/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.25164300]

Nobody in their right mind is going to buy 10k usd worth of pnk just to earn a few scraps of eth a month

[Anonymous No.25164322]

Being in your right mind is for normalfags

[Anonymous No.25164337]

there are enough nobodies in their right mind to do though, so it works and happens.
you're quite literally seeing this right now as people understand that cases 302 and 532 aren't a fluke and more disputes with more eth are going to keep popping up

[Anonymous No.25164560]

>>25164300
people take out mortgages and fix broken down properties for a regular passive rental income. When they decide to sell the house, it's usually appreciated in value and they can sell it for more. How is this any different than staking and selling PNK after several years?

[Anonymous No.25164601]

>>25164300
Nobody in their right mind is going to use Kleros for anything

[Anonymous No.25164873]

>>25164337
This.

[Anonymous No.25165629]

Kleros is going to zero.
>t lawfag

There is something called called international law already. This is token not needed

[Anonymous No.25165711]

>>25165629
Brainlet take. Are you going to invoke international law to punish the freelance web designer for doing a shitty job?

[Anonymous No.25165713]

>>25165629
You can't possibly be that stupid

[Anonymous No.25165740]

Except that I already did OP and I'm going to invest another 15k over the next three months. Gotta feed my village you know. Not all of us can be Alan from Texas to answer insurance questions.

[Anonymous No.25165782]

>>25164300
I staked 100k today. If it goes well I'm liquidating every single bit of my portfolio into PNK. This shit is going to be massive and we are early as fuck.

[Anonymous No.25165790]

>>25164300

I did. And im not sorry at all. U mad? Suck my dicj, u brown piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.25165945]

>>25165782
If case 532 resolves to yes (ie biden won) then I will have a lot more faith in the platform. There is a risk of trump cucks ruining everything rn

[Anonymous No.25165968]

>>25165945
Biden obviously cheated, there's no question of it; the election was rigged, and desu probably not only from one side but one side clearly cheated on a far greater scale. Consider suicide.

[Anonymous No.25166125]

>>25164300
SIRS

[Anonymous No.25166149]

If you can make some money on kleros by all means do so, but don't hodl because you are a fan boy for the project having drank too deeply of the kool aid. The actual use is a dogshit idea that will never become popular.

[Anonymous No.25167025]

>>25165945
I thought Tyrone's argument was solid and it should resolve to invalid. Frankly Omen should have been more clear from the beginning: instead of saying "who will win the election" without specifying even what election, they should have said "who will take office in January" or something along those lines. Obviously Biden is going to be sworn in but I don't consider the election over until one side concedes.

[Anonymous No.25167213]

>>25165629
>There is something called called international law already. This is token not needed

[Anonymous No.25167228]

>>25166149
t. "no one is ever going to use bitcoin for anything"

[Anonymous No.25167270]

sirs why this isn't in a good cex yet?
did the founders shat on cz or something?

[Anonymous No.25167315]

>>25167270
Binance wanted 10mil (iirc) PNK for free to list it. The devs said no

[Anonymous No.25167530]

>>25165629
lmaoo

[Anonymous No.25167572]

>>25165945
>If case 532 resolves to yes (ie biden won)
That would confirm that PNK is a failure desu

[Anonymous No.25167976]

>>25167315
we need to list in a proper cex
>>25165629
it's like saying fiat exists, btc not needed

[Anonymous No.25168019]

>>25164300
>implying people don’t spend $10k on a token that does nothing
Terrible bait faggot

[Anonymous No.25168070]

Will this coin make me have more sex

[Anonymous No.25168116]

>>25165945
if 532 resolves to yes I am selling my 275k PNK because it proves that the jurors are a bunch of groupthink retards who do not understand how to read between the lines

[Anonymous No.25168722]

>>25168116
More interesting will be to see if it gets appealed to a proper conclusion or if the other side just fucks off.

Also sell your stack to me friend, I'll give you 1000LINK for it

[Anonymous No.25169005]

>>25167025
Here’s the fucking thing you dumb faggots don’t realize. You can argue the semantics of anything. You could go even further and say WELL IT DIDNT SPECIFICALLY SAY THE AMERICAN ELECTION. This is the whole reason you use Kleros, because you shouldn’t have to word it in a completely retard proof way, we all know what the question was fucking saying and if you claim you don’t it’s because you’re either financially incentivized not too or you’re Trump coper. Kleros jurors want to be paid, they know what the question was asking, they’ll vote yes.

