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[Anonymous No.24766510]

>tfw I am the only person in my family that has a inner monologue.

No wonder we are so poor, how are you suppose to think if you have no inner monologue?

[Anonymous No.24766521]

>>24766510
You should get that checked out anon

[Anonymous No.24766611]

>>24766510
I have an external polylogue (schizophrenic)

[Anonymous No.24766680]

>>24766510
It's a curse. We are cursed, anon. Cursed to think at every waking moment of this existence.

[Anonymous No.24766711]

>>24766611
how you define the difference?
schizo is when your inner monologue starts getting shouty with you

[Anonymous No.24766712]

>>24766510
Insane to think that just:
>being able to hear your voice (and any other sound) in your head
>being able to visualize 3D objects in your head
places you above the majority of other people

[Anonymous No.24766719]

>>24766510
Just play the fucking game. Stop looking too hard at the edges.

[Anonymous No.24766742]

>>24766680
>It's a curse. We are cursed, anon. Cursed to think at every waking moment of this existence.
What is it though?

I've been thinking mild autism (aspergers), but there's other shit wrong with me like my upbringing by a narcissist

[Anonymous No.24766754]

>>24766711
really? i might be a bit of a schizo, i hold xrp btw

[Anonymous No.24766776]

>>24766754
cool. degenerative and incurable mind, but you can always sell the xrp.

[Anonymous No.24766814]

NPCs tend to be the happier ones, they sleep better.
>>24766680
This.

Just found out someone close to me didn't always have an inner voice and only forced herself to learn how when her sisters teased her about it during her youth.
She otherwise would have had no idea.
The idea that anyone could exist without one still freaks me the fuck out. I do not know a time when I did not have this voice, and this relationship with my inner self. It feels so second nature, to think anyone could ever NOT have it is...bizarre to say the least.

[Anonymous No.24766828]

I never understand this claim of no inner voice. If you ask them to count 10 seconds in their mind are they just totally unable to do so

[Anonymous No.24766834]

>>24766510
Treasure your inner monologues.
Once you grow older, your inner voice fades away and you will truly be lonely

[Anonymous No.24766841]

>>24766510
You hear voices in your head? You should get that checked out by a psychiatrist

[Anonymous No.24766845]

>>24766712
Wait this isn't a 4chan meme? How tf do you know other people don't have inner monologues? This is a pretty gigantic assumption.

[Anonymous No.24766902]

>>24766510
I'm still not convinced people with no inner monologues exist, everyone I've talked to about it has an internal monologue.
You sure it isn't just people misunderstanding the question?

[Anonymous No.24767003]

>>24766510
My inner monologue says FUSE SHOULD NOT AND SOON WILL NOT BE UNDER PRIVATE SALE PRICE!

[Anonymous No.24767022]

>>24766841
>You hear voices in your head? You should get that checked out by a psychiatrist
That's not what an inner monologue is lol

[Anonymous No.24767034]

>>24766845
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB7fstrbJSA&t=9s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u69YSh-cFXY&t=335s

[Anonymous No.24767059]

Wait, I thought this was something that everyone has.

[Anonymous No.24767065]

>>24766902
No
They do exist.
It's called living in the moment and some people are like that 100% of the time.
Mostly women.

Everyone has these moments, for people like us they are very few and far between. They might be able to call upon a voice if they really try to, but to them the natural, default state is the blank and ever present NOW. These people tend to speak with 0 filter, and it gets them into trouble while also making them "realer"

[Anonymous No.24767169]

>>24767065
must be nice
can't even begin to comprehend what this would be like, I get what it's like to be fully 'in the moment' as one time, but how do they even have a sense of self, or contextualize their own existence?
just seems like they wouldn't be functional human beings without it

[Anonymous No.24767265]

>>24766841

you are pretty dumb

[Anonymous No.24767444]

>>24767265
he raises an interesting point.
I would love to know what the percentage of mental illness is in NPC's. I doubt there is any.

[Anonymous No.24767708]

>>24767034
How is that chick 22 years old? She looks at least 30.

[Anonymous No.24767722]

>>24767708
white women age bad

[Anonymous No.24767734]

>>24766510
need sauce

[Anonymous No.24767738]

>>24766711
Thats so not what schizophrania is you retard

[Anonymous No.24767839]

>>24767734
Cream Lemon

[Anonymous No.24767865]

>>24767722
I didn't wanna be the anon to say it, lol.

