Cold Wallets

[Anonymous No.24402406]

What cold wallet do you use, /biz/?

[Anonymous No.24402460]

>>24402406
best place to store your seeds is your balls

[Anonymous No.24402480]

>>24402460
Too late.
It's all already in your mom.

[Anonymous No.24402504]

>>24402406
Trezor one

[Anonymous No.24402784]

would this be a good choice biz ? with US gubmint wanting to kyc wallets and all

[Anonymous No.24402809]

i ordered ledger x on blackfriday for 70euro. did i made a mistake? i know they had info leaked, but if i dont confirm transaction how can they extract funds from me? i think thats impossible? i tought about trezor, but its just too expensive for me, im a 2nd world poorfag

[Anonymous No.24402858]

>>24402406
Used a ledger before, now an airgapped pc and will hodl forever

[Anonymous No.24402886]

>>24402858
Why did you stop using Ledger?

[Anonymous No.24402901]

>>24402809
No the ledger is great.

[Anonymous No.24403024]

Own a trezor One. Just bought ledger x.
The trezor is nice with it's exodus integration, but the build quality isn't exactly what I'd prefer. Definately go with the metal trezor if you're going to buy one.

[Anonymous No.24403050]

>>24402406
You are an idiot if you use one for most of your portfolio(unless youre an exchange or have 1mil+). Just diversify your money between coinbase pro and FTX. There is no way they both get hacked and also, they are both insured so you get money back if they lose it. Cold wallets are just a way to put a target on your back and lose private keys. Trust me, I've lost a decent amount to losing seeds/pins before and never thought it would happen to me but it did

[Anonymous No.24403060]

>>24402406
>"Cold Wallets"
>What cold wallet do you use, /biz/?
>posts pic of ledger
I don't think you're using that term correctly

[Anonymous No.24403073]

Cobo vault pro. Well designed...but doesn’t support XMR or DAI

[Anonymous No.24403092]

>>24403060
No, I am. Hardware wallets are cold wallets.

[Anonymous No.24403095]

>>24403050
>trust exchanges; you are surely too retarded to take care of yourself
>don't worry, they're "insured"
absolutely disgusting

[Anonymous No.24403097]

>>24402460
>tfw left your seeds with some roastie

[Anonymous No.24403146]

>>24403050
Why would I listen to someone who cant even keep track of his private keys

[Anonymous No.24403159]

>>24403073
I never see these mentioned here so I dunno. What makes this a better buy over Ledger or Trezor?

[Anonymous No.24403180]

>>24402406
Nano X & S

[Anonymous No.24403204]

Is it dumb to just keep all your shit on metamask

[Anonymous No.24403243]

>>24402886
They got hacked already, and people's emails on file were then used to send those people official looking phishing messages

[Anonymous No.24403253]

this

[Anonymous No.24403254]

>>24403159
Bigger screen and doesn’t use usb so it’s less hackable. Even erases itself if you open it up.

[Anonymous No.24403286]

>>24403050
*kvetching intensifies*

[Anonymous No.24403297]

>>24403204
Depends how much you trust MM and your web browser. MM supports import of existing private keys though, so I hodl in Signata and then export the keys from there to put into MM when I want to do swaps for shitcoins.

[Anonymous No.24403341]

>>24403254
Hmm I have a 15% off so i may look into buying one .. thanks u

[Anonymous No.24403342]

>>24402406
>>24403254
>Even erases itself if you open it up.
Possible to back up your coins on a second wallet?

[Anonymous No.24403588]

>>24402886
Airgapped pc is even more secure

[Anonymous No.24403681]

>>24402406
Nowadays I don't see the added benefit from buying a dedicated hardware wallet.

IMO, an old and/or cheap factory reset general purpose device that stays eternally offline is far superior. Like an old Android phone or tablet or an old laptop.

You can get an Android tablet for $50 (cheaper than a hardware wallet), put Electrum on it, put Electrum on your online Android phone and do a cold storage setup that way. Seed and master private key is encrypted on the offline tablet, master public keys is on the hot phone.

Unsigned transactions to the tablet and signed transaction from the tablet can be transported via QR-codes, which is actually more secure than physically plugging a hardware wallet into your hot machine.

If you need shitcoin support, though, buy either a Trezor or a Ledger. If you buy a Ledger buy it through a proxy-mailer, to a non-resident address of yours, use a burner e-mail that doesn't leak your real name and demand in written form as soon as you have your Ledger in your possession, that Ledger Inc. deletes all your identifying personal data. These idiots leak that shit constantly and sooner or later someone will show up at one of their customers doors with a gun and demand the corn.