[Anonymous No.25169094]

I thought I understood this coin but maybe not. Why the hell are they having a case about who won the US election? That's not a case where the outcome of a Kleros vote will have any impact on anything. It's not for jurors to decide.
I thought this coin was for dispute resolution and handling subjective information for smart contracts. Have I misunderstood it and it's really just a platform for asking random questions? A glorified version of Surveymonkey?

[Anonymous No.25169221]

>>25169094
You misunderstood, anon. It’s for dispute resolution and handling subjective information for smart contracts.

[Anonymous No.25169250]

>>25169005
This. The answer is "yes", because everybody who made that bet understood what the market creator meant and everybody who put money down knew that if Trump lost the electoral college, then he's lost. A yes vote proves that Kleros works - a No vote proves that anyone making a market has an incenive to create a flawed one so that if they lose the bet, they can get 50% of their funds back. That's what is currently happening now - people who bet on Trump are trying to "win" their bet by gaming Kleros and making a profit. This behaviour should not be rewarded.

>>25169094
No, you're not mistaken, but you need to think bigger picture. Kleros can also be used to resolve betting market disputes. It's a very simple, logical usecase for Kleros - ask question, recieve answer, parties get paid accordingly. Check omen.eth.link

[Anonymous No.25169428]

>>25169221
That is exactly what I thought it was, and it's why I don't get the point of this case.
"Who won the election" is not subjective information, it just hasn't been settled yet. I don't know much about American politics, but I expect it will be settled by a legal court in line with constitutional requirements. Nothing will be settled or decided by a Kleros case. Asking it as if it was a subjective question feels like a partisan play and I worry it undermines the credibility or seriousness of the project. If the jurors vote one way but then an actual constitutional court rules another way and someone else gets into the White House, that just demonstrates that Kleros didn't resolve any dispute.
>>25169250
Okay, I can see it for betting markets. Where a payout needs to happen before something can be 'conclusively' settled.

[Anonymous No.25169476]

>>25169005
it's not semantics you dumb faggot. The election outcome is not finalized. A constitutional path to victory exists. The market creator, and the retards who verified it, did not account for the possibility o a contested election.

>>25169250
Here's what you don't understand, dipshit. Nobody pushing for "invalid" right now lost money on Trump. Whoever bought Trump shares at 50-50 must anhero'd a long time ago. No, the people currently pushing for an Invalid resolution are people who only purchased the shares after realizing the market was invalid according to its own rules. "Yes" holders are arguing from their backfoot. You cannot claim to know what people believed they were betting on. That is post hoc rationalization.

[Anonymous No.25169577]

>>25169428
>"who won the election by 20 December"
is a subjective call. Because under the constitution, I don't think anybody has actually won, the process isn't over. The real question here is:
>"should everyone who made a bet split the funds 50/50, meaning Trump bettors make a profit and Biden bettors make a loss, or should we just demonstrate discretion and award Biden with the win because that is what's closest to the answer, most likely to be what the market maker had in mind, and fair"
The answer should be "Biden won" because otherwise you might as well not use Kleros for cases. There would be a *massive* incentive to create invalid markets so that you can have your cake and eat it too. If this market resolves to "Invalid", then Kleros is probably done. The whole purpose of using humans instead of just using the AP call like Chainlink did is that they can show discretion. If Trump wins this bet, nobody will use Kleros in the future.

>>25169476
>people try to game kleros and make a profit by buying Trump shares and then spamming the telegram and 4chan that it should be invalid
Yes, we agree on this, and this behaviour should not be rewarded. Discretion should be shown to "cure" the defective market question, so that there is no incentive to purposefully make shitty markets. If "Invalid" wins, then you will see an explosion in bets with shit questions, so that if it looks like people are going to lose their bet they'll just point out the deficiency in the question and reclaim their funds. Nobody is going to want to provide liquidity to rigged markets like that, and Kleros cases will dry up.

[Anonymous No.25169606]

>>25169428
Your understanding is correct. It hasn't been settled yet. But the betting market was created to resolve on December 20th. So what you have is primarily a bunch of trump derangement crypto virgins who have way too much control over these "decentralized" platforms, who are using thinly veiled threats and appeals to authority in order to coerce jurors. They have even gone so far as to retroactively modify the omen market rules in recent days. You can imagine that if it were Biden pursuing the same course as Trump, these people would be much more sympathetic to the "invalid market" camp's argumentation.

