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Welcome to the Monero General, dedicated to the discussion of the world's leading decentralized p2p privacy cryptocurrency!

Monero is secure, low-fee, and borderless, meaning users can send XMR around the globe despite corrupt governments or broken financial systems. Innovative privacy features such as Ring Signatures, Stealth Addresses, and Ring CT (hidden tx amounts) ensure that Monero's blockchain is obfuscated -- the financial history of all Monero users is encrypted from the prying eyes of adversaries on a public blockchain, with the proof of the transactions being possible by a Monero user willingly providing a view key for a specific transaction if needed.

Monero has also improved upon the scaling downsides of the current popular cryptos. To avoid high fees, dynamic block size ensures that the size of the blocks will increase as the amount of txs goes higher. Further, the mining network algorithm Random X establishes that anybody with a CPU can participate in mining, preventing the ASIC miner domination that creates a high barrier of entry. Lastly, the mining network will be preserved by Tail Emission -- instead of the block reward falling to zero like with Bitcoin, the block reward will gradually approach 0.6 XMR in May 2022, where it will forever stay. This constant linear inflation means the inflation rate will asymptotically go to zero while continuing to provide an incentive to miners to maintain the network.

If you still have questions, feel free to ask and a Monero Chad will be with you shortly.

OFFICIAL WEBSITE - https://web.getmonero.org



>Non KYC:
Local Monero
Crypto ATMs
see: kycnot.me



Gui/Cli (recommended)

IOS: Cakewallet
Android: Monerujo

>Cold Storage

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first for when moon

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Comfiest of holds.

>> No.25547829

XMR has believers and enthusiasts, but not moonboys. This thing is gonna slowly slowly slowly build for at least a year, if not several, before it pops. It ain't about the price today, it's about doing what crypto was initially intended to do: transact privately.

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>> No.25548021

the moment you sell hehehe

>> No.25548091

This is a soon to be illegal boomer pin, enjoy your future police rape for buying this shit.

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Atomic swaps make legality irrelevant, genius.

>> No.25548262

Nice to see you still post here after all these years.

>> No.25548297

I want to do an atomic swap right now, how do I do that?

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I don't have an atm in my area and I have no btc to trade but I have fiat currency but don't want to KYC. How can I obtain Monero anonymously? Am I supposed to just buy btc first? I aren't the transaction fees from btc terrible? I just want to be part of the monero gang bros, but it's too private to get in the club

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>> No.25548430

>How can I obtain Monero anonymously?
Mine it.

>> No.25548433

When's the release date ?
You can't

>> No.25548446


Use a DEX like Bisq. Otherwise, wait until the end of the year.

>> No.25548497

k, keep me posted

Seriously though I want to move some of my stacks into privacy coins in case I need to split in a hurry.

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I'm transgender and I need a Monero moon for medication

>> No.25548592

Are you the kleros tranny?

>> No.25548651

or use exodus wallet's exchange feature

>> No.25548660

>When's the release date ?

Q4 2021

>> No.25548704

You can obtain monero anonymously through localmonero. Always work with trusted vendors who have a high number of verified transactions and universally good feedback.

>> No.25548705

True, its comfy knowing that you're early

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Sheeit, Two fucking years for just a single feature.
man this crypto progress is slow.

>> No.25548795

Either localmonero or buy eth with a kyc exchange and tokenmorph it

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yeah it is i. just got a bit bored. dont wanna derail anymore generals so ill just post one sayaka and go back to being anonymous. sorry

>> No.25548849

XMR isn't the coin for attention whoring desu

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I better see some ancient BTC wallets moving once it’s out

>> No.25548921


Could try using a bitcoin atm to go from cash to bitcoin, and then use bisq to convert btc to xmr

>> No.25548977


>Sheeit, Two fucking years for just a single feature.

Work started on this in October, it'll be done by next one.

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yeeee i know sorry. had to take my nerves off the lcx launch sry sry. i wont post any further in this thread sryyyyy

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>yfw satoshi swaps everything he owns into XMR

>> No.25549226

careful anon, mods suspended me for this.
That said, yes MC will be creaming herself on that glorious day

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imagine the chaos if that happens
everyone would want to get out

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Ban evading is easier than buying monero desu

>> No.25549477

please explain
I'm still banned from posting pics lol

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Normally if you have a dynamic IP you can just reset your router (or enable/disable wifi/ restart phone if phone posting) to get around them, if you have a sticky IP you may need to keep it turned off for a while. Might be worth a shot.
However you might be range banned from posting pics, in which case even if you have a dynamic IP it won't work because every IP allocated to your provider is banned (for example I can start threads on /lit/ and /ck/ on my phone but not /int/ and as of a few months ago /biz/ bevause of range bams), these are trickier to evade. Normally they only do it to phone providers but they have done it to entire coubtries (turkey near completely and australia from making threads briefly) in which case your onky real option, if you can't mooch wi-fi from another provider, is to use a VPN, almost all free and public VPNs are already banned but some paid ones remain usable for now.
Good luck

>> No.25549784

why is there no pic where she isn't used goods

>> No.25549790

Not at all. It WAS comfy when it was like a very slightly better performing private bitcoin. Now it’s broken below .006 it is decidedly not comfy.

>> No.25549828

i just bought a pass instead, fucking hate captcha anyways and i spend 10 hours a day on this god forsaken website.

>> No.25549833

Why shouldn't I make love to (RO0t) my wife?

>> No.25549957

They'll still ban pass holders though and if you buy one to get around a ban you didn't earn you're just encouraging them to essentially extort users with sweeping range bans.
Hiroshimoot Nagasaki was accused of doing this on 2ch(annel?) btw
This is getting off topic though xmr /b/ros.

