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24252840 No.24252840 [Reply] [Original]

People who already made it, is money really that important? Are you happier now?

>> No.24252872

>>24252840
who is this fucking kid?
remind me of aladeen as a kid in "dictator"

>> No.24252894

no
i feel nothing

>> No.24252940

it is always chinese communists posting cp. ccp = communist child pornographers

>> No.24253400

>>24252840
Imagine 3 muscle bound dudes in shorts sitting around talking to a 3~ year old girl. Fuck double standard bullshit.

>> No.24253436

>>24252894
But you have real stability now, don't you?

>> No.24253449

>>24253400
>Imagine 3 muscle bound dudes in shorts sitting around talking to a 3~ year old girl. Fuck double standard bullshit.
what double standard
that sounds perfectly fine in a gym setting... the kid would be one of their daughters...

>>24252840
>>24252894
money is one component of a happy life
you can't take it with you when you die
the real wealth is the area under the curve of enjoying your life

>> No.24253480

>>24253400
It was you who immediately jumped to pedophilia. That came from you.

>> No.24253520

>>24253400
Hot. Why were I supposed to imagine that?

>> No.24253568

>>24253480
Woah woah, I said absolutely nothing about pedophilia, that came from YOU.

>> No.24253615

>>24253480
>>24253568
If the richest and smartest people in the world is okay with it, why do you have to criticize it?

>> No.24253618

I'm not rich by any means, but I spend so little I realized I could quit my job and have enough money to live my 30s without working and take care of my body, mind and family/gf/friends so I did it. 5 years later I'm glad I did it.

I guess I made it, and money is quite important since I need it to survive, but I don't have yachts and mansions obviously.
I'll take another comfy bookshop job in a few years I guess and retire at 50-55, except if ETH goes up way more then I won't have to work ever again.
I'm lucky to have a frugal conservative gf with no need of fancy shit and no social media though.

>> No.24253629

>>24253480
>>24253568

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>>24253480
>>24253568
U

>> No.24253668

>>24253618
I can see some real wisdom here.

>> No.24253710

>>24253618
sounds very comfy, i also quit my job a year ago and if cryptos shit the bed i will get a retard tier job where i dont need to use my brain and keep working until i have made it from my investments.

>> No.24253767

>>24253568
Regardless there is a double standard because men and women are different. Women are nurturing mothers, men by instinct protect women. There may be a double standard but it’s rooted in nature.

>> No.24253795

>>24252840
I'm actually a millionaire because of crypto. Bought a meme car even.

The short answer is yes it makes you happier because all of a sudden institutions like the bank that holds your mortgage have zero power over you. It's just very freeing.

That said, other than being able to buy mostly whatever you want (you would not believe how fast this becomes meh, especially if you already made six figures), none of your other problems change. Your relationships are the same, except you will see some people act differently. For example some people get clearly butthurt. It's awkward somewhat.

The start lifting meme is not a meme. Get in fucking shape. It makes everything better.

I'd be happy to answer more questions. It was my life long goal and I still get giddy about it, but there's a real opportunity for self destruction that's tangible.

>> No.24253805

>>24253400
women don't rape little kids. Most female rape is usually teacher on 14 years old sport chad, or fatties on drugged males

>> No.24253834

never drank so much beer in my life

>> No.24253885

>>24252840
Money = freedom

>> No.24253912

>>24253795
This guy gets it. And you don’t need to make it to start lifting.

>> No.24253982

>>24253400
No, fuck pretending women and men are equal.
Take the redpill already, retard. Your cognitive dissonance is showing.

>> No.24253985

>>24253480
>>24253568
Faggots. Go back to faggot.com

>> No.24254064

>>24253618
Based. Good for you anon.

>> No.24254146

I didn't make it, I was just born into wealth, but I'm pretty sure at least I'm happier than I would be if I were a poorfag.

>> No.24254151

>>24253795
>For example some people get clearly butthurt.
Tell us more, please.

Also, thanks for the advice.

>> No.24254160 [DELETED] 

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> Multichain and cross chain
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> @cryptorubic_chat

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>> No.24254384

>>24253436
I made it but it didn't change things much at all, just part of a larger strategy. But you pretty much hit the nail on the head for me.

I've always had 6-12 months of emergency savings after about 2 years saving at my first job, back when I paid rent to parents. I never let that drop and reconciled it as my living expenses increased.

I was able to take risks and new jobs and spend time learning skills on my own. I never had to worry about being fired because I was always ready for it, so I could act boldly and call people out on their bullshit. On the flip side, I could also be humble and admit mistakes readily with no risk too. It was fuck you money on a tiny enough scale to matter.

Today with a family of 5, I feel no different. That 6-12 month savings I've maintained for a little over a decade is all that matters in terms of opportunity, happiness, security. The safety net now is massive, but it was always big enough so it doesn't make a tangible difference. It's the same financial independence I've been operating on this whole time.

Overall I spend more time hiding my money than spending it. It's poison to personal relationships. So in that sense it is just another liability to a path of unhappiness. I realized buying whatever I want wasn't really that fulfilling weighed against the liability the exposure brings.

Lately, I'm privately very generous to friends and family when they're really fucked (especially with this COVID bullshit). We make the gift "our secret" when it happens. Everyone is grateful enough to keep the secret and believes I could just barely afford it because I have a good job. I think I'll be happier on my death bed for it compared to the things I would spoil myself or kids with otherwise.

>> No.24254526

>>24253805
You are retarded

>> No.24254549

>>24254384
It seems that money has not changed you. Congratulations, anon.

I wonder what I will do when that time comes, for now I struggle to achieve that economic independence that will allow me to see beyond.

>> No.24254737

>>24252872
That is a very young Zyzz.

