
just like the USD would crash if someone w a bigger army came along and said used tampons now buy u houses

no1 would want shitty usds anymore

economy is always about the collective agreement dumdum, whether it's enforced or voluntary

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>>27544522
yes they are. you're wasting your time buying them. Now leave us alone

>> No.27545921

>>27544915
anon, we got rid of the gold standard. our money is backed up by nothing now

>> No.27545925

>>27545600
It's not guaranteed to generate a return from company. If you were actually being serious, you'd know that company dividends and earnings are total memes and goes up and down all the time.

Yes, crypto functions correctly as an investment asset. What's the issue?

>> No.27545982

>>27544522
yeah just like stocks

>> No.27546097

>>27544522
Yes, now go back.

>> No.27546120 [DELETED] 

>>27544522
I think in the long run most are destined to fail. Especially the surge in "Decentalized Finance" platforms is concerning to me because they are reaching a level of complexity that the barrier to entry has risen to an all time high.

People will act smug and tell you to dyor, pretending like you as an investor are not owed a straightforward explanation, without any technical or economic jargon, of what you're putting your money into. In reality, the technobabble intentionally serves to obfuscate how these companies are ripping you off. Sure, there's plenty of people that have the fuck you money and the technical knowhow to take advantage and game the system, but most people who are investing into crypto get taken advantage of at least a few times.

I think the whole ethereum ecosystem will implode within a few years because as a digital currency, it simply has no use case when you now have to pay $40 or $90 or even thousands of dollars per transaction. Maybe in nerd world where you're a whale that got lucky and became a millionaire off crypto early in the game that's not such a big hit, but in the real world no one wants to pay that. Sure the people with deep pockets are making money now, but most of the money they make comes from smalltime crypto investors and normies who just FOMO'd in. As the gas fees remain high, less of those average people are going use ethereum and the end result will be these fags will be left pumping and dumping each other. Then the death blow will be when something better comes along and makes ethereum obsolete like the jewish scam it is.

>> No.27546149

>>27544522

Their value is that kikes don't own and manipulate the entire supply i.e. silver

>> No.27546187

>>27544788
OP in shambles

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>>27544522
Compared to what? Fiat money? You use fiat money because the law force you to use it. No one wants that worthless shit.
Also proof of stake crypto-s have inherent value like the shares of paypal.

>> No.27546240

>>27544915
Gold standard hasnt been around for a while. Only thing thats holding value to fiat are laws.

>> No.27546333

>>27544522
>Like, their value is determined entirely on speculation. They dont offer any inherent value.
And the stocks you own, the fiat own do?

>> No.27546354

>>27544522
Yes, jews own the most parts of these millenial '"coins'"

>> No.27546485

>>27544522
Yes, they are. They are get-rich-quick schemes that only benefit the already wealthy. Look at Bitconnect, DOGE, and XRP. You are always better off wageslaving and making real money that you can actually hold in your hand; unlike fake internet currencies.

>> No.27546569

>>27545600
>Crypto banks on being able to trick suckers into buying your coin for more than what you bought it for.
So buy projects that actually do something and create value. Have potential to do something to improve this world and face real adoption.
Not retarded scam shit like BAO and RBC.

>> No.27546589

>>27545069
A stock is partial ownership of a company. Get enough stock and you own the company. Why are there people on /biz/ who dont even know what a stock is?

>> No.27546706

>>27544522
That's what money is you fucking invalid.

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>>27544522
Nobody wants to admit it because it sounds like that should be bad, although in reality it isn't. All cryptos work somewhat like ponzis, though they are also different. Ponzis fail because hope of delivering promises collapses. All cryptos get money from new investors, but are different in that (unless a project outright fails) the hope remains and exists in the future when enough value flows into the system for it to sustain and make profitable an independent market of goods and services. It is partly pure selfish speculation and partly the promise of a future in Time that keeps the crypto market alive. And pic related is the only coin which understands and monetizes this Time aspect that is inherent in crypto ever becoming valuable for more than pure speculation.