>> No.25549959

Yesterday added 2k to kraken again with SEPA and still not showing up. Usually I have gotten everything at like 12 PM next day but now it's taking long. Could it be that there are just so many more people depositing now?

Really wanting to add more XMR now that it's quite low

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this is completely on topic, fuck jannies.

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>Not at all. It WAS comfy when it was like a very slightly better performing private bitcoin. Now it’s broken below .006 it is decidedly not comfy.

The current whims of an irrational and exuberant market have no bearing on the core fundamentals of Monero. XMR is a long-term hold with excellent prospects, thats why we're comfy.

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>> No.25550212

Sepa payments can take up to 3 days so no worries itll come

>> No.25550349

If you upgrade your Monero to 0xMonero it can't be tracked, blacklisted, or delisted.

>> No.25550372

Question for monero chads: How are future governments going to prevent tax evasion/money laundering through Monero? If its not happening already?

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>> No.25550413

the only shit they can do is force delisting
after they realize resistance is futile, imo as on XMR anon suggested to me, they'll force adoption on cuckbase etc... to attempt to track as much as they can
in other words, Monero wins!

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>> No.25550488

newfag here, Lets say XMR will get delisted everywhere, and the price dumps wouldn't it be wiser to then buy the dip? I currently only own 2XMR because I'm a poorfag and will start wageslaving next month. I will hodl those 2XMR for life tho..

>> No.25550492

So you think Monero is literally going to starve the governments of the world as people start to just stop paying taxes? What could possibly go wrong lol

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nope. 0xmonero is still vaporware bullshit
just like the last hundred times you spammed it
stfu you stupid bastard

>> No.25550609

easy solution: force companies to reveal view key. income tax/sales tax/alcohol tax etc. can be directly collected from a few coporations, rather than the cosoomer

>> No.25550622

I'm not saying it's supposed to be used for tax evasion
all I'm saying they're trying their best to crack it and they could not, so they'll attempt to force adoption on KYC exchanges
and no I didn't say the the people would stop paying taxes

>> No.25550668

>starve the governments of the world as people start to just stop paying taxes
>What are tax havens ?
This shit has been happening for hundreds of years. Xmr is the crypto version

>> No.25550704

I hope so. Too bad it's not coming out for another year, if's going to be way too late to the party I fear.

>> No.25550875

But couldnt a company have a good goy govt approved wallet and then a private wallet which the state dosent know about?
sure of course some people have been evading tax, but tax havens arnt available to everyone and every company. monero is.

>> No.25550998

I think this is my best option but this sounds complicated. Never have done anything local before.

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>Question for monero chads: How are future governments going to prevent tax evasion/money laundering through Monero?

With atomic swaps operational, they can't stop anybody using Monero. They can delist it, ban it, whatever, as long as some other major crypto is available XMR can be easily acquired.

So, they might declare cross-chain swapping illegal, which will be even more hilarious since there is no way of actually knowing an atomic swap has happened.

Like it or not, a fuckton of black money will be rolling into Monero's marketcap in the coming years, so strap in for blast off.

>If its not happening already?

It is, the heavy hitters are currently moving into crypto.

>Criminals laundered $2.8 billion in 2019 using crypto exchanges, finds a new analysis

>Latin American crime cartels turn to cryptocurrencies for money laundering

>Cali Drug Cartel Member Arrested for Crypto Money Laundering

>> No.25551101

In theory couldn't the entire population get out of paying tax this way though? There would be significant global ramifications to this (good or bad)

>> No.25551165

Do this>>25548921
got a btc atm, don't KYC, you only need 0.07 for the deposit on you bisq transaction. Buy more btc anonymously there and then swap for XMR. Simple as.
t. low iq anon who found this easy

>> No.25551232

>But couldnt a company have a good goy govt approved wallet and then a private wallet which the state dosent know about?
You mean like companies have the good accounting book and push the rest of their profits through tax havens?

> sure of course some people have been evading tax, but tax havens arnt available to everyone and every company. monero is.
If everybody is avoiding tax, nobody is.

Don't get me wrong, I know that taxes are required for the prosperity of a country. But if you debase your own currency and have like 0.01% return on savings accounts (lol), track every fucking transaction and let companies fuck you over, don't be pissed that some of your people are building a replacement to your BS "money".

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*cheep cheep*
>Y not accumulate while they are cheap?

>> No.25551261

High iq nigga

>> No.25551360

Bullish. So you think they will either force delisting to discourage adoption or they will adopt it to try to gather metadata and create baited wallets?

>> No.25551461

>In theory couldn't the entire population get out of paying tax this way though? There would be significant global ramifications to this (good or bad)

You'd have to be getting paid off the books to begin with and preferably with crypto. So, income tax isn't really going to be that much of an issue, its more ill-gotten gains and undeclared offshore assets that will find great utility in XMR.

>> No.25551510

Your second thought is correct.
The only way to loosely track who had Monero is through the collection of massive amounts of metadata.

>> No.25551549

I have a single gaming computer with a 1070 wtf

>> No.25551554

nice story bro

>> No.25551680

the hashes to the installer the mining link don't match unless I'm doing something wrong

>> No.25551700

Its cpu mining, but if you dont have free electricity you will only get profit in the really long term

>> No.25551744

Which one did you download, exactly?

>> No.25551773

Google xmr stak
The mining section in the OP needs to be adjusted.
Any mining anons want to write a pastebin guide for mining? Seems like we always have a handful of mining questions in these generals

>> No.25551777

Truth stings doesnt it, bitch?

