/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.23788928]

Programming/IT anons, I need your help. I wanna learn coding/programming so I can work from home once I purchase my comfy condo after the end of this bullrun.

What is the best way to go about this? Where do I start? What will let me work from home the most?


I'm tired of retail and wanna hang in there for another year or two but at 30 my body can't take lifting 60+ pounds of tile every day so sucking it up till I "make it". Help me /biz/

[Anonymous No.23788950]

>>23788928
I wish it was that easy
>t. unemployed senior tech

First join this to help stop the pajeet steal of all our jobs if you want to be a part of this industry. https://twitter.com/USTechWorkers

[Anonymous No.23788956]

>learn Solidity
>work for a few years
>put most of your high salary into crypto
>retire as a millionaire in a few years
>???
>maybe get into real estate so it's not boring or whatever you find interesting

[Anonymous No.23788986]

Find a really long youtube video or tutorial online, work through it until you're competent, and then explore other areas of Programming/CS while coding side projects on your own.

If you actually want a job though, I'd suggest paying for a coding bootcamp. It's like 9 weeks or something.

[Anonymous No.23788998]

>>23788950
So there's no chance?>>23788956


Solidity?
I do intend to put any earnings I make the few years after buying the condo to retire at the next bullrun

[Anonymous No.23789017]

any anons have federal IT jobs?

[Anonymous No.23789041]

>>23788986
Any specific videos/bootcamps you specifically recommend?

Do you work from home? How much do you earn?

[Anonymous No.23789066]

>>23788928
I'd start from making an IQ test. I'm not joking. Everyone who's ever failed in CS failed because of two reasons only.
First is lack of cognitive abilities to handles coding. If coding would be that simple, than pajeets would already be coding literally everything. The reason why they don't is because more than 95% of them are simply not intelligent enough. More than 60% of CS students drop out from it, and every year CS is at the top when it comes to amount of people dropping it.
Second is willpower, willingness, being systematic. and all that crap. It takes time to learn tools and concepts.
120+ IQ and 10k+ hours should be enough to become a god tier coder. Whoever tells you, that math isn't important in coding, or that everyone should learn to code is a monkey, and should not be listened. Also never fall of the bootcamp jew.

[Anonymous No.23789110]

>>23789066
Where do you even take an IQ test? All I found a few years ago were independent ones made by random websites.

I do agree that not everyone can do it but my desire to get the fuck out of retail far exceeds any obstacle that may come my way.

[Anonymous No.23789181]

>>23789066
I have a 136 IQ and work in management consulting, it sucks ass. How can I go about learning programming? I was looking at applying to the GA Tech online Data Analytics program since its a hybrid of business, analytics, and programming. Worth it? Its only 10k.

[Anonymous No.23789196]

>>23788928
not a fan of belly button piercings

[Anonymous No.23789210]

>>23789066
>>23789110
Yeah. Where can I take an IQ test?

[Anonymous No.23789211]

>>23788928
>Programming/IT anons

Are you asking for help to become a developer because software development is not IT

[Anonymous No.23789236]

>>23788928
Teamtreehouse
Take the web developer track
Then full stack js track
Then react track
Wa la
You’re a front end dev

[Anonymous No.23789239]

>>23789211
Programming, coding, IT, anything that lets me work on my laptop at home.

[Anonymous No.23789254]

>>23789110
don't listen to this >>23789066
an 8 year literally has the ability to code. the aspects of coding that take a genius to do, you don't want to learn that shit, or you would have already of done it, or you wouldn't be asking us, because you would be an uber nerd and have people hunting you down since you were 18 because you're part robot. probably the easiest way to get started is some tutorial. learn the basics and then start doing that you want to do. when you come across something you don't know. use the internet machine to find the answer/help. back to the genius thing, if you have high intellect, you can get a job in a month to 3 months. however, for many people it takes 6 months minimum to land an internship. I'll add one more thing because I don't it has been mentioned. you need to post your projects on gihub or something similar if you don't have a degree in cs

[Anonymous No.23789256]

>>23789236
Thanks anoon, I'll give this a go. Is this how you got into it? How much do you earn?

[Anonymous No.23789267]

>>23789239
Hard to provide advice when you haven't even decided what you want to do

[Anonymous No.23789272]

>>23788928
Web dev is easy, easy to learn, and can be freelanced. You could also try a niche like mobile app dev. If you want to break into big industry through you will probably not get taken seriously without a CS degree since that implies you have grasp of the boring parts like data structures & algorithms fundamentals.