>> No.24254944

>>24252840
>is money really that important?
it helps but what helps more is removing the toxic people from your life

>> No.24255073

>>24253982
>oh no i dont take men and women as equal
>meanwhile corps does
>yet courts doesnts
>yet army does
>yet sometimes it doesnt
>he still thinks his "we not equal" works
no dude, you have to make them get sick of equlity
rot from inside

>> No.24255136

>>24253767
thats only YOU.
corps says women are equal, yet they have different rights.
courts says we are equal, yet double standards.
instead of pushing for differences you have to act like them.
talk about double standards in law and court and army.
talk about equal rights in office and leaves.
you wanna defeat the Jew, you need to fight like a Jew

>> No.24255210

>>24252840
Money is meaningless. Shame it took me so long to fucking realize that.

>> No.24255219

>>24253795
>For example some people get clearly butthurt
lived that life anon.
normies get jelious of everything.
>be the smartest kid in school
they get butthurt
>make more money
butthurt
>good investment
butthurt
nowadays i just live to make normies seethe
normies are literally crab in a bucket

>> No.24255292

>>24254737
kek
i actually think its robert grandson or something

>> No.24255854

>>24254384
i like you
good job dude

>> No.24255979

>>24253795
>None of your other problems change

But does it become easier to fix them? I'd imagine completely getting rid of that burden of money and being a modern day serf would make it a lot easier to focus on other things. Or has your life literally not changed besides "I want thing, I buy thing"?

>Start lifting

Based. It's helped me immensely.

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>>24255219
>nowadays i just live to make normies seethe

Dare I say, based?

>> No.24256144

>>24253795
>>24254384

What were both of your 'make it' stacks and where do you live?

I'm sitting on a net worth of about 4m USD right now thanks mainly to crypto, although a lot is going to tax as capital gains and income tax from farming, so it's probably more like 2.5m at this point.

I'm planning to hold through this bullrun (500k in fiat so I can ride out a few yrs if needed) then sell, I presume at 15-40m stack.

How do you self motivate? I find not working causes me to procrastinate and get anxious. How do you deal with all the extra time with your family? I love them, but being near them all day would drive me nuts.

>> No.24257251

>>24256144
>How do you self motivate?
Poorfag here, but I think you should rely on human needs. Apparently you have plenty of time to have children, educate them properly and spend quality time with them. You can also explore, learn, live adventures and new experiences, start projects or businesses in order to improve the world...

>> No.24257358

>>24252840
“Money doesn’t buy happiness” is the biggest fucking cope

>> No.24257429

>>24254151
Using voice to text so excuse any grammatical errors.

I'll give you two examples within the last couple of months. The first time an acquaintances wife saw my car, she said something to the effect of being able to save up for a fancy car because I don't have kids, and it's something to get out of the way when I'm still young. You could tell from the way that she said it that it was from a place of pure butt hurt. What I didn't say was bitch I could buy like 20 of these. I didn't save up. I'm not sacrificing anything. If you can't buy it twice you can't afford it.

The second happened more recently and was someone that if you asked me a year ago I would say they are one of my very best friends, but I wonder if they just won't be able to get over the fact that I'm rich. Basically the winter of 2017, him and his wife came to me asking about crypto and whatnot. I basically told them by Ethereum, buy link, buy a little Bitcoin. At the time Ethereum was about $1,000 and Link was like a dollar. I told them now is not the time to buy, in my opinion, but it was their money and they were free to do what they wanted. But I recommended that they wait.

well relatively recently, I got a little drunk with the same guy. He got a little too drunk, and you could start to hear some of the butt hurt leak out. He was saying shit like how I should have warned him more strongly to not buy then, or that I should have told him to buy more. just a really fucking weird thing to say, and you could tell that this is something that he had been thinking about.

People just get weird man. Especially the people that I tried to help along the way, and they either politely dismissed me, or told me they would look into it and obviously never did. Not proofreading any of this by the way.

>> No.24257528

>>24255979
Yeah if I'm being completely honest it does make life just less stressful generally. I am trying to downplay it just a little bit so that the anons that haven't made it yet Don't think it's this huge chasm of quality of life. But it does definitely take some stressors away.

I would say one of the biggest things that's changed, really thinking about it now, is my overall attitude towards things. I've never taken life too seriously, but now I take general institutions and authorities even way less seriously. I also feel like I'm just way more confident in myself because I don't really give a fuck what you think. I don't have to worry about ruining my reputation so I don't get a job or something by having the wrong opinion. That said I do still keep my day job, mostly because I make good money and I work remote and it's still not worth the price of losing my salary and benefits just to sit around and smoke weed all day.

>> No.24257575

>>24254146
Wow must be nice

>> No.24257724

>>24256144
How in God's green Earth are you about to pay 1.5 million dollars in capital gains in one year... What?

To answer your question though, I don't know what that make it stack meme actually means in practice because if you are not constantly growing your positions what are you even doing here. I could tell you what my initial buy was at $0.17 for link, but I don't see how that's helpful. I originally got into Ethereum around $7, and I traded in and out of Bitcoin a lot when it was $300 to $600. I made most of my money with Ethereum and link though.

>> No.24257944

>>24257429
What's your advice for someone entering crypto rn? Migrated from Pol a week ago and been researching nonstop, looking to just accumulate over time. Market seems v unpredictable rn

>> No.24258053

>>24257429
Dang, I am sorry to hear that, mate. If it helps, it of course is not your fault.

It sounds like it's the only way they know to rationalize their lack of success and bad decisions, for it is easier to blame you than themselves. Even though I am a poorfag, I know that my mistakes are only mine, and even though I am not wealthy, I don't have any debts or owe anything to anyone.