>> No.27546869

Some cryptos are actually tied to usable services though. Like ETH being ubiquitous in the exchange of other cryptos and BTC being usable in place of fiat in some places.

Shitcoins are ponzis though. If you get in early and don't try to be a greedy fuck looking for a 100x you could make some money off of them. those gains are to the detriment of late buyers though.

>> No.27546896

>>27544522
Literally every asset in the world would fit that criteria. Circumstances are what gives every asset its value you retarded nigger.

>> No.27546930

>>27545477
Tbf, I should have said BTC. Dogecoin is the closest thing in crypto to actual use as a currency.

>> No.27547068

>>27546589
In theory yes, in practice no. In practice the amount that retail investors can buy is so absolutely miniscule as to basically just be shittier crypto that sometimes pays dividends.

GME is a good example. Literally hundreds of thousands of people frantically buying as much stock as they could over months and months, and yet still over half the company is still controlled by like 3 hedge funds and 2 billionaires.

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>>27545394
big true

>> No.27547356

>>27546869
>Like ETH being ubiquitous in the exchange of other cryptos and BTC being usable in place of fiat in some places.
These are both meme use cases when you don't blind yourself with the narrative that keeps your hope up. The former is used for launching and trading of speculative ponzis and the ladder is not worth mentioning due to how pathetic the actual adoption of it is. The only use case is speculation on price going up, by betting on various narratives that different cryptos provide, which is a speculative ponzi until gets big enough and, hence overcomes it being a ponzi.

>> No.27547407

>>27545477
reddit

>> No.27547456

>>27544522
I cant make it

>> No.27547583

>>27544522
The entire market as a concept is a ponzi scheme.

>dude i'll buy these stonks low and sell them to the next faggot for a higher price later!
>dude i'll buy this faggot's stonks and sell the deed to my house to a bank so i can buy a lot now and then buy my house back when i have more money later!

>> No.27547934

>>27546896
>Gold can be used in circuitry/jewelry
>Land can grow food
>Stocks are shares in a company that produces product/services
>Bonds are IOU from the government who pays you back by stealing from its people
What can bitcoin do? give it to someone else? What if no one wants it?
everyone just buys because "it gonna moon" then it sits and does nothing.

>> No.27548042

>>27547583
>stocks
shares in a company that produces goods/services
>house
place where you can rest your head
>bitcoin
give/receive and thats it, does nothing else

>> No.27548625

>>27548042
>give/receive and thats it, does nothing else
It's the main thing among other cryptos which provides hope for a future outside of fiat with a non-zero chance of success, which so far seems to be worth hundreds of billions.

>> No.27548838

>>27548042
you forgot
>bank

dont let the jews beat you at their own game

>> No.27548909

>>27544522
A store of value is a type of utility

>> No.27549094

>>27548625
I definitely think there are other cryptos that have a better fighting chance against fiat

>> No.27549172

>>27547934
>jewerly
what does jewerly do, exactly? is it art? it's more like kitsch tho? what is its use? to attract mates? to impress people? lol, what meaning does it have besides other people giving it meaning? imagine a culture with no jewelry. they wouldnt feel the need for jewelry and wouldnt fall for the jewelry meme. it would mean nothing to them. they would enjoy their poor lives.

>> No.27549411

>>27545443
Why are there no threads on this coin, seems like it has actual potential with good backing, there's even a god damn bounty on it being cracked, serves as a testament to how good it apparently is.

>> No.27549446

>>27544522
I need a friend

>> No.27549468

>>27544522
Money isn't real and doesn't offer any inherent value

>> No.27549485

>>27549172
I'd say it's art, like any fashion.

>> No.27549508

>>27544522
That's not what a ponzi scheme is

>> No.27549716

>>27546120
Now is there anyone working to reduce gas costs? There must be a better way then what we have now. If so could you buy into it knowing this is a major problem ETH will face?

