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25048189 No.25048189 [Reply] [Original]

what is your excuse /biz/ for not listening to this guy?

>> No.25048221

>>25048189
Tldr

>> No.25048236
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25048236

>tranny post
>capitalism-just-as-subversive-as-marxism.png
>tranny filename

>> No.25048245

>>/pol/
Gtfo chud

>> No.25048266

haha I posted an anti capitalist post on the business and finances board, sp edgy XD ^^

>> No.25048281

>>25048266
>>25048245
>>25048236
>>25048221
perfect example of ignorant people

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25048287

>>25048189
I can't sneed, bro

>> No.25048307

>>25048245
it's actually a /biz/ related topic

>> No.25048308

>>25048189
Evola would have been an XRP schizo

>> No.25048338

>>25048189
wow what a dumb nigger brain

>> No.25048349

>>25048308
please explain why would an anti modern man use digital currency

>> No.25048354

Read Baudrillard.

>> No.25048359

>>25048245
you will never be a woman

>> No.25048368

>>25048338
looks like the ad hominems have just begun

>> No.25048373

>>25048349
>an anti modern man
he was literally a failed aristrocrat, a literal neet dwelling in his mom's basement not even kidding
he was not some ted bundy living in nature by himself

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>>25048349

>> No.25048423

>>25048373
his philosophy would really "profit" the whites
but some of our own people ended up supporting communism for some reason

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>>25048373
>ted bundy living in nature by himself
>bundy

>> No.25048463

>>25048395
the last sentence is absurd
having evola compare to any sort of modern right wing action is absurd
the solution is to give up on everything

>> No.25048476

>>25048463
everything associated with the current state of things

>> No.25048531
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25048531

>>25048395
>>25048189
Anyone else use magic to get rich so they have enough money to raise an army and start an empire?

>> No.25048533

>>25048395
>right wing anarchism
This said of a man who admired the caste system of India
European Studies indeed, kek.

>> No.25048555

>>25048476
>time to give up on biz

>> No.25048587

>>25048281
just sounds like peak cope anon is obviously a poor fag

>> No.25048652

>>25048531
why need money
you think you could change the system in any way by doing the exact thing that's already being done?
>>25048555
i'm only here as being sceptical
we are all going exactly in the wrong direction which doesn't solve anything that could change the system in any way
>>25048587
at least i'm being heard of unlike you rich tards

>> No.25048736

>>25048189
he sounds like poverty stricken incel

>> No.25048766

>>25048652
>why need money
Money is just a tiny fraction.
When my people ask me how I made my fortune, I will tell them the truth. I was moved by a higher power to buy the technology that would cripple the banking jew. But that’s just one step down a long road.

>> No.25048846

>>25048766
you would cripple the banking jew by getting their paper money?
do you even know the absurdity of your statement

>> No.25048901

>>25048189
So...go back to hunting and gathering???
Nomadic Tribes
how does one profit from this ?

>> No.25048906

>>25048652
even wrong directions are in the plan of good

>> No.25048940

>>25048901
i think we have a different understanding of profit
if you ignore "money" and start naming things that would profit you or anyone else you would come to the exact same statement as i've been making

>> No.25048945

>>25048846
>implying
You do realize you can be wealthy without having paper money right?

>> No.25048967

>>25048906
please explain more
the statement makes 0 sense

>> No.25048969

Modern capitalism. Aka not capitalism

>> No.25048997

>>25048967
God gave us free will for a reason.
If that doesn't line up for you then maybe you should actually read Evola.

>> No.25048999

>>25048189
I had already thought about everything I read in ride the tiger as a wee bairn. It’s all a bunch of paranoid hallucination and penile guilt. Quite dilettantish, seriously this is a thinker /biz/ worships? My scamming is gonna be ez this bull run.

>> No.25049031

>>25048999
Checke you unironical, LITERAL fags

>> No.25049118

>>25048997
i don't think evola was particularly interested in the "god" character
maybe you should read again
do you need a god for you to know about free will?