Thanks for the answer, btw.

>> No.24258164

>>24257724
A lot will be income tax due to farming which is 45% top rate here, and a few flips makes the CGT add up.

By ‘make it’ stack I mean the sum total of your portfolio in fiat value that you decided to quit your job and diversify/start cashing out.

>> No.24258177

>>24257575
It's pretty good I guess. I'm not generally happy all the time but it definitely takes a load off knowing I'll most likely never have to fear for my future or anything like that.

>> No.24258178

>>24257944
Don't fall for the TA meme. It can be useful for macro trends, like looking at 1D charts, but it is not useful for hourly or even daily trading with crypto. TA was formed around securities and other traditional finance assets. The same rules do not apply to deflationary assets like Bitcoin. Nor do they apply to utility tokens like link because there is a much larger potential for a high acceleration of demand. Don't fall for the meme of crypto Twitter people trying to predict the future. None of them have any idea what the fuck they're talking about.

If all you're doing is reading literally every single day as much as you can digest, you're on the right path. What you need to learn is to spot bullshit, and to spot really solid projects. This space is all about finding relatively low market cap projects that have a lot of potential. Look at teams. Learn how to tell a story about how a business will succeed. If you apply to these rules to smartcontract.com in 2017 you'll see what I mean.

That said the only projects I have that level of faith in today are link, Ethereum, and for completely different reasons a little bit of Bitcoin. I can explain why for Bitcoin, but it's got nothing to do with its utility.

>> No.24258190

>>24256144
For my crypto I pull out the long term capital gains limit for the 15% rate. I'm very meticulous about it. I used to limit myself to the 0% rate but I found it more convenient to have fiat in most cases.

Your stack is comparable to mine. Depending how frugal you are, the amount of income you can bring in with whatever career / jobs / business you hold, and the passive income you've built you're probably done like I am.

I'm not holding on to the bullrun in any capacity. Past $10k and my holdings become irresponsible at this point, so I sell more aggressively during those periods. When it gets high enough I would be upset to lose it, that's when I know it's time to start liquidating until I'm comfortable again.

This is up until about a $400k limit for the year for tax purposes. I'm close to my limit for the year at this point so that very well might have me hanging out for whatever bullrun this ends up being.

Yes, family has been a headache. I've never liked kids. Don't get me wrong, I love my family, but I recognize realistically I need to limit my time with them. I've got the same temper my father had. I actually take pills for it now; brought me to the brink of divorce (and I don't blame her). I don't think I could have "made it" on these pills, I could be pretty ruthless in my early days.

That's actually a key motivation at this point to keep a job and stay busy: focused productive alone time away from the kids/wife "outside my control". That's a normalized approach in society and keeps to my principles.

>> No.24258192

>>24253805
happens a lot

>> No.24258194

>>24258053
Thanks mate, but no worries at all. Don't misunderstand it doesn't bother me. I feel like I have this invisible armor of just not giving a fuck. <3

>> No.24258199

>>24253767
>Women are nurturing mothers

No they are whores

>> No.24258269

>>24258164
Oh. I I still haven't quit my day job, I explained it a little bit above but I make really good money working for a silicon valley company remotely. My benefits are really good and I really enjoy what I do. I plan to stay with this job for the next few years at least while I continue to build my crypto portfolio.

For me I think that number is probably around 10 to 15 million before I'm ready to just wander the Earth doing whatever I please. it's kind of an arbitrary number though. Depending upon how I wanted to live I could very easily do that now. But I like supercars and good food.

>> No.24258297

>>24257429

How do you deal with the issue of close friends and family members dismissing your advice on crypto or other investing? Obviously you can say hey put money on x, because if it flops then they blame you. But for those who you literally showed exactly how to make money, they ignored it, then you made money, do you feel any different after? For me I just feel sad because I want to share a little excitement but no one around me wants to indulge being as “ they don’t have time, or it’s too complicated “

>> No.24258336

>>24257358
I'm not rich, and I think it's both true and cope to say "money doesn't buy happiness". If you're a dumb nigger enslaved to your passions, money won't make you happy. However it is difficult to be happy if you don't have enough money. Having kids without having a comfortable stack of money sounds like a recipe for disaster. It's also hard to imagine anyone being happy having to wage slave.

>> No.24258341

>>24253400

What the fuck are you talking about you fucking pedo? Why would there be anything wrong with a bunch of buff dudes talking to a little girl.

YOU are the one making it about sex.

>> No.24258461

>>24254384
based, literally the exact fkn truth. I’m in my mid 30s and Before becoming rich I was on 40k a year banging babes, since becoming rich it’s too obvious I have money, nice car nice house nice clothes and even women don’t rally respect it, they just assume you’re a cash machine. I sometimes miss the days of when I had fkall because I had nothing to lose, now I spend my time being less upfront and people, even friends get weird around you when they’re broke and you’re a multi millionaire. The amount of times I’ve heard “bro, you’ve changed, remember I was your boy when you had nothin, before the fancy cars bla bla” people never treat you with respect being wealthy either, those around you just assume you got lucky to make it, or inherited it. It’s not what you think bros, My net worth’s ~3M, I imagine it’s worse at 8 figures and then you can’t relate to 99.99% of people if you’re at 9 figures.

>> No.24258508

>>24258297
Yeah that's a weird thing man. I can't even tell you the number of people that have missed out on life-changing financial gains because they were either lazy or dismissive. I don't really care very much beyond finding it very very curious.

