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For me? I'm an incel and want to be come rich so I can afford a steady stream of top quality escorts. I see this as my path to ascension. It's legal in my country so I won't have to worry about that.Most people I talked to say they just want to get rich for its own sake or to impress others. No one here is that materialsitic and wants to buy expensive clothes or stuff.
I thought an incel didn’t want to have sex and hated women? So you just can’t get laid?
>>25555859>I thought an incel didn’t want to have sex and hated women?Incel just means involuntarly celibate. Some hate women but it's only out of resentement for being rejected> So you just can’t get laid?Yep
To begin my dynasty and establish a 1000 year reich
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>>25556076Based>>25556029Based as well.
>>25555803Don't care about getting "rich" (to me that's like $30mil nw) but I may as well invest. I have a job I enjoy that pays well and I'm happy with my free or low cost hobbies, cheap but comfy apartment, and an occasional trip abroad for fun. All the leftover money may as well be put to work to make more money. Why not?I wouldn't mind helping my dad buy a new house since he lost his after his business failed years ago.
>>25555803Literally the thought of having a beautiful wife and three kids is why I want money. Then I can work on my legacy which is nothing right now. kek
>>25555803FOMO on cool stuff.
Life is boring, making money is fun. And money leads to more fun. I'm utterly disinterested in things like video games these days.
>>25555803ok Mr incel let me tell you something, sex gets boring after a while no matter how sexy, cute, exotic, top of the line and different girls you fuck.t. went from poor incel to rich incel fucking different girls daily start looking for something else to fulfill your life, it's ok to be an incel you can't work on improving that but don't be a retard
Aside from escaping wageslavery, I want to buy lots of merch to support my favorite series and decorate my neecave with. The dream would be to become rich enough to fund an entire studio.
>>25556357How did you fuck different girls daily? Escorts?
Why don’t you people just stop being ugly
I don't want to wage slave for 20 more years. I want to live in a quiet wooded area and spend my days reading, playing vidya, volunteering at the animal shelter, working out and doing fun things with my gf.
Money is freedom and I want to be as free as possible.I also want to not worry about working so I am free to pursue creative endeavors.
>>25556566Because it's genetic you dingus and you can't change your bone structure.
Anyone seeking to get rich to consume and not to end the curse of wage slavery is NGMI, seriously. Stop being a faggot and wanting the buy the things. We are trying to buy our freedom here.
>>25556420look at that jelly nigger in the background..
I don't want to wage slave for 20 more years. I want to live in a quiet wooded area and spend my days reading, playing vidya, volunteering at the animal shelter, working out and walking the woods with my gf.
Well first it was to prove to my dad I'm not a retard and so he could finally retire from being a doctor. Since he passed away, now it's to live the american dream after partying in pattaya for a year.
I'm going to explore the bottom of the ocean
>>25555803freedomi wanna be able to act in capeshit, fantasy, and sci fi movies and do voice overs for commercials or anime and toons i like.i wanna visit Japan.i also want to be able to fuck my gf 24/7 without worrying about bills, while also dressing her up as my favorite characters.i also want to make my own game, learn to box, and provide for the closest people in my family and improve the neighborhood im in.i also want to help bullied kids before they end up like us.im also gonna help ot the wildlife.an eclectic amount of goals, i know but im an eclectic as fuck person
>>25556623>wanting to "escape" wageslaveryAbsolutely pathetic. Work is the point of life. Even if i became a billionaire I'd still work day in day out.NGMI honestly
>>25555803Basically same as you. I'm not an incel but I'm getting tired of fucking fat or unattractive women. If you have low standards pussy it plentiful, readily available, and free but I can only nut on so many 3s and 4s before I want to shoot for a 5 or 6. Maybe one day we will make it and be able to afford the occasional 8 or 9 escort.
So you want to get rich to transfer that wealth to whores that despise you to give you little bit of their time.Peak cuck.Well at least you will not blow it on onlyfans or twitch thots. That would be the actual peak.
>>25556894Work is YOUR point of life. The biological point of life is to reproduce and survive long enough to make your children fare in the world on their own.Other than that there is no 'universal' point. Get your pathetic CONSOOM mind out of here.
>>25555803its about beeing free from wagecucking(not to be confused with working)
I just want to live in a small but comfortable home somewhere secluded without neighbors nearby and with a lawn full of old cars. Im tired of living with parents
I doubt I'll truly make it, but my main motivation is to pull in extra income so I can get my family moved into a cozy house away from the suburbs. After that, help a few people I'm close to financially and maybe be able to retire early.
Freedom from wageslaver is my goal. Then, I will buy property and get rent revenue and stack that on itself and lobbies municipal governments with high homeless rates to undo theur NIMBY bullshit and I'll build affordable housing all over the country.
>>25556871same, but with less capeshit. I dunno if I'm wage cucked in the head after I met a guy who lives in his van, sells custom leather and metal products he makes himself and spend most of the day surfing. guys probably makes like a 1-2k a month but already excited the world of wage cuckery.
>>25555803>What Motivates You To Get Rich?Freedom to do whatever the fuck I want with my time. This more or less mean free up my time to learn new things, build things, and experiment. I'd also throw in the ability to travel anywhere in the world on impulse or just because I feel like it.
I only want to make it so that I have enough for a house so I can save time working and go get my PhD sooner rather than later.
>>25556967Being an incel for life isn't one you want to live>>25556987>wanting to be lazy and do nothing all day instead of join the establishment so you can start influecning the worldGOOD GOY>>25556989>The biological point of life is to reproduce and survive long enough to make your children fare in the world on their own.Pathetic. MUST REPRODUCE, MUST HAVE MORE CHILDREN IN THIS SHITTY WORLD TO HAVE SHITTY LIVESPathetic and primitive, reproduction is a crime.
>>25555803I just want a place to call home again and the ability to do what ever I want, whenever I want.
>>25557115Why would you own properties instead of owning stock?
>>25555803So I can better the world to the best of my ability.
>>25557177Have you ever been diagnosed? I know someone who wouldn't be happy even on a make it stack. The only thing you'd buy is a golden rope
I'm insanely bored and the numbers give a concrete goal.
I want to homestead and travel without pressure to work.
>>25556894dumb and not ancient philosophy pilled. Work is not the point of life. Work is just a means to procure survival for you and your loved ones. If you have $ you do not need to work, you can spend that time doing things that fulfill you.