>>23789239
If you just want to wfh you don't need to break into tech, there are lots of options for professional services that are going to be more remote-friendly when the dust clears. Do you have any inteests?

You can try some codeacademy tutorials to see if you hate coding. Typically, people who succeed were already independently interested in programming or had to use it to solve some other problem, like wanting to mod a video game, or build a niche app that no one else had made yet.

Also suggest avoiding cryptocurrencies, it is just gambling and speculation.

>>23789066
This doesn't apply to working IRL. "120+ IQ and 10k+ hours" could make someone a strong individual contributor or an unbearable autist who doesn't earn peoples' trust and can't work with cross-functional colleagues. Getting shit delivered and making responsible decisions is 10x more important to a tech career than coding or being "smart". Companies want people who can use technical tools, code being one of many, to solve business problems.

>>23789254 is right about exposure (personal projects that you actually care about hosted on a github, for instance)

>t. 230k sde

[Anonymous No.23789299]

>>23789254
Thank you, I really appreciate this response. I'm screenshoting this whole thread, I'm really determined to do this. Wish I hadn't wasted my 20s drinking every weekend and dead end relationships.

What do you do anon? How much do you earn? Do you enjoy it?

[Anonymous No.23789358]

>>23789299
just right click and save as
also same bro, I think alot of our generation did that. Im learning right now as well....

[Anonymous No.23789373]

>>23789272
Gotcha, thank you for your long and detailed response.

Only interests I have are Vidya, hiking, running, and animu. Was thinking of starting a YouTube channel for fun but not expecting it to take off, just a little passion project. Just trying to stay busy so I don't feel like I'm wasting time anymore.

I'm already $20k initial investment into Bitcoin and Ethereum, it's worth $28k so I have hope. Hoping my portfolio reaches $100k, that would let me quit and 100% focus on learning everything.

[Anonymous No.23789377]

>>23789181
To follow this up, I'm in more of a PM role in software for a consulting company. Is it worth me exploring being a dev or will the career track just funnel me back to the path I'm on now?

[Anonymous No.23789378]

>>23788928
>>23788950
This guy is a loser who is shit at coding because he went to college. Don't listen to him.
Self Taught Programming:
>Step 1. Get better at math
A lot of programming boils down to math. If you want to get paid big bucks, you'll need to know more than basic algebra. If you're bad at math, and don't feel the drive to improve, you'll never be a high paid software engineer.
>Step 2. The beginning
You'll obviously need some sort of "intro" class. For me, this was youtube and months of free time during middle school. For you, this could be a paid coding bootcamp or such.
>Step 3. Your own projects
Look, these bootcamps will only teach you so much. Their "projects" are really linear in progressing you. What you need is a *lot* of small projects. You need to ENJOY doing these small stupid projects just for the challenge. This is ENTIRELY how you improve as a software engineer. You go "Oh this is stupid but it may be a fun challenge" and complete that task. For me, this was almost entirely making cheats for videogames. I am a good software engineer today because I wanted to be a good cheat developer back in the day. Other things I've done for shits and giggles includes: remaking minesweeper, making a blackjack game, creating my own screenshot tool like Lightshot.
>Step 4. Networking
Without an actual degree, you'll find it extremely challenging to get your resume onto people's desks. Your side projects from step 3 will help buff out your resume and get the employer interested, but first, you gotta get there. By making cheats, I met tons of smart dudes and they got great jobs. They knew I was smart and came to me asking if I wanted to apply for jobs that opened in their departments.
>In conclusion
This is essentially the way I did it. Not for everyone, but you'll learn a completely different way to software engineering. I still do side projects in new languages and with new technology for fun
>t. Tesla Software Engineer

[Anonymous No.23789431]

>>23789378
can you recommend a good starting point for someone with only basic algebra and a good learning resource for that?

[Anonymous No.23789442]

>>23789378
Thank you so much! Was looking for something like this, really opened my eyes. I'm shit at math but good to know that I HAVE to get better at it. Gonna get some old math books and start there.

[Anonymous No.23789451]

>>23789431
Legit https://www.khanacademy.org/
I used some of these classes in addition to college in order to get a better grasp on topics my professors didn't explain very well.

