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>> No.27517152

>>27516936
In the long run, a short squeeze only works on a company that has value. The reason this is the current plaything is because the company has no real value.

(that is assuming that owning a business which uses expensive storefronts to sell what people can buy online from their home is a bad idea)

>> No.27517306
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>>27517152
But the STORE EXCLUSIVE FUNKO POPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>> No.27517394

>>27517152
GME doesn't have intrinsic value, but it did accumulate a LOT of interest from retailers. That's the thing: will it be enough to trigger any sort of squeeze? Perhaps it ends up being just a slow crawl to 400 again, or 300.

>> No.27517564

>>27516936
>last week's volume several times the total number of shares outstanding
>still thinking shorts couldn't possibly have covered

>> No.27517612

the only thing that's going to squeeze is gme holder's assholes when they get a forced prostate orgasm from wallstreet

>> No.27517701
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This is the only "short squeeze" you're gonna get OP.

>> No.27517763

>>27517394
No, because the fuel for the spike in price is mostly covered, or will be at the next earnings call when $GME prints more stocks to finish off the rest of the shorts and make bank off of this.

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Imagine not having traded in your GME for physical silver.

>> No.27517790

>>27517701
Oh, shit :(

>> No.27517913

>>27516936
Lmao so much fucking cope in one picture. You retards really didn't sell last week and now going to lose all your tendies

>> No.27517969

>>27516936
I am so glad the jews won!!! LMAO get fucked redditors and /biz/ retards, LMAO

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
For a second there, i was almost sad i was missing out when i sold for 380 and saw it go to 400, boy oh boy i made the right move for sure.
I laughing all the way to the bank, went to the toyota dealership yesterday and ordered a supra with my gains, its gonna be red.

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>>27517152
Thats literally not how that works. Hedgies owed over 100% shorts, and they have to pay it back. They also owe interest on those shorts. When They pay it back is when the price skyrockets. Theyre ability to short ends tommorrow. You better have my money Melvin.

>> No.27518018

>>27517394
I don't think interest from retail matters. They can pump it up with hopes of it being the next apple, but the company is still losing $4.22 per share.

First time earnings comes out and people realize that pumping a stock doesn't change the P&L, things will get fucked up fast.

>> No.27518062

Most people will avoid this stock like its aids. These redditors have lost their buying power and the hype is now dead.

GameStop is still a worthless company on the brink of bankrupcy so, no real investor would ever dare to put money on this trash

You guys need to put down your gambling addiction and seek help.

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STILL.NOT.SELLING

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>>27517152
>In the long run, a short squeeze only works on a company that has value.
Really?

>> No.27518376

>>27517969
Based. You pulled the rug on the scammers.

>> No.27518560

>>27517152
A short squeeze only works if someone has the capital power to buy up all the shares like Porsche did to Volkswagen so the short sellers cant buy and cover then hold until it moons. Nobody had that power except gamestop to buy all their own shares

>> No.27518720

>>27518560
So Porsche owns VW and VW owns Porsche?
Congrats Hans, you outkiked the kike

>> No.27518728

TEST THE MARKET
GET IN ON THIS

>>27517501

>> No.27518790

>>27516936
triple digits literally never again

>> No.27518813

>>27516936
That's because it'll never happen. WITH JEWS YOU LOSE

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>>27516936

Yes it has

Reddit is already moving to CLF

>> No.27518932

>>27518728
nice trick. Bagholder tries to start FOMO in order to get out from under their trade.

The problem is... a vast majority of the reddit revolutionaries no longer have any more cash.

>> No.27519029

>>27516936
chance for a squeeze is much higher with AMC

>> No.27519192

They already covered their shorts. If you're holding right now, you're a retard.

>> No.27519363

>>27516936
Okay buddy no one gives a shit about ur reddit stock though so fuck off poorfag

>> No.27519396

>>27516936
This is just like in Lord of the Rings in the battle of Helms Deep before Gandalf comes

>> No.27519880

>>27519192
Proof

>> No.27520346

>MUH SQUOZE
It already happened you imbecile

>> No.27520614

Why would the short squeeze happen while price is still rapidly falling. It would be better for short sellers to wait until price hits $20 per share or lower still.