[Anonymous No.24767882]

>>24767865
yeah it's a shame, they're the most beautiful women to me but if they don't take good care of themselves after 25-30 it all goes downhill and very quickly

[Anonymous No.24767888]

>>24766510
I thought inner voice was a joke. Wtf does that mean. I say anything if I don't talk

[Anonymous No.24767954]

Must an inner monologue have an audio component? I can play back sounds in my head but my own thoughts aren't accompanied by sound.

[Anonymous No.24767982]

>>24766510
I remember the NPC memes triggered the left a few years ago
NPCs = no inner monologue

[Anonymous No.24768101]

>>24767169
It's not like they're dumb. But everything is more of a "feeling" or "instinct" rather than vivid thoughts in their heads.
If you give them the tools (language), they could communicate their ideas. But they don't "see" or "think" of them first and then present them. For them, it just comes right out. It's always either 100% genuinely how they are currently feeling/thinking, or they are using memory, almost in a robotic sense.

[Anonymous No.24768152]

>>24767738
it is though

[Anonymous No.24768204]

>>24767034
>first vid
I kinda don't know what it means to "hear your voice in your head" when you're not in fact literally hearing anything. It's just kinda trippy to think about what the opposite of the way I think might be like.

>second video
Okay that made it clearer / more explicit. lmao holy shit no way.

>How do you read?
>Every sentence has a shape so I can see the shape (does hand gesture) of the sentence. Key words pop up to me that I file away, so at the end of reading I'll have a concept map of the topics I read about.. And I tend to move my lips when I read.
>So do you like reading like fiction books?
>I never really enjoyed reading
hahaahahahahaahaha yeah I'd imagine so..
....

>>24767065
One person I used to know was like that, and she was an incredibly annoying bitch with very negligible self-awareness.

>>24768101
Surely the implications must be more significant than that though, like a much more limited ability to process abstractions or something.

[Anonymous No.24768224]

>>24766510
sauce?

[Anonymous No.24768245]

>>24766510
>>tfw I am the only person in my family that has a inner monologue.
>
>No wonder we are so poor, how are you suppose to think if you have no inner monologue?

Which anime or video is this webm from? I'd genuinely like to know. For..good reasons.

[Anonymous No.24768265]

>>24767888
>Wtf does that mean.

Examples:

You see a math problem 1 + 1 = ? If you have an inner monologue, you would say the problem out loud in your mind as well as the answer. If you don't have an inner monologue, you would simply come up with the answer without saying anything in your mind.

You're on the crosswalk with a traffic light. The light is red. If you have an inner monologue, you would say to yourself, "The light is red. I can't cross yet." Once the light becomes green, you would say, "The light is green. I can now cross." If you don't have a monologue, you would just stand there and wait.

You see a person with holding a gun in a super market. If you have an inner monologue, you would ask yourself. "This person has a gun. Is he a security guard? Is he a police officer? He doesn't look like either of those. He looks like a robber. I should run away to safety." If you don't have a monologue, you would just run away without thinking.

In short, if you don't have an inner monologue, you're person who acts purely on instinct and do things without thinking about their consequences, no different than a robot.

[Anonymous No.24768301]

>>24768265
It's hard for me to believe those people exist though. I always imagined everyone has that inner monologue, no? Maybe some less than others but everyone to some extent.

[Anonymous No.24768309]

>>24768152
it isn't, ur a retard

[Anonymous No.24768346]

if someone like so were here right now, you mean they'd be reading every single post here out loud?
grim

N

[Anonymous No.24768403]

>>24768265
It's funny because all of your examples are things anybody can deal with by instinct. I only use language expressed thoughts for more involved situations like diagnosing why my washing machine won't start or planning what to say in a foreign language when I'm on vacation.

[Anonymous No.24768443]

>>24768265
>you see a turtle upside down, baking in the sun. How do you react?
>>24767738
>>24768309
theres an overlap here. One so plainly obvious you would have to be fairly fucking retarded not to grasp that which was originally meant.

[Anonymous No.24768599]

>>24768443
>schizo is when your inner monologue starts getting shouty
that isn't the only symptom of schizophrenia u mutt, and that symptom alone certainly isn't enough to write off all other disorders. hope u have night terrors retard

[Anonymous No.24768653]

>>24768599
nobody said it is the only symptom you retard, but good to see you come around

[Anonymous No.24768655]

>>24768265
those are kinda bad examples like the other anon said. I'm not going to monologue just from encountering a fucking red light and bringing my vehicle to a stop for it.

>>24768443
>>you see a turtle upside down, baking in the sun. How do you react?
In that situation I can see myself remembering watching a youtube of a turtle helping out another turtle flip upright... And then I'd remember the time I picked up a turtle and move it away from the road when I was living in another state... And then I'd think about the question of "in what situations should people intervene to help animals and when should we let nature help take its course"... Which I might answer with "whenever we feel like for any reason, it doesn't matter". Then if I were not in a rush, assuming I'm hiking or something, I'd get a closer look at it and consciously deliberate on whether I feel like helping it or leaving it.

