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25493698 No.25493698 [Reply] [Original]

Ok for real. Which coin has the best chance of replacing Ethereum? This is ridiculous. I thought the Gas fees yesterday were ridiculous, but now the have tripled and we didn't get normies attention yet. If Eth were to become widespread, Gas fees would be in the thousands, it's just not sustainable.

>> No.25493747

eth

>> No.25493794

>>25493698
unironically trx

>> No.25493858

>>25493698
Look up radix op.

>> No.25493893

>>25493698
Bnb or Icx, but only if those cunts actually put some money toward marketing outside of Korea. They have been given the green light to do SK drivers licences now, but all of their focus is on ID stuff.

>> No.25493924

Cardano is 2nd

>> No.25493931

Zil

>> No.25494037

>>25493747
>>25493858
>>25493893
>>25493924
>>25493931
None of you have a green ID, your opinions are worthless

>> No.25494043
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25494043

Ethereum

>> No.25494062

Zilliqa I think

>> No.25494093

>>25493698
Dfinity. Not released yet

>> No.25494158

nothing is going to replace ethereum, l2 is coming
15th of january bro

>> No.25494163

since when did lisk and neo have such low market cap. did i miss anything

>> No.25494175

>>25494037
The fuck does a green id mean?

>> No.25494189

>>25494037
Based ID shaming, sir

>> No.25494212
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25494212

>>25494175
is this bait or are we unironically fucked? The amount of faggitors I've seen on this board over the past week has been extremely alarming

>> No.25494222

fire protocol will replace uniswap

>> No.25494251

>>25493698
eth 2.0 is the only eth killer

>> No.25494360
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>>25493698
Replacing Ethereum with support for current coins moving over to it?
The coin that will replace Ethereum isn't even listed in your picture.
It's going to be so much fun when it does and none of you saw it coming.

/biz/ is so full of brainlets now I don't even know why I bother coming here anymore...

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25494381

>>25493698
Which of these has the broadest application potential? Ethereum is basically all DeFi right? I read somewhere that EOS and TRX are more like decentralised operating systems. How complex can those apps be? Could you build a game around mining/looting for a coin that’s native to the platform? Freemium games are part of the way already, and they have a direct fiat stream of revenue as well.

>> No.25494400

Avalanche. Funnily enough this pic took the time to put all the deadend 2016-2017 shitcoins and not the only legit ones that Vitalik himself praised and claimed it has as much legitimacy as BTC.

>> No.25494414

>>25494381
Kys

>> No.25494433

>>25494400
Eh just seen this is from may, Avax didn't launch at that time. Nevermind.

But just to note, Avalanche and Dfinity are 100% the only competitors to Ethereum, The rest are dead on arrival and have no future prospect nor any improvement and progress to this space as a whole.

>> No.25494452

>>25493698
Lmao how old is this data?
Unironically Ethereum won look for sidechains, layer 0s or layer 2 solutions that complements Eth.
DOT, Kusama, xDai, etc

>> No.25494476

>>25494251
Eth 1.5 could be good enough

>> No.25494491

>>25493698
This shit must be outdated because DOT will replace ETH in less than 2 years.

DOT was founded by the co-founder of ETH and the creator of solidity, the programming language that web 3.0 blockchains are built on.

It has lower gas fees, faster payments, and is actually scalable. It's now at 10 bucks and surpassed BTC cash as the 6th largest crypto a few days ago. If you're not all in on dot for a half decade hold, ngmi.

>> No.25494526

>>25494433
Alright, fine, you've finally fucking shilled me. I'm buying some AVAX, alt season seems to be here and this coin has been bottomed out for a while. I've been watching Dfinity for like 3 fucking years, but I have a feeling that shit won't come out for a while

>> No.25494535

>>25494414
No you. And your mother.

>> No.25494593

>>25494175
Fucking nufag

>> No.25494694

Flare/spark. Eth VM with XRP speed and fees. Already out in beta

>> No.25494736

fact nobody has said ada yet shows just how truly retarded this board is

>> No.25494773

Listen close you absolute brainlets


Fees are operating on free market

If eth hits 5 figures, gas price will be 2-8 gwei, simply because people won't be paying more.