[Anonymous No.24403703]

>>24402406
my private key is written on the buttplug I wear all the time

[Anonymous No.24403736]

>>24403681
but old phones or laptops can go bust? no?

for me? i keep my 100k porfolio on cuckoin, even when they got hacked not long ago i got all my funds back

[Anonymous No.24403804]

>>24403736
>but old phones or laptops can go bust? no?
EVERYTHING can go bust. That's why have a seed backup.

Preferably, you have 3 different offline devices and make a 2-of-3-multi-sig, which is really easy to do with Electrum. Or 5 different offline devices and make a 3-of-5-multi-sig.

[Anonymous No.24403807]

>>24402460
Where would I store my pee?!

[Anonymous No.24403831]

>>24402784
am a retard what does kyc mean, kill your crypto or something? please fucking help me

[Anonymous No.24403845]

>>24403831
means kill your celf

[Anonymous No.24403868]

>using propriety hardware/software instead of just buying and airgapping a raspberry pi
NGMI

[Anonymous No.24403873]

>>24403831
Incredibly bullish for my shitcoins

[Anonymous No.24403906]

>>24402809
they leak your address so jamal (or muhammud in europoor's case) can come and rob you

[Anonymous No.24403913]

>>24402406
I use Ledger Nano X, got one reduced for $69.
Just divide your 24 seed words by 3. Then group them together like so: AB, BC, AC
Store them at three secure places.

[Anonymous No.24403922]

>>24403050
> Cold wallets are just a way to put a target on your back and lose private keys. Trust me, I've lost a decent amount to losing seeds/pins before and never thought it would happen to me but it did
>unless youre an exchange or have 1mil+

wat?

[Anonymous No.24403939]

>>24402809
no, they can't do anything with your leaked info (assuming it leaked, i think it was only past customers and a few weeks ago) except email you phishing emails, be very careful about any email you get from 'ledger', double check to make sure its real

[Anonymous No.24403948]

>>24403868
Raspberry Pi's are proprietary, mate. It's all a Broadcom blackbox.

[Anonymous No.24403957]

>>24403050
>coinbase
kill yourself. ive been holding crypto since mtgox was the ONLY exchange. imagine if i had taken your advice and put my crypto on there. faggot
>(((insured)))
your dumb!

[Anonymous No.24403969]

>>24403204
depends how much crypto you have. would you rope if you lost it because you didn't spend a couple hundred on a hardware wallet and some website you visited was using a 0day browser exploit to get into your metamask?

[Anonymous No.24403999]

>>24403342
coins aren't 'on' a wallet, please read this
https://blockgeeks.com/guides/blockchain-address-101/

tldr: you need to keep a backup of the seed phrase in a secure location, preferably using a fireproof medium like cryptosteel

[Anonymous No.24404009]

Trezor T. Don't want my coins to magically "disappear" when coinbase gets hacked

[Anonymous No.24404017]

>>24403868
absolute retard

[Anonymous No.24404046]

>>24403254
>doesn’t use usb so it’s less hackable

Should I be concerned?

t. Ledger Nano S

[Anonymous No.24404075]

A paper wallet, also backed up digitally as a picture, in a bunch of password' zipped files,

[Anonymous No.24404097]

>>24404046
no, that guy's a clown with probably no credentials, probably drives a truck for a living yet hes on here spouting nonsense. USB BAD DURR

[Anonymous No.24404110]

>>24404075
>hacker gets contents of your hdd
>bruteforce zip file pw
>huh i wonder what this 24 random words in a row in this pictures for

that's one level above using a line out of a novel for your seed phrase

[Anonymous No.24404131]

>>24404110
this. just write it down on a piece of paper u fucking moron. if u ever use it tho ur ledger is as good as hot wallet

[Anonymous No.24404157]

>>24404110
nah it's a password zip in a password zip in a password zip, long non dictionary passwords

if they can 'le brute forced' so easily, they might as well brute force the private key of largest bitcoin wallets........

[Anonymous No.24404198]

>>24403913
This is a bad idea. More spots for someone to find it and easier to crack if you have part of a phrase then none.

[Anonymous No.24404214]

>>24404157
where are you storing the passwords to your multi layered zip files faggot
>somewhere else
nice, you didn't even solve the problem
>in my mind
then it's bruteforceable
>no its not lol!
post it here then

[Anonymous No.24404215]

Or just get one of those vocabulary books and write your seed into it with the translation. Nobody will get that it is a seed, everyone will think this is just you trying to learn a new language.

