/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.24558332]

I think we can all agree everyone is demoralized by modern capitalism.
A few years ago if you brought up the whole hamster on a wheel narrative on pol you would have been called a hipster fag.
Now everyone keeps making wagie ragie memes like its going out of style.
Everyone grudgingly agrees laizer faire capitalism has failed but god forbid brown people get a piece of the pie.
Well thats from an outsiders perspective really, im a technically a neet at the moment.

[Anonymous No.24558362]

>>24558332
>laizer faire

[Anonymous No.24558366]

Ok.

[Anonymous No.24558377]

Capitalism is fine, the issue is wealth distribution and where the economy is going as boomers close their eyes through a century of piling up global debt.

[Anonymous No.24558381]

I went to lazier faire once, I spent the whole game running around like I was playing doom and blasting the shit out of eight year old kids and bored 13 year old girls as strobe lights illuminated my superior physique. They couldn't even compete if they wanted to. Good times

[Anonymous No.24558392]

I think we can all agree OP is a fag who has never innovated anything in his life other his right hand every night

[Anonymous No.24558395]

>>24558362

[Anonymous No.24558619]

>>24558362
lazy fare economics you know the thing

[Anonymous No.24558641]

>>24558619
Well goddamn, why do they have french terms in the english language anyways?
Also phone posting.

[Anonymous No.24558689]

>>24558619
laissez faire

[Anonymous No.24558698]

>>24558362
Kek

[Anonymous No.24558709]

What does it mean if I hate wagies and corporations but I also hate the government being in charge of literally anything?

[Anonymous No.24558715]

when people are wealthier trading imaginary money than keep society going that's when you know you're living in the twilight zone

[Anonymous No.24558725]

>>24558709
natsoc

[Anonymous No.24558728]

>>24558332
GO FUCKING BACK

[Anonymous No.24558759]

>>24558725
no anon, natsoc does not mean that anon.

[Anonymous No.24558903]

>>24558759
i know, i wasn't being serious

[Anonymous No.24559016]

>>24558709
i mean there is no way around waging.
I mean it has to be done.
But what everyone is asking is why does it have to be +40 hours per week.
If we could do less waging and get paid more thered be nothing to complain about really.
And if someone still complained well they should just stfu.
That can only be done via the government realistically.
Thats my two cents.

[Anonymous No.24559224]

Here's my take. Capitalism, communism. They don't matter that much. At the end of the day successful governing power has nothing to do with morality or what human think "should" work. That's what humans can't get past. The secret is what is most successful is immperialism and exploitation for cheap/free labor. Essentially slavery. Look at the most expensive valueable things in the world. At the end of the day who is harvest and processing them in the most labor intensive ways? Wage slaves. The exploited. Sussecful Communsim/capitalism is a different flavor of imperialism. Non-imperial entities must eithier ally with powerful impires, thus playing into imperialism or be consumed by imperialism. What is successful is using unfair leverage against those with none. We don't want it to work. Like when you play street fighter and you say a tactic is "cheap". Too fucking bad, it work and you don't want it too. It's boring that there are only a handful of top tier characters in your game. Too bad. Reality does not care. The secret the super rich know is that you must always be on the handle end of the biggest sword. Movies like John Wick/Rambo/etc are a peasant fantasy that a lone man can set it right if he gets angry enough. Media reinforces that. And the most tragic thing is that self preservation is the mechanism through which corruption is nourished. We are not mindless ants, and so we are prisoners. The be trapped is to know it.

These old women are doing artritis inducing difficult skilled labor. The silk of these worms is worth more than it's weight in gold. Can you guess how many ounces of rice they are paid per 20 hour work day? To be successful is to own the wagie.

[Anonymous No.24559260]

>>24558332
capitalism has nothing to do with fiat currency you absolute walking brainstem. what you are actually angry at is the debasement of fiat currency and the FED asset purchasing

[Anonymous No.24559321]

>>24558377
This bitch clearly couldn’t comprehend Kapital. We’re obviously approaching the limit of capitalism

[Anonymous No.24559364]

>>24559321
I think we’re well past the point where all of these -isms are at all useful in describing social phenomena and the “successful” are just navigating a fucked system to get what they want while everyone else drowns in confusion, demoralization, and deliberate disinformation

[Anonymous No.24560328]

>>24559321
Commies get the bullet

[Anonymous No.24560343]

>>24558332
>Everyone grudgingly agrees laizer faire capitalism has failed Brainlet from leftypol, this is not the case.
>but god forbid brown people get a piece of the pie.
Earn your own money, nigger.

