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[Anonymous No.25830683]

Reminder that under communism you wouldn't need to play online casino to have your guaranteed housing and healthcare.

[Anonymous No.25830714]

Then why are so many people from communistic nations fleeing them?

[Anonymous No.25830737]

I don't want to have guaranteed anything

[Anonymous No.25830762]

>>25830683
then why would i want to continue working at all? fuck everyone else time to pay up

[Anonymous No.25830785]

>>25830683
>guaranteed housing and healthcare
What if I'm not happy with the guaranteed housing and healthcare?

[Anonymous No.25830793]

Everytime communism was tried, it failed. Often with millions of people dying in the process.

[Anonymous No.25830845]

>guaranteed house and healthcare
>it comes with mandatory lifetime slave job at the factory

[Anonymous No.25830857]

>>25830793
Wrong, Communism has saved around 400-800 million lives through its speeding up of industrial development in China and Russia. Capitalism, on the other hand, has a death toll of at least 4-5 billion this century alone

[Anonymous No.25830870]

>>25830683
You would have guaranteed housing and healthcare in a social democracy. Under communism every day would be a gamble not to starve to death or get disappeared by the thought police.

[Anonymous No.25830891]

>>25830785
Wierdo

[Anonymous No.25830902]

>>25830845
>OH NO BRO NOT A JOB WOAH NO OTHER SYSTEM FORCES ME TO WORK

[Anonymous No.25830916]

When robots/AI have perfected production, communism is the only thing that makes sense. If no humans are working anymore and robots harvest the food/make technology, then humans could just click a button to get free food/tech (within limits, so nobody orders too much or hoards). How the heck would capitalism work in a society where every human is NEET?

[Anonymous No.25830934]

>>25830714
US quarantines them. They get cut off from global trade. Shit ensues. Won't be a problem anymore after the US falls.

>>25830737
Enjoy dying of treatable diseases then, lol.

>>25830762
Because you want to eat, own nice stuff? Just because the absolute minimum of human dignity is guaranteed it doesn't mean all your needs are taken care of.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI01-5zhwdA

>>25830785
People under communist rule could get better housing if they were exceptional workers, had more kids then the rest, etc. As for healthcare: the USSR and p. much all the eastern bloc provided excellent level of healthcare for everyone and after the fall of socialism millions died due to the system crashing, so.

[Anonymous No.25830937]

>>25830857
>Le commumemism has actually saved lives
Fuck off vaush, consider suicide

[Anonymous No.25830967]

>>25830683
Reminder that under communism you would starve to death or get shot for talking about people starving to death.

[Anonymous No.25831009]

>>25830857
Arguing with other people is easy when you can just invent your own facts and do no research.

[Anonymous No.25831017]

>>25830937
Vaush is an anti-communist you fuckin retard. He shills for liberal capitalism just like most retards on this site.

[Anonymous No.25831019]

>>25830916
>no humans are working anymore and robots harvest the food/make technology
Communist fairy tales for $500.

[Anonymous No.25831041]

>>25830793
Why is it that the death toll of communism is always racked up, but no one counts all the people that die from lack of healthcare in America, for example? We're at 400k from corona alone this year.

[Anonymous No.25831053]

>>25830683
yeah because I'd be busy trying to not starve, yo fucking moron

[Anonymous No.25831090]

>>25830967
Wrong, Under Chinese socialism 800m people have been lifted out of poverty. Further to this is has managed to double the size of its economy every 6-8 years since the revolution. Its been the most efficient creator of wealth and eliminator of poverty in all world history.

[Anonymous No.25831092]

3rd world fag here, I want to leave my communist country, you don't want to experience this.

[Anonymous No.25831096]

>>25830870
>You would have guaranteed housing and healthcare in a social democracy.
Except the Scandinavian model is being eroded exactly because the profitability crisis of capitalism can't sustain social services anymore. The whole succdem shit started because of fear of Western countries following the revolutionary wave, anyway. After the fall of the USSR the threat was removed hence no more need for providing people with reasonable quality of life.

>Under communism every day would be a gamble not to starve to death
Moron: https://foreignpolicyblogs.com/2009/11/03/better-red-than-unfed-a-survey-of-post-communism/

>>25830937
In what meaningful way is Vaush a communist, lmao? He's basically a Biden shill.

