/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.24527056]

Buy PNK. I don’t understand why people don’t see this. ETH 2017 was BTC 2012, LINK 2021 will be ETH 2017, and PNK will be LINK 2021 price growth wise. It’s blatantly obvious.

[Anonymous No.24527137]

>>24527056
What are the arguments for it?

[Anonymous No.24527162]

>>24527056
>It’s blatantly obvious.
Why?

[Anonymous No.24527169]

>>24527056
I'm sure Vitalik has a whopping big stack of PNKies. best part is he'll have the courts on his side -when the time comes-

[Anonymous No.24527172]

I’d say a pretty large chunk of /biz/ are already in. Many of us got in around this time last year.

[Anonymous No.24527175]

>blatantly obvious
You forget that the average person in crypto right now has been here for less than 6 months and is a drooling retard. I mean, even Ampleforth is having another run.

Kleros will be a top 10 coin, but I think we'll have to wait for the next bullmarket and all these shitcoins to die off.

[Anonymous No.24527193]

>>24527175
This.

[Anonymous No.24527210]

I have 10k PNK, how much more to make it?

[Anonymous No.24527220]

>>24527175
>Kleros will be a top 10 coin
Fucking why you retard?
There is no argument for it

[Anonymous No.24527251]

>>24527056
>>24527056
>>24527137
>>24527162
>>24527169
>>24527172
>>24527175
>>24527193

[Anonymous No.24527253]

>>24527210
>I have 10k PNK, how much more to make it?
get to 50k
It will propaply top out at $2
So you get a nice 100k
Should be enough for a nice holiday or so

[Anonymous No.24527259]

>>24527210
If I remember correctly, 100k is the make it stack.

t. 8k stacklet

[Anonymous No.24527286]

>>24527220
>there's no argument
Just go buy STA or some other shitcoin if you haven't read the whitepaper and don't understand the value proposition. There is a huge argument which is why Vitalik fucking Buterin is shilling it.

[Anonymous No.24527299]

>>24527210
90k to make it in 3 years
None to make it in 6 years

[Anonymous No.24527421]

>>24527286
Why do these threads exist? They're obviously trying to get people to buy but don't present any arguments, just emotional manipulation.

[Anonymous No.24527582]

>>24527421
This anon is right
>>24527286
I read the whitepaper, the yellowpaper and parts of the book you moron. Don't tell me I don't understand the value proposition.
If you are extremly lucky then PNK will reach $10 but that's about it
Your crowdsourced justice is a meme.
>t.top 750 wallet

[Anonymous No.24527693]

>>24527421
>>24527582
What could possibly be left to explain though?
>The token is needed.
>It creates huge efficiencies in the real world.
>It is needed as a decentralised decision maker in crypto, which currently has none.
Even if you forget the crowdsourced justice part, which you really should, it's value as a decentralised oracle for everything is enough to put it in the top 20 alone.

[Anonymous No.24527756]

>>24527220

[Anonymous No.24527848]

>>24527582
>only a 100x

[Anonymous No.24528082]

>>24527693
> value as a decentralised oracle for everything is enough to put it in the top 20 alone
Can you elaborate on this?

[Anonymous No.24528582]

>>24527056
Ok PNK fags address this fear of mine and ill put all my spare ETH in

Are the people on the courts full of third worlders? And if the people on top all are whales, how can this even give fair results? Its just whoever had money in the first place dictates everything, how can they even keep things impartial? I like the system idea a lot but I do NOT trust the fact that only certain people can serve

[Anonymous No.24528614]

>>24527056
the shills won’t say this but the kleros courts are more Jewish than irl, if you can believe that

[Anonymous No.24528643]

The last animal cruelty case had me pretty shaken up. I love dispersing justice but that... I am no longer the same man.
The Kleros police was very accommodating though and gave me a night off in a hotel. But crime doesn’t rest... and neither does Kleros justice

[Anonymous No.24528679]

>>24528614
bullish then

[Anonymous No.24528690]

>>24528643
Holy shit you were in that case? I heard the rumors... truly gruesome. You are doing gods work.