>> No.27520726

>>27519396
Then who is Gandalf in this context?

>> No.27521078

>>27519192
No they haven't

>> No.27521240

>>27520726
Elon Musk, he is gonna buy GME

>> No.27521299

>>27517152
The factors you mention are not dependent on or a prerequisite for a short squeeze.

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>>27516936
SHUT THE FUCK UP FAGGOT THIS SHIT FUCKING RUINED ME

>> No.27521690

>>27517152
Why are you interning at a hedge fund when you don't even know what a short squeeze is?

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>>27518927

Oh shit $CLF

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>>27517152

>> No.27521917

>>27516936
This board is invested with paid shills trying to damage control, of course it hasn't happened. when they have to rebuy it will spike to high heavens

>> No.27522057

>>27517979
nice 100iq take. Cept they dont have to buy your shares. Just because they were over leveraged, doesnt mean they cant get out the exact same way.

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>>27516936
GAMMMAAAAA SQUEEEEEZEEEE IMMINENT

>> No.27522420

>>27521870
I was trading during the last crash, when the market could move 1000 points in 10 minutes. This isn't anything new; and you learn to recognize it after a few times.

>>27521690
Hype only takes you so far. Reality will always win in the end.

>> No.27522461

>>27517612
Kek

>> No.27522613

>>27522420
Okay, how do you not know what a basic term is though?

>> No.27523054

>>27522613
I know what a short sneeze is; you simply misunderstood what I said.

You're looking at things on the trading level, I'm looking at things on the broader level, which includes not only the mentality of a floor boss but the interactions of banks and debt.

Your argument appears to be that this will moon because they hype alone will drive the price up, which will BK the shorts; which will keep the price higher, which keeps everyone happy.

I'm saying that if you're a trading monkey at some company, you might not be able to talk your boss into letting you ride a losing short on Apple for another week, but with Gamestock (which is already on its way to going broke), a short is far less of a risk.

Your concept of a squeeze also implies an unlimited money supply on the side of the pumpers. But in this case, the shorts have far more money than the pumpers, which means they can do a round about; making money on their short while taking all of the new long money too.

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>>27516936
Citadel transferred the "Financial bomb" out of the stock market and into the silver derivatives market by selling off their SLV position to cover the shorts. JPM has the football now. We can't control who holds the bomb, we're just trying to detonate it.

#FollowTheBomb

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>>27516936
>>27523622

>> No.27523877

>>27516936
why exactly would brokers recall the shares when the price is almost back to normal

>> No.27524028

>>27523622
Before anyone tries to get into a silver play, they should read "silverfinger", a 1980 article from Harry Hurt. You can find it here:

http://www.infiniteunknown.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/SILVERFINGER-By-Harry-Hurt-III-September-Issue-1980-Playboy.pdf

The short version... silver and gold have a special significance in the economy. Both wall street and the federal government have proven time and time again over history that they will destroy anyone who attempts to fuck with stores of wealth. That's why there's usually 30-50 years between people trying.

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>>27517152
Some guy wakes up after 6 years of inactivity on reddit and starts doing this math. Also Screenshot made 1 minute after posting.

>> No.27524666

>>27524028
The government will have to actively persue more than half the country, news agencies, and social media sites. Cat's out of the bag and there are many many more people paying attention this time around thanks to the internet.

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>>27516936
>+1000%
>just a speculative bubble

>> No.27524911

>>27524239
If you can handle technical, read "Options Trading: The hidden reality" by Charles Cottle.

The most important take-away is understanding that there no longer needs to be an actual counterparty to a trade.

So, whether you are buying or selling, and no matter what the price does, your broker /market maker already locked in their no-risk profit at the time of your purchase/sale.

(this is, in fact, how they can stay in business while also being required to act as the buyer/seller of last resort).