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>> No.25551993

and that my brother is bullish as balls

>> No.25552011

yo bros anyone feeling like you need to join a thieves guild to use your xmr fo buying things etc.? This always fucked my feeling for xmr.

>> No.25552062

There's a supported vendor list floating around somewhere, or you can use xmr.to to send BTC (or any other crypto) for payment.

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>> No.25552097

You do need to be on a VPN though

>> No.25552186

only if you depend on the privacy features

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>xmr thread

>> No.25552201

Nice to see you here from tangram

>> No.25552376

Haven't used telegram in three years. This meme has been around since before the GUI came out.

>> No.25552420

Two pronged attack. They'll attack the network continuously (they're doing this right now, or at least probing at it/poking at it to see dev response) and they'll shut down centralized exchanges or make it much more difficult to exchange BTC for fiat by forcing these exchanges to be borderline hostile to their userbase. See below for details. The only exchanges left will be ones that are completely KYC/AML compliant and this will most likely entail similar "source of funds" language to discourage deposits of Bitcoin that has been washed through Monero from ever even being deposited.

This is all just speculation on my part and while I'm hopeful for Monero from an intellectual standpoint, it's hard to argue against the trends.

Link: https://i.imgur.com/LTzhbYl.png

>> No.25552453

Nah you need to be on a VPN to use xmr.to, at least state-side.

>> No.25552534

not in the eu

thought you were reffering to the tracking of ip addresses (which they do)

>> No.25552542

They fucking timed everything so perfectly. Shit just doesn't look good for us. Our xmr/btc volume on binance is like 1/4th what it normally is. This shit was organized so well.

>xrp delisted
we dump
>xrp removed from grayscale
we dump
>eth dumps
we dump
>btc dumps
we dump
>btc pumps
we dump

>> No.25552647

This was bound for a correction anon. The fact that a exchange is making a bunch of drama and we still bounced off support makes me feel good.

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Meantime, XMR adoption just keeps growing.

>> No.25552862

If I start mining Monero on my desktop PC right now, no VPN or anything, can the wallet be pinned to me in some distant future? Not looking to get rich quick on this, just build a little untraceable cash for when needed.

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>> No.25552889

that's why it makes no sense, fuck crypto is not fair.

>> No.25552899

Your second point effects all of crypto however, and if anything it pushes users towards Monero who want to avoid regulation. The more the government clamps down with KYC regulations, the more people will use Monero.
As has been said many times before, there is nothing to suggest that monero is illegal. You can't ban a p2p application and you can't ban encryption. So long as somebody reports crypto to crypto transactions and pays those taxes, there is nothing wrong with using or trading Monero.
The Fincen pdf that got released is bullish as fuck for Monero because their regulation declares (without saying hint hint wink wink) that Monero and Bitcoin are on a level playing field. There is nothing illegal about using an obfuscated public ledger.

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LCX and kleros are bullshit designed to distract you from real gains. Your female hormones may have made you as stupid as a woman, but you will never be a real one.
Its not yet too late to turn back. Reject porn, anime, video games, and whatever else made you this way.
After all that, your mind will be clear and sharp, and you will understand why XMR and BTC are great investments and your shitcoins are not.

>> No.25552941

They'll be able to see you're running a node. You can hop on a VPN and mine if you prefer, but make your payout wallet a standalone wallet.

>> No.25552946

No, it can't. Your ISP will know you were mining, but they won't know which wallet is yours or what you did with the money.

>> No.25552966

>They'll attack the network continuously
You normally have to pay for pen testing, they giving it us free

>they'll shut down centralized exchanges
bittrex was a shit exchange with barely any volume anyway.

>make it much more difficult to exchange BTC for fiat by forcing these exchanges to be borderline hostile to their userbase
they'll try, yes, but it'll require coordination from many contries to work well. The world can't even figure out whot to deal with the pandemic in unison, so this will be a challange

>"source of funds" language to discourage deposits of Bitcoin
I hope not, that'd just create more hassle for us. Well, we see how it pans out. Never put in more than I'm willing to loose, and I'll go down with the ship if I have to.

>> No.25553042

>Fincen pdf
have a link? I'd like to read the source

>> No.25553201

Some Bitcoin news which eerily echoes what's already been happening with Monero:
Essentially they will be putting together a mining pool which is intended to control 7.6% of Bitcoin's hashrate, with the intention of censoring any transaction the U.S. Treasury doesn't improve of. I feel like XMR is gonna be a precursor to something big coming soon...

>> No.25553217

>that's why it makes no sense, fuck crypto is not fair.

It makes perfect sense once you realize this current crypto market is highly irrational and fueled by speculative hype and short-term gains chasing.

Monero's fundamentals are very solid and that is why its gradually overtaking BTC on the darknet and will likely end up the reserve cryptocurrency of the global shadow economy.

So, have patience and know that your XMR investment will eventually yield you fantastic gains.

>> No.25553448

>It makes perfect sense once you realize it doesn't make any sense
I mean....

>> No.25553666

>it doesn't make any sense

>Greater fool theory states that bubbles are driven by the behavior of perennially optimistic market participants (the fools) who buy overvalued assets in anticipation of selling it to other speculators (the greater fools) at a much higher price. According to this explanation, the bubbles continue as long as the fools can find greater fools to pay up for the overvalued asset. The bubbles will end only when the greater fool becomes the greatest fool who pays the top price for the overvalued asset and can no longer find another buyer to pay for it at a higher price.