>>25830967
>>25831053
see link above, morons

[Anonymous No.25831123]

>>25831019
The funniest part is when you ask them probing questions about how the automation is supposed to be maintained, who pays for it and what their incentives are.
And either they just handwave it with magic or essentially argue for a capitalist model.

[Anonymous No.25831125]

>>25831041
>We're at 400k from corona alone this year.
Literally CCP bioweapon, that goes to the victims of communism as well.

[Anonymous No.25831147]

>>25831092
Fake and gay.

[Anonymous No.25831173]

>>25831125
>debate with me, I'm schizophrenic

[Anonymous No.25831181]

>>25830967
name one example
>inb4 soviet russia and/or china
both literally textbook examples of state capitalism and why it's an awful idea

[Anonymous No.25831204]

>>25830683
0 NEET opportunities.
Only play is to make shite loads of thermite to melt local infrastructure and create your own killdozer.

[Anonymous No.25831205]

>>25830683
>Oh comrade, I see you failed to fulfill your coal quota for your designated 16 hour shift. No worries, we’ll just cut you and your family’s rations by 1/3rd. Also, two more families are moving into your already cramped government housing. Good day!

[Anonymous No.25831225]

>dude just go communist everything will be better forever >:)

[Anonymous No.25831257]

>>25831125
Lmao a Bio-weapon that killed almost no one under efficient communist systems like China, Cuba or Vietnam. Under your rotting capitalist governments millions will die along with your economy. Reminder despite corona the china and Vietnamese economies will grow by over 5% in both 2020 and 2021. Faster growth than any major capitalist economies in decades despite the outbreak.

Cope more

[Anonymous No.25831268]

>>25831125
If we're going to rack up the deaths of the American military industrial complex then oh boy do I have numbers for you.

[Anonymous No.25831283]

>>25831205
>designated 16 hour shift
lmao, that's capitalism

Socialist movements around the world had to FORCE fucking 8 hour work day on the capitalist pigs. Hundreds died during police crackdown for demanding child labor be eradicated.

[Anonymous No.25831285]

i'm french, we have guaranteed housing and free healthcare.
free healthcare means you wait 6 months for an appointment and you get treated by an ambiguously arabic dude who botches even minor surgeries slightly so you still feel pain years after
guaranteed housing means you live in a 30m2 apartment (300 square feet) with nigger and wigger neighbors smoking weed and playing music until 1 to 2 am every night
capitalism is my only hope to escape this

[Anonymous No.25831313]

Capitalism isn't perfect, far from it, but to shill communism as some great system, an alternative, is hilarious.

[Anonymous No.25831315]

>>25831225
nice, norway mogging everyone else as usual

[Anonymous No.25831339]

>>25831090
>lifted out of poverty
... into a completely managed state serf "life," as an interchangeable economic cog whose good goy score is tracked, publicly, in real time

Ted K was right about leftists

[Anonymous No.25831353]

>>25830683
Under communism I wouldn't have all the cool stuff I have under capitalism. I don't want everybody brought down to the minimum.

[Anonymous No.25831355]

>>25831205
A reminder that average workdays in the USSR during the 1970s were shorter than under the US today

https://nintil.com/the-soviet-union-working-hours/

[Anonymous No.25831357]

>>25831173
I don't care that Jewgle hides facts that can tell you many things about origins of this COVID-19.
I know that the wet market is located back-to-back to the lab where chinks test coronaviruses on bats, and they even bragged about it several years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuhan_Institute_of_Virology
If you ignore this, then the only schizo denying the reality is you.

[Anonymous No.25831359]

if white communists were guaranteed to include non-white/trans landlords in their kill-lists I'd be more sympathetic

[Anonymous No.25831363]

>>25830934
>US quarantines them. They get cut off from global trade. Shit ensues. Won't be a problem anymore after the US falls.
What a pile of bullshit. The fact a quarantine supposedly stops them already shows what a failure that system is.

Stop discussing with OP. The only thing that helps with communists is violence. Man, I love that Narcos scene when they start fucking with Pablo Escobar and end up dead, crying for the police to help them.

[Anonymous No.25831388]

>>25830683
>EVERYONE SHOULD BE CONTENT WITH THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM STANDARDS! AT LEAST WE CAN PLAY NINTENDO WII ALL DAY AND NOT WORK! WHAT A PARADISE!
Some of us are trying to build a legacy you filthy redditor.

[Anonymous No.25831396]

>>25831285
uh huh

[Anonymous No.25831413]

>>25831147
You sure bro?