The ONLY time when you see those kind of fees is when ETH price is pumping, demand HEAVILY outweighing supply and fee market is inefficient


Sell your ETH killer #897983984791, there is still time

>> No.25494816
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25494816

Freedom Reserve

its planned as a fork of AVAX with lower inflation.

market cap is only £100k

strong buy

>> No.25494843
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25494843

$150 for a swap on 1inch
$450 to generate a Maker Vault

>> No.25495111

Its Cardano. It's already ready, and KEVM allows migration of Ethereum dapps with ease. Its ogre.

>> No.25495151

>>25494360
that will be elrond, right anon?

>> No.25495166

brap

>> No.25495228

>>25493698
Nothing will replace it. It’s too late. Anything else is cope.

>> No.25495243

>>25494212
Time to sell

>> No.25495274

>>25495111
Check them digits. Cardano does look really good. Feels like a long term hold. Like matching jump suits future. Also a cube in the centre of the logo. But I dig it. Make it stack?

>> No.25495306

Polkadot

>> No.25495389

>>25493698
Unironically ETH. If you’ve seen the roadmap, and the track record with ETH 2.0 and you aren’t buying then no one can help you

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25495828

Thank you based Vitalik!

>> No.25496120

>>25493698
DOT

>> No.25496149

No Algorand. But I guess not everyone knows

>> No.25496331

>>25493698
Cardano and it's not even close

>> No.25496364

>>25495111
How long would a platform like say AAVE take to move to Cardano?

>> No.25496394

>>25493698
Tell that to people who staked lol.

>> No.25496425

And the ETH shitwork is used mostly by neckbeards or speculators. If this shit was even REMOTELY adopted by the mainstream population gas fees would be in the millions.

Truly the future of finance.

>> No.25496437

>>25495389
the track record with ETH 2.0 is atrocious. what are you smoking anon. getting to phase zero took 4.5 years, and that was the easy part. now Vitalik is backing away from phase 2 completely. in other words, they are never going to finish ETH 2

>> No.25496458

>>25493698
Ravencoin

>> No.25496491

>>25496364
not long a all. Cardano has a migration tool and IOHK will help teams with the migration. Apparently there's already a line that's too long for them to handle

>> No.25496526

>>25496491
Damn
Any links to Cardano resources? I got gifted some ADA years ago but thought it was a shitcoin

>> No.25496773

Tezos and Polkadot.

>> No.25496788

>>25493698
EOS

>> No.25496879

>>25496788
Heard a lot about eos too. Can it integrate Eth dApps?

>> No.25496924

>>25496879
Yes, it can be chain agnoistic. Games can also be developed with cpp, and there is already a game being made by devs with gaming experience who plan to put an NFT market place to the mainstream. Check out blankos block party.

>> No.25496927

Also what about BNB smart chain? Is it viable?

>> No.25496959

>>25496927
BNB run on Cosmos.

>> No.25496993

At this point, ETH is too big to fail. So no coin is replacing ETH. Stop being poor and pay the gas fees.

>> No.25497167

>>25493698
wheres ATOM ?

>> No.25497220

>>25496993
I agree that ETH is really big and its plethora on dApps gives it the advantage. So any coin that could ever dream of replacing it would be a chain that migrates dApps to it. If Cardano actually can do it, it might be a viable alternative. I don't believe in anything that tries to build the infrastructure from scratch
>>25495111

>> No.25497267

Only Algorand and Cardano. Only them. Both >100 billions market cap in less than 1 year.

But you just don't like money biz

>> No.25498320
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25498320

For the current style of Defi apps, that would be TRON and Binance Chain.

Both are essentially Ethereum clones (use Solidity too for example) but are much faster and cheaper, have their own version of Metamask and have something that can be called a Defi ecosystem. DEXes, lending, staking, stablecoins, ponzi games, scams, it's all there already.

Naturally lots of Pajeets who cry about getting scammed constantly too.

So the current "lets click around in Metamask to move some shitcoins into some staking contracts" - type Defi could take off on TRON and BNB very soon. It's really all about breaking the blue chip coin ETH cartel (SNX, LINK, AAVE etc) which sticks together like glue and is hellbent on not letting ETH alternatives take off (I don't know why, can anybody elaborate on this?)

I keep hearing good things about Cardano, Zilliqa, Solana, DOT, so these might take off later into the future.
I would not bet on NEO, IOTA, EOS. NEO tries to be like Ethereum, but just fails technically and from the ecosystem point of view, and IOTA and EOS are not properly decentralized.