>> No.27549822

>>27545069
what about dividends

>> No.27549881
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>>27544522
Lition is a real business and offers the cheapest green energy (electricity & gas) in Germany. This would not be possible without the underlying blockchain infrastructure.

>> No.27549899

>>27549411
There's a general thread almost every day. People talk about it constantly.

90% of the board is for pump and dumps because its /biz/ not /crypto/

If this board was actually about the technical details of crypto assets, it would just be people talking about Eth (and Eth-based coins/Eth-killers) and XMR all day.

>> No.27549976

>>27544522
Based

>> No.27550095

>>27546120
Yea I cant see it becoming as big as everyone makes it out to be

>> No.27550098

>>27545443
Is that Candleja-

>> No.27550221
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>>27547356
you obviously dont know what youre talking about

i can trade any coin on coinbase into USD then send it to my paypal and then to bank and have that posted WITHIN MINUTES not DAYS like regular fiat.
I actually used some spare BTC profits to open my first Fidelity account and dump a ton of FUCK YOU money into it THE SAME DAY so fuck off BOOMER you are clueless the the emerging world around you.

>> No.27550236

>>27544522
You mean like the dollar which is literally just a piece of paper with a number written on it?

>> No.27550243

>>27544915
labor theory of value

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>>27549881

>> No.27550388

The value of anything is in the trust that the asset is hard to fake and is trusted and desired by others. Its the reason they keep updating the designs of fiat bills. If they were easily forged, nobody would trust then.

Also, right now crypto as a whole is in its early stages. We're basically in the stage where the car has been invented but the agreed optimal design and roads have yet to be invented. Even with cars, that too decades to happen. Hell, it took years just to figure out that the best way to steet was with a wheel you held with both hands rather than some kind of odd lever thingy.

>> No.27550574

>>27550221
Try to send a bank wire. Most branches require that you come in, have the bank manager send it for you, wait 15 mins to leave, get hit with a $30 fee from your bank for the privilege of sending your money, and then wait days for it to clear in the recipient’s account.
People look at this and STILL think that crypto doesn’t have a place in society. It’s mind-blowing.

>> No.27551586

>>27550243
yeah let's hear what a Jew has to say about value, this definitely will end well

>> No.27551629

>>27550574
dont get me started on wires. thats why i resorted to converting some cryto into liquid assets. i ended up paying %1 in fees and i didnt need anything but my phone.

>> No.27551702

All erc20 shitcoins, yes. But proof of work coins are note. Note how the biggest coins are proof of work algo.

>> No.27551815

>>27547068
This just considers the top of all stocks. The entire point of silicon valley is buying up huge amounts of shares in tiny startups that are cheap and winning big if they make it. You can own startups with 50k.

>> No.27551984

>>27550574
none of that is technologically necessary. if crypto had more than 0.001% penetration - if regular people actually gave a shit about wiring money around - the banks would simply make it easier and undercut another crypto use case

>> No.27552049

>>27544522
Speculation is what gives anything value.

>> No.27552126

>>27545270
Defi stupid.

it's literally designed to function like a bank. Why else do you think uniswap, aave, compound, and yfi mooned in less than a year?

>> No.27552153

Buy XRP

>> No.27552299

>>27550574
If Bitcoin reaches $135k, a Bitcoin transaction will cost $30

>> No.27552350

>>27545133
there is no network that can handle the daily transaction load of normal daily txs. stuff like radix promises to fix this. now if they actually do is a whole other story. basically it will be some shitcoin that operates on radix network for daily buys then stuff like ethereum and bitcoin for huge sales. btc/eth will level off in the future.

>> No.27552997

>>27552299
That’s not how it works.