The one that really sticks out is a guy that I still consider a good friend of mine, we worked together years ago and I told him about Link when it was around $0.40. He's a technical guy and very smart, and I broke down the smart contract revolution to him basically over beers over the course of a year. He was all for it, and could explain back to me why it was going to take over. He would then say how he really needed to get himself some link. To this day he still holds none. I remember the last big dip when everything completely crashed last year, he was like I would be a fool to not pick up some link at these prices. But he never did. For the longest time I assumed it was his wife telling him no. But then I remember in passing when we were all sitting around having a couple of drinks and his wife was there, it came up and she was like I told you to buy some of it, you just never did. Very strange.

>> No.24258608

>>24258508
Not everyone is destined to make a 2x, much less anything past that. Cheers bud have a good one

>> No.24258666

>>24252840
I fuck more and better women. Does this make me happy? Kinda, I guess.

>> No.24258728

>>24258178
Thanks a lot mate. Setting up a bullshit filter is always the biggest hurdle for me cause I'm pretty open minded to all kinds of stuff, but that's usually dealt with by cross referencing/viewing shit from different angles/reading more. Normies seem to avoid this process entirely by judging right/wrong and good/bad instantly based on social acceptance (and then flip their opinion once things become acceptable).
> I can explain why for Bitcoin, but it's got nothing to do with its utility.
Is it related to fed money printing/potential of UBI happening or does "safe haven from inflation" count as utility?

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The problem rich crypto guys have is they got rich sitting in their bedroom with 0 social connections, so they default to "let's go to Thailand" like they're 50 y/o British disability check scammers.

None of you guys realize that unless you got rich doing something that suggests high status in a way girls care about, you are still going to have to pay hookers to get any, the only difference is you’ll be able to buy top shelf ones more often, rather than every two months. You can't really catch up on 30 years of constant socialization even if you make it into those circles of 30-year-old well-to-dos.

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>>24253400
Its almost like there are inherent differences in males vs. Females

>> No.24258778

>>24258297
You didn't ask me but I'll respond anyway.

Don't make it a rent free problem living in your head. I'll discuss crypto if they bring it up and want honest information and advice, but I already pitched it awhile ago to most people.

It's the same thing with any good advice you give anyone financially. Tell them to have an emergency fund or invest a consistent portion of their income or pay off debt. Same thing happens.

I've learned to understand it's not worth internalizing as my own problem, and it's common enough I just chalk it up to humans being humans and either not believing me or not having the willpower to stick to a plan.

And be careful not to play the "I told you so" game, even indirectly. That just makes you a toxic faggot, not a successful or constructive person.

>> No.24258818

>>24258508
I was telling several friends about RSR at 0.007. Only one friend followed through with it.

>> No.24258924

Read through everything, thanks rich anons for reminding me to pay more attention to my health, I've been neglecting it lately.

Can't enjoy your life to the fullest if you have shitty health.

>> No.24258932

In other words simply being wealthy won’t really change how normies see you and in some cases it will actually hurt you but it’s good not to worry about bills, once you reach a point where you likely don’t need to work again, my net worths 3.2M and I earn 70k a year passively you have a lot of time for self reflection, a lot of time to yourself and that can destroy people, people know they can’t leverage you do anything anymore and you’re more choosy with who you spend your time with and what you do. Eg, when you’re poor and there’s a big event on it’s huge and you wouldn’t miss it, but when you can fly, travel and see whatever you really want at anytime it loses it’s lustre. Restaurants etc that seemed great in the past, you can now get sick of as at anytime you can go there and eat. It’s not so “special” anymore, same as that high quality liquor you used to love on occasion, you can drink that any day you want now. Basically money gives you a ton of freedoms and nobody can really leverage you anymore, unless you let them.

>> No.24258973

>>24258924
i need money for certain medical treatments so for me, wealth and health goals are aligned. this bull run cant come soon enough.

>> No.24259046

>>24258778
I'm listening to you now fren. Please drop a little morsel of knowledge on this poorfag. I have max 3k in fiat, what moon missions shall I go on? Thank you kindly.

>> No.24259068

>>24258973
ywnbaw

>> No.24259109

>>24258461
This is all the more reason to hide it and be humble. Trust me, multi millionaires are generally out of touch smug pieces of shit that mostly got lucky or inherited it. I've found them unsatisfying to associate with or spend any meaningful amount of time with.

I play the "I've got a good job" and "I've always been financially responsible following these rules" and "lucky being in the right place right time" game. I don't feel dishonest for it and it has become the norm for me. I've also made it very clear I don't give out or loan money out of principal. But I did that early on in life before I had a significant amount of income.

I recognize humans being humans. If it's so common that people say you've changed or they're jealous, it's hard to fault them for their own perspective. If it's such a common thing, all the more reason it's a problem for *you* to solve.

If you meet a jealous asshole, fine, if everyone seems like a jealous asshole maybe you're the asshole/problem. I've lived by that for a long time.

People suck. Humans being humans though.

>> No.24259169

>>24258932
Redpill me on the passive income. 100k link holder waiting for the final 2021 or 2022 run.

>> No.24259185

>>24259109
Good points i don’t disagree with them

>> No.24259259

>>24257724
How do I go from $400k to 7 figs fren
The pain is real

>> No.24259319

>>24259109
Yup, I hide my wealth.
I drive a cheap used car and live in a small house in a good suburbian neighborhood.
People treat me the same as they did before I became financially independent. I just have alot more free time now and I use that time to work on personal projects (building tuner cars and making art).
I think I'm alot happier this way. You got limited time on this planet. Use your wealth to spend it doing what you want instead of buying expensive crap.

>> No.24259336

>>24259046
I wouldn't buy now desu unless you want to gamble. My gambling days are over. Trading on margin / options is also something I would not do; ie gambling while gambling in crypto land.

Sorry, probably not the answer you or most people here would want to hear.

In general, buy crypto when it's boring, start selling when it's more than you're willing to lose OR you recognize FOMO pouring in.