>>25555803I tired of being poor. I tired of rich people showing off their toilet bigger than my room.
Do stand up comedy full time, buy a house on some acers with a well. Buy a condo in town. Feel free to read , work out, maybe get involved politically. Work on improving public school system, aka making charter schools more available, maybe start my own.
>>25555803Sex is easy, sloots are easy, having fun is easy. What I want is the extremes. I want to fly planes, do ahuyuasca in the desert, wing suit, deep sea dive. I want a life of adventure and to never get fucking bored of being alive like every old burned out wageslaver I know. Every hedonistic indulgence must be consumed, every emotion felt. I want to die having truly lived, having experienced everything that life on our dying polluted earth has to offer because I know that after death is the void.
>>25557227>Have you ever been diagnosed?Aspergers> I know someone who wouldn't be happy even on a make it stack. The only thing you'd buy is a golden ropeWhat does this mean?
>>25557096And pic related the house
>>25555803I want to easily afford hookers and I dom't want to work 8 hours a day. Das it boi
>>25555803I want nothing more than a small home to call my own. A place where I can write in peace, sometimes see my friends, and just live a simple, humble life.This is why I know I won't make it. I'm too conservative with my investments. I want to be assured that life no matter what.
>>25556894Newflash: Billionaires aren't do what they do because they love what they do and want to do what they do. There's a difference between working because it doesn't feel like work and being Mr. Shekelstein's wagie #091032387 because you HAVE to in order to put a roof over your head.
>>25557373>What does this meanIt means you can hang yourself in style
>>25555803I want a comfy house far away from people
>>25557373>Aspergersbullshit, you are a schizoid
>>25555803freedommoney is time
Paying my parents back for taking care of me 27 years, going on 28. I’m a bad son desu.
>>25557292> Work is just a means to procure survival for you and your loved ones.No, you need to work to acquire more and more power. You'll never join the establishment and have real power over people without work.>Work is just a means to procure survival for you and your loved onesIf you still believe in "love" and having "loved ones" then you're a dummy.
>>25555803I want to cure diabetes, mental illness, and aging.
>>25557358>Sex is easy, sloots are easy, having fun is easy.No they aren't, that's basically impossible to get in 2020 without paying huge amounts.>. I want to fly planes, do ahuyuasca in the desert, wing suit, deep sea dive. I want a life of adventure and to never get fucking bored of being alive like every old burned out wageslaver I know.That stuff is all easy to afford if you just wait for inheritance or ask family members for help. You don't need to get rich off bitcoin for that.
>>25555803I’m autistic so the only jobs I can get are shit-tier hellscapes that only pay well because I’m the smartest person there by a long shot and do multiples of their work while still getting shat on for being weird.I just need enough passive income to buy some woods in NH and go schizo it up. I hate everything and everyone and have no interest in inflicting life on another, especially with my genetics and the awful parenting of any woman insane enough to be around me.
>>25555803I just want to live free from the anoying bullshit that is humanity.If I was rich enough, I'd buy/build a castle far the fuck off into the mountains somewhere with a servant that buys shit for me in town so I don't even have to go among the plebs. Basically no one would ever see me. A piece of property and some passive income is my goal.
>>25555803I am just tired of the rat race wage cucking world I live in. Basically just not interested in working for some company until I’m in my 60s to actually have financial freedom. I want to enjoy my 20s and live my life to the fullest.
>>25555803I'm afraid to not to be fit for the wagie market (I'm high testosterone 140 iq) and too proud to be a neet
>>25557615>No they aren't, that's basically impossible to get in 2020 without paying huge amounts.This explains it, you're just a huge incel. Have sex
>>25557576Aging is already done, unironically by some jews last month with pressure (gas) chambers.
literally no one will hire me, so my only hope of ever supporting myself is to get so goddamn rich I never have to work a day in my life. Believe me, if I could get a decently paying job I wouldn't be as invested in memecoins as I am now. As it stands now, my life is fucked and this shit is my only hope
Buy CLF lolGoogle is your friend
>>25557576The only cure for my brain is a shot to the head, and I’m not the only one. Can’t unmolest a kid, etc.
>>25555803I'm 4th generation white trash.I don't want my children to suffer like I did.
>>25557701>you're a huge incelYeah, I said thta>have sexThat's why I'm trying to get rich from BTC dingus.
>>25557650Same. I never want to see or talk to a normie again. If I could press a button to genocide them I’d tape it pressed down.
>>25555803so I dont have to work, everything else is a cope or excuse to try and pretend it isn't so they don't have to work
>>25557786same bruhThe goal is not to be rich but to support myself
I feel pretty indifferent about "making it"getting rich and never having to work again would be cool, but I just like the memes and have a minor gambling addiction.
>>25555803Literally just travel, pussy and independence. I don't have any problems getting laid or attracting grills but it would be nice to be able to do and go wherever I want and not rely on a "partner" to "share my life with" aka tie me down.
>>25557918http://liamrosen.com/fitness.htmlDo this to get women, date a few and after that come back with the knowledge thtawomen arent really worth it. I dated models and most of the time it just feels like a waste of time. I am more happy alone, but Sex is generally great with women under 22.
>>25555803Idk the process is pretty fun and gives me something to do and focus on. I don't think having a whole lot of money would make me really happy if I didn't make it through my own means. I guess dabbing on my doubters would be pretty cool too.
I want to free myself of the tedium and futility of wagecuckery.
>>25555803I've been living abroad and travelling the world for 20 years. The last 5 years I've had a well-paid job with amazing benefits (free apartment, all utilities paid, and $10k per year for flights for vacation).I'm out of it now and starting my own bu3but I still want those carefree trips around the world. I also want to show my ex-wife and my friends that I did way better in life after the divorce.And I also want all financial stress relieved forever.
>>25555803>what motivates you to get rich?We must secure the existence of our race and a future for white children.
>>25556688Can I be your gf ?
>>25557477Yes, but not in Croatia
>>25558339You will never be a woman
>>25555803To live off the grid nigga.
>>25556656God I wish that was my daughter
To have the choice of luxury or cheap instead of forced to buy cheap and the sense of dread when you see a single digit figure in your bank but still need to find food for the week.
Leaving a legacy for my children and building a dynasty.
>>25555803I need a high amount of power and wealth if I want to contact the ancient astronauts before I die.Unfortunately I would need wealth in the range of trillions and at least a third of the political power on earth if I want a real chance of reaching this goal easily.