[Anonymous No.23789461]

>>23789442
If you were bad at math you entire life, what makes you think you can improve at 30 years old?

[Anonymous No.23789473]

>>23789299
what do I do for a living, live. I spend most of my time in leisure, which consist mostly of learning, painting, and cooking. for money I live off of dividends, which isn't much, but I'm very frugal/self reliant. if I need a new chair, then I go to blm land and get some lumber. if there happens to be an aspect I don't know how to do in carpentry, I learn about it. and this goes for plumbing, farming, whatever problem one may face in life. you can retire early and not be a millionaire if you're a certain type of person.

[Anonymous No.23789475]

>>23789373
also strongly endorse all of >>23789378

[Anonymous No.23789478]

>>23789461
Because I was a lazy fuck in school and gave up whenever it got even remotely hard. I'm an adult with patience and determination now.

[Anonymous No.23789509]

>>23789473
Wow, that's awesome anon, that's actually a really good mindset and a great way to live. You've honestly inspired me

[Anonymous No.23789518]

>>23789475
all but the math part

[Anonymous No.23789523]

>>23789110
>>23789210
I took mine at psychologist. From what I heard most of what you can find on the internet is not reliable.
>>23789181
Courses are always good. The best investment is investing into yourself. The only exceptions are coding bootcamps. They don't teach much, but drain money, which could be better spent. I'm not from the US, but in my country whoever applies to job with only bootcamp certs, is instantly kicked out of recruitment. The best is learning on your own. Do some internet tutorial. After you complete it start building what you'd like to, or work on something open source. If you can't do anything after completing tutorials, that means you're probably not meant to code. Unless that tutorial was crappy. Being a programmer is an endless learning process.
>>23789254
I wish that was truth. I learned the hard way. It took me lots of research on intelligence, and especially listening to Richard Haier who's an expert when it comes to intellect to understand, that some people are simply not intelligent enough for certain types of jobs. Programming is one of the hardest things that you could do mentally. Only stem, medicine, and maybe law can compare. Everyone at my degree who was good at discreet math, calculus, and algorithms has now a good job. Those who weren't good at those subjects were also bad at coding, and they either dropped out, or barely completed collage, and couldn't find any decent job after.
>>23789299
And I wish I didn't waste 3 years trying to get a degree, which I never completed, because I was never smart enough to complete it. My collage was devious enough to make first semesters quite easy, even though 40% dropped out after first 3 semesters. The problems started for many students later on also, when lecturers increased their demands several times. Literally 25% of my course dropped out at 3rd year from only one subject.
>>23789378
This. Math is really important. This anon knows what he's talking about.

[Anonymous No.23789571]

If I don't want to be a high paid software engineer and just want to build nice websites do I still need math?

[Anonymous No.23789580]

>>23788928
Here's advice from a different angle. I hire programmers for a living.

What I look for is thoughtful intelligence and enthusiastic learning above all else. Just last week I hired someone with 2 years experience in an environment completely different than ours. Why? Because he could code in real time using a language of his choice, and wasn't intimidated by Swift and Kotlin. It's never about knowing the answer, its always about knowing how to find it. Be curious, rigorous, relentless.

Open a github account and make a commit every day. The closest skill analogy to coding is playing music. Learning well means a little bit every day - not long sprints now and then. Your motivation: github tracks daily commits and linking it in your resume will make you an instant-hire.
>t. mercenary startup COO

[Anonymous No.23789604]

>>23789451
>thank you based anon

[Anonymous No.23789627]

>>23789509
I have to stress that retiring early, you need to do something productive with your free time. I'm sure many people of modernity are miserable because they simply don't know what to do with their leisure time. I'm sure there's some research out there made by someone smart, that shows as humans become more efficient with automation or just certain tools we become less happy.

[Anonymous No.23789632]

>>23789523
>>23789580
Thank you guys soooo much. Btw, do I need a monster computer to do this? All I have is an Alienware Alpha I bought years ago when it was on sale. Wiping all games from it and defraging it to commit it to this

[Anonymous No.23789638]

>>23789256
90k but I’m in the south so it’s a bit more substantial

[Anonymous No.23789652]

>>23789571
No
If you're not building APIs and just building websites, you will be gluing together other peoples' off-the-shelf libraries, where the difficult low-level concerns have already been thought through.
You could write bad and inefficient code if you tried, using non-optimal data structures, but it would probably still not be noticeable

[Anonymous No.23789683]

>>23789478
I am in college now and similar to >>23789378 i learned to code making plugins for my minecraft servers. Now i live worry free since horny furries on patreon pay for rent, food, internet, minor expenses and a solid wad of cash ontop, every month. For an unfinished game that might see a full release 2025, maybe, i'd say that's pretty fucking comfortable. Though i suppose i am more of an edge case than a rule.