[Anonymous No.25169634]

Political fags please kill yourselves. No one gives a fuck about Orange Kike or Alzheimer Kike.

[Anonymous No.25169657]

>>25164300
I have 7k pnk and I’m a uni fag with no job

[Anonymous No.25169680]

>>25169250
What do U suggest I invest? 80/10/5/5 btc/eth/link/experimental coin ok?

What job career degree would U do if U could do it all over again?

[Anonymous No.25169802]

>>25169577
I think a process being unconcluded is different to it being subjective. Although I suppose for the purposes of a smart contract that has to operate before the formal conclusion, you do need something to make the call in between.
But what you say about invalid markets is pretty much exactly my concern, and what made me initially think this wasn't Kleros' call to make.
>>25169606
Yes, I'm also worried that raising the question at all plays into the election fraud narrative and implies that the 'real' winner of the election is a subjective question, rather than something to be settled by a constitutional court (or a legal court if there turned out to be actual, legally permissible evidence of fraud). That's also something I think would discredit Kleros, because it's basically trying to make a partisan political point.
But I admit I hadn't thought of time limits on betting markets, and it makes more sense taking that into account.

[Anonymous No.25169898]

Can any anons write a guide for how to start acting as a juror? How much PNK do you need to start and actually get selected as a juror, and how much ETH can you earn?

[Anonymous No.25169923]

>>25165629
Hasn’t read the white paper

[Anonymous No.25169944]

>>25164560
Holy based never thought about it like this

[Anonymous No.25170050]

>>25169898
Don't even bother anon. It's a useless piece of shit

[Anonymous No.25170794]

>>25169898
court.kleros.io

[Anonymous No.25170903]

>>25169250
this. if he loses electoral college even if the election was rigged he still lost democracy a scam anyway lol. kleros is the future of internet curation (most of the internet will be even more of an echochamber than it is now) its NWO 4IR stuff so it will probably do pretty well

[Anonymous No.25170933]

>>25165782
What did you stake 100k in? I don't get it, what's with the "$10k in kleros" is there something I don't know?

[Anonymous No.25171393]

>>25164322
checked and based

[Anonymous No.25172174]

>>25164322
this is true which is why the more kleros koins the better

[Anonymous No.25172712]

>>25165629
Hope this is retarded fud, but I'll take the bait. No one enforces that shit whatsoever except when cartels or megacorporations are concerned. Besides kleros is more escrow than law, how much money would it cost you to make a binding contract with someone on the other side of the planet?
t.law school dropout cause practicing law is for wagies

[Anonymous No.25172806]

>>25165629
What a stupid fucking take. Plain as day retardation here folks.

[Anonymous No.25172839]

literally 0 point in kleros when we have reddit threads

[Anonymous No.25173608]

>>25165945
Don't worry, I got chosen and I'll be casting my vote for Biden. It's truly delicious watching these delusional MIGAtards lose money chasing their fantasies.

[Anonymous No.25173896]

PNK whale here and I'm voting yes from multiple wallets. Fuck MIGAtards

[Anonymous No.25174015]

>>25173896
same

The question was will Biden win the election?
Biden won
electoral count is not an election
SCOTUS rulings is not an election
Trump declaring martial law is not an election
He may not win the presidency but he won the election.

[Anonymous No.25174049]

this is the worst memecoin to ever be shilled here. you had your fun with the 10x THIS YEAR alone already. for you ATH fomo buyers, you're never gonna get to dump your bags.

[Anonymous No.25174180]

>>25174049
Joke's on you fag.
I was just a juror on a case (#473) and the court ruled that we will in fact get to dump our bags next year.

[Anonymous No.25174249]

>>25169005
This. The entire purpose of kleros is the ability to not require an autistic legal system to solve cases in an intuitively right way, relying on schelling points. Lets not pretend we need a bunch of jews overcomplicating all matters to monopolize legal matters so that only if you pay these kikes can you resolve anything. Its a bloated stinking obfuscated mess and kleros is a breath of fresh air comparatively.

[Anonymous No.25174413]

>>25174015
Yes he won the election. Thank Yes for agreeing with me. Nice to see a fellow Biden bro on here