>>25555803>low level hedonist opgo plant an orchard or literally anything else productive for god's sake
I want to live forever and use stem cells and other transhumanist tech to become a God.
>>25557615Should have prefaced by saying I had my first sexual experience at 7 and lost my virginity at 10. Girls have always thought of me as beautiful. Was known for having the prettiest eyes and prettiest dick (not making that shit up) in my high school. Sex has never had the same allure as adrenaline or pure unmitigated emotional experience. I want to drink at the fountain of life until I drown, sex is only a small part of it in my mind I guess. Honestly I sometimes get off more on rejecting a beautiful women only because I know I could have had her but chose not to.I have considered using escorts to satisfy my more debased taboo desires, but honestly could find someone with the same kinks for maximum sexual enjoyment.I feel so numb these days, even feeling intense sorrow would be welcome, I've never felt so shitty as when my highschool GF cucked me 11 years ago the emotional pain and distress was exquisite.
>>25555803I don't want to become rich necessarily, i just wanna make enough to survive the crash and the world afterwards.
I want to be free. Free from wageslaving, free to travel, free to obtain the small things I need without worry, free to get a place of my own, just to have my own time and be able to do my own things and not be forced to wake up and waste my life for others who don’t deserve it.
>>25555803Thats a noble pursuit, anon.
>>25555803I don't want to fucking work, that's really itManaging an income generation portfolio is work but barelyI would sooner neck than be a wagie until I croak, and I'd rather be low income from that forever than be middle income and have no lifeDon't even need to be that rich to have what I want, I have a number, it's $1.3MM but I could get away with $1MM, then I retire god dammit>so you're lazyI want choices is allI would rather starve now and meet my financial goals than not, I literally eat ramen soups daily boy
>>25556147I too dont wanna be rich (for me its like 500 mili), meager 50 mili will do, Im too humble to ask for more
Let’s not conflate wageslaving with work. Wageslaving is tedious. The tired old phrases used in the office. Inefficient people and processes. Working subserviently under others. Having a set number of days of holiday per annum for which you need to take permission. Working is more entrepreneurial. Developing property. Owning a business. Consolidating and developing multiple income streams. That’s why I want to make it - so I have a choice.
>>25558065>do this to get womenI'm already really fit.
>>25555803I'm extremely conscious of the crushing weight of poverty on my shoulders, and I don't want that stress in my life if I can help it.
>>25558504I'm a high level hedonist.
>>25557177You base your identity around getting laid. The happy life awaits at your doorstep all you need to do is take the redpill and swallow it. After you go troigh valley of depression and redpill rage you will eventually break your cucked bluepill conditioning and will be able to love yourself and your life.But those journey takes about 2 years. Are you ready for an adventure?
>>25558676This. I love to *work*, but if I have to write another massive confluence document with tables and shit for a refactor of legacy trash that I could do in a few hours with one hand, and that wouldn’t exist at all if my coworkers weren’t brain dead sociopaths, I’m going to lose it.
>>25557397>cardboard stucco boxes within inhaling distance of each otherdumb money
>>25558679Than there is no point for you too do anything to get a women, change your mind or make peace with the fact that you wont attract a female. If you only desire sex than just do it with an hooker you find attractive. But beware of the corruption that comes with it.
>>25558511What tech exists for meaningful extension of life expectancy?AFAIK stem cells aren't proven to help in any meaningful way yet.I guess you could combo stem cells with BHRT to try and get better IGF-1 values so you could show a lower biological age indicators but that hasn't been around long enough to have any solid data on it yet.
>>25557096>without neighbors nearby and with a lawn full of old cars.same shit anon, but its harder to achieve for me as im not in US
>>25559052https://nypost.com/2020/11/20/scientists-reverse-human-aging-process-in-breakthrough-study/Worst case I will get cryogenically frozen.
>>25557177>Being an incel for life isn't one you want to liveYou are still giving money to thots brocel. Just invest in sexbots like I'll do when I make it.
>>25555803>thinks hes cool because hes not materialistic>is a coombrain thoughkys
>>25559052https://youtu.be/5Op_lx7rqSsThis seems promising
>>25557573It depends on your definition and scope of "power". For example, I could take my money and become a sustainable farmer with a homestead. I can then offer my excess vegetables for free to the neighbors and community. I can gain influence over my neighbors by providing them with free food from my hobby / lifestyle. One could argue that this influence is considered power.
>>25558927pic is just example chomp >>25559062Me neither but i would love to move there if i had "made it"
>>25558803What's the redpill? That sex doesn't matter?
>>25559124I find it funny, that jews achieved immortality with gas chambers.
>>25559007I do plan to just use escorts that's why I want to get RICH off CRYPTO MINING
>>25555803I just want to retire early and focus entirely on my hobbies and family, and also to leave somethibg to my kids once i pass away
>>25558774Search for PUA on google. (Pick up artist) then read a book «the game» by neil strauss or somethingGood luck
>>25555803> What Motivates You To Get Rich?Greed. It is powerful.
>>25555803I realized at a very early age how hard it is to make money. Now I'm 28 and I realize how expensive everything is.I want the financial security of being able to tell a boss to "fuck off" when I feel like it. The feeling of not needing a job is one of the greatest feelings in the world. Never forget how I felt being 16 with some extra cash in my pocket and no financial obligations.
>>25559212 i like shitboxes in the desert, looks kinda aestethic
>>25555803I work around a lot of rich people and want to be as wealthy as they are but be a better person.
>>25559212>>25559301pic rel is the ideal car, from the movie "Vanishing Point"
>>25559185>wanting to be a kissless virgin for life
>>25559274PUA is cringe and only works for Chads
>>25559212where is this?I need out of my urban hellhole.
>>25559485Then why did I get laid?
>>25559580You're physically attractive.
>>25559580Because you were just a pussy chad.I’ve gained 50lb in the past year and have the face of a lesbian. There is no “personality” that makes this work.
>>25556894>Work is the point of life. Even if i became a billionaire I'd still work day in day outtheres a difference between waging so you won't die , and working on a project that you believe in and find meaningful . having fuck you money let's you do the latter without worrying.