>>23789518
Yeah. Math is really important: But it has been for a while now, and there are legions of math shitters who have worked around not knowing how to do math properly, you too can fake it until you make it, OP. Personally i learned it from those workarounds -- the only reason i can do linear algebra, calclus, vector mathematics and statics (more specifically stochastics) is because of documentation on public libraries and troubleshooting my failed attempts and using them, more or less brute forcing it. I'll admit it would've been easier if i paid attention in high school, but i certainly did not need to take a mathematics course before i even thought of coding for money.

>>23789632
A craptop is enough. You don't actually need to wipe all your games off of it either. You won't be wanting to play games while coding, but even a massive IDE like visual studio can fit in the space of one medium-to-large size game. Lightweight ones probably will have no issues at all.

[Anonymous No.23789691]

>>23789632
No
But I’d suggest a MacBook just because I like it
>>23789652
You’re right, but I honestly can’t name a place I’ve worked where anyone doesn’t actually just use libs...you’d probably have to be a very low level focused software engineer

[Anonymous No.23789694]

>>23789683
same guy here, the amount of spelling mistakes make me look like an idiot and i wanted to say sorry for that.

[Anonymous No.23789709]

>>23789518
Math is a good indicator of G factor. Even if you don't use it, it's a good measurement if you're cut off for being a good programmer. Barely anyone who's bad at math is also good at coding.

>>23789571
Nothing above high school math. But if you didn't like math, you're probably not going to like programming. Unless you liked math, but weren't a genius at it. I was that kind of student. The problem is, that if something is easy in CS, it's being outsourced to India, Eastern Europe, and so on. US is great for being a coder, but only if you can make it big. There is already an influx of people, that are trying to get into coding career. It's one of few careers that you can get into fast, and earn a lot of money.

>>23789632
You don't need a monster, unless you're doing something related to rendering, or if you turn on too many tools at the same time. I remember when I had to have tens or even hundreds of tabs opened, and two java IDEs opened at the same time, that my at the time monster PC was heating like mad. In the end there is no PC, that's going to make you into a better coder.

There is a different problem though. Many people see an opportunity in programming. That means, that lots of people are trying to learn it. Which means, that there are lots of people, that want to get an entry job. I'm not sure how it looks like in the US, but in my country more than 90% of programming jobs are for mids and seniors. Juniors can barely find anything.

[Anonymous No.23789714]

You need to make projects. Find something fun and interesting to make. To get your feet wet, maybe make a calculator or something. Learn to use github. If you don't know how to do something, stackoverflow it.
Python is the easiest language to get started with. Tons of libraries, and simple syntax. Not as annoying or wordy as C++ or Java. Learn Python first. Take a look at simple data structures and algorithms.
If you're feeling bullish about crypto, build something like a bitcoin wallet generator or a script that can lock up some bitcoins for a day or two (do it on testnet so you don't waste real money). Build some ethereum smart contracts using solidity. Build a simple dapp. Put everything on github too. Read Mastering Bitcoin and Mastering Ethereum by Andreas. You'll also need a bit of JS and HTML knowledge to build a frontend.
The hardest part is not the content, but pushing yourself to be productive. Make sure you make progress every day.

[Anonymous No.23789774]

>>23789523
having a lower iq simply means that you will need to have interest and dedication in order to learn something. iq test are centered on spatial reasoning. it's all about pattern recognition. if you can recognize the pattern faster of a topic, you can learn it faster. you will be able to transpose the ideas/concepts from other topics on to the task at hand. it's not unlikely that the people you knew, that dropped out had lower iqs. perhaps they had to devote a greater amount of time into studying than you, and it cut into the time that they could give to their relationships or whatever. and they made a choice about what was more important. I don't believe there is anything that humans can't learn, if they have the time and devotion.