>> No.25498379

>>25493698
>If Eth were to become widespread, Gas fees would be in the thousands
No shit.
Same with Bitcoin, and any other crypto really.
Extract as much value as you can is the name of the game.
Speculation is the worth.

>> No.25498404

>>25493698
ALGO

>> No.25498443
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Unironically ALGO or ADA

>> No.25498557

>>25497267
shill me ALGO anon
I've been eyeing both ALGO and AVAX. Both have top-tier cryptologists on their founding teams.
MIT/Stanford CS professors are at least not idiots in my experience

>> No.25498606

>>25498557
Well Algo is the perfect and industrializable ppos blockchain made by a genius.
The other is a turkish shitcoin that will never be adopted.
It's an IQ test unironically

>> No.25498662

ETH L2 is going to fix the gas issues. Any developer who is even remotely involved in the sphere will tell you that.

>> No.25498738

>>25498606
I hold both and you're definitely wrong about Avax.

In fact i give it the lead over Algo (and any other coin) purely from the technical side. But Algo is more mature and adopted hence why i hold both.

>> No.25498762

>>25498557
seriously, except bad tokenomics from ALGO (will be outweighted by the inevitable demand IMO), Algorand is a 1000 TPS blockchain, with 4s block finalty (moving to 46k TPS & 2.5sec finalty). It's an ideal smart contract platform where you can build in 4 different langages as of now, (C#, Python, ..), you can easily create assets (tokens). Fees are 0.001 ALGO.
What makes this scalability possible is its brilliant consensus with VRF random lotteries, keeping the full decentralization with speed. IMO there can't be a better design. Even Ethereum 2.0 with sharding/plasma seem unattractive compared to Algorand's probabilistic consensus.

100 billions dollar market cap is a certainty

>> No.25498789

>>25498320
best post in this thread
i have not looked into BNB too much but TRX is amazing now, because of low tx fees they can create more interactive and fun defi contracts-games, and they do
every project that takes off on ETH is immediately copied by chinese on TRX with fraction of the original price, and then gets forked into oblivion, which sometimes leads to creation of completely new ideas
not saying put everything in tron but some money, try out the smart contracts and see for yourself

>> No.25498844

I'm betting on AVAX, and Radix mid term

>> No.25498862

>>25498662
L2 may help, but is not a solution. It will require the additional step to deposit in and out of the L2. It's also possible already to put apps on L2 already e.g. with MATIC, but it doesn't seem to get traction.

The problem with ETH is that it's stuck in 15 TPS which is just way too low. It's because Vitalik is on some sort cypherpunk trip and loves to maximize muh deeehcentruhlization and have ETH nodes run on every sperm encrusted college laptop.

Performance is a tradeoff between number of nodes. Its really that simple. If you want a fast chain, the number of nodes need to be limited. This can be done while still having a fully decentralized chain.

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25498904

muh eth killer is not just a meme after all. It's a necessity. But actually there's no need for any killing, kids will still be playing with their mETH toys, while the big boys will deploy on Cardano.

>> No.25498908

>>25498738
Bro redpill me on Avax. I read the whitepaper, it has nothing to do with Algorand's quality. The blockchain aspect of Algorand and block finalty absolutely makes it usable for the industry vs Avax.

Feel like nothing serious will ever be on Avax.

>> No.25498909

>>25493698
Cardano or Monero

>> No.25498960

>>25498862
>This can be done while still having a fully decentralized chain.

How? The coins that were promoted as scalable got centralized real fucking quick. BCH and BSV are dying because the scalability caused pretty quick centralization

>> No.25498980

>>25493698
wtf is a Gas fee?

>> No.25498994

>>25498909
Monero has smart contracts?

>> No.25498995

>>25493698
It's not on this shit dead-coin chart. It's probably Hathor. You should probably mine Safex anyway.

>> No.25499023

>>25498960
TRON for example runs on 27 nodes. Anybody can run a node. The ones who have staked the most TRX actually run the nodes and produce blocks.

I was thinking, maybe nodes could also just selected randomly in certain intervals..

>> No.25499059

>>25493698
ADA & DOT

>> No.25499071

TRX is as innovative as a layer 2 like Skale or xDai. Nobody will ever run something serious on Tron because there is no trust in the chain, accept this fact.

Cardano, Algorand + Layer 2 is the ONLY future for this industry. This whole thing will go in the trillion of market capitalization.