>> No.25553803

Oh, and Monero is mentioned 7 times, more than all other cryptos except Bitcoin.

>> No.25553824

the windows installer and the windows zip

>> No.25553845

What's good fellas?

South American anon here. I've been feeling extremely drawn into monero lately after realizing just how compromised crypto actually is (segwit etc). I am a poorfag (own about .3bt) and was contemplating putting about a third into monero. Although I am thinking about instead taking out some gains and purchasing a desktop computer to mine xmr.

You lads got any suggestions? Thanks.

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>> No.25553992

Buying a pc to only mine on it is such a bad idea, hardware prices are already trough the roof. Mining XMR is not very profitable, ETH is changing to POS soon, next gen hardware is hitting the shelves soon pushing the difficulties even higher

>> No.25554232

Really? The way I see it is it to be a long term game. I think it will take a while for XRM to moon so I was thinking that in the meantime I could mine it and store it. I have very cheap power compared to you guys in the 1st world. It does sound concerning that you're implying my hardware could be obsolete soon though. And again since I live in the 3rd world I don't need too much to 'make it'. And maybe, just maybe I won't use theoretical XMR to turn it into fiat.

Fuck hoboglomo and whichever financial system they want me to be hooked on.

>> No.25554279

>if anything it pushes users towards Monero who want to avoid regulation
Maybe. Or maybe it pushes people back toward low-tech methods like local transactions with fiat cash. Monero is a solution so long as there is an economy to support its use, but currently it does require a medium like bitcoin to keep it liquid, but this market is still basically in its infancy so who knows.
>The more the government clamps down with KYC regulations, the more people will use Monero.
>As has been said many times before, there is nothing to suggest that monero is illegal.
Agreed, but they can sure as hell try to make it difficult.

>> No.25554335

Btw here is something I've been sharing to everyone I care about and working on translating.


Hope you Monerochads appretiate it.

>> No.25554336

>there is nothing to suggest that monero is illegal
And yet we get coordinated delistings. It's actually bullshit. Like how are you supposed to respond when there's no reason for the delisting. Like in Australia every exchange dropped monero on the same day with no explanation. The Australian government has never said anything about monero either, its perfectly legal. But even international exchanges blocked XMR for Australians. What the fuck is that?

>> No.25554371

monero holders are not gonna make it

>> No.25554445

this is just not gonna be our run, I really feel like monero is gonna miss this run.

>> No.25554462

I noticed the windows zip was linked to an old version of the GUI today. The others looked correct though.

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>> No.25554584

Yes. Just buy OR get into pc gaming and mine on the side so at least you have entertainment from your pc too and it won't hurt if mining profits collapse

>> No.25554609

Australia is incredibly corrupt, honestly not a huge surprise. I don't even know if you guys still have freedom of the press.

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>this is just not gonna be our run, I really feel like monero is gonna miss this run.

Relax. Daily TX keep rising, adoption is steadily growing, atomic swaps are on the way, its never been this comfy.

Think long-term and ye shall prosper.

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It's quite comfy in here, how are you doing monerobros?

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Seen like 10 minutes so far, seems to be more about the economic impact of corona than denying corona outright.

I don't think it a magic virus, it's very much real, but as the saying goes "never let a good crisis go to wasted". Fuckers in pic attached had the same idea

>> No.25555505

>Think long-term and ye shall prosper.
I agree on the long-term prospect. What monero needs is CLARITY, on regulation, on AML/KYC, all that.

By "this run" I mean these next few weeks. I would love to keep holding, but the smart thing is probably for me to flip other alts and come back to buy this at a lower price with profits.

Don't get me wrong, I love XMR on a technical level and what it stands for but I also don't want to miss out on the alt run.

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let’s get some more memes going

>> No.25555578

Is hiding transactions with 10 other decoys really enough? I feel like 1/11 odds of mixing into the network isn't really enough noise
Though I've heard with Triptych they can do it with 1/64 mixing

>> No.25555721

Triptych does increase the decoys (I think it's way higher than 64), but don't forget that those 10 other decoys were also decoys in last months transactions, last week's transactions, today's transactions, and future transactions. Triptych effectively eliminates your fear though anon

>> No.25555770

ahh fuck, turns into the "they'll microchip you" shitshow 12 minutes in. You have to be a special kind of stupid to disregard "invisible" virusses but accept invisible tech that apperantly works directly from a syringe.

>> No.25555888

The decoys are real unspent transactions from the blockchain, and both the source and destinations are random masked addresses.
There is really 0 indication and 0 metadata that could indicate which one of those transaction is yours.
And even if there were? Future transactions will use different random addresses that can't be tied to this one.
It can't hurt to increase from 10 to 16 or 32, but even as-is Monero is effectively untraceable.

>> No.25555923

>By "this run" I mean these next few weeks. I would love to keep holding, but the smart thing is probably for me to flip other alts and come back to buy this at a lower price with profits.

I get it, I just personally haven't ever been interested in risking my comfy XMR stash on bullrun trading.

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I'm trying to mine, never done it before, probably losing money and time but I just wanted to do it once

>> No.25556082

no wonder the comments said the interview gets removed of youtube
fucking shizos

>> No.25556163

Yeah the purpose of mixins is mostly plausible deniability on whether you have spent your output or if you're still holding it. Stealth addresses and hidden transaction amounts basically hide everything.

Checked. Impressive digits. Very nice.