[Anonymous No.24560363]

>>24559321
>commie calling someone else a bitch

[Anonymous No.24561247]

>>24558362
It's called "laser fair" capitalism, as in it is extremely fair.

[Anonymous No.24561309]

>>24559224
To me it isn't about the ideology it's the demographics. Have smart enough, and moral upright enough people and they will figure out a good solution, whatever that economic policy is.

Unfortunately that isn't what we have anymore. People have no moral character, they aren't good people, our idols that we look up to are all entertainers who are the opposite of what you would consider a good roll model. No one is ont he same page because there is no central narrative and there are a bunch of different races with different ideas of what fair even means. The rot goes back multiple generations and it's leading to extreme decay.
If the population is garbage it doesn't matter the policies, you're going to get garbage out regardless.

[Anonymous No.24561663]

>>24558362
>faire ur laizer!!!!!

[Anonymous No.24561760]

>>24558332
>Everyone grudgingly agrees laizer faire capitalism has failed but god forbid brown people get a piece of the pie.

why are non-whites so entitled and delusional?

[Anonymous No.24561823]

>>24558709

Unironically, you are an anarchist or libertarian of some sort. A type of small government market-socialist perhaps? A syndicalist maybe?

[Anonymous No.24562049]

>>24558332
the issue is unsound money and the hyper consumption it brings, not capitalism. i can go into further detail if you'd like.

[Anonymous No.24562262]

>>24558332
Blah blah economic systems. Powerful people rule regardless of whatever type of economy you live in.

[Anonymous No.24562304]

>>24558332
Maybe.
But everyone also agrees Marx was a faggot, communism is the big gay, and socialism is for trannys.

[Anonymous No.24562510]

>>24559224
Very good post

[Anonymous No.24562532]

>>24561760
The delusion knows know bounds. They import "refugees" from socialist hell holes in central and south america. Then praise socialism, but they think the socialsim they're going to get is like the socialism in the whitest Scandinavian countries, and not the south American countries that they're getting their voters from. They're morons

[Anonymous No.24562814]

>>24559016
>If we could do more waging and get paid less thered be nothing to complain about really.
>And if someone still complained well they should just stfu.
This is literally how easy it is to fuck with you and your words, and I have no money.
Literally the only real reason anyone is able to get anyone else to do anything at the moment is because the first person has money. And right now there is no sustainable way to live just off the things that grow naturally anymore: all the desirable farmland and fresh water has been taken, measured and titled, and the government makes you pay taxes on it: all the land where you don't need to spend more than half your day working to grow food, or build a safe, comfy place to live in, let alone even a gay cuckshed out of pallet wood, is taken (although going innawoods to live out of a shack is pretty based ngl).
The people in power who have the money to make you do shit have done this shit for a reason, and it's not because you are black or brown: it's easier to rule people if there is an "easy" and "fair" system to follow, even if it has gaping holes in the walls and the foundation is rotting. People have worked so hard for the little shit they have, and have been burned so badly by this system doing so, that they simply cannot imagine a society that actually could help them live a more comfortable, fulfilling life, be they high level traders or ghetto drug dealers, and much of those in between as well. They are the ones with the money, but they have been fighting a never-ending personal war over every last dollar (possibly using various drugs to cope with the stress or enhance their performance) with everyone else around them, that they cannot imagine something better. It's like how some soldiers miss war even if they had to deal with horrible shit: these businessmen literally enjoy their stress, and they feel bad if they aren't stressing themselves to the breaking point to make every dollar they can.

[Anonymous No.24562870]

>>24558362
yall niggas be on that lazer fair economy lmbo

[Anonymous No.24562913]

>>24558332
run back to /pol fucking commie.. the tranny brigade is failing on fraud gaslighting, you're already spread too thin as it is.