Now for a no-monologue female, I'm assuming they'd have a "not my hecking turtleino" emotional reaction and flip it upright without thinking much of anything.

[Anonymous No.24768660]

So this thread is really interesting to me.

Background: I'm a fairly bright engineer. Have always been solid at math, programming, physics. I also think I'm fairly well received socially given the feedback I've gotten from my managers, coworkers, and friends.

Noting all that I can't say I feel I have an ever present inner monologue.

However, while reading this thread I decided to see if I could summon it and lo and behold I did. I was analyzing and discussing internally aspects about the room I was in with something resembling my voice (but not quite exactly like how my voice sounds?)

I think I perhaps do have this monologue but I sort of ignore/send it to do it's job more subconsciously and don't pay attention to it. Overall I think the effect of this is my thoughts are typically more abstract.

[Anonymous No.24768712]

>>24768660
Think about why you picked engineering, NPC

[Anonymous No.24768748]

>>24767034
you deal with a constant inner monologue by directing it into the flow-through study on one topic where you be unconscious of self place or time.

[Anonymous No.24768826]

do people really have inner monologues like a fucking storybook?

i have a 1000hz abstract thought generator that generates multiple conscious ideas simultaneously

i am rh negative however, maybe monkeys really do have the type of narration where its like "I should put the bread in the toaster" lmao

[Anonymous No.24768883]

>>24768660
>I decided to see if I could summon it and lo and behold I did
well done anon!
Now, just try getting rid of it again. Should have read the story of Pandoras box first
>don't forget, you're here for life

[Anonymous No.24768892]

>>24768660
You sound like you're in the monologue category. If you brain has cause to really chew on something more abstract or complicated, it might chew on the task in other ways that are more efficient for that so there is less monologuing involved or it's less explicitly conscious or something.

>>24768826
I don't think this is about people who monologue EVERY thing versus people who don't... It's about people who do "monologue" some of the time in certain situations versus those who never do / can't?

I'm always, 100% of the time thinking about something else when making toast or something basic like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tQ2KcOhHiU

[Anonymous No.24768893]

this "inner monologue" is more properly known as subvocalization and just because you can do it doesn't mean it is an optimal medium for thought in certain situations. reading fiction for example would be better suited by processing clumps of words visually for a faster wpm. people without the ability to subvocalize just have an underdeveloped temporal lobe.

[Anonymous No.24768895]

>>24766521
Kek

[Anonymous No.24768923]

>>24766510
>all the NPC cope in this thread

lmao you guys literally have no soul

[Anonymous No.24768942]

>>24768660
>fairly bright
>engineer
>Reddit spacing
Turbo yikes.

[Anonymous No.24768972]

>>24768826
You rationalise with your inner monologue
True Chad's do both
>>24768660
Run! It's a trap! Your thoughts can be real cunts!

[Anonymous No.24768984]

>>24768883
I think I can just make it appear if I want. It seems to be somewhat subsided now.

Though now I feel I am more conscious of what I'm writing and it's more internally audible as I'm writing/typing it.

>>24768712
Frankly because I'm good at math, EE seemed challenging, job security that pays well, and back in 2012 I was interested in learning more about power and energy.

[Anonymous No.24768986]

Thinking is probably the biggest meme of our time

[Anonymous No.24768991]

My inner monologue developed an Australian accent. Now I find myself think-speaking FACKIN' KUNT! OI GET FACKED YEA?

[Anonymous No.24769022]

>>24768942
>Yikes
Go and stay go newfag, I've been here since before /biz/ existed and crypto was a plague to /g/

[Anonymous No.24769041]

>>24768892
understandable, i also appreciate your wholesome attitude despite my toxicity

[Anonymous No.24769064]

>>24768991
I read that in your retarded aussie voice. kek.