>> No.25556185

trading never works
>doesnt work on stocks
>doesnt work on forex
>doesnt work on crypto
traders are delusional retards that provide liquidity to the market while losing their money

>> No.25556242

This if from interest, not mining, but yeah cpu mining was never very profitable unless you have free electricity.
gpu mining on the other hand is free money now because of the insane eth fees, I'm getting 4.5$ a day just from a 5 year old gtx 1080

>> No.25556331

Still no reason to delete stuff. Jewtube has been terrible lately. In fact the whole internet has been going next level with how bad it's getting with no signs of slowing down. Schizos can be annoying, especially when they're stupid but they're still the good guys in the war against the psychopaths.

>> No.25556675

best coin is best

>> No.25557006

>Still no reason to delete stuff
agreed. freedom of speech is too valuable for humanity

> Jewtube has been terrible lately
Come onto lbry/odysee super comfy place, zero censorship, very creator friendly

>Schizos can be annoying, especially when they're stupid but they're still the good guys in the war against the psychopaths.
I don't have a problem with annoying, I can close my browser whenever I want to. I have a problem with their reclessless and ego-centrism. Idgaf if you want to risk your life, but if you want free healthcare for your dumb behaviour I'm pissed and if a bunch of you fill the hospitals to the brim so they can't tend other patiants I'm furious. So for gods sake, use the "free" time you've been given to undermine these corupt shitheads from the FED, learn tech, stack piconero, whatever; but don't endager the general population. /rant

(Sorry, had to type this out, will be last offtopic post, promised)

>> No.25557270

kleros is a genius idea wtf are you talking about

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watch ur mouth boi
i can sue you in kleros court whenever i want

>> No.25557423

Someone post the img with the potential earnings compared to BTC and ETH. The research thing

>> No.25557476

We need to stop posting that. It’s like heroin for moonboys.

>> No.25557487

Don't put too much faith in that 'research', any interest group can print their opinion on virtual paper.
What you should believe in is the rising transaction count and the technical fundamentals of Monero.

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only relevant comparison for long term hodling

>> No.25557741

Agree. I have a 1000 PNK and the shit wont move. Worse, I cant sell it, because uniswap is asking half of this stash as fees.
Today, I'm following these rules:
1 - do exact opposite of what /biz/ says
2 - jump in the normie/boomer train whenever possible, as they bring FOMO to the best coins

>> No.25558029

Hi South AmericAnon!

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I got you, chad

>Don't put too much faith in that 'research', any interest group can print their opinion on virtual paper.

Satis Group, the authors of that particular projection, are actually pretty level-headed and conservative about expectations. Back in 2018 they did an hour-long podcast where they went into detail about their research methodology and how they reached their respective conclusions, it worth checking out if you'd like to know more.

>Monero $18,000 in 5 years? A talk with Satis Group.

>What you should believe in is the rising transaction count and the technical fundamentals of Monero.

In that podcast they say essentially the same thing: that the market will eventually settle down and reward superior tech.

>> No.25558258

Is Monero a good option for someone who just wants to buy things online and support non-kosher sites without having to give my soul and personal info to banks, card companies and/or payment processors, or should I stick to more "mainstream" currency like Bitcoin or Ethereum? Waiting X amount of years to get rich isn't a big priority right now, at least not compared to using cryptocurrency as currency to buy and sell products and services.

I'm in a similar situation, except that nobody in my country knows about Bitcoin (which meams no Bitcoin ATM), let alone Monero, so things like localmonero aren't an option. Mining probably isn't an option either, since the only PC I own is a crappy laptop that overheats when I do amything slightly intensive.

>> No.25558444

>Is Monero a good option for someone who just wants to buy things online and support non-kosher sites

>"mainstream" currency like Bitcoin or Ethereum
high fees and no privacy. use xmr.to for any store that doesn't accpet xmr but btc

>nobody in my country knows about Bitcoin
I bet agianst this. wanna have the ledger data leek? includes emails, phone number and post address

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>shoutout dj billybool man the only dj on the planet man for real

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>> No.25560089

>high fees and no privacy
That's one of the reasons I was opting for Monero instead of the popular choices, but I don't know where to get it without giving a truckload of data. Localmonero only has one seller who asks for a lot of details, and while is possible that there are more privacy-friendly Bitcoin sellers I can use to get Monero, I think buying from them first would defeat the whole purpose of getting a privacy coin.

>> No.25560150

Oh and throw in the element/riot/matrix groupchat for the non-telegram folk

>> No.25560245

Go through kycnot.me and find a good website to buy through anon

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these are my favorite monero images, along with monero-chan of course

>> No.25560481

ITT: retards missing out on a once in a lifetime opportunity to become rich because they rather bag hold their technology. You guys look great next to all the bank bagholders buying at 20 bucks and holding something that will never go up.

>> No.25560503

>bitcoin fully on the path to being a bankster shitcoin
>“Clean block mining” that adheres to the Office of Foreign Asset Control’s (OFAC’s) compliance standards and reduces the risk of mining blocks that include transactions linked to nefarious activities

>> No.25560554

>enjoy your future police rape for buying this shit.
but anon, how will they know I have it? :^)

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>> No.25560628

>Still down over 70% from ath
This is bullish!

>> No.25560936

This is true if you're a trader. I love Monero but there is absolutely zero argument to be made if you're into this for making money. Monero has gotten absolutely slaughtered versus Bitcoin over the past few years. It's not even funny.

>> No.25560972

i'm sure you made fun of everyone saying to buy btc under 10k too, okay sweaty?
>the point is your opinion is valueless

>> No.25561023

this mean 1 XMR is worth $3,120 in 100 years!!!???

>> No.25561131

yeah, BTC as well. used fixedfloat yesterday because of that. fee was reasonable. or find something else at kycnot.me

>> No.25561147


>> No.25561223

No, it means that if you want to own 1 millionth of the total supply in 100 years, it only costs $3000 right now.