I stick with tradable Coinbase assets that have been listed 2+ years. Heavily weighted towards Bitcoin. One exception being LINK because I believe in meme magic so I give it a pass on the 2+ years issue.

There have been lots of opportunities to buy when it's boring. If you missed it this time there will probably be another time. Maybe not; for the first time I don't know where this bullrun is coming from. Maybe institutional money for real this time?

Overall, good luck if you choose to wait it out or if you choose to gamble. I wouldn't fault you for either approach as long as you feel you've honestly, soberly measured out your decisions sticking to a plan.

>> No.24259349

>>24259169
I own some real estate, I still have about 1.4 in crypto, then some other investments, I recommend by next halving taking at least a ml out and buying some income producing real estate, people will say it’s boomer tier and it’ll crash but in 08-09 rents didn’t drop despite house prices going down so it’s the yield you want. For The same reason bitcoin will moon yield will become high demand. you can later leverage them for more property, it’s really simple, mostly hands off compared to crypto. It’s your insurance ticket should crypto crater and you need to relax cause you’ve got a steady income coming in, people don’t diversify and it’s why they get forced to sell at the wrong times.

>> No.24259398

>>24254384
>I never had to worry about being fired because I was always ready for it, so I could act boldly and call people out on their bullshit.
this is the secret to people who can live without debt. when i paid off my house many people said what i was doing was financially stupid (i could earn more in market with cash then pay in mortgage interest). what they don't calculate is this.
a man without debts can say the most powerful word in the world: No.
"can you work saturday anon?"
"we're going to need to you add this to your responsibilities...."
etc

Being able to tell people "No" changes the arc of your life. they suddenly must deal with you in a different way, they must now calculate "how to make it worth your while" as opposed to relying on the threat of firing.

>> No.24259446

>>24258765
That's why the next step is to use money to improve your social skills

>> No.24259485

>>24258765
This is true in my case

>> No.24259521

>>24255219
Karma is real, don't be mean

>>24257944
If you're new don't expect to make it this bull run, instead you should try & prepare for the one after this around 2025. Get used to the idea of coming to this shithole everyday for the next 3-4 years, & if you're careful, you'll make it within the next 5-6 years

>> No.24259633

>>24259319
This is the right approach in my opinion and the one I follow.

I drive a 5+ year old reliable vehicle with good gas mileage. My wife drives a larger, newer-ish vehicle to fit the family. Both paid off (mostly because having to pay payments was annoying; the interest rates were very good). I'll get rid of them if they become unreliable or start missing features I care about that start to become standard.

Additional advantage to stealth wealth in the vehicle scenario: I don't worry or stress about the vehicle being damaged when left alone which is an eventuality. I avoid filing insurance claims only because of the headache.

If I wanted to drive a nice car for awhile I'd probably lease or rent it. If I told someone that's how I got it they would probably believe I have more car than I can afford. I think the novelty would wear off pretty quickly anyway, and that's a good, cheap, low headache way to get in and out of that frivolous luxury. Would not recommend it for the long term though obviously since it's one of the worst ways to own a car.

All that said I've never been a car guy or taken excellent care of my cars. Have mostly treated them as tools to get from point A to point B. I completely understand those who want a nice car when they can afford it and so it's not something I'd fault them on, because it would not be frivolous then.

>> No.24259651

>>24256144
>How do you self motivate?
This is easy. Just remember that you're going to fucking die someday. not in some far off distant land in a thousand years. You can literally count the number of days you have left on this Earth. A day that you spend sitting around consuming garbage wishing you could do something is a day wasted not pursuing what you actually want.

This is pretty personal and I've actually never shared this with anybody, but I very seriously contemplated suicide about 10 years ago. The long and short of it is I decided to live but only if I could live my life the way I really wanted to. If you aren't investing all of the energy you can towards building the life you want, you're either lazy or you're being a fucking pussy. Nobody on this earth is going to show up at your door and tell you that you need to stop wasting time. Nobody's going to tell you that you could be doing better. It sounds corny as fuck but be the hero in your own story is great advice. My other favorite piece of advice is from Scott Adams, and the quote is something like

If you want success, figure out the price and pay it. It sounds trivial, but it's very powerful if you take it meaning seriously.

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Why are normies so retarded?

>> No.24259667

>>24259485
Can relate to this also, for me being financially free has been a bit isolating due to not needing to work or really associate with anyone you don’t want to which can make social skills even worse, you also meet a lot less people or different circles of people and as you get older it gets even harder to meet people, so it’s a cycle

>> No.24259714

>>24258765
That's why you should invest crypto money into a real-world business at some point. Skills and tech knowledge you've learned while being around crypto is still valuable though.

>> No.24259738

>>24258932
>>24259349
You get 70k passive income pa after tax just from rental properties?

>> No.24259748

>>24259349
Thanks for your time fren. I’ve heard of etfs with decent returns, but haven’t looked into anything just yet, but I feel the time is coming.

>> No.24259754

>>24259319
Everybody's free to live their life as they choose but to me this is a bad take. People that can't handle me driving a super car can get fucked. I don't know anybody anything. I don't come from money, I grew up kind of poor.If people can't deal with their own ego bullshit that's entirely on them. I'm not going to not live my dreams to make other people feel better about themselves.

Don't misunderstand that doesn't mean I'm going to flash my iced out patek Philippe in front of my cousins that are struggling to pay their bills. But I'm not going to drive a 20-year-old Toyota either.

>> No.24259769

>>24259446
>use money to improve your social skills
You can't "use money" to improve social skills my dude. What'll end up happening is that you will some attract attention, but it will be the kind that makes you look like a sucker/mark

>> No.24259784

>>24259398
you can also gain the ability to tell people no by being a really good at what you do, and being indispensable. Even before I was rich I was comfortable telling my boss no because I found a difficult niche to get good at.