[Anonymous No.24404227]

>>24404215
what if your house burns down with the book inside

[Anonymous No.24404231]

>>24404198
It is a compromise. With redundancy you are minimizing the chance of losing your coins but also if someone finds parts of your seed it is useless to them. You can also think about 64bit encoding your seed or whatever

[Anonymous No.24404254]

>>24404227
what if your seed phrase gets lost in your rectal cavity

[Anonymous No.24404291]

>>24404214
you really must not be able to do math

[Anonymous No.24404307]

>>24404254
Dig deeper then

[Anonymous No.24404308]

>>24404291
like i said, where are you storing the passwords, faggot. those now have to be securely stored somewhere

[Anonymous No.24404338]

>>24403913
why not just memorise it, takes like 2 days to do

[Anonymous No.24404353]

>>24404308
how big do you think a non-dictionary password has to be to be sufficiently resistant to cracking?
no, I don't actually have to store a 100 character password anywhere

[Anonymous No.24404390]

>>24404353
>no, I don't actually have to store a 100 character password anywhere
what? what the fuck are you even saying? i would throw a brick at your head if you were anywhere near me.

if you memorized 3 100 character passwords for your multilayer zip file you might as well have memorized your 24 character seed phrase, the BIP39 uses standard english words with an average length of like 5 characters, 5 x 24 is 120, you dumb ass fucking LARPING nigger. get hit by a truck

[Anonymous No.24404396]

>>24404353
24 characters long and tattoo it on your ass

[Anonymous No.24404401]

>>24404338
what if you can't memorize it after ten years?

[Anonymous No.24404415]

>>24402406
>>24402504
>>24402784
>>24402809
>>24402858
>>24403024
>>24403073
Still not pricelocking your cryptos, /biz/?
Cmon,it's been what, four years now?
You're still talking about all hardware wallets except ((that one))?
NGMI

[Anonymous No.24404414]

>>24404338
>just memorize it
again, i hope something goes wrong, i hope there's an accident when you walk under a ladder and a hammer hits you on the head or something, i know its mean but sorry bro, can't have people like you prospering and reproducing

[Anonymous No.24404458]

>>24404390
my password isn't 100 character you goober
I'm saying it's mine is short enough to be remembered, and is still sufficient against brute force attacks

you're acting like anything less than a private key is too little entropy to be used as a zip file password......

[Anonymous No.24404509]

>>24404458
you wouldn't have this problem in the first place if you didn't stick you seed in a zip file you faggot

[Anonymous No.24404525]

>>24404509
there is no problem

[Anonymous No.24404543]

>>24404525
you know what youre right. because someone like you getting robbed isnt a problem.

[Anonymous No.24404587]

I have a ledger S, is there any benefit to buy a trezor too as it is on sale now?

[Anonymous No.24404611]

>>24404587
No, unless you fell for the ledger FUD and desperately look for an alternative right now.

[Anonymous No.24404787]

>>24403999
Thanks fren

[Anonymous No.24404842]

>>24404543
I'm unlikely to be robbed and even if I am, they won't crack my passwords =^)

[Anonymous No.24405126]

>>24404842
the fact you think a photo is somehow safer than a txt file is all i need to know. i will sleep well tonight knowing you will be parted with your crypto sometime in the future :3

[Anonymous No.24405150]

>>24403831
Know your customer, coinbase is a major exchange where you have to submit id to trade at all. Rumors are up that either trump or Biden want to enable kyc for wallets in case people bought crypto off a non KYC exchange and transferred it to their wallet, this is so that people don’t avoid tax. Sucks I know, but you will own nothing and you will be happy

[Anonymous No.24405169]

Where should a complete new retard at crypto hodl his crypto? Is the hardware ledger the only safe option?

[Anonymous No.24405297]

>>24402460
But my balls are full of pee

[Anonymous No.24405321]

>>24402406
pen and paper

[Anonymous No.24405389]

>>24404842
um, but perhaps the photo is something normal and the private key is only there hidden with stenography o_o

now what? =^)

[Anonymous No.24405536]

>>24405389
Now check these dubs

[Anonymous No.24406127]

>>24404414
youre a bad person and lost

[Anonymous No.24407098]

>>24405321
Is this the only option if you dont want to spend money on hardware jew?

[Anonymous No.24407282]

>>24404842
Fucking retard, you think someone that breaks into your home and takes you or your family hostage is going to sit there trying to crack your password? You’ll spit the password out right after you’ve pissed yourself.

[Anonymous No.24408070]

>>24407282
they won't know for sure it's accessable on my computer
I have a print out for such an occasion explaining multi-sig wallets saying the key is split up between 3 trusted family members/friends and that they'll all immediately call the police if I ever request their key part by phone incase of this very senerio, and that the Bitcoin is a long term investment that only needs to be spent once if I'm cashing out for good or dead