[Anonymous No.25831420]

>>25831225
A reminder that the majority of people who lived in former soviet states say life was better under socialism

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2019/10/15/european-public-opinion-three-decades-after-the-fall-of-communism/

[Anonymous No.25831424]

>>25830683
That is called National Socilaism. What you are talking about is guaranteed famine and a nice trip to the Gulag.

[Anonymous No.25831447]

>>25830683
which is no fun, faggot, hence why communist countries were all grey hellscapes

[Anonymous No.25831462]

>>25830683
how does the sexual market place work under communism? since women tend to pick men that make more than them

[Anonymous No.25831465]

>>25831339
This literally describes capitalism you mong. Also reminder ted K said USSR system was less alienating than USA. Read past the intro faggot

[Anonymous No.25831497]

>>25831355
>"They pretend to pay us, we pretend to work."
Old Soviet joke

[Anonymous No.25831518]

>>25831363
>The fact a quarantine supposedly stops them already shows what a failure that system is.
Considering the size of Cuba to the USA, then comparing living standards in Cuba to the neighboring nations, I'd say they are doing extremely well.

[Anonymous No.25831520]

>>25831413
Yes

[Anonymous No.25831532]

>>25830683
Bro take som classes at a fucking community college or something god damn you need an education that’s not provided by Reddit.

[Anonymous No.25831534]

>>25831257
China is not real communism (which is why it's growing)

[Anonymous No.25831580]

>>25831447
Imagine buying globalist propaganda this hard. BACK IN THE CAGIE WAGIE

[Anonymous No.25831584]

>>25831465
>ted K said USSR system was less alienating than USA
Source: Dude trust me

[Anonymous No.25831643]

>>25831257

China moved on from communism, m8.

[Anonymous No.25831655]

>>25831420
Look, faggot, I don't care what you shill to amerimutts, but if you ever go to my country я выпyщy тeбe кишки и пoвeшy тeбя нa них, пoнял, кpacнoпyзый yблюдoк?

[Anonymous No.25831662]

>>25831447
>communist countries were all grey hellscapes
it's true, mom! I saw it on the History Channel!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dErNXWPiVsE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE4Lxzfwq14

[Anonymous No.25831670]

>>25831465
Also to equate a credit score with China's Social Credit system is an absolute fucking joke befit of a teenage "Anarcho-Socialist" r*dditor

[Anonymous No.25831704]

>>25830683
API3 fixes this.

[Anonymous No.25831711]

>>25831420

>old heads waxing nostalgic about their nationalist pasts

Lol. Their huge amounts of outflows would say otherwise.

[Anonymous No.25831715]

>>25831420
old fart being nostalgic because they can't adapt to an ever changing society

[Anonymous No.25831724]

>>25831520
I bet that you haven't experienced any of the effects of socialism, that's why you keep defending it on this thread, when It's applied it's full of corruption, everything keeps getting worse.

[Anonymous No.25831725]

>to each according to his need, from each according to his ability

Miss me with that shit. You don't deserve shit just for being born. Everything should be earned.

[Anonymous No.25831740]

>>25831465
ted k was a luddite retard
oh, so you are the moron who's always tedfagging on this site

[Anonymous No.25831745]

>>25831534
You don't even know what communism is outside of what your faggot history teacher told you.

Riddle me this faggot how come the only two economies to ever grow from backwater to world superpower in under 30 years where both communist states. Russia and China Cope and seeth more muh "real socalism"

[Anonymous No.25831750]

>>25831420
If you try to turn my country back to communism I will literally unironically put a bullet in your head.

[Anonymous No.25831767]

>>25831534
notice the line being cut? that's WW2 where they lost 26 million citizens

notice that big slump? that's the reintroduction of capitalism in Russia.

Really makes you think.

[Anonymous No.25831779]

>>25831532
>he thinks the education system isn't full of post modern marxists
reddit and college are equally bad, if you can't think critically in 2020 you're doomed and there's no way out

[Anonymous No.25831787]

>>25831420
lol, your link literally says the opposite

[Anonymous No.25831798]

How could communism rise in the USA? Good luck trying to convince such a racially divided country that "lol race doesn't matter its all about class :)". At that point the country will just balkanise

[Anonymous No.25831800]

>Reminder that under communism you wouldn't be allowed to play online casino to have your guaranteed housing and healthcare.