>> No.24259830

>>24259336
Thank you kindly for your thoughts. I am (ironically) roping myself having not listened to /biz/ shill ETH first (at $15aud) then LINK (at $0.20aud). Such is life...thank you and the other anons in this thread who made it for being decent human beings.

>> No.24259870

>>24259769
Ex: hire a world class comedian to help you be more funny

>> No.24259876

>>24252840
I didn't remotely made it but I have 200k now, and thinking that I can buy an house for me and one to rent, out of nowhere/memes, is really comfy already

>> No.24259906

>>24259651
I'll also echo the mortality aspect in terms of motivation.

If you're not religious look into Buddhism / Hindu-ism. Specifically Alan Watts to get started. Watch kurzegaht on YouTube, specifically the Narcissistic Optimism video. Spiritually that's help me confront mortality in a constructive way and motivated me to do what matters. When you find time due to financial independence, eventually you're going to be face to face with an existential crisis (again, unless you've already got a religious background/faith, then you've got that covered).

Jordan Peterson also has some solid advice regarding motivation and some hard realities to the short time you have. You don't need to agree with everything he has said.

Finally, look into stoicism. Marcus Aurelius and friends. There is some very solid advice and principals to be taken from that philosophical approach. Like Jordan Peterson, you don't need to agree or adopt all of it. Just consider it carefully and take away what you find valuable.

>> No.24259930

This is a really good thread, I appreciate the advice from the contributors.

When you say some friends will treat you differently, do you cut them out because of that? Is there any way to salvage these relationships?

Also, have you guys noticed that even people you have helped invest are ungrateful? I have told some people about crypto and they have earned a decent deal of money, I haven’t had a single “thank you” and it’s almost like they act like they were the one’s who found the investment? Really strange

>> No.24259958

>>24259738
yeah I have a duplex house and 3 parking spaces that I bought quite a while ago which net 9%~
>>24259748
I’ve got no experience with etfs, but it’s good you’re looking into it now anon. Have an exit plan, not for everything but cashflow is important

>> No.24259967

>>24259906
Cheers anon, I will take this as the final push to read marcus aurelius

>> No.24260002

I also want to ask, do you guys have any index funds or are you in any passive dividends funds? I’m not a fan of real estate

>> No.24260026

>>24259870
>don't be a mark
>????????
>suggests the most extravagant mark thing possible
Never change

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Do you guys have any advice for people who can't hide the fact that they're loaded? Say you're a successful indie dev.

>> No.24260072

>>24259521
>If you're new don't expect to make it this bull run, instead you should try & prepare for the one after this around 2025.
Ya I have way to little in it and I'm way too late to get in at a reasonable price. Anything I put in rn is just for the learning experience.
This place seems less depressing and feels more productive than hanging out on Pol, even with all the FUD and pajeets shilling shitcoins. Also you have better memes. I really like Bobo so I'll prolly have a good time the next 4-5 years :^)

>> No.24260078

>>24259769
You use your money to improve your social skills by knowing you can put yourself in risky, uncomfortable positions extending yourself socially knowing you aren't actually putting yourself at any concrete risk in the long term. Most people don't think about you often unless you go out of your way to see and interact with them on a regular basis. You can always move on to new people or a new location if you need a do-over because you've fucked up terribly.

Family may be the one exception if you value them. Improving your social skills by using them as a practice ground is a losing proposition, specifically because you're more or less stuck with them (if you want) and also because they already know you're socially retarded and have accepted you. To them you can only go up. They cannot honestly help you and you cannot honestly gain social skills from them as a result.

>> No.24260093

>>24260037
>Do you guys have any advice for people who can't hide the fact that they're loaded?
Get some taste and manners

>> No.24260104

>>24260026
Not sure what you mean, but even just not having to work and so spending all your time out and about chatting with people is a way to use your wealth to improve social skills

>> No.24260105

>>24259769
you can, the issue is social skills but it’s also masculinity, joining a boxing gym or serious dojo can change this, I find for myself it’s not the time spent around women it’s the time not spent around strong men that makes me socially weird. Men need a tribe, a strong one, they bounce off each other and pick things up, men need challenges and often physical ones So that’s a good base then they could look into improving their social skills. A strong masculine base alone will get men success but yes good social skills are the cherry on top. Masculine base is #1 though or people will just fuck with you endlessly

>> No.24260126

>>24259754
Like I saw in my previous post though. I restore and build tuner cars from the 90s and early 2000s. I've driven a lambo, and I don't think they are all that great. I'd take 90s Japanese sports car or early 2000s german sedans any time of the day.
I still enjoy driving cool cars. It's just that my definition of cool cars are cheap.

>> No.24260143

>>24260093
I mean when the source of your wealth is public and intimately tied to you, such as an indie game with one dev

>> No.24260203

>>24259967
Even the summary version of teachings or solid YouTube videos covering it all are decent enough to get started and take away the key points. Shy away from anyone trying to sell something. Reading can be a little strained; not as bad as picking up shakespeare but the potential for a gap in understanding or take aways is very real.

Marcus Aurelius audiobooks are on YouTube as well. Sometimes I'll listen with headphones on to put me to sleep, lol. The narrator's are usually monotonous, but in some sense so are the books.

>> No.24260229

>>24260126
I love all kinds of cars. Modern supercars are like nothing else though. No cars come closer to sport bike performance on four wheels. If you've only ever driven a lambo, or like a Gallardo or something, I agree they're not that big of a deal I guess. drive something from the last 5 years. They're fucking insane. I don't think I'll ever not own one.