[Anonymous No.24528713]

>>24527220
Retard alert

[Anonymous No.24528738]

>>24527056
thanks i just bought 10K

[Anonymous No.24528785]

>>24527056
Sir I done the most needful I could and sadly for me and my family can not do any more needful

[Anonymous No.24528831]

>>24527582
>$10
>$10/.1=100
>100x
>but that’s about it

People love being fucking faggots from reddit

[Anonymous No.24528985]

>>24527137
Meme economy

[Anonymous No.24529007]

The schelling point is to vote honestly so people who purely want to maximize returns are still incentivized to act in a good way. Compare this to how current disputes are resolved: a central party with ulterior motives (eg ebay) literally decides everything, so this is defo less impartial than a kleros court

[Anonymous No.24529069]

>>24528690
>>24528643
For fuck sakes shut up

[Anonymous No.24529252]

>>24528082
https://resolve.kleros.io/
You can plug kleros into your smart contract to tell you anything you could possibly want. It's incredibly cheap now and when they implement xdai with the next version it's going to be an order of magnitude cheaper. Without input of real world information into smart contracts, they can't function effectively. Kleros can do that for you, right now, for a very low price. It's even cheaper than LINK.

[Anonymous No.24529456]

NO BUY im still accmumulate

[Anonymous No.24529569]

All I needed to buy PNK was to see Vitalik Buterin shilling Kleros. Then I was like TAKE MY FUCKING MONEY AND A KIDNEY OF MINE, OR EVEN BETTER, TAKE MY TWO KIDNEYS.

That's how I bought my humble stack of 200,000 PNK.

[Anonymous No.24529590]

>>24527253
>100k
>Should be enough for a nice holiday or so
consoomers like you are the biggest problem retard nigger waste of skin parasite

[Anonymous No.24530214]

>>24529590
Whats wrong sweaty

[Anonymous No.24531062]

>>24528582
anons are tired of answering the same questions that are easily available with one google search

[Anonymous No.24531078]

>>24531062
ok then whats the google search? ill do it right now

[Anonymous No.24531111]

>>24531078
you wanna search for "how do i kill myself"

[Anonymous No.24531169]

>>24531111
gee you guys must sure trust this coin so much that you're too intimidated to answer a question and tell the person asking it to kill themselves

[Anonymous No.24531191]

>>24527251
lmfao

[Anonymous No.24531303]

>>24531169
SIRE you are the one who is asking for terms to search and i am telling you what to type PLEASE do the needful next time and DYOR

[Anonymous No.24531342]

>>24528582
Nothing wrong with third worders sir what's you're problem?

[Anonymous No.24531371]

>>24531303
>>24531342
ok ok I cant resist the memes. ill buy it... ill buy it

[Anonymous No.24531373]

>>24531169
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+does+kleros+work&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS867US867&oq=how+does+kleros+work&aqs=chrome.0.0i457j0j0i22i30l2j0i10i22i30l2j0i22i30l2.2069j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[Anonymous No.24531571]

>>24528582
Anyone who stakes PNK can serve. If you vote with the majority of judges you are rewarded, if you don't you lose your PNK. You don't know how the other judges will vote, so your only solution is to know your shit and vote truthfully.

[Anonymous No.24531595]

>>24528582
Ultimately it doesn't matter who's on the court. If it's a retarded pajeet with no technical or legal knowledge, they'll lose all their stake soon enough.

[Anonymous No.24531596]

>>24527251
looks like another ethereum killer that's going to make more bagholders out of /biz/

[Anonymous No.24531730]

Listen, Kleros' CEO Clement is a known French scammer. He was an advisor to the REQ team and lent his talents to the dutch project Blockport. They fully exit scammed through bankruptcy. Wake up, crypto is full of scams.

[Anonymous No.24531816]

>>24531111
kek this did it for me, i'm in

[Anonymous No.24531857]

>>24527056
pnk must be about to dump. Last time there was this must shilling it shit the bed hard and nobody talked about it again for like a month.

[Anonymous No.24531871]

>>24531111
Checked

[Anonymous No.24532117]

>>24531857
i hope so i want to buy more cheap pnkies

[Anonymous No.24533119]

>>24527172
Idk why any Bizraeli who was here since 2017 wouldn’t have a 50k+ stack of PNK, 10K LINK, and 1MM RSR. There’s simply no excuse.