>>25555803same. That's really all I want. Every other material comfort is meaningless if you're not getting your sexual needs met, and if you are a genetic lottery loser like me it's nearly impossible aside from the transactional route. My plan is to move to a place with a low cost of living and many beautiful escorts like eastern europe and just fuck until my dick falls off. Got a lot of years to make up for. Used to see escorts a lot when i lived in California but where I'm at now the pickings are slim. I'm nearly there. One more year perhaps and I am going to quit my job and follow my dream.
>>25559654Chris Farley got puss
>>25559963Hookers. Chris Farley got hookers.Also he was obviously repressing some LGBT shit so it didn’t matter.
>>25559832That's a bit sad DESU. I've fucked about 70 - 80 hookers when I was younger. It wasn't good for my self esteem to only have intimate contact when I give money, not because they actually like me or want to touch me. It fucks with you anon.I've had friends in Thailand who fucked hookers so long they couldn't look a pretty white girl in the eyes anymore.
>>25559832>eastern europeIsn't it illegal in Eastern Europe? And they really go hard on foreigners who hire escorts there, like if you get caught in a sting the guards might beat you to a pulp.
>>25555803nothing. I made over $10k in stocks today and I feel nothing, and my life isn't going to change because of it. the best sources of happiness in life have nothing to do with excess wealth, in fact i'd go so far as to say money is a meme. and a lot of people on this board are wasting their lives
>>25560213>I've had friends in Thailand who fucked hookers so long they couldn't look a pretty white girl in the eyes anymore.Why couldn't they?
>>25556871>i also want to be able to fuck my gf 24/7 without worrying about bills, while also dressing her up as my favorite characters.>t. never had a gfGood luck with that one, champ.
>>25560240hmm well in truth haven't really looked into where the best destinations are. Something I'll have to think about. it's illegal in the US but that doesn't stop anyone. So long as you're not soliciting streetwalkers chance of getting caught is near zero and even if caught it's not like you'd go to prison.
>>25560240>Isn't it illegal in Eastern Europe?You know Eastern Europe is not a country, right? It is a region comprising several sovereign states each with their own laws and culture.
>>25560335Have you had sex with non-hookers?
>>25560213well it true that ever since I started seeing escorts I've had even more contempt for women.i wish it didn't have to be like this but for someone with my attributes it's the only choice. it's either that or nothing. i did nothing for a while and it sucks
>>25560335>it's illegal in the US but that doesn't stop anythingIt stops everyone> So long as you're not soliciting streetwalkers chance of getting caught is near zero and even if caught it's not like you'd go to prison.You are most likely going to get caught if you hire escorts, they're undercover cops.
>>25560398yes, I had girlfriends before but not very many & it's been a long time. women for the most part have always treated me like shit
>>25560353Every country in Eastern europe criminalizes sex purchasing
>>25560415you're totally wrong. I've seen close to 100 escorts and never had a single issue. It's totally safe so long as you aren't being obvious about itvery similar to drugs. vast majority of people who buy and use drugs don't go to prison because they aren't doing it where everyone can see. It's dumb people who do things like use drugs in public or get caught with drugs doing some other crime who have to deal with the law
>>25560281What makes you fulfilled in life certainly isn't money. its things like having a family, helping people, doing meaningful work which will propagate your philosophy into the world ... and money helps you achieve those things. Just having the money in an account won't make you feel anything but deploying it towards meaningful ends will.
>>25560410Well, in that case, think about Thailand and the Philippines. You don't need hookers there, especially Philippines - Tinder explodes there for any white guy. Check out /trv/, there's always a thread about it.
I just want the freedom to blow money on whatever stupid luxury I want
>>25560546How are you suppose to get away with it if you hire escorts and the girl is an undercover cop, or the hotel clerk tips off the police.
>>25560468On paper. Czech Republic is the Amsterdam of Eastern Europe. Ukraine is crazy too. Police dgaf
For me, not having to work until I die, I don't care about luxuries or whores, the only thing that matters to me is not having to be a wageslave again, it's hell on earth.
>>25560615>How are you suppose to get away with it if you hire escorts and the girl is an undercover cop, or the hotel clerk tips off the policeYou have to be over 18 to post on 4chan
>>25560556>What makes you fulfilled in life certainly isn't money. its things like having a family, helping people, doing meaningful work which will propagate your philosophy into the worldNigga doing those things is the OPPOSITE of propagating your philosophy to the world.>>25560560Yeah but the girls aren't attractive there.
>>25559654thats because you are 4/10 and want to fuck 7+/10 women. Stay in your lane
>>25560622Where do you find them in those countries? Online? Like if someone went to Ukraine today, where would they look?
>>25560615because that doesn't fucking happen. very very rare. doing that shit is incredibly expensive and time consuming, and the number of people who get nabbed is small. and it's not even worth it because hiring a prostitute is a misdemeanor low level crime, doesn't even get you jail time in most places. police don't have the kind of resources necessary to run those sorts of operations for something so low-level. also, you can read reviews for girls to see if they are legit. there's plenty of resources and ways to protect yourself.
>>25556608This.>>25556871Some of this.>>25560313Kek. irk>>25557477A ton of this.>>25557508>>25557519Both of these.Probably a lot more, nice long thread frens, can't read it all. G/l to you guys, I think most of us would probably end up being a bit selfish w/ our gains, but still provide more positive than typical. G/L all, hope we make it.
>>25555803Fuckin' coomers. ngmi
>>25560670I'm 25, I've heard stories from my friend when he booked a hotel room and the girl couldn't get to his room because the elevators required an eletronic scanner. By the time he went down to let her up the hotel clerk came over to her and asked her to sign in. She then quickly left and the clerk was suspicious it was a prostitute and called the police.
>>25560560good tip. I do like asian girls. thanks for the suggestion.
>>25560746>read reviews for girls99% of girls you'll find have zero reviews>>25560780>being asexualngmi
>>25560687>Yeah but the girls aren't attractive thereOK. Now I'm going to post girls I matched with/fucked. Tell me what you think.
>>25560730I’m like an 8/10 when I’m not fat. I’m just not stupid enough to try PUA garbage when my body is too fucked atm to pull it off.
>>25560839>Paying for girls.ngmi. I fuck for free or the girls can pay me. Don't be a loser putting pussy on a pedestal
>>25560839>99% of girls you'll find have zero reviewsdepends on where you are. in California it wasn't an issue. I wouldn't go see a girl who didn't have at least a few reviews. Here it's a bit different but I still haven't had any probs. You're just paranoid. I'm not even worried about getting caught. What's the worst that could happen? I lose my job? so what. i'm this close to financial independence
Just wanna show more of her
>>25555803Spend virtual pennies in vegas
>>25560885>He can't afford paying girlsYou're a loser, likely come from a loser family (middle class or lower)
to make it easier to do whatever i want whenever i want
>>25560966Unless a girl actually wants your dick the sex will never be good. Paying for a girl is for losers. Hit the gym.