>> No.27553112
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>>27544522
wow she is very pretty

>> No.27553358

>>27553112
alright Rajesh back to the rubic thread with you

>> No.27553472

>>27544522
moshi moshi anon kun

>> No.27553482

>>27544522
many are, some aren't.
A little research goes a long way.
spotted quite a few scams just by learning what some red flags are.

>> No.27553572

>>27544522
SHow bobs and vegene

>> No.27553610

>>27552350
Hive has 0 fee transactions and 3 second block times with the network using account resource credits based on stake weight. There's many coins like this, but newfags ignore them because they aren't erc20 trash pnds

>> No.27553646

>>27545394
Land has objective utility. The ability to make use of land is subjective, and there fore its value is subjective, IE value is based on arbitrary human perception.
Nothing has intrinsic value.

>> No.27553693

>>27551984
>a more efficient and less prone to fraud form of money will never take off
You’re literally retarded

>> No.27553768

>>27544522

All markets are like Ponzi schemes, new investors = new money, we all get had and we all get a little wiser. Capitalism transfers wealth from the uninformed to the informed as intended.

>> No.27553875

>>27553646

Scarcity *is* intrinsic value.

>> No.27553956

>>27552126
Because it's a tracking mechanism for the globalist banking alliance governmental control apparatuses.
Even bitcoin.

>> No.27554016

>>27544788
you have to play tax as well as buy goods and services with that currency. its mandated by law

>> No.27554081

>>27553693
on what planet is crypto more efficient than fiat
i don't have to pay a transaction fee or wait an hour to buy stuff with cash

>> No.27554111

>>27544788
why would you need 1000 fiat coins?
the trend is to have 1 global currency
the YUAN

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>>27544788

>> No.27554173

>>27544522
duh?

>> No.27554276

>>27551984
what about Paypal selling BTC you fucking idiot

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>>27544788
>/biz/'s IQ this low

I can pay my country's taxes with my country's fiat. Is Dave and Buster's powercard a ponzi, wagie?

>> No.27554443

>>27544788
I can pay my taxes in dollars you moron

>> No.27554512

>>27554276
Paypal uses BTC as an intermittent staging process for USD where they skim a little off the top when they sell you higher for what they buy in that very instance. They're selling you nothing, they're just making a transaction on your behalf.

>> No.27554583

>>27544522
1) That's not what a ponzi scheme is
2) Cryptocurrencies have use value, generally more than fiat currency. But they are very volatile and not really currencies. Stablecoins have their own issues, too. Once a crypto hits the point where it only is as volatile as much as e.g. USD has tended to be, then it will be more likely to be used by normal people for transactions.

There are plenty of cryptocurrencies which do new and different things. And they will only become more and more popular as the internet continues to be integrated with everything, and as trust in institutions is lost. They facilitate quick exchanges between regular people, even across the globe, and they also allow people to easily trade other assets. They are cool, and good, and most aren't ponzi schemes, though DOGE kind of has had that flavor.

A ponzi scheme has a very specific meaning that does not apply here--it is when someone promises a large return to investors, and gives them that return by using profits from later investors. In this way they can give insanely high interest rates because they are getting like 100% of the previous person's investment from the new person. Then they pay that person with the investment from a new person. When there's no people left, that's when things get fucked up

>> No.27554663

>>27554081
retard see

>>27550221

>> No.27554681

>>27545460
No retard, you're supposed to buy shares for the dividends not the capital growth, just the normy advice of buy index's have massively inflated their value

>> No.27554821

>>27554512
so if i send that BTC to another wallet it turns into nothing then???

no, no it doesnt. i can move that crypto to ANY exchange and convert it to USD or any currency i want. its obavious youve never even used coinbase before. and thats the most normie crypto exchange out there

>> No.27554870

>>27554512
doesnt change what I meant. functionally, its a global bank that make easier to buy crypto for normies

>> No.27554957

>>27544522
Yes. Now leave this place forever.