[Anonymous No.25831827]

>>25831725
>>to each according to his need
Needs are defined by the government.
>>from each according to his ability
Job is also defined by the government.

The best representation of this motto is a labor camp.

[Anonymous No.25831870]

>>25831518
>I'd say they are doing extremely well.
What the fuck. Are you some retard who went there on holidays? It's a fucking poor shit hole. People are trying to SWIM away from Cuba.

Nothing, not a single good thing has ever come out of a communist country.

[Anonymous No.25831888]

>>25831655
It was capatalism that raped Russia not socialism. Ask Putin.

>>25831670
Im not an Anarchist and China has less control over its citizens than the USA. Try saying something contreverttial on twitter

>>25831715
>>25831711
Muh nostalgia

Cope more, the momentum of the world today is towards socialism. China is the world superpower and all old capitalist countries are dieing off. Futher ever notice its only the young people in ex-soviet countries who never experienced socialism who claim to like the knew system

[Anonymous No.25831911]

>>25831396
what point are you even trying to make?
even in your own country, many homeless are mentally ill, illegals, or both
in france this is pretty much the entire homeless population
as a french citizen all you have to do is go to the welfare office website, fill up a declaration of income and other resources, and if you don't have a home you eventually get one

[Anonymous No.25831951]

>>25831767
>Really makes you think.
That commies just make up their statistics?
Yeah, that's totally correct.

[Anonymous No.25831966]

>>25831715
>>25831711
>muh old fart
It has nothing to do with being old or young. You just have to compare rent prices. My apartment takes up 70% of my wages. In socialist times that was merely around 5% for the average wage earner. How the fuck would I not want socialism back?

[Anonymous No.25831977]

>>25831787
Filter by people who where of working age before fall of Berlin wall brainlet

>>25831750
T.Retard who never lived under socialism and bought globalist propaganda.

[Anonymous No.25832029]

>>25831951
The COPE OHNMONONO YOU CAN'T DO BETTER THAN US YOUR MAKING IT UP OHNNONONON.

[Anonymous No.25832055]

>>25831096
>profitability crisis of capitalism
if the scandinavian model is being eroded as you say without source, it's because of all the third world leeches they imported who don't work, sit around all day collecting gibs from a system this didn't and never will pay into

[Anonymous No.25832071]

JANNIES DO YOUR FUCKING JOB REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
BEGONE BACK TO /POL/ SUBHUMAN

[Anonymous No.25832074]

>>25831041
USA per capita deaths is no better or worse than the UK who has socialised healthcare

[Anonymous No.25832080]

>>25830683
That sounds like something a faggot loser would say because he's butthurt about making retarded decisions all the time. Good I'm glad you're stupid and your capital will flow to me.

[Anonymous No.25832081]

>>25831798
>How could communism rise in the USA?
Red terrorists don't need many people to come to power, all they need is chaos created with the help of useful idiots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9TviIuXPSE

[Anonymous No.25832089]

>>25831966

>dude just let the government force me into a shitty tiny little commie cuck box and tell me how much I'm allowed to eat every day rather than having to go make some money on my own

Fuck you

[Anonymous No.25832142]

>>25831966
>My apartment takes up 70% of my wages.
You're literally going to be homeless on the next leg of inflation, kek

[Anonymous No.25832159]

>>25832081
This guy is literally a proven hoax, only brainlet 14 year olds post this shit

[Anonymous No.25832178]

>>25830683
Communism is inefficient beyond belief and it doesn't work. Please read something else than Das Kapital for once, something that doesn't make a man cringe

[Anonymous No.25832183]

>>25831518
cope

[Anonymous No.25832208]

>>25831977
>bought globalist propaganda
That's you. Communist International is globohomo by definition.

[Anonymous No.25832216]

>>25832089
This is literally how capitalism works. Homeownership (Not rentcucking) was higher in the USSR than it is in any first world country today.

[Anonymous No.25832234]

>>25832089
>tell me how much I'm allowed to eat
where the fuck do you get these schizo takes, lmao?

[Anonymous No.25832239]

>>25831420
Cziffra begs to differ go fuck yourself Borg scum

[Anonymous No.25832272]

>>25832074
>Socalised healthcare under catapilism is basiclaly socalism bro

COPIUM OVERDOSE.