>>25560875>I’m like an 8/10 when I’m not fatcope
>>25561034>Unless a girl actually wants your dick the sex will never be goodAbsolutely false, that doesn't even make sense. Why does it matter if the girl enjoys it?And again, not paying for girls is for losers, if your family has 30 million in net worth, you could have easily spent your whole life paying top quality escorts and it would never be a problem>hit the gymI'm really fit.
>>25560959vegas would be a good choice. Thought about buying a condo in one of the hotels once i make it and spend my time playing poker and trolling for pussy >>25561034totally false. the girls i've seen are very affectionate and good at making you feel wanted (even if they don't really). And the sex is wild these girls do everything
>>25556335>Life is boring money is funI haven't even thought about it, but I'm really trying to get wealthy for the same reason.
>>25556029Here for the 1000 year reich as well. Doesn't have to be me, but I'll be damned if I'm not helping fund it. HH
>>25561091>>25561119Try telling me fucking a girl you don't want is as good as fucking someone who makes you diamonds? A loser pays for sex, cope.
>>25555803freedom. i'm tired of working for rich people> t. 300k/yr, 700k nw
>>25559216You want me to sum up meaning of life in 4chan post? I'm not talking redpill about.... I'm talking THE redpill.
>>25561170You're not alone brother
>>25561243>Try telling me fucking a girl you don't want is as good as fucking someone who makes you diamonds?It doesn't matter if the girl wants you, all that matters is if YOU WANT THE GIRL. A 8/10 who's paid to have sex with you will still be better than a 7/10 who does it for freeAnd again, you're a loser, you clearly come from white trash. If your family even had 10 million you'd see paying for sex like it's nothing.
>>25561243i am coping. like i said it's either escorts or nothing, and nothing is horrible. yes it's not optimal but gotta make due.the girls are pros, they fuck for a living so no surprise they are good at it
>>25555803I have a decent job, that pays well with a bright futureI'm 2 years in, and I realised I don't want to work anymore.My goal is to earn 2M € so I can get a 10K € per month until I die (2M€ invested with a 6% return rate)
>>25555803I don't want wage slave my entire life
>>25555803I spent my teens and 20s being poor and depriving myself of the things I wanted to do (make music, make art, build cool products) because I was way too busy just hustling to make a living.Being rich will earn me the freedom I want to do the things I need to do to be happy: make shit
>>25560873Does not compare to Eastern European escorts >>25561309If you make 300K a year then you don't have to worry about anything anymore.
>>25561401>If you make 300K a year then you don't have to worry about anything anymore.trust me, 300k isn't shit, neither is 700k. you won't feel like you can't worry until you're at multimillions imo. my 'safe' goal is 5mil and even then idk
>>25561346Why are you typing so much?Just trying to help you from experience bud
>>25561367Well if you didn't think girls (who are physically out of your league) were ugly, you would be able to have a gf.
>>25561367Ah damn, you can always work on yourself man. Paying is better than nothing but why not aim for a girl thirsting over your dick and only this? You can do it and believe me it's a whole 'nother level
I want to spend all of my time learning and teachingSpend my time working on whatever hare brain idea seems bestGeneral AICybernetic prostheticsNew pure maths research on the millenium problemsTeach my kids and grandkids the ways of wealth and wisdomCOZY
>>25561346>A 8/10 who's paid to have sex with you will still be better than a 7/10 who does it for freeYou are so wrong. Do you really think that men only have sex for the physical pleasure and not an emotional and intimate validation? Is there no value in feeling desired by an attractive woman?I don't understand how you can be so wrong.
>>25561495>trust me, 300k isn't shitI'm pretty sure you're lying because no one actually makes that kind of money.I go to an Ivy League school and the most people are hoping for is 150K a year, no one gets paid more than that until much later in their life.
>>25561636>why not aim for a girl thirsting over your dick and only thisbecause it's not possible. It'd be like a guy who's 4 foot 2 trying to make it in the NBA. It simply can't be done, genetics won't allow it
>>25555803>what motivates you to get richsimple, let me tell you a couple of three factors: a) I'm lazy and don't want to wageslaveb) I don't want to be a NEET in mommy's basement either because that shit is an embarrassment c) that wasn't my kid she was carrying
>>25561690Well it sounds like you've already given up sadly. Just know that's the only thing holding you back. I want us all to make it.
>>25561689kek, you don't have to believe me anon, my base salary is 160k and i make the rest in bonus and stock vesting>I go to an Ivy League school and the most people are hoping for is 150K a yearkek you're a fucking idiot if this is true. if you're at harvard (which i doubt since you said ivy league, you're probably at the state school in there) you'd know about CS50 and it wouldn't be so farfetched to you.go to levels.fyi you fucking newfag
>>25561743would you encourage a guy who was 4 feet tall to follow his dream of being a professional basketball player? if you would you're just an asshole
>>25561683Some people may enjoy that. I however, do not because I don't have an EGO that is tied to what females think. I care about PHYSICAL PLEASURE because it is real, tangible, and exists. Emotional validation can be achieved in many ways and depends on the mindset of the person. I get more emotional validation from getting high marks at school and knowing more than others about history and law than I do if some thot likes me or not,.
>>25561683Hopefully he'll figure it out someday. I gave up on the guy, he sounds like a bundle of problems / projection.
>>25561785I'm encouraging you to be the best version of yourself, the absolute apex of yourself. Do what you want.
>>25561753I go to Wharton. Very few people get into investment banking, even here, and the ones who do start at 80K for the first year and make 150K after a few years working there.A lot of people are going for consulting, there you get paid 70K and it slowly rises up to about 200K and maxes out.You don't just "make" 300K a year from salary and bonuses unless you're already the Vice Chairman of Netflix.If someone could make that money, they'd already be with the elites due to compounding.
I literally only want to get rich to be able to say fuck you to the people that said I'd never make it. I'm comfortable living within my means but I want to be successful just to show others I'm 100 times better than they ever thought I would be.