>> No.27554968

>>27554583
Why do people own crypto? That is the answer to the ponzi question. While a tiny % of people might believe in the technology the overwhelming majority are simply hoping that more people will buy so they can make a profit.

>> No.27554989

>>27554583
Digital fiat is the answer. China's already doing that and yet you all poo poo when people chinkwank.

BTC, ETH, etc are all laughable memes though. A decentralized currency might happen in the aftermath of some global nuclear war but even then it will be issued by the new World Government.

>> No.27555033

>>27544522
The stock market and social security are also ponzi schemes.

>> No.27555104

>>27554821
What are you talking about idiot, how do you even come to that conclusion from what I said? Paypal is a go between to sell you meme money for more then they payed.

>> No.27555247

>>27554870
Idk enjoy it before it becomes big enough for governments to feel like crushing I guess.

>> No.27555297

>>27554968
this thread is full of fucking retards. try moving 15k+ to any european country, crypto nearly has zero fees compared to bank fees. and it literally takes seconds in some novel alts like DOT

>> No.27555352

>>27554989
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>> No.27555354

>>27555033
American stock market sure. Stock markets, nah.

>> No.27555427

Literally all monetary value is speculative

>> No.27555443

>>27555247
unless it crush the centralized governmental structure first. learn your history mate central government is nothing in long term basis.

>> No.27555445

>>27555297
That's why its used by terrorists and that's why its a lost cause and will be terminated as soon as they link it to the Qtards.

>> No.27555543

>>27555352
How does it feel being on the wrong side of history? I am an American and fully embrace our Chinese overlords. You'll cry in 15 years when their killbots trace this post to you.

>> No.27555590

>>27554663
is this a joke post?
crypto is better because i can send fiat from coinbase to paypal to my bank?
why not make the system even better by cutting out the crypto entirely?

>> No.27555668

>>27555445
the thing that you dont understand about technology in general is that you can not undo a fucking idea. try closing up the internet bcz terrorist use it or governments dont like.

>> No.27555746

>>27555443
Literally how would that be possible? You'd have to have a government with no power but a thriving economy and buisness environment.
...while they print money and shit.

its impossible
BTC is a doomer asset for a future that is virtually impossible to ever come to fruition. Buy sheep and cows instead of BTC. How could the economy be so fine that businesses can continue to transact but also inflation be so much money has no value?

>> No.27555823

Isn't the US dollar a giant ponzi scheme?

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>>27555668
What idea? You can just say merchants are not allowed to accept it for transactions and its done. You can't deposit or use money to buy it on threat of jail time.
Yeah but its totally like that time we tried to ban the internet... wait...

>> No.27556115

cryptards sound like gme bagholders did last wednesday

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>>27555445
>>27555543
>>27555746
>>27555962

Like it or not its the future. Get in now or get left behind.

>> No.27557139

>>27544522
There are a lot of people with this opinion. Luckily, there are also a lot of people who DO see inherent value in a network like BTC and that group is now seemingly large enough to sustain the network and keep the value going up over time so its not really worth trying to convince you of this. Just do your research and buy or not.

You can keep holding your depreciating fiat though and keep licking the boot of the government because we all know thats what you prefer to do anyways.

>> No.27557672

>>27544522
Cj

>> No.27557746

>>27555823
Nah it's backed by other countries forcibly selling oil in USD

>> No.27558776

>>27544522
Crypto currency is fuel to write on a global digital database /state machine.

>> No.27558882

Fiat rots and literally guaranteed to lose value.
It's that or ponzi. I just explained all of investing.

>> No.27558978

>>27544522
that's a cute man

>> No.27559141

>>27547356
>the ladder
/biz/ in a nutshell, some dumbass NEET community college grad pretending to have deep understanding of the crypto markets

>> No.27559528

>>27544522
The margin of cost to produce crypto has shown to map well to its price.

>> No.27559632

>>27544522
Quite literally EVERYTHING is a ponzi.