>> No.25499097

>>25498980
bitcoin mining uses a lot of electricity, creating toxic gases. ETH is attempting to fix this by way of buying canisters of oxygen and releasing them into the atmosphere, and we have to contribute to this fund.

>> No.25499104

>>25493698
ETH allows something other coins don't, the easy build for new coins on their chain
If you think ETH will go down due to gas price, you don't understand

>> No.25499185

>>25499023
I really think Vitalik is onto something when he says Scalability, Decentralization and Security are a magical triangle, even if it's not backed by an economic theory yet, but it seems logical. You have to pick too. If a network is decentralized and secure it's hard to scale, because the standard has to apply to all new participants. If a network is scalable and secure it's achieved by centralizing on a few nodes and those become dominant just more and more over time. If a network is scalable and decentralized it is easy to exploit and you can clog the network with spam and would be attacked easily if it got any noticeable traction.

>> No.25499201

>>25498995
Hathor's Brazil-based team honestly comes across as too esoterically nerdy to be good at the business side of things. It's an academic project at best

>> No.25499208

>>25494175
I'm scared.
Is 2017 indeed re-happening?!

>> No.25499212

>>25499104
You don't understand that creating assets on top of the chain is something that's even easier on Algorand and other chains. Interoperability is coming to become the norm, then what will happen is similar to the DeFi mania of summer 2020, but x50.

>> No.25499241

>>25499104
I don't think it will go down, but for serious applications like DeFi lending platforms I just don't see this viable in the long run. There is no trust you can consistently get returns for liquidity providing if the gas fees can just x100 over night

>> No.25499265

>>25499185
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NykZ-ZSKkxM
if you are interested it's a good vid. Algorand's Founder explain to normies how his blockchain solves the trilemma. And fucking hell, it solves it with elegance, and no one serious in this business can't FUD it.

>> No.25499301

>>25493698
ETH 3.0 version faggotini.

>> No.25499317

>>25499185
I would say its really just 2 dimensions instead of 3. Decentralization = Security in my opinion. The only point of high decentralization is to protect against attacks.

>> No.25499391

Ada or polkadot

>> No.25499519

>>25499265
Thanks I'll give it a watch

>> No.25499550

>>25493698
High IQ bizlet reporting in.

Avalanche (AVAX), has a next gen concensus algorithm, everything else is running on a 41 year or 11 year old algorithm. Avalanche concensus was published by team rocket and solves the trilemma. It's already the most decentralised network in crypto. It has ~600 *FULL* block producing nodes. Processes transactions to immutable finality in <1s, which is faster than even Apple pay. Processes 4,500 TPS, 3x more throughput than visa. Plus has a unique subnet infrastructure that allows billions of individual blockchains to exist within the Avalanche network. It can virtualize every other project inside itself, which makes it more of a layer 0 than layer 1, and all fees on the network are minutely small. I've spent about 10eth ($10,000) in gas over the last 12 months to do swaps on uniswap, the same transactions on Avalanche would have cost me far less than 1 avax, probably around 0.1 avax, which is only 36c in fees.

The bridge comes out this month, plus pangolin, the new gen Dex that's launching on avax will go live right after the bridge. Swarms of liquidty will flow to pangolin because they're airdropping PNG tokens to uni and sushi holders as part of their marketing campaign.

Avalanche makes polkadot largely redundant, who would deploy millions in capital to rent a parachain slot for a few months, when you can deploy a subnet on Avalanche that has more functionality and can be deployed with less than 0.01 avax fee. I feel bad for the polkadot frens because avax will cannibalise their network. I'm still buying into new parachain projects though because people haven't yet realised that Avalanche is the best L1/L0, and then I'm using my gains to buy more avax.

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25499603

Next time invest in real projects

$FIRE

>> No.25499605

>>25499317
Decentralization and Security are actually two different factors. Decentralization is actually opposite of security because it adds more risk to a system. If you have a ledger for say your company, the risk increases with every participant of the ledger and the security system has to scale up with participants. That's the main issue crypto has to face. How you can add more people to the system without compromising on security without giving the system into the hand of a few people. It's actually not just a cryptographic problems. Governments and democracies have the same problem.