I love gold and the shininess of it. Likewise I also love jewelry, and money. All of it brings me joy from just looking at it. I wish I could be Smaug on that horde of gold coins. I think I have jewish blood or something.
>>25558065>dates dimwitted average looking whores>durr women are not worth it
>>25561787Sure dude. You really sound like you've self-actualized emotionally and spiritually.Good luck.
To quit wagecucking
>>25562086>average lookingDoubt it, only the elites can get average looking women these days.
>>25556076B A S E D
>>25555803Me too anon. It feels very dumb but I can’t help how I feel. Probably comes down to me having moobs (I’ll probably need gyno surgery) and cumming too quickly. Sex always felt nervewracking for me with regular girls. I always felt they didn’t really want me and just settled with me for the time. Doesn’t help that a lot of the ones I liked stopped liking me, and it confirmed my bias.When I fucked hookers, I knew they didn’t care they just wanted the money, so it helped me feel free during it.Again, it’s sad I know. But I can’t help how I feel. At 31 now, it’s hard to break this mindset.
>>25559124>>25559199Very interesting. I'll have to see if the actual study is published somewhere on google scholar.>>25559246Kek, what if history had it wrong all along and the holocaust was really just a series of camps turning jews into immortal super jews? You think they manipulated the history books to try and hide their secrets to immortality?
I have one life. I dont want to spend it waiting for something that never comes. If I had the money to finance my freedom, I could turns dreams into actions. If I want to go, I go. If I want to do, I do. Money is the mechanism that buys the time and components necessary to motion. Poverty looks like stagnation.
>>25555803To give my mom things she deserves and hasn't had her whole life because she sacrificed them for me
>>25562086Also i think everyone would be happy with that
>>25561872you are fucking ngmi, did you even go to the link i listed? or are you too stupid to realize levels.fyi is a website?i'm a programmer fuck nut. i'm the reason business fags like you even have a job in this society. i'm not even a high level one which you can see on that link, again www.levels.fyi for your tiny brain bizdev ass
>>25560459>yes, I had girlfriends before but not very many & it's been a long time. women for the most part have always treated me like shitare you me?
>>25561787Ironically, I think its your ego that protects you here. You get validated because you know more about arbitrary subjects than someone else? That sounds fucking pathetic. Your self image seems to be tied to status and because you have had bad experience with relationships you just cut it off entirely. Can't get hurt if you pretend you don't care about it. Its stereotypical and immature. Enjoy your lonely death.
>>25561872>You don't just "make" 300K a year from salary and bonuses unless you're already the Vice Chairman of Netflix.yeah you don't go to Wharton, you obviously can't fucking read lmao did you miss the part where I said I get stock vesting on every quarter? my next vest is 30k of stock you fucking plebeian
>>25559124>>25559199>>25562298I found the study.https://paperchase-aging.s3.amazonaws.com/pdf/5fa17ba097f8730007f0c2c5.pdfAny bio/medical fags out there that can validate if there is any merit behind this?
>>25555803Want to provide for future family. Thinking way ahead -- still need to meet the right waifu
>>25562463If you really had those jobs you wouldn't be on here with us.My families net worth is around 30 million (if you include what my grandparents are going to pass down to my mom). They said to just go for a 100K a year job because no matter how talented you are you'll disappoint yourself trying to go higher.I'm aware these jobs exist, but they are so infinitesimally rare. All the jobs I've seen on job postings for investment banking and private equity are like 80K a year.
>>25562552>Your self image seems to be tied to status and because you have had bad experience with relationships you just cut it off entirely. Can't get hurt if you pretend you don't care about it.I've never had a relationship before dingus. I'm not a college athlete or band member.> You get validated because you know more about arbitrary subjects than someone else?It's not abitrary, the knowledge I and my family posseses is why we're so rich in the first place.My family understood banking even bank in the early 1900s and partnered with the FED very early on in 1913 and grew a massive dyansty.
>>25555803>YepWomen are quite simple, you treat them like a dog.>>25556029>>25556102>>25561170>>25561341Nice way to ruin /biz/ with shills aswell
>>25562774>If you really had those jobs you wouldn't be on here with us.LMAO you are a fucking idiot anon, holy shit. don't you think i'm working right now too? literally have my laptop open at the same time i browse biz. a lot of my classmates (some have the same salary as me now) also went on biz and 4chan>My families net worth is around 30 million (if you include what my grandparents are going to pass down to my mom).lmao you don't need to larp because i btfo of your stupid ass anon
>>25562554>yeah you don't go to Wharton, you obviously can't fucking read lmao did you miss the part where I said I get stock vesting on every quarter? my next vest is 30k of stock you fucking plebeianI don't pay attention to complete liars like you.
>>25562887>I don't pay attention to complete liars like you.>My families net worth is around 30 millionlmao keep coping you retarded bitch, at the end of the day I'm here collecting my 300k salary for coding here and there and setting direction for my team and you're crying because i apparently have an impossible salary at 26 xDDDDDD
>>25562883>LMAO you are a fucking idiot anon, holy shit. don't you think i'm working right now too? literally have my laptop open at the same time i browse biz. a lot of my classmates (some have the same salary as me now) also went on biz and 4chan>I work>"My classmates"Holy fuck BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
Tired of being at multiple companies, making objective improvements that gains the company money or making things more efficient, and all I ever get is a great performance review and references. Yeah, I have been able to increase how much money I make but it’s a pittance compared to the improvements I make. Fuck working for other people. I want out.
>>25555803I want to simply have financial stability. I want to look at stuff and say “ ye i can buy it “ without thinking 10 times how much money i can spend.
>>25562967>classmates wentagain proving your lack of reading comprehension lmao, what do you think went means? i'm obviously saying they were my classmates in the past brainlet
>>25562930LOL you're crying because you can't believe that some people here actually come from real families.30 million isn't even that much in NYC. There's people with way more than my family.
>>25563014>LOL you're crying because you can't believe that some people here actually come from real families.i never said this, you must really be a disappointment for your family lmao i bet daddy paid for you to get into Wharton since you have the brain of an average neet here with your clear inability to read or deduce anything
>>25563055I have dyslexia.