[Anonymous No.24563086]

>>24562814
continued:
The point is, because of a combination of how much money they have, and how they feel people have to work the same way they had to for it, and how they've built an economy of everyone against everyone else, is the reason why the world is so fucked up. They ate shit for so long, now it is their turn to shit in someone else's mouth, and fuck anyone else for taking that opportunity away from them. This is how they feel good about themselves and what they had to deal with and lived through, to the point of anyone even creating a possibility of a fundamental change in the system being an existential threat, whyt they are afraid of new technology, why Warren Buffet was shitting on bitcoin but the Winklevoss twins buying Bitcoin when it was sub$ 10 and now being billionaires themselves. They are a society afraid of others making it, and their money alllows them to propagate this ethos in the way they organize work and ideas in the media.
It is ironically the real reason why commies turned violent and stated engaging in killing capitalists, as all the nice socialists that tried to reform capitalism to be more humane and grow gradually and sustainably, and who tried to organize wage workers to be a peaceful political movement, were all killed off by right wing death squads paid for by the capitalists. The capitalists take more and more for themselves, and ironically create more and more desperate people who will do anything for money, including selling their own organs and appearing on porn websites, to the point of the desperadoes finally saying "fuck it," and turning to crime to survive.

[Anonymous No.24563505]

>>24563086
>inb4 niggers
The world is full of based conservative black/brown people and welfare criminiggers, but "creative destruction" of safe places, where families once could grow and be part of society and create a positive impact by growing high-quality people, is what kills black/brown peoples' ability to create high-quality people. This is true for anyone really; good food, clean water, education and respectable employment that both helps people and allows societies to grow and be happy. The Dan Pena and the 80s corporate raiders in my previous post made their money killing such places.
>inb4 they were wagies so they deserved it
If we are gonna play that game, where it's ok that
>women and children die in coal mines in the 1800s,
>where hard-working families lose their farms in the 1920s dust bowl and end up living like homeless mexican fruit-pickers, and surplus food was destroyed in the sight of starving children
>where people lose their programming/sysadmin jobs to Aneet and Pajeet so their boss saves a couple bucks to push a substanadard product and then liquidate the company or sell it to google and people get their identities stolen because of shitty indian coding
then it's going to be totally ok that
>bankers and corporate executives will be shot dead in the street for busting out companies and transferring assets and technology overseas
>private security personnel who provide executive protection for such individuals will be doxxed and never find work again
>officials who allow for lobbying by corporations controlled by foreign geopolitical rivals and hostile intelligence services will be prosecuted for treason and jailed

[Anonymous No.24564307]

>>24558332

The problem is as it always was, Communism. More commonly known as wealth redistribution or taxation.

[Anonymous No.24565589]

>>24558709
Become a neet

[Anonymous No.24565638]

>>24559016
not if you were self employed or ran a small business. with less regulation and red tape this would be more realistic for more people. why does everyone have an employee mindset where you have to always work for someone instead of doing it for yourself? if you did do everything yourself, then you set the wage, the hours, how much you want to earn and everything else and let the freemarket test out if it's practical.

[Anonymous No.24565658]

It's not cost efficient to save humanity, sorry anon.

[Anonymous No.24565856]

>>24563086
man i hate that faggot boomer Warren Buffet and every normie thinks they can become like him if they just invest in the right stonks

[ANALyst No.24565865]

>>24558332
>wagie looser
>cApItAlIsM iS bAd
Yeah you failed in live that's why it's bad. Losers always complain no matter which system

[Anonymous No.24565991]

>>24559224
interesting. but what about something like a car? that can be heavily automated and not so reliant on wagie labour and it sells for a lot.

[Anonymous No.24566025]

>>>/pol/
Mods consider to ban every poster ITT for at least 4 months

[Anonymous No.24566136]

>>24558641
The English language is like fucking half french you absolute niggerbrained retard

[Anonymous No.24566320]

Is it the militaries fault or the bankers fault? Retards will say all wars are bankers wars.

[Anonymous No.24566354]

>>24561663
Oldfag

[Anonymous No.24566536]

>>24558332
The core issue is international jewry robbing the purchasing power of the working man

[Anonymous No.24567045]

>>24566536
this. remove all jews and everyone can work it out just fine

[Anonymous No.24567119]

https://wtfhappenedin1971.com

[Anonymous No.24567160]

>>24558709
You're pic related

[Anonymous No.24567238]

>>24558332
You had me in the first half but then you had to bring in identity politics.
>brown people
They already get way too fucking much for what they contribute. They are literally a net loss.
Commie chucks like you need to understand that your retarded ideas only work in highly homogeneous and high iq populations.

[Anonymous No.24567803]

>>24558377
The disease is fine, the problem is the symptoms

[Anonymous No.24567827]

>>24567238
>identity politics is bad
>Your political ideas only work when applied based on identity
Retard

[Anonymous No.24567913]

>>24558332
Laisser faire.