[Anonymous No.23789826]

>>23789774
>>23789714
>>23789709
Once again, thanks for all the responses. I feel like I've got a grasp of what I need to do to get started. I unironically love you /biz/

Getting hurt at work really opened my eyes up that I need to do something with my life, I can't keep doing shitty manual labor for a company that would replace me in an instant. Luckily I'm fine now, was only out a couple of days

[Anonymous No.23789831]

>>23789694
>we know

[Anonymous No.23789865]

>>23789683
you don't need to know linear algebra or any other complex math subject unless you're going to be doing something advanced like ML. and he is likely to not get a job in ML without a CS degree. will you all stop with the math shit? it sounds like you guys are trying to secure your jobs with fear

[Anonymous No.23789902]

>>23789865
Lmao I bet this guy is a UX designer. Enjoying your Width: 100% CSS?

[Anonymous No.23789903]

>>23789865
based.
Math knowledge is not necessary. What matters is knowing how to think abstractly. People good at math are better at this than people who aren't, but knowing math isn't necessary.

[Anonymous No.23789929]

I will remember you all once I make it and I'm taking multiple trips to Japan to eat the great food and smash some qts.

Been there twice and fell in love with it

[Anonymous No.23789932]

>>23789903
Ya, this is a terrible take.
You need to understand math operations. You need a strong understanding of algebra at a minimum to be an *entry* level front-end developer. Modulus, MinMax, Bitwise operations, these are fairly fundamental operations. Must importantly you need algebra because it directly applies to Iterators and functionality.

[Anonymous No.23789943]

>>23789902
this fag is upset that he spent 4 years getting a CS degree learning unnecessary shit

[Anonymous No.23789945]

>>23789378
This is great advice for anyone serious about becoming a SE.

>blog time
I was 22 until I decided to pursue nursing, fell for the "keep going, it'll work out" meme. Everyday I wanted someone to bat in my brains because of how much I hated the material. Got my BSN in 3 years and everyday at work was a slog, at 27 I realized I had to make a hard turn in my life because I was miserable. I made okay money, but I was gonna blow my brains out if I had to work another few years, all the slutty nurse pussy couldn't make up for how much I hated the profession and healthcare.

I always loved math and completed all my pre-req at CC when I was 18-20 to pursue civil engineering, always got 100s on my tests in math because I found it so interesting. I talked to a close friend of mine who was a SWE and he recommended I give coding a shot.

I became obsessed, I would argue it was easier than doing Nursing because I loved it. I found all the "boring, tedious" things to be fun and challenging. I started off with youtube tutorials in my free time, moved on to making my own projects. Fast forward to 29, someone gave me a shot after 2 years of self-taught programming and I landed a job getting a 40k/year paycut compared to my Nursing job.

Fast forward to now, I'm 31 and I make 160k a year with a BSN in Nursing lmao. It's not impossible to teach yourself how to code, in fact, every great programmer HAS to teach themselves. I would even argue going to college to become a programmer is a joke, there's 1000s of amazing resources online to learn, but you have to dig and find it.

TLDR;
Don't pursue something you hate and waste your valuable time, self-taught coding isn't so bad if you like it and you're decent at math, logic and picking up concepts extremely fast. Also crystallized-intelligence is overall a meme, it only applies to people who are lazy and want an excuse to not learn anything new.

>t. 31 year old 128 IQ ex-nurse turned programmer

[Anonymous No.23789946]

>>23788928
>YOOO HOW DO I BECOME A WAGIE LOL

[Anonymous No.23789954]

>>23788986
>long youtube video or tutorial online
yeah this is a good start. I heard one of the bonded.finance devs did that too irl

[Anonymous No.23789969]

>>23789943
No degree, and probably in a better position than you. I explained this already in my first post. Reading comprehension is a valuable tool.

[Anonymous No.23789972]

>>23789932
Algebra is literally shit you learn in high school retard. I assume OP already knows how to solve shit like 5x+9 = 69

I've used calc and linalg but only with ML projects. OP is not doing anything with ML or cryptography, so he does not need any higher math knowledge.

[Anonymous No.23789984]

>>23789932
yeah, and to be able to do conditional statements you need to take a semester course on boolean algebra.