>> No.25049148

>>25048999
beast digits just prove it, ugly jew

>> No.25049149

>>25049118
He did care.
“The blood of the heroes is closer to God than the ink of the philosophers and the prayers of the faithful.”

>> No.25049189

>>25049149
Whoa! Take some meds buddy. What is this? Fuckin Islam???? Keks all around

>> No.25049230

>>25048189
what IS essential?

>> No.25049232

>>25049149
you don't get it
the word god in the sentence is being presented as something supreme. not literally

>> No.25049251

>>25049232
not literally as something existing

>> No.25049312

>>25049230
knowledge of tradition, which is something like "ability to interface with currents of spiritual power that shape history". Evola is like ramming together an academic, a "witch" tiktok girl, and a nazi into one person

>> No.25049345

>>25048281
perfect example of tranny

>> No.25049371

>>25049230
rn probably giving up on everything
don't take it as something of a win/lose but see it for what it is and what it can cause

>> No.25049432

>>25048463
>the solution is to give up on everything
hello shmolem, how is the synagogue today?

>> No.25049504

>>25049432
you are free to explain to me any other solution in the current state of things

>> No.25049533

>>25049232
>>25049251
>t. atheist
Are you actually, unironically imposing a materialist worldview on fucking Evola?

>>25049189
Evola did have some thoughts on Islam, though he was obviously not a muslim. He certainly looked upon it more favorably than on christianity or judaism

>> No.25049635

>>25049533
do you even understand what i'm saying anon
https://youtu.be/ib2vAwM4dY4?t=3420
>>25049533
the second statement is true

>> No.25049653

>>25049635
as the 2nd statement i ment the one you've answered to the other anon

>> No.25049854

>>25049635
I didn't realize that by the "god" character you meant the Christian conception, obviously in that aspect I agree.
Lamentable also that he feels the need in the interview to distance himself from the Christian God ideal. Even Evola may still have been too reactionary to that concept and therefore afraid he believed in a God in the absolute sense.

But actually that explains my earliest statement which you did not understand. God does not care if which path we take, right or wrong. It is in the plan.

>> No.25049877

>>25049854
afraid to admit*
Or perhaps he was too influenced by Nietzsche (another classic example of a poor fool who got burned by the christian idea). I don't fully agree with Evola, of course.

>> No.25049899

>>25048189
He certainly has a point, but capitalism is actually much more subversive.

>> No.25049914

>>25049854
i don't know what you mean by "it is the plan"
but in terms of good and evil i can say that they are relative aspect of ones perception

>> No.25049928

>>25048373
bundy loved some nature walks late at night I'll give you that

>> No.25049936

>>25048189
This guy looks like Marx, but without a beard. Need I say more?

>> No.25049943

>>25049899
the pic clearly says they are the same thing
what exactly makes you think that?

>> No.25049947

>>25049914
good and evil are absolute, distinguishable things, Evola calls them by the path of the left hand and the right hand.

>> No.25049994

>>25049914
and by the plan I mean the purpose of creation, if you agree that creation is driven by the absolute and that the absolute is conscious then there is also a purpose. Unless you do not believe in such a purpose or plan, in which case you are an example of Evola's idea of Nihilism. I'm afraid Evola himself, for all his disdain of it, was also a bit prone to it.

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>>25049947
>absolute
that's related to magic
i'm saying in terms of natural laws in which good and evil are very much relative

>> No.25050070

>>25049994
it's hard to say really
i think the sort of purpose is what drives people on and on
i could be a nihilist in that regard but i am trying to see it just for what it is

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25050074

>>25050039
>23 posts by this ID
>that's related to magic

>> No.25050118

>>25050074
>2 posts by this ID
still no proper arguments

>> No.25050128

>>25050039
not so. We are sometimes bad at distinguishing them, that is the only reason for confusion. Evola speaks of "progress" and "what is essential" and identifies this as good, though he is loathe to admit it. A certain sense of esthetics, I suspect, is his good. Similarly Nietzsche also professed certain goods, professed virtue after rejecting it.
Such are the trappings of pseudo-nihilists.
Natural laws? Who knows, they might be bad or good. Finding out is the point.