[Anonymous No.24769092]

>>24766510
https://www.julianjaynes.org/about/about-jaynes-theory/overview/

Jaynes asserts that consciousness did not arise far back in human evolution but is a learned process based on metaphorical language. Prior to the development of consciousness, Jaynes argues humans operated under a previous mentality he called the bicameral (‘two-chambered’) mind. In the place of an internal dialogue, bicameral people experienced auditory hallucinations directing their actions, similar to the command hallucinations experienced by many people who hear voices today. These hallucinations were interpreted as the voices of chiefs, rulers, or the gods.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology)

Bicameralism[Note 1] (the condition of being divided into "two-chambers") is a controversial hypothesis in psychology and neuroscience which argues that the human mind once operated in a state in which cognitive functions were divided between one part of the brain which appears to be "speaking", and a second part which listens and obeys—a bicameral mind, and that the evolutionary breakdown of this division gave rise to consciousness in humans. The term was coined by Julian Jaynes, who presented the idea in his 1976 book The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind,[1] wherein he made the case that a bicameral mentality was the normal and ubiquitous state of the human mind as recently as 3,000 years ago, near the end of the Mediterranean bronze age.

[Anonymous No.24769145]

>>24768660
Sounds like you simply run on autopilot most of the time?

[Anonymous No.24769163]

If you noobs want something else to marvel at go take a Briggs-Myers test and marvel at how I predicted you're either INTP or INTJ even thought they're the rarest personality type.
https://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test
It's a 4channer thing

[Anonymous No.24769196]

>>24769163
God damn tavistock, you got me again!

[Anonymous No.24769198]

>>24768893
>people without the ability to subvocalize just have an underdeveloped temporal lobe.
Let me guess, no races exhibit these brain discrepancies more so than others right..?

[Anonymous No.24769202]

>>24766510
name of anime please?

[Anonymous No.24769240]

>>24769163
I've tested INTJ since I was 13. Part of me thinks MBTI is a load of shit but I still read up on it for some reason, maybe out of sheer fascination.

[Anonymous No.24769262]

>>24769145
Yeah I'd say so. I think utilizing this more aware & conversational mode of thinking probably is a positive thing in certain contexts. Are you or anyone ITT aware of any good research on this topic that isn't bro-science or /pol/ tier?

[Anonymous No.24769281]

>>24768204
>Surely the implications must be more significant than that though, like a much more limited ability to process abstractions or something.
It's due to not having had the necessary pressures when they were young. The person I know personally who is an NPC, literally taught herself to have an inner voice because she was TEASED for not having it by her sisters when she was younger. She had no idea what they were talking about, and tried and tried and eventually, she could if she WILLED it, have an inner monologue. But it's not the default for her because of course, she didn't build the habit when young. This means it's a literal skill that can be trained. Usually skills you have gained as a kid (without knowing you were gaining a skill, by virtue of repeatedly experiencing it) are hard to shake off, they become second nature to you. Everyone knows this, hence why practicing anything while young is crucial to mastery.
Whatever forces, good or bad, are necessary to have this mental behavioral pattern, were prevalent in our lives, but not in theirs, not when it mattered the most at least.
They just use their brains differently. Think of it like someone who only uses computers for handling data, and only sees them as a tool for such a thing. Which it very much is for the most part, but you can still create art, write creative works, fucking video games even (whole simulations, your day dreams manifest) with it, or use it for experiencing the other things in life that isn't just taking in pure empirical data (ie, the difference between, that flower is a particular shade of red vs that flower looks "bloody").
For them, that, abstract, artistic side of life is something they experience in the moment through feeling. They are here and now, somewhat makes them true hedonist, in that they're just here to experience, nothing more.

[Anonymous No.24769309]

>inner monologue

[Anonymous No.24769462]

>>24769309
Since people keep making schizo jokes, I figure I'll throw a certain rabbit hole out there for any curious anons... There's a particular therapy modality called "internal family systems" therapy, that makes use of how people have different aspects to their personalities, many of which were formed in childhood as responses to trauma, to the extent that these sub components of one's mind can have conflicting thoughts and feelings, enough to where they can have internal conversations / debates. It's not the same thing as schizophrenia is just sounds trippy until you experience it first hand... I've done it before, had to go into a sort of trance first to ever be able to do it... And I had to try it a lot before being able to do this properly.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapy-types/internal-family-systems-therapy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Family_Systems_Model

[Anonymous No.24769749]

>>24768224
>>24769202
read the thread you cretins

[Anonymous No.24769800]

>>24766834
What?
How did this happen?
Did you ignore it and forced it into a lonely existence?
Did it give up on you?

[Anonymous No.24769823]

It is difficult to find a good platform with crypto solutions to invest in.

Studied DuckDAO, read twi posts of crypto experts. Seems like it is a transparent platform with an investment system. Have you read/found anything about it?

[Anonymous No.24769869]

>>24769800
It was taken over by a tulpa
Too much time on /mlp/

[Anonymous No.24769881]

inner monologue =/= the mere act of thinking mentally

it is simply a communion between you and your subconscious. The subconscious is intelligent and we are all born with great connections to it but time corrupts and deteriorates the connection

ever get immediate flashes of insights split second after you ask yourself a question? Unable to solve a problem only to suddenly know the solution after a nap?