>> No.24260276

>>24260002
Vanguard ETFs / IRA for me personally. Small amount of bonds, larger amount of international, even larger amount of US stock market. Rebalance as you invest, stick with your plan. The "lazy portfolio" is boring but effective.

This is one of the least sexy ways to make money but the historical passive income from it is undeniable. Compound interest is insane, not just a meme. Wealthy people get paid interest, poor people pay interest. Index funds are a low risk way to get on that path if you're a fair distance from retirement age.

>> No.24260290

>>24255073
Yup, and guess what happens in the army? Rape.

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>>24252840
Who's the cum dumpster

>> No.24260378

>>24252840
Absolutely not.
But there certainly is a form of pressure/worry which is gone.
But it hasn't made me happier.
I am actually less happy now than before I made it.

One thing which sucks is that it's harder to trust people, friends get jealous and/or want to use you.

>> No.24260377

>>24260304
your mum faggot

>> No.24260490

>>24260078
>>24260105
noted
t. actual social retard since hitting 1m from link

>> No.24260499

>>24258190
thanks for your thoughtful response, appreciate it
>>24256144
based and well done getting through it fren
>>24259754
based, agree, I recently got an AP Royal Oak because I've wanted it for a while (plus they're a good investment). I'm not going to 'live it down' to appease the envious fuckers.

>> No.24260514

>>24259930
Everyone has different reactions to you becoming rich. You can't know until it happens, no matter how well you know the person beforehand. Especially family. It's a unique situation you put them in. You might be the only rich person they know first hand in their entire life.

I've had a two prong approach:

Early on I make it clear I don't give out money or loan it out. Period. I started with before I had money. This led to cutting people out. I do this with family.

Second, if I do lend out or give out money, it's a small enough sum I don't care about losing, but a large enough sum I can reliably use it as a way to measure a person's reaction to money. From there I can carefully calculate how much to reveal or show off to keep us both comfortable. If it's too outside of the bounds I'm comfortable with, I cut them out. I don't do this with family unless I already don't really like them.

No, I don't bother salvaging these relationships because I'm usually the one making the decision. The only exception has been family or friends before I deliberately adopted these approaches. I've been lucky enough to have this not to be the case to the point it's a crisis.

I've already mentioned my approach for giving crypto/financial advice and seeking thanks. In short, expect humans to be humans and don't seek out validation from others. It's a losing approach to dealing with people and being successful anyway. Some people are not grateful or just not good at showing it. I leave it at that and don't put any more thought to it.

>> No.24260547

>>24259651
based

>> No.24260659

>>24253400
Almost as if women and men aren't the same, you fucking retard

>> No.24260699

>>24260143
This is hard and also my worst nightmare. I'm so thankful I'm not in this situation.

I think if I didn't have a family or heavy ties to where I lived, I would move somewhere I was not well known. Maybe another country. Look at what celebrities do to avoid paparazzi. They're not successful typically but the steps are the same. If you're not an A-list star you can much easily get away with it.

Try to figure out how Notch did it when he sold Minecraft. Gabe Newell also a good example (half-life 1 was indie-ish in scale). Look into John Carmack in his early days (Doom was incredibly successful and shareware, which meant indie-scale but despite all odds blew up).

Finally, live stealth wealth. If you fuck up you'll have to probably do his process all over again. Accept this is your new life and a new set of unique problems.

>> No.24260730

>>24260276
>>24260514

Thanks for the help

>> No.24260962

>>24260699
I should say there's a third and possibly supplemental approach, one I've taken in the past. Plausibly lose/squander/donate money. Business deal, charity, tell people you fucked up taking loans out at high interest (this is especially effective if you've bought some crazy expensive shit). Put money in a living trust or say you did, for family or whatever. Lock the money up.

Crypto is also a good excuse for losing money because you say you timed it wrong.

Don't lie on your taxes though. If you buy expensive property or get a stake in a new business, do it through a shell LLC or company so it's not public record.

>> No.24260981

>>24258769
Kek.
Based Joyce.

>> No.24260998

>>24260276
What are the vanguard returns like anon? How much would one need to lockup to have 100k or so coming in. Sorry for the brainlet questions but is there a specific vanguard etf?

>> No.24261055

>>24260998
Just check historical returns on something like Yahoo Finance or whatever. I actually don't know off hand. It's passive income so I don't pay attention to it. Honestly if you're paying close attention to it you're probably doing it wrong.

>> No.24261072

>>24252840
I was that kid once, except the girls were my second cousins, and I'm not a gook. I'm pretty sure I got a boner.

>> No.24261291

>>24261055
Thanks. What a gem of a thread, with some valuable info, lessons, and perspectives. I haven’t felt this good about reading something on biz in a long time.

>> No.24261323

>>24252840
pedo women kek

>> No.24262141

>>24253400
but anon, those are three muscle bound dudes in shorts

>> No.24262146

>>24252840
Yes, unequivocally

>> No.24262695

Some unsolicited advice to those who have made it into those who will. This has been stated by other people in different ways, but the gist is this.

Don't think you're suddenly an amazing gifted expert because you made a lot of money. Continue to make careful trades. Never forget that you can very easily lose every single penny with a drunken misclick. This is not hyperbole. If you lose your wealth, it will be much much worse than never having it.

>> No.24262718

>>24262695
>into
And to

Fucking voice to text fail

>> No.24262783

>>24253982
Do you know what a double standard is by any chance?

>> No.24262799

>>24258932
Being ultra rich is like playing a video game with cheat codes. It's fun at the beginning but inevitably you'll lose interest. If you aren't careful, you'll keep raising the bar to get some excitement back in your life until you reach a point where nothing makes you feel alive. That's why the elites turn to pedophilia and other illegal activities. The point is to find purpose. Idle hands are the devil's playthings, especially when there is lots of money involved.