>>25562930>300k salary >coderYe larping pajeet
What I want from $$>materialisticI just want a nice house, a car that's slightly nicer than my 10 y o shitbox, a dog, nicer/fitting clothes, not having to work for a living>non-materialisticBe able to provide for my parents who are seniors since they arent well off. Access to housing / healthcare / etc
I’ve made it considering where I live and I have no goals and never even had them to begin with.I am pretty weird, normal addictive shit has no affect on me and nothing motivates me.My family was always rich in a poor country so any additional money I have, doesn’t even matter.I’ve literally only cashed out like $2000 so far from my low 7 figure crypto stack to buy ledger anonymously and sometimes buy game giftcards. I don’t even see any point in the foreseeable future when I’ll cash it out. Also no ambition to raise a family and parents are cool with me being mgtow.
>>25563169300k total comp is not at all uncommon for people with 3-4 years of experience in the valley. I'm surprised that dude was met with so many calls of 'bullshit'... you guys need to look up salary charts for SWE
>>25563102retard confirmed>>25563169i literally posted a picture of my unvested stocks you dumb nigger
>>25556894who are you calling pathetic lmao you cant even get laid and you are poor gtfo kid
>>25562834>I've never had a relationship before dingus. I'm not a college athlete or band member.Yeah and it shows. What about a friends? What makes you think you need to be an athlete or band member to get a girl? I mean you come across socially retarded and egotistical. Would you want want to date/fuck you? >It's not abitrary, the knowledge I and my family posseses is why we're so rich in the first place.>My family understood banking even bank in the early 1900s and partnered with the FED very early on in 1913 and grew a massive dyansty.Wow, amazing. I don't care. You know who cares? Other insecure assholes who also need to get validated by money and their degrees. You think they are friends? Its smoke and mirrors dude. Anyway, enjoy the rat race. Just make sure you don't die alone surrounded by hookers in your mansion.
I want to get rich to be able to legally get back at those who wronged me. Lawyers are too expensive my man.
>>25563406I come from a rich Jewish NYC family. My family is the type of family /pol/ makes thread after thread about how we run the entire world.>poorLOL no.
>>25555803Girls are not a problemFor me it's the freedom, I wanna make music and art, so it would be nice to not work 8 hours + commute everyday doing manual labor. When I come home I have to force myself to work on any of my projects and it's just no fun that way, I'm so tired bros and I'm destroying my body for pennies..
LMAO @ all those retards ITT who think money will fix their core personality problems.Just pathetic.
>>25563427>Yeah and it shows. What about a friends? What makes you think you need to be an athlete or band member to get a girl? I mean you come across socially retarded and egotistical. Would you want want to date/fuck you?I don't act like this in real life you dumbass, I have a very polite persona>Wow, amazing. I don't care. You know who cares? Other insecure assholes who also need to get validated by money and their degrees. You think they are friends? Its smoke and mirrors dude. Anyway, enjoy the rat race. Just make sure you don't die alone surrounded by hookers in your mansion.Actually that sounds like an awesome way to go.
>>25563776>LARPing as a kikeHow pathetic and dull is your life, fren?
>>25563822>MUH PERSONALTIYYou're a massive idiot.
>>25557573Get out of here, Sauron.
>>25563932You are a massive autist if you think money can save you from your pathetic mindset.
Freedom to follow my many interests and hobbies.
The same fucking thing over and over again>MUH MANY HOBBIESIf you have so many hobbies and golfing isn't among them, what's stopping you from doing them now?>MUH FREE TIMEIt's your poor time distribution>MUH JOOS>MUH NIGGS>MUH EVERYONEThere is an easy way out if you can't handle the world around you ;)
>>25563967Girls don't reject me because i have autism, if i was good looking they'd overlook it.In fact, at clubs when the music is blaring and everyones a few drinks in, do you think girls care about your "oersonality"? How'd they know i have autism at clubs? Why do they reject me there.
>>25555803>What Motivates You To Get Rich?My hearing is shit but not shit enough for me to live off disability welfare, so I have to work.I have been able to get a much better job that flipping burgers though because I have a masters degree, but still my hearing is too shit for this shit. I want enough wealth to avoid working every day.
>>25564096>MUH APPEARANCEYou just reek of autism, my friend.Years of browsing this shithole has killed your remaining personality if you even had one.Even if you had the perfect face and body, your repulsive behavior would scare everyone away.Come up with as many excuses as you want.Won't change a thing, bud
>>25558511Same. We need a transhumanist board or group for all the anons who make it to come together. We can pool our money into a laboratory, and use our autism to cure inceldom and many diseases as well as reaching immortality and erasing low IQ and violence in all populations. We can make earth a paradise
>>25564201How would girls know about my personality or autism in a club with blaring music where you can't even hear each other?
>>25564247So there are the only situations where you blame your ugly face and fat and hairy body?Fucking pathetic incels smfh
>>25563014>LOL you're crying because you can't believe that some people here actually come from real families.>30 million isn't even that much in NYC. There's people with way more than my familyThere are people worth more than 30 million? Wow. Did you learn that at Wharton?
>>25555803Being rich means freedom. I’m buying a modest house with like 80 - 100 acres and never worrying about money again.
>>25555803>not wanting to be a wagie>paying for TRT, mk-677, finasteride, minoxidil, RU-58841, microneedling, LLT, scalp PRP injection, retin-a, hyalauronic acid, vitamin C serum and DHT gel for various looksmaxxing endeavours>hiring a professional photographer to do a photoshoot for some tinder photos>visits to the better nightclubs and party holiday locations (Ibiza, Bali, etc.) with some of my poorfag but good friends who I'll help pay for>having a car that isn't a shitbucket but also won't cost me a significant chunk of my net worth or income>anonymously funding random far-right and conspiracy theorist individuals and organisations around the world for banter>making my own gym that has all of the exact equipment I want
>>25560313his inexperience makes him closer to the truth than you areyou've likely had relationships while wagecucking or college which meant you couldn't devote full time to it and it ended up a sexless thing. this soured you on the whole experience and you're starting to morph into the first stage of boomer i-hate-my-wife-haha-marriage-means-no-sex-am-i-right?a completely different world opens up when neither money nor time are problems. indulge and entertain your girlfriend and she will go with whatever weird sex fetishes you have, for as long as you want
>>25564335Relax and go to /fit/ and /r9k/.If you think money can fix your subhuman genetics, you are living in a wrong reality, schizo
>>25564394>wahhh don't improvecrab in bucket retard mentality, you do you boyo
>>25557177This is your brain on pol
>>25564335this is some normie shit bruh. fuck people and fuck caring about their thoughts or judgements. i want freedom so i can make music, learn to paint and draw, focus on my physique, play vidya, and do whatever else i want with my time. i try to keep my money goals from being related to impressing others
>>25564306It's proof the problem is due to my looks.If it was exclusively my personality, then I shouldn't have any problems at parties where pesronality doesn't come into play Also im not fat, im super /fit/>>25564394I'm already as fit as possible dumbass, most incels are.