>> No.25050286 [DELETED] 

>>25050128
i may be able to accept that to be honest. In terms of progress and what is essential everything i posted on pic as OP related must be ignored which would identify as "going forward" so to speak. basically a total revolution of the current ((())) system
i wouldn't go as far as saying that that's what i've said is related to a pseudo-nihilist but it does indicate on what may be an option in what i'm repeating as "the current state of things" which if you watch the evola interview is also what he stated as it being "to big to revolutionize"(something like that) and that riding the tiger is the only option left

>> No.25050350

>>25050128
i may be able to accept that to be honest. In terms of "progress" and "what is essential" everything i posted on pic as OP related must be ignored, which would identify as "going forward", so to speak. basically a total revolution of the current ((())) system
i wouldn't go as far as saying that what i've said is related to a pseudo-nihilist but it does indicate on what may be an option in what i'm repeating as "the current state of things", which if you watch the evola interview is also what he stated as it being "to big to revolutionize"(something like that) and that riding the tiger is the only option left

>> No.25050415

>>25048189
What a fucking brainlet lmao
Capitalism is not an ideology but a superstructure.
Also 'ideas', 'world views' and philosophical systems do not determine the world.
How do idealists even justify their bullshit?

>> No.25050434

>Capitalism bad
>Communism bad
>Materialism bad
That's pretty deep dude

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>>25050415
Ideology is a product of capitalism, at least one thing 'marxism' got right.

>> No.25050475

I listened, that's why I dont aim for lambos and yachts. I only want a comfy life. And as low profile as possible.
Remember Evola was a baron. He did not despise wealth.

>> No.25050539

I do though

>> No.25050571

>>25050415
you didn't even dare to describe what you mean by "superstructure"
have you even read Das Kapital. How is the capitalistic system not an ideology or what you might call a "philosophycal system"
look anon, 1st someone has to invision something in order for it to be implemented. 2nd the leaders may find this "invisioned something" as some sort of implementation. 3rd imposing this something as a system in the world
now tell me how is this different then a philosophy?

>> No.25050663

>>25050571
if people don't get it, doesn't mean it isn't real
>>25050475
as the pic states wealth isn't measured by how much money one has or better yet it shouldn't be

>> No.25050680

Words are abstract art basically.
Define wealth, degree, indigence...

After a while you will just take away the emotion of being enlightened, there is no real truth to ANY of those retards, humanities are absolutely worthless.
Even after reading thousands of books we’ll still act on instinct.

Humanities are only good for making subway cashiers that is, which is valuable in itself.

>> No.25050695

>>25048189
He seems prone to run-on sentences, for one thing. Second, I like money. Stay poor, nazi.

>> No.25050696

He's stupid because he's looking to economic and political systems for his 'view of life'. Go talk to someone who is deeply religious and who knows little of economic and political systems. Go talk to someone who values things like devotion to truth, courage, integrity, loving and being loved, compassion and so forth. Of course someone who looks for the source of human values in economic and political systems will feel "not even close to what is essential". Of course.

>> No.25050700

>>25048189
the rich decide evrything, the poor have nothing and no money to buy lobbies
this is what amerilards and euroshits don't get
the rich get fatter at their own expense and eventually harm themselves while causing the demise of poor people also
degenerate anons won't like this simple truth

>> No.25050739

>>25050680
i do have a lot to share with you pessimistic view on people and i'm far from denying it
>Humanities are only good for making subway cashiers that is, which is valuable in itself.
as for this, it is only valuable to some but not to the many. that's why it's ment as "progress" for some and not for many

>> No.25050751

>>25048189
I don't listed to guys who made up a fake name to sound cool.