[Anonymous No.24533185]

>>24527137
>>24527162
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.24533506]

>>24533119
>rsr
come on

[Anonymous No.24533522]

>>24527162
>>24527137
I read the whitepaper on it today. Kleros is using the blockchain to provide a dispute-resolution service.
Here's how I would greentext it.
>Be me
>hire pajeet to build me a website
>he does a shot job
>the contract states if we are not om agreement about the work done that we will use Kleros to resolve the argument
>I post my dispute on the Kleros website with our agreement and the contracted website as evidence
>Kleros program "hires" a group of arbitrators who signed up to act as judges. They have to put up a small of amount of coin (PNK) to act as judges.
>if 7 of the judges say the website fulfills the agreement, and 3 disagree, I lose my case and the fee for the website is sent to pajeet
>the 7 judges who were in agreement that I should lose the case collect PNK from the 3 judges who were not in agreement (they vote by secret ballot, so to speak). If you as a judge are on the minority ruling side you lose the PNK you put up. If you are with the majority you collect from the losers.
>I also have to shell out ETH to pay the gas for all of this

There are all kinds of problems with this, some of which they address, somenthey don't. I don't think I would ever agree to Kleros arbitration personally so it's hard for me to back the project. That said, I'm sure plenty of people would. And whether or not you can make a 1000% ROI has little to do with how much real world value the project has as we've seen plenty of times.

[Anonymous No.24533604]

>>24531595
Nope, retard pajeets just need to make up more than half the board and they'll win every time no matter how dumb and wrong they are, and they'll be paid for being wrong amd convinced they're right. That's one of my big hangups with it. The low payout versus the high time commitment to serve as a judge implies it could mostly be low skill people with little education serving as your judge.

[Anonymous No.24533610]

>>24527056
Token not needed, sir

[Anonymous No.24533634]

>>24529007
Which is exactly why ebay, banks, retailers, merchants etc won't want to use it. Their arbitrators have a preference for their clients to win.

[Anonymous No.24533642]

>>24528643
I heard about that on Kleros scan. I didn’t get a chance to read through all the documents. But I did serve as a juror on a rape case last week. I got .32 ETH for 48 hours of deliberate work on kleros civil sub court

[Anonymous No.24533668]

>>24533642
I had to walk through blood and bones up to my knees to investigate the crime scene where the animals were tortured. At least I got to hit the GKG (Golden Kleros Gavel) as it was my turn.

[Anonymous No.24533673]

>>24528582
Whales have a financial incentive to maintain the integrity of the network. If they are biased in their judgements, the network and their tokens will be worthless.

[Anonymous No.24533678]

>>24533522
>I don't think I would ever agree to Kleros arbitration personally
Me neither, but I guess the concept will get refined with use.
Miss me with a pile of autists judging a contract breach

[Anonymous No.24533711]

>>24533668

Mine was involving a rape case in what you would consider a suburb of Mumbai. They call it “Palm Beach” somewhere in Sector 18 I believe. I hear it’s a nice place, relatively speaking, nothing compared to the Palm Beach in America. But a quaint enough place overlooking the Arabian Sea, without the hustle and bustle of downtown Mumbai, and a part of India where there’s no McDonald’s but international schools, banks, etc. A little slice of civilization in uncultured rot.

Anyway the case was odd, I was on a hung jury that saw the case appealed to the appellate court (real PNK whales who sit on the appeals and Supreme Court from their large deposits). It basically involved the victim being raped off of Budhyadev Mandir Marg Blvd leaving the Bank of India around 9am local time.

I won’t bore you with all the deals but the victim was taken down the street to Pooja Hospital, literally less than a block from the attack. The victim almost died, not due to injuries sustained but an infection she picked up from the hospital. Thankfully the hospital did submit the rape kit to us, of course with the victims consent.

[Anonymous No.24533720]

>>24528582
>Are the people on the courts full of third worlders?
ok ill bite. In order to be selected for kleros court you need to stake PNK, sometimes hundreds/thousands of USD worth.

so nigger let me ask - do you really believe third worlders are spending any disposable income they may have on internet meme money? furthermore, who will be more likely make up the bulk of the jury just based on who has more money to stake and be selected for jury? third worlders or based internet autists? use your head

[Anonymous No.24533738]

>>24533720
You say that but my rape case got hung because of street shitters.

>>24533711
Anyway the one CCTV functioning on the street on the banks north side caught the perp riding off on a Suzuki Access 125, red in color, no tags. It was all caught on grainy film, where we the jurors got to see the graphic film first hand. Even more off the wall, was that the victim knew her attacker, and was able to secure a warrant in another sub court. So when he was picked up by the kelors police he did have a solid a defense that he tried to present, but it didn’t fool me. I think it fooled the 3rd worlders who were also part of the jury. We don’t deliberate together, it’s separate. I just knew there was a hung decision that 3-6 that they couldn’t prove beyond a reasonable doubt he was actually there.