Reminder despite Covid 19 starting in China its deathrate is one of the lowest in the world. Further the actual lowest deathrates in the world are communist vietnam and north korea

[Anonymous No.25832298]

>>25832239
>1 person said something
You don't really get how statistics work, right?

[Anonymous No.25832321]

>>25832234
They literally ration resources and restrict freedom of choice "for your safety" faggot

[Anonymous No.25832327]

>>25830857
If they had not used that shit system they wouldn't have rampant corruption and would now have a much higher living standard. Just look at ex-commie countries and see the damage done

[Anonymous No.25832347]

>>25832216
>Homeownership (Not rentcucking) was higher in the USSR
Ok, clown, you just outperformed yourself.
Apartments were privatized only after the fall of USSR, before that they were all rent from the government.

[Anonymous No.25832348]

>>25832208
Wrong again.

All capatalist coutnries are controlled by a small group of large international capitalists. Only by adopting forms of socialism can countries become independent. Who do you think is more independent in 2020 north Korea or France

[Anonymous No.25832392]

[Anonymous No.25832399]

>>25832321
You mean under WW2? Literally every country involved to a greater extent did this as well.

[Anonymous No.25832405]

>>25832216

>homeownership
>in a communist country

[Anonymous No.25832410]

>>25830916
that makes YOU unsustainable, no matter how rich you are, unless you are above big tech companies or governments. What makes you think the elite will keep building machines for mindless consumers? What you're saying leads to:
1. Get rid of consumers
2. Redirect automation's purpose to something bigger

[Anonymous No.25832419]

>>25832272
>despite Covid 19 starting in China its deathrate is one of the lowest in the world
Haven't I already told you to fuck off with commie statistics?

[Anonymous No.25832430]

>>25830934
>the USSR and p. much all the eastern bloc provided excellent level of healthcare for everyone
This is a modern Russian hospital. Their healthcare system was never great. Did you see USSR hospitals in person? No you didn't. Their system has always been a mess, and anyone saying it wasn't is spreading soviet propaganda.

[Anonymous No.25832447]

>>25832327
OH NON ONONONONONO

The only 2 countries to go from underdeveloped to world superpower (A pace of growth unheard of in world history) are commuinist USSR and China. Ask the Indians how capitalism is working out for their large underdeveloped population

[Anonymous No.25832449]

>>25831041
Poor people get free healthcare in America. Fuck, even illegal immigrants get free healthcare. You don’t know what you’re talking about

[Anonymous No.25832452]

>>25831662
cherry-picked Nazi Germany looks appealing when stormniggers shill that, too

>>25831580
pouring your life into your work is the ultimate virtue when it's for yourself and not shekelberg, such entrepreneurialism is only possible under capitalism, not gommunism where there's zero possibility of being the primary benefactor of one's own work. BIOSHOCK, unironically, is the ideal system.

[Anonymous No.25832467]

>>25832405
You can't own means of production in socialism. A home is not a means of production, neither is your toothbrush, you moron.

[Anonymous No.25832490]

>>25832399
Temporarily restricting gasoline and starving millions of people to death don't really compare, sorry.

[Anonymous No.25832497]

>>25832347
>Rent from the goverment
Rent is less than 5% of earnings rather than housing costs being between 25-50% under capitalism. Plus you can't be evicted and your children inheret the home

[Anonymous No.25832498]

>>25832348
>Only by adopting forms of socialism
National-Socialism, I guess? At least it did not crumble under its own weight.

[Anonymous No.25832507]

>>25830934
>Us quarantines them
Oh noo, communist nations need free trade and capitalism to make profit for themselves when they're selling their oil to the west. Why would the US do such thing
>Dying of treatable diseases
Imagine being this dense. People still die of cancer under communism. Cancer is preventable, doesn't mean it won't ever happen if you make the medicine free. If anything you're more likely to die of cancer under free healthcare and it's rationing. Like my grandma died of cancer under free healthcare when she was told to just kinda hang out in the hospital cos they had no equipment to even evaluate her. USSR had no anesthesia dude.
>Better housing for exceptional workers
So inequality?
>Excellent healthcare
Literally no. Ussr was decades behind the west and it only provided heart surgery in two places in the whole country. USSR IS FUCKING GIANT AND MOST PEOPLE COULD NOT GO ANYWHERE LIKE THAT
like I said, no dental anesthesia sounds amazing bro
And workers having to travel two days to moscow buy meat or sweets, doesn't sound like a good quality system to me bre

[Anonymous No.25832517]

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