>> No.25499663

ETH is going nowhere. When arbitrum drops in a month or two, it will become 100x cheaper and 1000x faster to use ETH. Large players - uniswap, various AMMs etc are already part of the beta. Other layer 0 solutions would have the same problems ETH has if they handled the same volume. The game is already over desu

>> No.25499668

>>25499550
Shill me PNG tokens. Is it too late to get them? Should I have bought UNI and Sushi before or is the snapshot over?

>> No.25499686

Isn't Solana being shilled by Vitanus ?

>> No.25499693

>>25493698
ETH 2.0, and Polkadot is the only one that's going to be valuable enough to hold as well

>> No.25499831

>>25499668
It's a retarded fucking name for a token btw. Why would you give it the same abbreviation as a picture file format. What's next, the jpg token?

>> No.25499845

>>25496491
>what's coming:
https://youtu.be/k8a6tX53YPs
>Tech stuff:
https://docs.cardano.org/en/latest/
https://cardanorust.iohk.io/
https://roadmap.cardano.org/en/
>Cardano's On-chain Identity solution:
https://www.atalaprism.io/
>Stake pool stats & overview tool
https://pooltool.io/
>official wallet full node developed by IOHK (trustless):
https://daedaluswallet.io/
>official wallet light client developed by Cardano's partner Emurgo:
https://emurgo.io/our-products#yoroi
>IOHK youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/c/IohkIo/videos
>IOHK Video: year in review
https://youtu.be/scwxc9HruYY
>

>> No.25499953

>>25499668
The snapshot for uni/sushi was on the 7th of December. 5% of PNG supply gets airdropped to uni/sushi holders. This is genius because they're airdropping PNG to holders of other AMM's, people that understand the value of holding an AMM token and want to actively participate in governance.

The other 95% of PNG supply is for liquidity mining. So it will have the best community distribution of any coin. Far beating uniswaps comparatively centralised distribution where the uni team got a massive 30% of the supply iirc. Well the pangolin team aren't getting any special treatment, plus the forks of the uniswap code for pangolin was done by Ava labs themselves, it's already been audited and basically I'm ready to Apr in on farming it the second it goes live after the bridge.

Remember that farming on Avalanche costs practically nothing in gas fees compared to farming on ethereum.

>> No.25500042

>>25496526
sorry, forgot to include you in the reply... check this out:
>>25499845

>> No.25500095

>>25494694
>Flare
This guy is right.

>> No.25500148

>>25499212
So what's your coin of choice? If that happen all purposeless coins will get hit

>> No.25500157

>>25500042
>>25499845
Thanks bro

Looks like I gotta do some reading. I'm seriously considering ETH contenders now, but I don't wanna dump money into dead projects. Too many ETH killers that just lost money. The only projects that have a chance are those that can provide ETH dApps and convince their users to switch

>>25499953
Sounds interesting too

>> No.25500196

>>25493698
DATA FROM 6MAY 2020

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

CARDANO IS GOING TO KILL THIS FUCKING SHIT COIN ETH IN 6 MONTHS

>> No.25500299

No onse said FANTOM ? Andre built it and its technical specs are better than avax. Compatible solidity and evm

>> No.25500411

Tomochain.

>> No.25500824

If you are grumbling about gas fees ,why the hell arnt you using Honeyswap? The gas fees are nearly non existent. You can swap your tokens all day long for next to zero gas and its super fast. Im swapping between token pairs and making a killing.

>> No.25500953

>>25500824
Never heard of it, sounds like a scam. Also low liquidity I guess

>> No.25501114

>>25493698
I'm a miner and all you fees go in my belly mmm I mine it straight from your wallet tasty. Fat gas large money tasty. Yum yum. Gpu gets hot, my wallet gets taut.

>> No.25501145

let's post random letters on the internet!

I ll start;

N

>> No.25501205

>>25493698
It will come down to how easy it is to transfer existing Dapps. Ada has its KEVM, CKB is claiming native compile of any code to theirs, idk WTF STX has.

>> No.25501217

>>25495111
>KEVM allows migration of Ethereum dapps with ease
nothing special, even dead projects like ARK have that

>> No.25501329

>>25501217
True. The question is which platform will Devs migrate and push their users too? Ada and Dot are pretty big coins

>> No.25501356

>>25494163
Old coins that have stagnated with 0 adoption for 3 years straight.

Yeah I wonder why their caps are so low

>> No.25501442

>>25493698
Its not going to get replaced, deal with it poorfag

>> No.25502735

Whens ADA launching? march? Should I go all in on ADA now , would that be stupid?