So from that standpoint, you don't "harm" wall street by trading in either direction; or by the stock even moving in either direction. In fact, they win as long as you keep trading.

(see conversion/reversal: at the time you buy/sell, they execute a simultaneous options transaction which puts them in a lock. They are not required to take a position on demand)

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>>27524666
Oh shi-

>> No.27525126

>>27524666
Not at all. In case of the Hunt Brothers (the subject of the article and the 1979 silver panic), the government simply crushed them by opening the silver supply.

So if the price goes too low, treasury will stop selling silver eagles. If it goes too high, they'll flood the market.

Same thing happened when Gould(?) tried to corner the gold market in the late 1800's

>> No.27525253

>>27517152
It wont happen as long as hedgies can print infinite amount of shares.

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>>27525126
>Hunt brothers
1 entity
>Gould
1 entity

There are many entities involved this time. Cat's out of the bag, anon.

>> No.27525910

>>27516936
>Mongs
This isn't reddit. We say kike and nigger here, fuckin jew faggot mouth gaper

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>>27524239
Lmao jew shill wants to fuck his dick up even morr

>> No.27526334

>>27523622
holy shit you bunch really are unsophisticated

>> No.27526427

>>27517152
You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. The actual value of a company and the stock value of a company have nothing to do with each other, never have, never will. Literally at all. The value of the company is literally irrelevant in this situation, all these stocks could be shares in a rotten cheese sandwich, or amazon, and nothing would change at all

>> No.27526578

>>27526334
>gAYZPunZ
>1 post by this ID
You gonna put up some numbers or a link or are you just here to shitpost?

>> No.27526703

>>27524911
This is basically the gist of Anton Kreil's presentations right?

>> No.27526727

>>27526427
This isn't crypto. This is where the grown-ups play

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>>27517152
>real value

>> No.27527012

>>27517969
>supra
ngmi

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>>27518927
nice, I was holding CLF anyways

>> No.27527172

>>27526703
Not sure. But it's simply a way of working the math behind put/call backwards to synthetically create a position which offsets the position they (the market makers) are forced to take by the choices of their clients.

So if...
U = underlying
C = call
P = put
+ = long
- = short

then...

+U = +C -P
-U = +C -P
+C = +U +P
-C = -U -P
+P = -C +U
-P = -C +U


So, when someone buys 100 shares, they simply create the corresponding synthetic; which allows them to service their client without having to assume any of the risks.

It happens automatically these days.

>> No.27527273

>>27516936
>melvin realized a loss and we won the fight against HEDGIES!!!!
>also they haven't closed their position yet

>> No.27527342

>>27518062
Why are you so desperate or care what others do with their milk money? Glow harder.

>> No.27527443

>Stonks? Hedl
>Dip? Bought
>Hands? Diamond
>Squeeze? Unsquoze
>Hedgies? Fucked
>Shills? Ignored
>Market? Crashing
>Finances? Secured

STILL.
NOT.
SELLING.

>> No.27527565

>>27523054
i recognize your reddit spacing from a different thread. the underlying company is irrelevant in a short squeeze. VW was the largest company on earth by marketcap the day that its stock squeezed.

>> No.27527625

>>27527172

should have read:
-U = -C +P

>> No.27527636

>>27517913
It's not cope, the guy is one of the only people actually accurately explaining what's going on. The short squeeze just turned into an insane bubble because of all the retards piling on. That doesn't mean anything good is "yet to come".

>is the squeeze ever going to be squoze? possibly. short interest is still high, but it'll take some sort of catalyst: without one, at this point it's more likely short repurchasing continues as a gradual upward pressure, rather than a sudden mass event that causes the price to explode.

>> No.27527664

>>27521240
if elon ends up saving this, my next car will be a tesla.

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>>27516936

>> No.27527810

ITS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY ITS ABOUT SENDING A MESSAGE

>> No.27527869

>>27516936
And it never will happen. Even if it's allowed to happen, other hedge funds will have long positions and front run WSB. They will begin to dump milliseconds before WSB tries to and the left hand will ensure the lowest cover price for the right.