>> No.25050780

>>25048189
Oh whoops, he makes a good point! Guess I better stop trying to get rich and go back to my wage cage. Thanks OP :)

>> No.25050804

>>25050700
the system is made like that anon and it causes missouri to everyone accept for those at the exact top which only need to keep their hands cleen. as rothschild stated from that glp thread: "Those who have a few extra comforts that you don't and that want to maintain your submission so that they can maintain theirs."

>> No.25050846

>>25050780
you don't get it
the point isn't to get "financially rich" it is to change the system so that all people can be rich and have many option of improvement to follow

>> No.25050936

>>25050846
Wow that's based, let me put my name on the richard spencer mailing list, donate to nick fuentes and lets change the world :)

>> No.25050976

>>25050846
I like you, you think like me. If one person is suffering then everyone is
We need to change the system to a post scarcity Star Trek system

>> No.25050984

>>25050936
with all the technology we have now available, you think all we can do is impose a wage slave society with taxes and inflation?

>> No.25051033

>>25050976
thanks anon
this is the nicest thing anyone has said to me in the last 2-3 years

>> No.25051088

>>25050663
If you dont like money, you can give all you want to the poor and live from welfare.
There is a thin line between austerity and communism. Evola wasn't a communist, he was a aristocrat, and aristocrats have money.
Of course, money alone will not bring wealth. Give money to someone without wealth and he will spend it all, and will be poor again.

>> No.25051108

>>25050984
Yea there are better systems, trying to enact any of them will just be laying your life down for some cult of personality that will fuck everyone over in the end anyway, so why bother.

>> No.25051222

>>25051088
>If you dont like money, you can give all you want to the poor and live from welfare.
i do in fact live from that shit, cause i refuse to "work" in such a system and everyone else should do the same.
as for giving "money" away to be honest i don't have much to give and as you stated "Of course, money alone will not bring wealth. Give money to someone without wealth and he will spend it all, and will be poor again." meaning all of those youtubers and betting sites giving bonuses and other free money shit will end up getting them back sooner or later.

>> No.25051294

Just in case people dont understand: aristocrats dont work. They have hobbies and projects, but this is not considered work by them. For a aristocrat, work is the embodiment of a slave.
The aim with cryptos is to get rid of wageslavery, to live freely and without worrying about the future. To be comfy and do only what you like to do.
The materialists Evola points out are those who want lambos, yachts and hookers. These usually ends up being poor, as they do 100x leverage and gamble with shitcoins.
Wealth is not just money, but money is a requirement for it. Evola came from a aristocrat family, he was a baron, he held a title and his family had land. If you think make money is bad, you should consider communism.

>> No.25051302

>>25051108
>trying to enact any of them will just be laying your life down for some cult of personality that will fuck everyone over in the end anyway, so why bother.
what an absurd statement. has it already been tryed for you to know the outcome?

>> No.25051322

>>25051302
yea, everything sucks now so eventually everything will probably suck.

>> No.25051358

>>25051222
>everyone else should do the same
No, they dont. The individual need to be sovereign, not dependant of a socialist nanny state. Crypto is the tool for this aim. You buy crypto, you hold it, you ride the tiger.

>> No.25051371

>>25051294
repeating yourself are we anon?
the system can be made for EVERYONE and not for SOME

>> No.25051406

>>25051322
i do agree with that but it can be done differently
is this really the best you can say?

>> No.25051499

>>25051358
>No, they dont. The individual need to be sovereign, not dependant of a socialist nanny state. Crypto is the tool for this aim. You buy crypto, you hold it, you ride the tiger.
HOW CAN AN INDIVIDUAL PROVE HIS SOVEREIGNTY DOING "WAGE SLAVE" WORK AND INVESTING IN CRYPTO
THIS IS EVEN WORST THAN WHAT THE JEWS MADE.

>> No.25051909

>>25048189
>what is your excuse /biz/ for not listening to this guy?
I read Evola but didn't understand what he was trying to say

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25051946

>>25051909
what book did you read?