>> No.25561263

>buying from them first would defeat the whole purpose of getting a privacy coin
you shouldn't really care to be honest. get bitcoin for cash from an atm and change it for monero (or maybe you can find a monero atm, but they are rare). look it up on coinatmradar.

>> No.25561400 [DELETED] 


No, it means thats how much XMR is valued right now (or should be).

>> No.25561517

Any site in particular you recommend? I'm a total newbie at this.

The thing is that there are no Bitcoin ATM on my country outside of the capital (which is thousands of km away from where I live). Is either buying online or mining, and I don't have the resources to mine any coin.

>> No.25561594

This is bullish.

>> No.25561770

How much was monero in 2015 you retard?

>> No.25562041

don't fight butts man, they will be the bagholders they just dont realise it

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>this mean 1 XMR is worth $3,120 in 100 years!!!???
No. It's the ticket price for privileged citadel access.
I believe XMR will reach $3,120 within the next two years.

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>> No.25562477

thanks bros

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For this BTC needs to pump as high as possible. The higher the better. At some point, it is a certainty that BTC buyers will be exhausted and were overenthusiastic of BTC vs Altcoins.

Generally, there are three connected buckets of value: Fiat BTC and Altcoins
Right now a very strong current flows from Fiat ---> BTC and moderate current from Altcoins to BTC.
At some point, the money streams are always reversing. Also, institutions will get into Altcoins it's just that they are not smart and greedy enough right now.
Besides current sentiment being bad XMR is a very good position to profit from all of this.

>> No.25562524

ahem FUCK bittrex

>> No.25562835

Damn, you're defensive.
>How much was monero in 2015 you retard?
At its high point, barely less than what it is right now, and I said "past few years" so chill out. 2015 was a long time ago in the crypto world, and in terms of Monero is basically ancient history. XMR was trading at like $20k per day volume back then. That was a completely different time.

The good news is at least we're approaching historical lows so it can't get much worse than this. Probably.

>> No.25562886

The fud is delicious

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>> No.25562970

If on the price was too kek

>> No.25563057

I basically just said the current chart is a massive buy signal if you believe in Monero. Fucking newfags in this ITT thread.

>> No.25563124


You’ve got to accentuate the positive. One (1) exchange caused a fear dump among a sea of optimism and progress.

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>bitcoin maximalists will actually defend this
can't wait for the 15th

>> No.25563198

No you said monero was a bad idea if you wanted to make money, which is retarded because monero was $0.40 in 2015.
Nobody cares that you could make more holding Bitcoin. Most of us also hold Bitcoin.
To say there is “zero argument” to invest in Monero is moonboy logic.
No you didn’t.

>> No.25563428

How are you getting apy on Monroe? Are you mining? Or is there some steak platform I don’t know about.

>> No.25563545

219% yearly gains instead of 295%
whew I think I'm gonna hang myself, why did I make such a foolish financial decision? Gonna go bankrupt over this, I'm so stupid.

>> No.25563590

Checked ‘em. Very based. Much hodl

>> No.25563813

this is the way

>> No.25564317


> 54:50 Yeah I don't know what I was more excited about, the 18k monero or the 1cent ripple.

lmao, based

>> No.25564415

>monero was $0.40
I was responding to a guy calling XMR holders bagholders. XMR/BTC is what you should be looking at to judge performance here.
>Nobody cares that you could make more holding Bitcoin
This is exactly what we are talking though.
>No you didn’t.
I said that it can't get much worse for Monero right now (speaking in terms of XMR/BTC). If you think Monero will continue to be around, then now is an obvious time to buy it.
This is cope.

>> No.25565084

> Retroactive deanonymization puts today's Monero users at the hands of tomorrow's [quantum or classical] adversaries. If practical quantum computers that can break Monero's encryption arrive at any point in the future, then users' lifelong transaction history willl become public for ingestion by the AdTech industry, stalkers, criminals, and governments.
How fucked is monero?

>> No.25565168

Pretty good considering even Google's quantum computer is essentially a 53 qbit random number generator that calculates a number between 1 and 200.

>> No.25565172

This. I have way more BTC right now despite being a firm believer in XMR's fundamentals because I believe I will be able to flip that BTC into a much greater stack when the time comes to sell. Usually XMR would just be treated like litecoin and bitcoin in terms of correlations of up/down movements (they are all just currencies), but right now all the dumb money is going to bitcoin and a few alts. Since a major support was broken recently I would rather sit this one out for a bit.

>> No.25565198


If QC can break encryption, the finance industry on the whole is fucked.

>> No.25565237

only shows that the community thinks long term, like 10+ years long term, ans is already researching potential issues.

>> No.25565325

>I will be able to flip that BTC into a much greater stack when the time comes to sell.

Make sure you time it right, atomic swaps are coming end of year.

>> No.25565346

Yeah I'm planning on doing it no later than this summer, if I wait to USE the atomic swaps to flip then I'll probably be too late.

>> No.25565575

>The only exchanges left will be ones that are completely KYC/AML compliant
wrong, the demand for monero (freedom) isn't going anywhere; assuming demand remains, with each exchange displacing monero users/traders to other exchanges, the competitor exchanges actually benefit from each closing of other xmr pairs.
in other words, if XMR total trading fees = 100k per day, and bittrex closes down having had 1% of that volume...there is now 1k more per day for competitors to capitalize on.
in other words, game theory dictates that greed will always fulfill the demand for free btc/monero exchange. furthermore, this entire debate will be rendered useless by 2022 with atomic swaps coming out.