[Anonymous No.23789998]

Salesforce admin is another good path if you're looking for a chill IT remote job

[Anonymous No.23790007]

>>23789969
I retired when I was 29, and you would know that if you had better reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.23790012]

>>23789972
You would be surprised how many struggle with algebra. I'd rather give advice to someone like they've spent their whole life in Africa than mislead them on possible challenges they'll face.
Calc is used in a ton of other areas besides ML and Cryptography. Knowing it is a powerful tool that *high paid* software engineers will need.
>>23789984
Sorry, but devs who can only do some simple If/else statements and basic logic can't complete with Indians. The point of this post is to learn to be competitive in software development, not fight for Fiverr jobs.

[Anonymous No.23790033]

>>23790007
Sorry, your advice is more in line with someone taking a 2nd year CS course. I take it you retired a while ago then, because the industry has shifted away from anyone with a half a brain landing a cozy position.

[Anonymous No.23790062]

>>23789774
>I don't believe there is anything that humans can't learn, if they have the time and devotion.

Is teaching ECMAscript to Africans your passion too?

[Anonymous No.23790084]

>>23788928
get a gf first and you become pro programmer. All programmers have gfs.

[Anonymous No.23790092]

>>23790033
>>23790062
enjoy being poor

[Anonymous No.23790094]

>>23789378
This. And i say this as someone with no idea of coding. My job is to push around the coders in my company and try to explain them what the company wants from them

[Anonymous No.23790180]

>>23788928
Start here:

https://www.edx.org/course/cs50s-introduction-to-computer-science

https://www.coursera.org/professional-certificates/google-it-support/?utm_source=googleit&utm_medium=institutions&utm_campaign=sem&utm_term=google%20it%20cert&utm_content=us-en-sem-brand&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5LLGvrDy7AIVQpyzCh3EAgQAEAAYAiAAEgKsh_D_BwE

Also, read CODE by Charles Petzold.

This is a good start (I've only done CS50 but the Google cert seems like a good intro as well) plus you'll have certifications to put on your resume.

[Anonymous No.23790183]

>>23789945
>160k a year with a BSN in Nursing lmao
kek
Thanks for that anon. I just turned 27 as an office worker making 36k/yr and have quite a bit of coding experience (also love it) but I fear that my IQ is at best 110. Regardless, I'm gonna try and become a SWE.
Currently planning on polishing my C# and Java as I complete a Diploma of Software Dev. and push some old projects onto github.

[Anonymous No.23790187]

>>23788928
Watch a good long youtube tutorial and use sololearn.com.
That's what I did to learn python and now I'm as a good as a lot of people who learned python in college.

[Anonymous No.23790189]

>>23788956
You cant just dive into solidity. One small fuckup and millions of dollars are lost.

[Anonymous No.23790213]

>low IQ coomer
>good programmer
kys pajeet

[Anonymous No.23790215]

>>23789373
>Was thinking of starting a YouTube channel for fun but not expecting it to take off, just a little passion project. Just trying to stay busy so I don't feel like I'm wasting time anymore.

A time sink IMO.

[Anonymous No.23790234]

do you retards actually like being software engineers? this job fucking sucks. it's demanding, tedious, and boring as shit most of the time. i'm actively trying to figure out what other high-paying jobs i can do with my CS degree.

>t. fagman swe with a CS degree from a top 10 college

[Anonymous No.23790274]

I'm only gonna say this once.
If you are entrepreneurial with programming knowledge. There is no excuse for being poor.
I didn't have a bed frame to sleep on growing up and I made it before 26.
Don't just learn programming, look for opportunities too.

[Anonymous No.23790294]

>>23788928
>I'm tired of retail and wanna hang in there for another year or two but at 30 my body can't take lifting 60+ pounds of tile every day so sucking it up till I "make it". Help me /biz/

sounds like you're out of shape.

[Anonymous No.23790319]

>>23790274
>"made it"
>on /biz

[Anonymous No.23790320]

and hauling tiles is probably about as interesting as banging out line after line of java.

[Anonymous No.23790340]

or as i like to call it, jabba. because it's fat and slow, and the people who write it are often slug-like in their demeanor.

[Anonymous No.23790355]

>>23789017
I do. I'm a GS-12 civilian working for the military. I'm an "IT Specialist" at the infrastructure branch of the base network enterprise center, which is basically in charge of running cables and maintaining switches and shit. Everything is working so we really don't do anything, ever, kek $85k per year.

[Anonymous No.23790368]

>>23790319
> look for opportunities too.
Where else would I find new Dapps to clone and make easy 50-100k?