[Anonymous No.24568328]

>>24558332
i read an incredibly insightful post yesterday that described life in america as soft communism. that is, even if you "own" land you are still required to make property tax payments in perpetuity that can be arbitrarily increased at the government's will through tax re-assessments. the government extends this concept of soft communism to the extreme, making homeowners liable for upkeep of property they don't even own e.g. paying for new sidewalks that run adjacent to private property despite the sidewalk being on public (state-owned) land. in total it's a terrible demoralization scheme, designed to keep the middle class from ever making it. no matter how much you save, no matter how well you plan, if you're a middle class slob that finally "makes it" by paying off your home and retiring from work, the government can always force you back into the wage cage through deliberate and uncontestable decisions that wreck you financially. you WILL be subservient to the state, you WILL get in the wage cage, you WILL do your part in maintaining money velocity.

[Anonymous No.24568896]

>>24558715
Scary true

[Anonymous No.24568992]

>>24558332
Fourth Turning. Buy bitcoin and keep going. It will get better

[Anonymous No.24569050]

>>24564307
See 1930's usa. 64% tax rate lol. This has all happened before. It's coming again. Buy Bitcoin

[Escobar No.24569078]

źźzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. complainy bitch

[Anonymous No.24569110]

>>24568328
Soft communism? A more accurate term is state capitalism

[Anonymous No.24569152]

>>24558332
> those poor brown people

Hopefully you’re taking photos of all of your cucking you do for them online so that when you’re out and a pack of them want your wallet you can show them how you cuck for them so maybe they’lol leave you alone

>spoiler alert whitey, they won’t

[Anonymous No.24569284]

>>24558332
Everyone is demoralized by you. Capitalism has nothing to do with it. Being surrounded by braindead idiots completely controlled by whatever narrative is being pushed this week like "muh capitalism" is what's demoralizing. Idiot commies like you pretending the purpose of jobs is to provide employment instead of accomplishing things means almost all jobs available accomplish nothing. That's what's demoralizing. It's you that's the problem.

[Anonymous No.24569315]

>demoralized by modern capitalism

[Anonymous No.24569316]

What do you guys think about crypto-anarchism? In a crypto-anarchist society the functions of oppressive centralised authorities, whether it be government or corporations, are made redundant through cryptographically secure decentralised platforms. Central banks? Replaced by cryptocurrency and defi. Voting mechanisms and political parties? Replaced by blockchain voting with optional vote delegation (anyone is free to delegate their voting powers to a representative via smart contract if they wish). The idea is that almost any bureaucracy you can think of could be replaced by a more efficient decentralised protocol.

[Anonymous No.24569403]

>>24569316
Transhumanist ideology that will end with wailing cyborg humans contemplating their stupidity at trying to make a better machine then nature. Philosopher king is the only good political ideology to hold.

[Anonymous No.24569827]

>>24569403
Anarchism emerges as a functional, stable system in primitive societies. This is because primitive societies were small and organic enough that everyone knew everyone, essentially everyone was public and accountable to each other. A phenomenon of industrial society is alienation from work, there was little alienation in primitive societies. The fruits of work were immediately present and tangible. Without alienation there is satisfaction and stability. I use the word 'emerges', because if society grew too large it could not support itself and would die. If society was organised in any way that did not support anarchism it would die, except for the agricultural revolution which led to our present reality (which we have arrived at through highly unstable positive feedback loops of growth and expansion). I think the fine strings that hold anarchism together can be recreated through decentralised networks to allow a form of anarchism to emerge in modern society. A population not captured by the machine of endless growth will be anything but transhumanist. I'd argue we would be more human than ever before.

[Anonymous No.24570189]

Ultimately, America has a cultural problem where it has demonized low wage work to the point that scab workers have to be bussed in from foreign countries because the native population thinks they are destined for "something better". This is horseshit of course, because the majority of any given people will be average plebs, living average lives. The U.S. is still an amazing land where you can get a McJob and make as much as a doctor in the Ukraine.

That's outrageous. Enjoy it while it lasts. The future of life in the U.S. will be more like todays India or China.

[Anonymous No.24570220]

>>24561663
Lulz

[Anonymous No.24570418]

>>24569827
The natural state of things is anarchy, structure is an emergent property of anarchy not the other way around. Tribal societies still had structure. The philosopher king is the only scaling method of society. Life already naturally incorporates anarchism, if you don't like the structure of society you fight it and die. All decentralization would do is put more power into the hands of people who have no fucking idea how to make reality work for them anyway, ala the boomer generation of mass Democratization. Philosopher king is anarchy at it's finest, nature decides who rules.