>> No.27527967

>>27524911
true, but, they are only allowed to front so many trades worth of dollars before they have hit the limits of the law, and at the end of the day they still settle through the clearing corporations. in that sense there does have to be an actual counterparty, they just don't have to be available that specific day; the following day the laws still apply and they just sit on their hands and don't do any business until they have the capital. generally that actually creates room for more liquidity than would be otherwise possible, and isn't some kind of scam even if it is essentially, in the end, a psychological trick on the traders themselves to assume order fulfillment will always be sped along just because it always has been.

>> No.27528025

>>27521777
Based trips

>> No.27528096

>>27527565
The underlying company may be irrelevant in the short term (I'm not arguing that), but given enough of a war chest, you can stretch it for three months (or, until the next earnings, which is what matters).

In the end, it comes down to who has the most money to fight with. on the long side, you have a lot of retail investors who have already invested what they can; and the professionals who started this whole pump who know when to get out.

On the short side you have people who know this is a blip. They know that they can simply ride it out.

Now, you may ruin individual funds who stuck their neck out, but even that's going to be a stretch if the people running the fund ran their math the right way.

Even though this story probably ends on Friday afternoon, if it's a long fight it goes to the people who have the most money, which are the professionals.

>> No.27528586

>>27527967
True, and that touches on something I was going to get into but didn't. I would have touched on a few points, the highlights...

1. How the same shares can be shorted multiple times as they pass from hand to hand; and how the clearing house process can easily unwind these multiple levels.

2. How the problems at Robinhood are related to their playing slightly fast with the rules; and how (now that they're famous), they're in such a rush to get their ducks in a row.

3. How the 3 day clearing process hurts the smaller investor who doesn't have the cash to burn, but helps the bigger houses who deal in billions on a daily basis

4. How, even at 90, this stock has produced all of it's easiest profit; which will encourage the professionals to move on to something else, leaving the retail bagholders drowning in their tears.

>> No.27528959

>>27518062
actually it's even worse than that. we're still in a bubble, and as you can see even from this thread, nobody even understands that the business operation itself is where its equity derives value. virtually everyone is momentum trading based on hallucinations. so that establishes that they'll keep buying even when it falls to $5.
and fall to about $5 it will. GME Is not yet bankrupt, they are restructuring their entire operation, and going forward they will be selling fucking xbox live subscriptions on behalf of microsoft, and playstation as well, in-store. they'll be having pimply store employees do high-pressure sales on little kids and their parents in order to gain a 10% cut of that subscription revenue over 2-3 years. so they'll actually enhance their revenue somewhat, while also closing many stores.
if they don't need bankruptcy court to do this, and they go straight back to their 2018 figure of 0.34 EPS, they will literally be worth $5/share at a 15 multiple.
if it went bankrupt and the bagholders got wiped out and then issued new equity, they might actually learn something. but at $5/share for the next 20 years, they won't learn a fucking thing.

>> No.27529152

>>27520614
it's falling because there are new short positions in above $300 and these shorts are placing limit buy orders way the fuck down near $100. every single retard nigger faggot "buying the dip" is more than likely simply closing a short at a massive profit for a hedge fund.

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>>27528959

>> No.27529327

>>27523054
the retard army also has maybe 500k shares and "isn't selling." well the top six hedge funds in the US already had 8-12m shares combined. they've begun selling them.

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>>27529240
this image honors me greatly.

>> No.27529683

>>27518927
no theyre not tranny

>> No.27530124

>>27520726

Mark Cuban.

>> No.27530735

>>27526427
But the value of the company is literally the combined share value..

>> No.27531084

>>27529327
>>27529240
You two seem high IQ. I have 5000 dollars to my name. How do i finish 2021 with 15000 to my name earning the 10000 solely trough investing?

>> No.27531322

>>27521520
Stop posting some retarded rich person's loss porn pretending it's yours for (you)s

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>>27529240
Diogenes would never use a computer