[Anonymous No.23790453]

>>23790368
post pics or

[Anonymous No.23790506]

>>23789431
>glitchpe.jpg
you've got real potential with quality memes like that

[Anonymous No.23790647]

>>23789066
the opportunity cost of 10k hours should not be dismissed lightly. its a lot of life.

[Anonymous No.23790781]

CS 3 year degree

Or

Software Engineering 4 year degree

Help me decide bros

[Anonymous No.23791389]

>>23790355
How did you start? Im about a year at an MSP's NOC and its soul crushing stress 24/7. Have my CCNA, gonna get sec+ to try and get a foot in the door in the fed gov. I want a comfy job with like 4-5 hours of actual real work per day

[Anonymous No.23791809]

>>23789299
How do I find someone like this?

[Anonymous No.23791836]

>>23788928
You'll never make it in IT.

You also have a very poor investment mindset. A condo is not comfy and does not leave you any equity. It is a liability, a loss.

If you can't properly think straight, how would you ever survive daily in IT? It isn't like retail where you are labor. You have to think, use logic and make the best choice from your resources.

You will never make it.

T. FAANG anon.

[Anonymous No.23791859]

Do you realize that the field of programming is incredibly ageist? Age is more valuable in programming than in the porn industry. If you're older than 25, it's basically over for you.

[Anonymous No.23791863]

g-d i wish that were me

[Anonymous No.23791915]

>>23789272
lol Webdev. Filipino and Pajeets have this market, enjoy competing with their monthly salaries of "$300-500" skill labor.

Good advice on data structure/algo, but without a good foundation of "why" (e.g. what is the best sorting method, what is explore/exploit?) OP has no chance. It's like telling someone drowning that they should've learned to swim.

>>23789299
I automate stuff in a cloud, Identity management and other fun stuff, 240K total comp. I also do c2c with smaller firms that add another 120k annually.

Your youth is gone and if you couldn't succeed for the past decade, why do you think you could for the next? You're only "aware" now because you realize your friends, peers are starting families, have nicer, flashier possessions and you have nothing.

>>23789373
Normie af, wow a youtube channel, and 20k investment.

100k is worthless, especially with the FED printing money and USA experiencing 15% inflation this year, your 28k gainz are only a hedge *against* inflation, not true value/profit.

You do not just "quit" and live off 100k, you invest and put it into more meaningful investments that were not actionable before, real estate/somewhere to live, a business, etc.

Passive investing, works, but, at your scale, not good enough unless you keep putting in more and more, and it seems as if you're not.

1.
Stats/Algebra, not just "math." Logic helps too.
2. intro, bootcamp, no - you need a hobby or goal.
3. Correct, projects.
4. Networking, 100% correct, do people like youu, if yes, you get jobs,. If no, you get hung to dry,.

>>23789451
Wrong, CS50 Harvard course / https://courses.csail.mit.edu/6.042/spring17/mcs.pdf

I kinda am lazy af to continue more, but most of this thread is really poor advice.

[Anonymous No.23791921]

>>23791859
reading a master's course takes around 5 years and assuming someone starts reading the moment they are out of high school they'd be 24 once they finish college. Post source or eat shit

[Anonymous No.23791957]

>>23791921
Anon is 100% true, go scrape linkedin and you'll see big tech people are largely under 30 for devs, and then management/PM mid 30's-early 40's to leadership late 40's.

[Anonymous No.23791963]

>>23789373
You need to sit down and consider what you actually want to do. If you decide to do web design, Check out the Odin project. Try not to mix your learning sources, or your be stuck in tutorial hell forever.

Ignore all the 'you need an iq of 130' bullshit, because it doesn't corolate at all to programming. You need drive, passion and determination. I'm a programmer and learned through wanting to create games. I stuck it out and have released two already.

[Anonymous No.23791969]

>>23791957
>91957▶
>>>23791921 (You)
Nearly all job applications where I'm from say they mostly want master degree applicants. What's the point of being in college if it's paradoxical?

[Anonymous No.23791994]

>>23789774
> I don't believe there is anything that humans can't learn, if they have the time and devotion.
I want to believe that. But I also don't want to be represented by an 85 IQ lawyer, or have an 85 IQ surgeon take out my gall bladder. Nigs today could be doing a lot better than they are, but let's not fool ourselves. Affirmative action is holding them back.