>> No.25565633

thanks fren

>> No.25566375

It is not up to anyone to know how i spend my money. Shut up.

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>> No.25567780

You're leaving out the calculation as to whether or not the trading fees for centralized exchanges on any increase in Monero volume is worth the hassle of dealing with more targeted threats from governments to delist privacy coins. One less centralized exchange with an XMR/BTC pairing shortens the list of exchanges governments feel tempted to bother. As soon as it isn't worth the exchange owners' time from a legal standpoint, Monero could be at risk for getting delisted. Not because it's expressly illegal, but because the exchanges decide it's not worth dealing with the aforementioned "source of funds" brick wall that Monero represents.

tl;dr - Centralized exchanges generally suck and I agree that we need atomic swaps or good DEX solutions like Bisq to gain traction and volume so that a truly independent Monero economy can start to thrive.

I agree. Don't shoot the messenger.

>> No.25567820

Whats the timeframe for Monero (according to monerbros, I know its just speculation). Atomic swaps by 2022 so make it by 2026? BTC prices by 2030?

>> No.25568097

>... is worth the hassle of dealing with more targeted threats from governments to delist privacy coins.

this is why the future is bleak until atomic swaps, dexs and regulatory clarity. The fact that banks are going after privacy coins when billions are laundered in normal usd everyday makes no sense to me. Like there is no legal basis to assume privacy coins are used for nefarious purposes only.

>> No.25568609

which report is the pic from?

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ello fren, ahem yes fren it's plebfrem you have time to make it too, yes accumulate and hodl now, after this alt coin season ends put profit in moonero and take out a small line of credit to top it off paying it in the mean time while waiting for the moonbase, ahem, 50 Mooncoins for a ticket to make it

>> No.25568648

how do you jeets us cake wallet to exchange btc to xmr?

>> No.25568693

how is the future looking bleak? We got delisted from a literal who exchange.
> the hassle of dealing with more targeted threats from governments to delist privacy coins
did you look at the fincen documentation? The government regulations being proposed make it clear there is no difference between Bitcoin and Monero with regards to on-ramping.

>> No.25568758

I'm not sure I trust incognito enough for this but maybe I should try some.

>> No.25568859

1 XMR will always equal 1 XMR

>> No.25569004

I like this post

>> No.25569086

>*Every industry
Tbh if a QC is designed to break encryption, couldn’t a second QC be designed to create an encryption?

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where can I buy monero?

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Why don't people throw those accusations at you if you withdraw cash from an ATM? Is it just too established for them to FUD (without relying on the chinese virus of course)?

>> No.25569300

>which report is the pic from?


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why not?

>> No.25569349

Because they are either pajeets/maxis trying to suppress the price or newfags whose minds have been cucked by the former. Also, they could be glowies. Thus the Trinity of biz shit posters is complete.

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ehem frens, would you wait to cash profits from this bullrun into monero or just buy it now? I'm asking for a frenpleb

>> No.25569353

It's projection.
They want to make you feel bad for putting money into something that they recognize as powerful.

>> No.25569383
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Because if you purchase monero you will inflate the price, meaning I will get less as I continue to buy.

>> No.25569424

Has anyone used Changelly here to buy monero?

>> No.25569540

>don't want to KYC

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>you WILL be forced to KYC your crypto.
Yeah fuck no. Fuck the IRS CIA MIT no-brain monkey niggers.

>> No.25570636

I took some profits and put them into Monero after the big dump, but I’m still waiting on this ETH run

>> No.25570640
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If this comes true XMR will be the last exit opportunity for many undeclared crypto holdings.

>> No.25570924

Hence atomic swaps being so mission critical.

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Imagine not investing in the project that will actually fight banks, as Satoshi wanted.

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Just you wait

>> No.25571598

Go to coingecko, click on developers and sort by contributors. That’s all you need to know. Monero is 3rd right after ETH in terms of development activity. If you done have a bag of this shit you’re an idiot.

>> No.25571875

Based picture

>> No.25571987

>literal who exchange
Newfag alert.
>The government regulations being proposed make it clear there is no difference between Bitcoin and Monero with regards to on-ramping
Treating Bitcoin and Monero the same in this regard is not necessarily some kind of bullish indicator for either. The fact that the government is getting wise to forcing exchanges to not only KYC their users but also KYC "covered wallet counterparties" as well as filing reports for every large deposit/withdrawal should be alarming for both Monero and Bitcoin. Imagine needing to broadcast your Monero wallet details with your home address to some centralized exchange/bank so you could make a withdrawal of $3000 or more XMR from that exchange. It's bullshit and should be another nail in the coffin of centralized exchanges.

All that said, this news might speed up development of atomic swaps and push more volume to DEXs. Basically what >>25568097 said.

>> No.25572313

>Newfag alert.
Bittred had unironically 0.07% of all Monero volume. Fuck off maxipad.
>Treating Bitcoin and Monero the same in this regard is not necessarily some kind of bullish indicator for either.
It's bulllish for Monero because you keep bringing up the (completely incorrect) point that governments are targeting Monero, when the reality is governments are targeting all of cryptocurrency.
And as already said, the government amping up regulations will all else equal push more people towards Monero.

>> No.25572342

>newfag alert
Being a retarded oldfag is worse than being a newfag. You probably still use coinmarketcap to check prices. You’re a fiat loving bitch who is obsessed with cashing out. The point of XMR is to use it. Otherwise it’s just the digital version of a shiny rock.

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How much % of your portfolio is in XMR?