>> No.25051997

>>25051946
Ride the Tiger, Men among the Ruins and Revolt against the Modern World

Its just this confused, swollen style of writing that I cant get along with

>> No.25052027

Evola is great to read, and Ride the Tiger is excellent for how a "aristocrat of the soul" has to navigate the modern world.
But nigger still has to make money.

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25052045

>>25048236
>everything I dont understand is trannie

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>>25048189
>>25048307
no it's not you fucking retard because most here are in the pursuit of freedom not of the material. Kill yourself OP.

>> No.25052094

>>25051997
you can't actually start with the Ride the Tiger book i suggest you follow the pic related here>>25051946

>> No.25052212

>>25052056
if you want to avoid material things then let go of it rn
do you need to aquire more material to get rid of it?
the true "goal" you are probably seeking is freedom from suffering

>> No.25052230

>>25048189
Besides for the superficial comparison of marxism and capitalism (oh nooooo they both concern the management of scarce goods including human effort), it sounds like he's just saying "pay attention to these other aspects/ways of looking at human civilization that I consider more important and interesting".... Economics does not tell people how to value things, and it's not guiding nations as in our modern clown world it is very much a subsidiary to politics. I don't find that quote all that deep, and I think /pol/ natsoc ideology or whatever you prefer to call it is quite shallow, half-assed, and naive.

I'm certain Julius Evola is a very smart guy and his books are worth reading for at least being thought-provoking (have a couple of his books on my kindle however I never got around to them, probably will at some point).. However that's not to say he's knowledgeable or wise about everything. That quote strikes me as being guilty of what many intellectuals often do which is to (out of hubris) opine on matters outside their wheelhouse, to overextend themselves.... And more to the point, I think the average 4chan user who quotes him like this is probably ignorant of a lot of things concerning the discipline of economics such that they couldn't even provide an accurate definition of "capitalism" in the first place and will have a very muddled understanding of history as to how things came to be as they are now. I say that being pretty familiar with alt-right thinking due to having agreed with them on subjects like race and immigration.

Disclaimer: I don't know the full context of his quote. Perhaps he wasn't trying to handwave the reader towards a particular political arrangement / alternative economic system ( as I assume OP wants to do, as someone who learned everything he knows from pol and pol recommended books).

>> No.25052252

>>25052185
You need a minimum amount of material so you cans survive without wageslaving and/or being a poorfag living like a 3rd worlder. And already own a farm. You're clearly a newfag, and fail to realise /biz/ is ahead of /pol/ by many years. Lurk moar.

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25052299

>>25048189
Don't care
It's too late
accelerate

>> No.25052325

>>25051499
Stop spending money with movies and games. Pirate it all and DCA any money left into bitcoin.

>> No.25052329

>>25052230
The quote refers to the society in general, to the spiritual dead end that is western civilization, and not to the individual pursuit of material wealth, specially if we are talking about bizraelis.

>> No.25052570

I understand your frustation
still not selling my BTC

>> No.25052716

>>25049943
capitalism is not an ideological system, it has not been "invented" or "envisioned" it is the end result of hierarchical systems that dominate patriarchal societal structures. Call me tranny, faggot, whatever, I stand by my words. Capitalism is a form of supra-hierachy in the same sense that feudalism is supra-hierarchical, as it is the precondition for societies that act within these frameworks. Marxism is an ideology that goes against he capitalist supra-structure and was created by readers of Marx. Communism was never envisioned by Marx to be able to disrupt or destroy capitalism, he was just certain that it would destroy itself and then be replaced by communism.
Evola argues that Marxism is subversive, I argue that capitalism and any societal supra-hierarchy is much more subversive because it is the closest that you get to a "contract" between the exploited masses and the elites. The elites rule with violence and the masses accept (in most cases) this treatment.

>> No.25052754

>>25052299
Accelerate, but dont go too fast. Dont cross the streams!