>> No.24263033

>>24260072
Welcome fren, bear market biz is the best, it's max comfy when everyone else has gone & it's just 6 loser neets & a few multimillionaire chad neets shitposting with each other. But really, you're still not too late to buy link, it's a long term hold that won't reach maturity for a while yet

>> No.24263144

>>24260105
Can't emphasize the importance & usefulness of boxing enough. It's the physical equivalent of stoic phil

>> No.24263215

>>24263144
Brazilian jiu jitsu is the modern patrician choice I think. Getting concussions is not part of the game like it is with boxing.

>> No.24263585

>>24263033
Ya I got a couple links at 10 bucks, gonna accumulate and hodl. Trading a separate stash/wallet on binance dex. Made the mistake of buying some leveraged tokens before I read up on how they worked (and got lucky that it doesn't work like normal longs/shorts, still kinda stuck with em for now tho).

>> No.24263657

>>24253400
Retard alert

>> No.24263800

>>24257429
what car do you have anon?

honestly im worried about family and friends due to the same rreasons youre stating. thanks for sharing

>> No.24263878

>>24252840
>the world is shit
>getting shitier by the day
>happy
No because I am human and no amount of money will bring me happiness

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>>24252840
>Asking the autistic children on www.4chan/boards/memecoins/.org if they're happy they "made it"

>> No.24263984

>>24263800
Checked. I wish I could share, but they are uncommon enough that it could help dox me. Sorry mate.

>> No.24264233

Ive been wealthy now since the dot com boom and buying Amazon stock at $14 after the split in 2001.
In the 1st few yrs you are on cloud 9.
Spending and enjoying your wealth.
After you become adjusted to your nicer belongings and surroundings the euphoria dwindles off.

>> No.24264356

I feel like I don't even know who I'd be if all the weight of shitty circumstances was just lifted like that one day. I'd probably think of it as finally getting the fruit of my efforts, but I realize that viewpoint could end up being self destructive, it just sucks *so* much to be the true winner when it comes to merit but ultimately lose because everyone else is an AA hire or a grandfathered-in boomer or has a sugar momma.

>> No.24264904

>>24263984
cheers, i think i got what i was looking for, you might have a supercar.

I was trying to gauge how or what I should do, im thinking ill get one of the normie tier meme cars m3/amg/tesla to be modest and off the radar so to speak.

>> No.24265025

>>24253400
What double standard are you talking about?

>> No.24265163

>>24253400
men dont have a paternal instinct for some rando child

>> No.24265450

>>24253795
post net worth

>> No.24265792

>>24264233
wheres my package you amazonigger

>> No.24266013

>>24263585
>Ya I got a couple links at 10 bucks, gonna accumulate and hodl.
unironically a good entry if you're new to the market. knowing the context of a coins lifecycle and being patient with your investment will put you ahead by a lot.

>> No.24266518

Second solid thread today. I'm working on my MBA at a good school right now trying to plan out my life post-grad. I don't want a "job" again, so I've been working on acquiring a business or starting my own. I still have the nagging fear of my path not panning out and could easily get a high paying job at any top tier company, but i'd feel like a pussy.

Good to hear what wealth does and doesn't provide.

>> No.24266565

>>24252840
imagine if these were men and a little girl...

>> No.24266809

>>24253400
what’s wrong with that? are you retarded or something?

>> No.24266880

Appreciate the replies from those who made it, I sank into a depression I barely pulled out of when I rode my portfolio all the way down in 2018. It felt like I blew the shot of a lifetime and all that remained was darkness.

Upon reflection I have a more balanced view of the benefits of wealth and the anon testimonies on here from the made it crowd aligns with not taking its pursuit too seriously, and realizing that happiness is an elusive goal that money can only assist with achieving. I am fortunate to have a generous salary with a nice job and should focus on the positives and not the negatives.

Congrats on your successes, anons, all the best.

>> No.24266900

i just want to travel the world in comfy hotels, how much money would be needed for that? For a year

>> No.24267509

Actually no, once you go to 100k, it doesn’t feel enough so you go to a mil. And even then you just can’t stop.

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I already had a solid fixation on women's feet by the time I was 9 years old

>> No.24267633

>>24262141
You beat me to it.

>>24253400
Wasted dubs. That is what we're looking at you nigger. 8/10 troll.

>> No.24267634

>>24257528
>smoke weed all day
what a loser

>> No.24267705

>>24267509
>he thinks he made it with 100k
lel

>> No.24267768

>>24266518
What was the first? The sta one?

>> No.24268535

>>24253805
It happens all the time to male children, and it's usually the worst type of abuse too.

>> No.24268682

>>24254384
you're a good dude anon
may you be blessed with a billion linkies

>> No.24268706

>>24252840
There are plenty studies more money is more happiness. If you are really poor, it increases significant exponential. After a certain amount, if you reach the top 20%, it is increasing more linear. Always compared to your friends or country.

For example https://phys.org/news/2013-11-economic-happiness-sweet-gdp-person.html

I always say, I do not need money to be really happy, but it will make my life a lot of more comfortable. Anyway, money is also more freedom for traveling, living where you want, more time for family and friends.

>> No.24268737

>>24260304
Lindsey Pelas I think

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>>24258508
very weird. I told one of my cousins and best friends to buy around $1 and I kept reminding them on the way up to $10 but never bought. I just told my friend today to buy link as btc is almost at ath and he replied "lmao" kek. He is into stocks. I told my roommates in college and it perfectly followed the midwit meme. The smart one and the one I would consider less smart went balls deep. The midwit bought only a little bit, he was the most normie. Link is a filter