>> No.25572414

The writing is on the wall but >>25571987 can’t formulate an interpretation unless it’s regurgitated incorrectly to him by a BTC Twitter persona.

>> No.25572452

70-80% at all times. Something moons? Move profits to XMR until balance is achieved.

>> No.25572498

23% atm, rest is ETFs
still stacking tho, I'm dollar cost averaging both and will let the XMR grow /makeit/
incase it never happens the ETFs are backup

>> No.25572591

how do you buy xmr on the cake wallet with btc?

>> No.25572998

Bitcoin is garbage.
>(completely incorrect) point that governments are targeting Monero
I never claimed they were only targeting Monero. They are targeting crypto in general but Monero represents a very obvious "fuck you" to KYC/AML and my speculation (what I called it) is that exchanges will soon feel pressure to report withdrawals with KYC information. The guy who runs Kraken seems like a bro though, so at least we've got that going for us. Read the report you keep referencing.
>the government amping up regulations will all else equal push more people towards Monero
We've been saying this for years. I don't doubt it but the ecosystem is obviously not ready yet. Atomic swaps and DEX volume/liquidity is critical.
>You’re a fiat loving bitch who is obsessed with cashing out
>talks about altcoins mooning two posts later

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such an accurate image. we aren't telling people to buy Monero, everyone should go for Bitcoin for the benefits of a cryptocurrency vs fiat. but when the time comes they'll realise they need Monero more than anything

>> No.25573075

25% currently.

>> No.25573461


https :/ / .discord .. gg/ mKRm3py9

>> No.25573626

are you seriously going to pretend that you aren't a maxipad after you already gave us the "oh you should only measure Monero in Bitcoin" spiel, or after being completely wrong about how much Monero has risen since before the last bullrun? Yeah, okay buddy. Nobody does that other than bitcoin maxis, and we deal with a lot with them, especially the ones who stink up these generals with bogus claims about XMR such as "there is absolutely zero argument to be made if you're into this for making money". kek.
> is that exchanges will soon feel pressure to report withdrawals with KYC information
yeah they already do this
>Read the report you keep referencing.
why even add this sentence? is this to try to de-legitimize what I've been telling you all along (that Monero and Bitcoin are looked at in the same way...and that your speculation that Monero is looked at differently has no standing?). You literally said that exchanges would have to deal with "the hassle of dealing with more targeted threats from governments to delist privacy coins". Post a source for your theory or get out, because it's not what's in the document that you say I should be reading. The only country who has vocalized this is Austrailia and even there Monero isn't illegal, you just can't onramp with exchanges.
>We've been saying this for years. I don't doubt it but the ecosystem is obviously not ready yet. Atomic swaps and DEX volume/liquidity is critical.
I agree with the second sentence, but the "we've been saying this for years" seems like you are disappointed at the progress.Monero boomed in 2020 with adoption and we are set up for a beauty of a year for 2021. This doomer posting is old when there is so much to be optimistic about.

>> No.25573736

oh I think Japan may have voiced this as well but again "banning" isn't really the term here, more like frowning upon.

>> No.25574647

XMR Food Chain Designation Guide:
0.) Cthulhu (200 000+ XMR)
1.) Leviathan (100 000+ XMR)
2.) Blue whale (60 000+ XMR)
3.) Orca (40 000+ XMR)
4.) Narwhal (20 000+ XMR)
5.) Dolphin (10 000+ XMR)
6.) Shark (5 000+ XMR)
7.) Black Marlin (2 000+ XMR)
8.) Wels catfish (1 000+ XMR)
9.) Tuna ( 500+ XMR)
10.) Electric eel (200+ XMR)
11.) Norwegian Delicious Salmon (100+ XMR)
12.) Gadidae (50+ XMR)
13.) Salmonidae (20+ XMR)
14.) Gilt-head bream (10+ XMR)
15.) Atlantic mackerel (5+ XMR)
16.) Herring (2+ XMR)
17.) Goldfish (1+ XMR)
18.) European pilchard (0.5+ XMR)
19.) Dwarf Goby (0.2+ XMR)
20.) Paedocypris (0.1+ XMR)

>> No.25574803
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Why all the fud for Monero out of a sudden?

>> No.25574825

got delisted from Bittrex

>> No.25574899
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long time since I've seen this posted

>> No.25574945

>xmr up
>xmr down
/biz/ logic, buy high, sell low

>> No.25575022

What's up with all these BTC vs XMR discussions? It's not like these two are mutually exclusive. Literally just buy both, what's the issue?

>> No.25575121

maxipads flexing because of their pump.

>> No.25575146

Maxis call us "shitcoiners" for some reason.

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they dont know

>> No.25575605

Guys I am retarded so explain to me in simple terms:

Are we still holding? Or are we selling ?

>> No.25575644

At least 2k eoy 2022. Hope this answered your question.

>> No.25575711

Personally I'm keeping just enough XMR to buy a few things with (an unknown amount), because I expect Bitcoin to push us down for the next few months.
Then I'll load up again.

>> No.25575832

2k in 2023 won't buy me a pack of peanuts

>> No.25575840
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I haven't touched my XMR stash since 2017, its just too damn comfy.

>> No.25576030

Is that taking Inflation into consideration?

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>yfw moreno dealer says no more coins por hoy

>> No.25577016

been holding since 2016. im buying more next month when things have settled down, really my comfiest hold.

>> No.25577083


an xmr talk channel on discord, still building please join

>> No.25577184

ok cia

>> No.25577208

hello darkness my old friend

>> No.25577400

What's the staking platform called

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>> No.25578352

Based, same

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