What led it to being a hung jury was that the suspect was able to convince other jurors beyond a reasonable doubt that he wasn’t there, due to the grainy film resolution, no one else recalled him or the attack at all when witnesses were questioned by kleors police, and he was able to convince some other jurors that he was doing his morning business across channel in a different sector of Mumbai. He even uploaded a little picture of an indian man that vaguely resembled him with what could have been a photoshopped news paper in the foreground. He also did upload the kleros police statements.

[Anonymous No.24533757]

The exchanges are becoming less popular in the last year. We need to invest in more innovative systems like gotem.io. You can stake nodes to run a decentralized version of the platform.

[Anonymous No.24533792]

>>24533604
Yeah, but there's no guarantee they'll all be wrong in the same direction. Usually a group of idiots ends up acting intelligently when their votes are averaged (see The Wisdom of Crowds by Surowiecki, the original twitch plays pokemon, or the functioning of 4chan as a whole)

Also, worst case there still has to be a transition period in which pajeets make up a minority of the courts before they take over everything. Either they'll get scared away, or learn to vote intelligently, solving the problem

[Anonymous No.24533808]

>>24533720
How much do you actually have to stake to be a judge? I feel like it would have tobbe hundreds or thousands for it to be worth my time, but then I wouldn't want to risk losing that much either. It's a big time commitment. You have to read through multiple cases, apply for them, and maybe only rarely be selected. Then you have to spend time examining the evidence and doing research if applicable. I'd probably want to make at least a hundred dollars from that work, and wouldn't want to risk more than ten, but of course it would work the other way where you have to put up several times more than the reward. A thousand dollar risk? No thanks.

[Anonymous No.24533817]

>>24533792
Plus, even if there are systematic biases in the kleros courts due to them being full of retards, that's no worse than the current court system which is also full of retards who weren't smart enough to avoid jury duty.

[Anonymous No.24533825]

Literally nobody is going to use this bullshit it is retarded.

Yea ok, here’s a hypothetical.

I hire you to fix the plumbing in my house. You fuck it up, we use Kleros court and I lose. What’s stoping me from suing you in real court where actual laws apply, I can be represented by counsel and have the case decided by a judge and jury?

[Anonymous No.24533828]

>>24533738
Stop larping, you're on every fucking PNK thread.

[Anonymous No.24533857]

>>24533825
I think this is meant to cover issues that cross borders or otherwise would have unclear court/legal system jurisdiction, or where the time/money expense of traditional courts would normally stop someone from suing

[Anonymous No.24533861]

>>24533792
>yeah, but there's no guarantee they'll all be wrong in the same direction
I think most cases are a simple yes/ no, gulity/ not guilty, breach of contract/ no breach etc. I don't think the blockchain scorecard understands nuance.

[Anonymous No.24533867]

>>24533825
Crypto loans, insurance, etc are a huge market and enough of a use case to not have to worry about the outside world.
Plus, given the way things are going "real" courts will end up recognizing crypto agreements.

[Anonymous No.24533881]

>>24533861
Again, see my references. Even in simple situations retards on either end of the scale end up averaging out.

[Anonymous No.24533903]

>>24533825
It could be legally binding if both parties agree to it beforehand. Your credit card company uses their own arbitrators to settle disputes out of court and agreeing to it (or more accurately not stating that you don't agree to it in advance) means you forfeit your right to judicial process.

[Anonymous No.24533905]

>>24527056
Not a total brainlet. Went to law school for free. I tenuously understand most top 20 crypto projects. Don't understand how or why decentralized mediation could ever truly takeoff. Shill me here. I don't get PNK.

[Anonymous No.24533967]

Also looking at the map of jurors, it appeals much more to whites than it does to poos.

[Anonymous No.24533995]

>>24533808
See here: http://klerosboard.com/odds/

[Anonymous No.24534036]

sirs?
>>24533900
>>24533900
>>24533900
>>24533900

[Anonymous No.24534376]

>>24533903
This was one of my main concerns, very interesting...

[Anonymous No.24534426]

Sirs do not spoonfeed white man we must keep this gem within our divine race praise vishnu
never stop accumulating the kleros token sirs 40 dollar token 2024 sirs vishnu bless you all

[Anonymous No.24534489]

>>24533522
nobody on gods green earth would agree to this retarded nonsensical tripe kek

[Anonymous No.24534800]

>>24527220
>>There is no argument for it
You are being served papers, anon. See you in the Kleros high court. Wear a suit.