That's your subconscious importing god's wisdom into you, it is intelligent and very "real"

[Anonymous No.24769916]

there is no magic, existence is mechanical

a healthy body leads to a healthy mind, which in turn leads to stronger connections

It also helps to be aware of your mental states and learn to discern between primitive and divine instincts

[Anonymous No.24769945]

>>24769881
if you talk to god... he'll talk back to you...

[Anonymous No.24769975]

>>24769462
lel I do this literally everyday. Helps me understand myself better as I'm aware of what's going on.

[Anonymous No.24770060]

>>24769869
I am curious as to what you did.
Did you try to force it to be something it didn't want to be?
Did it chose to cut you off to protect its health?

It's still the same thing, just with more power and information.
A tulpa is only a stronger manifestation of your subconscious.
It doesn't take away anything, only cost you more energy to maintain.
The function of your tulpa as part of your subconscious is still there.
If you want to get it back you only need to wish strongly to communicate with it and to acknowledge it without trying to change it.

[Anonymous No.24770125]

>>24767034
holy shit THATS what a lack of internal monologue? i always thought that shit was just being borderline retarded

[Anonymous No.24770174]

>>24770125
>i always thought that shit was just being borderline retarded
isn't it though? the way they explain themselves, i get the impression they are just dogs capable of language

[Anonymous No.24770181]

>>24769163
I'm ISTP. Used to be ISFP when I was in my teens.

[Anonymous No.24770285]

>>24770181
But I check all the boxes for INTP wtf. This test is broken.

[Anonymous No.24770337]

>>24769163
The ability to say what we want and express our thoughts with complete disregard of social status, social customs, political correctness and with no consequences.
That's just a beautiful things for an INTJ.
It must be similar for INTPs who like to discuss ideas just to satisfy their curiosity.

[Anonymous No.24770350]

this is wild. reading the wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_monologue
>It is particularly important in planning, problem solving, self-reflection, self-image, critical thinking, emotions,[2] and subvocalization (reading in one's head)
so people without it are pretty much fucked
>In some cases people may think of inner speech as coming from an external source, as with schizophrenic auditory hallucinations.
but we are indeed schizo

[Anonymous No.24770372]

>>24769163
im infj

im only here because shills and fudders are better company than the bots and drones youd find anywhere else on the internet

[Anonymous No.24770395]

>>24766510
It's become a meme at this point, but the fact that most of the world doesn't have an inner monologue is still Earth-shattering to me.

[Anonymous No.24770405]

So it's like being in a meditative state 24/7? That's amazing if so.

[Anonymous No.24770412]

>>24766902
I've had people I work with, who are intelligent analysts, tell me "I don't have that.". I then explain what an inner monologue actually means. And they don't have it. They don't hear thoughts in their heads.

[Anonymous No.24770424]

>>24767034
>f*moid
They don't even think.

[Anonymous No.24770450]

i think i understand women better now. pretty sure the last girl i fucked didn't an internal monologue

[Anonymous No.24770461]

https://youtu.be/RB7fstrbJSA
They’re literally functioning retards.

[Anonymous No.24770471]

>>24766510
Man sometimes I wish my shit would SHUT THE FUCK UP but instead I just inner monologue in all directions all night and I can't sleep for shit.

[Anonymous No.24770476]

>me talking to myself is a sign of intelligence, not of chronic loneliness.

sure buddy

[Anonymous No.24770539]

>>24770461
>>24767034

[Anonymous No.24770545]

so how does this relate to a rich inner life? is it synonymous?

[Anonymous No.24770557]

>>24770471
yea...

[Anonymous No.24770589]

>>24768265
So why CAN'T that other person, talk inside thier head? Surely it's the same as talking without opening your mouth?

[Anonymous No.24770646]

>>24770405
Inner monologue is the opposite of a meditative state.

[Anonymous No.24770693]

>>24770589
It's more optimal energy-wise to not have internal monologues, but that comes at the risk of making bad decisions. When you don't do critical thinking that often, you tend to regress to instinct-driven behavior.

[Anonymous No.24770710]

>>24770646
that's what he meant, referring to those without it.

>>24770545
If this post >>24770350 is anything to go by, having no inner monologue would be pretty strongly linked to having little in the way of an "inner life"

[Anonymous No.24770713]

>>24770646
There's different types of meditation anon.
There's one with the goal of being blank in the mind, and the other where there is no focus, and you just let your mind run, or one of INTENSE focus on one thing etc.