>>25564463No amount of improvement can fix you, I can guarantee you that.Also your ways of "improvement" and laughable, not to say pathetic.
>>25555803I want to hire the world's best team of lawyers to get Ted Kaczynski out of prison
>>25564467This board is basically /pol//pol/ encourages reproduction.I'm an antinatalistic.
>>25564506You are the one larping as a jew ITT.Let me say this once: even with a 10/10 face, no woman would go with a subhuman whose hobby is to pretend to be a kike in a basket weaving forum
>>25564328This is the kind of house I want. I would turn the surrounding woodlands into farm
>>25564581incredibly fucking based, this dude is a pathetic larp
>>25564463>WAHHHH SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CALL OUT BASEDSCIETY WAHHHH
>>25564581>Damn, I really want to lose my kissless virginity but girls can somehow sense I larp as a Jew on an internet forum, if only I had a better personality and more interesting hobbies.
>>25555803So I can buy a Rhodes and do nothing but noodle on it all day
>>25564696You are 52 post now, buddy, even if you make 50 more filled with your little excuses, this won't change the fact that you are a little larper, which is the lowest form of life on Earth.
>>25564096I got the same problem as you and its annoying as fuck when people try to convince you that it's your fault. Fuck all that. We're gonna get rich and get surgery and proceed to make women cry
>>25564836That's exactly what I plan to doGet rich and then use it to reject women and make them feel like SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
>>25564770most based comment in this entire thread
>>25564096Show half face pic so we can see how ugly you are
>>25564836>>25564864You won't receive any offers from non-trannies in order for you plan to succeed.
So I can quit my job and spend the rest of my time trying to deep meditate so I establish contact with the the lizard people that live underground.I'm nearly at 500k, just need 1.5m more.
>>25564919>An uber rich guy isn't going to get offers.
Everyone wanna know how I know nobody here will ever make it?It's simple. Those who go out of their way to talk about their grand ambitions in life are those who don't put in any work to accomplish them.You are all talk, that's the harsh reality.Whether you accept it or not is your own problem.
I literally just like watching number go up
>>25564919Hey dude just kill yourself. Honestly just fucking do it
>>25555803i just don't want to be a wagiei live simply anyways and not having to wage would be super based
>>25565060What a fucking faggot
>>25565110Yo, did I touch a nerve? Hit too close to home?
>>25555803I just want what my Boomer parents had: a small comfy house with a nice garden, a decent but not extravagant car and enough spare change to not worry about daily expenses.Apparently if you have enough money to afford all these things nowadays you're considered rich, so there.
I just want to buy my parents a house and fuck decent looking trannies
€41Mil. hereMost important point : do what YOU feel like doing and make a point of never listening to obnoxious know-it-all like the one in this thread telling everyone it's all about power, social ladder climbing and whatever.One must learn to be rich. And it's mostly about embracing the fact that you bow to no one. You report to no one. You are a king in your own right. Do what satisfies you. Not what you're "supposed" to do, what "real men" do, what "a decent person" should do. Piss on morals, laws, religion, tradition. Those are here only to keep the sheeple in line. In-fucking-dulge my dude.A steady stream of high end escorts is enough entertainment for life. It's not the only one but if thats what you feel like, fucking go for it, and if at some point you feel like chasing something else, change your target. If at some point you want to settle, have a wife, two kids, go. Change your mind 4 years down the road, go. Hitchike around the world, go. Live like a recluse in a cabin somewhere, go. The wordl is your playground. Live life like a shitposter on steroids. Nothing matters. Also, you choose to be happy or not.As long as you have more the next year than the last, you're set.
>>25565228>Enormous faggot LARPER here
>>25565173Nah i just want you to kill yourself cause youve got nothing better to do than be a faggot and shit up this board
don’t be a fool who take part in these shit tokensdon’t make a problem and trade with 0.5$ price resistance just follow fucking top MTLX and make x5 for a month
>>25565291Shitting on pathetic losers is always better than being the pathetic loser itself.
>>25555803I don't want to be crazy rich but just enough not to feel the pressure of life.I don't want to be a slave to my income.I want my daughter to be well off.
>>25565270You wish :^)
>>25555803I want my own kingdom. The idea of becoming wealthy and simply living in complacent hedonism repulses me.
>>25565228>One must learn to be rich. And it's mostly about embracing the fact that you bow to no one. You report to no one. You are a king in your own right. Do what satisfies you. Not what you're "supposed" to do, what "real men" do, what "a decent person" should do. Piss on morals, laws, religion, tradition. Those are here only to keep the sheeple in line. In-fucking-dulge my dude.>A steady stream of high end escorts is enough entertainment for life. It's not the only one but if thats what you feel like, fucking go for it, and if at some point you feel like chasing something else, change your target. If at some point you want to settle, have a wife, two kids, go. Change your mind 4 years down the road, go. Hitchike around the world, go. Live like a recluse in a cabin somewhere, go. The wordl is your playground. Live life like a shitposter on steroids. Nothing matters. Also, you choose to be happy or not.whether you're larping or not, i think this mindset is key. life is short.
>>25565559That little emote at the end is a proof of an inexperienced little LARPER.You can do better next time.Try with a smaller lie.
>>25555803I just want to make enough so I can provide a much better than average life for me and my gf. Own a house or two. Be able to travel regularly. Im still gonna wage slave hopefully at a law firm but if we are happy thats all I care about
Control. Power as well. I seethe at the thought of the global elites playing games with the average wage slaves life and money. As cringey as it sounds, I want to take back what (((they))) have taken from us. Also, I don't want to be a parasite on my family or society as a whole.
>>25565682>Power as wellYou do realize that requires actually going out of your home and speaking with real people, right?
>>25565414Yeah..no one who is happy with themselves enjoys making fun of people. When people are happy, they are better people. So your situation is probably immeasurably worse. Im picturing you as either fat or poor and nothing you say can convince me otherwise
>>25565559You're unironically the most based person i've met.
>>25565890Great logic sherlock, but that doesn't apply when mocking losers for their autistic behavior online.Sorry for breaking your reasoning :)