[Anonymous No.23792003]

>>23791969
You're confusing a job application == 100% requirements meant or no job.

That is not the case, it is a filter. HR knows they won't get the best candidates by having extreme filters.

It's there so they can brush people off w/o being accused of racist, bigotry, gender inequality, etc.

"ah, anon, thank you for applying, but you don't have this impossible accomplishment done, we're picking more suitable candidates."

Meanwhile, anyone that has a good LI, is known in the community, contributes to FOSS, github, HN - and is not known as pariah would be invited to apply and have their application expedited.

Meanwhile the "job opening" is shopped around to H1B firms.

>and you think it was really about education.

[Anonymous No.23792200]

>you need to be a god at math to code
lol this is the worst gate keeping meme there is

[Anonymous No.23792298]

>>23789709
>Nothing above high school math. But if you didn't like math, you're probably not going to like programming. Unless you liked math, but weren't a genius at it. I was that kind of student. The problem is, that if something is easy in CS, it's being outsourced to India, Eastern Europe, and so on. US is great for being a coder, but only if you can make it big. There is already an influx of people, that are trying to get into coding career. It's one of few careers that you can get into fast, and earn a lot of money.
What IQ do I need to be to make it big?

[Anonymous No.23792346]

>>23788928
Everyone who still tells you to "just learn coding bro" is either in uni coping and thinking he will get a 150k job after graduating or a pajeet content with making 30k a year
Thruth is its not the early 2000s anymore almost everyone can code and its not enough

Go learn look into devops or infosec/networksec

thats where the money is, code monkeys are literally going to be automated by ais or done bu pajeets
coding is the lowest form of IT there is thats why its full of pajeets and niggertrannies

Go learn how operations works(how windows/linux works/TCP/IP/some cloud shit like AWS and docker) then learn some dev (not just 1 language like a slave code monkey, if your job doesnt use atleast 3 languages you are a pleb, learn powershell/bash for scripting learn phython learn whatever is in nowadays dont bother with boomer languages)(

[Anonymous No.23792379]

>>23792346
What type of degree do I need to do infosec? It sounds interesting.

[Anonymous No.23792410]

>>23789066
>code monkeys thinking their area is difficult and requires high IQ
>complete lie about highest drop rate
Shut the fuck up, nigger. I learned programming on my own and I even school the code monkeys at my job when I don't even program for work.

[Anonymous No.23792426]

>>23792379
you can get a simple cs but in reality you dont need it
infosec is 100% certs
get an entry level networking and security cert like the comptia ones, get an entry level job and go up from there
then you can decide if you want to be an engineer who deals with firewalls and policies, automation and shit like that or red team who is pentesting and incident response

[Anonymous No.23792479]

>>23792426
What entry level certs do I need and what is considered an "entry level job"?? How much does the entry level pay?

[Anonymous No.23792514]

>>23792479
Comptia network + comptia sec+ maybe some palo alto engineer one

Entry level jobs are usually security analyst,security consultant
It pays more than an entry level coding job, senior roles pay fuckton (sometimes 150k+) tons of jobs and you will never be unemployed once you got your foot in the door

[Anonymous No.23792533]

>>23788928
Let me boil this down for you nigger as a software engineer with 5 years of experience.

You will likely give up after a month. People who stay long term actually did this shit as kids, writing flash games, building gaming PC, having LAN parties and shit. A fucking zoomer normie who never had a non-touchscreen phone will not be able to compete.

No, you don't need to know math - especially if you're doing web applications and shit. The main thing is delivering on projects.

There used to be entry level jobs but now they are all infested with pajeets. In fact when a job becomes available the online listing is just a shadow listing to cover their asses. They make it look like it's a highly specialized job by adding all kinds of bloat but really it's just a cover for visa abuse.

The visa shit is a form of control mostly (if the slaves quit they get deported) and a way to legally undercut local workers.

So you might live next to say Google but the jobs there are not for local people, they are for imported slaves.

Even the bug men understand it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pizXzR7ZQ8Q

[Anonymous No.23792557]

>>23792346
Everyone can code?

Try creating efficient running programs using multiple threads etc.
Its a thing that can be easy or hard, like most things. Ofc you dont hire a cs master for programming shitty websites (they dont learn it anyway)

[Anonymous No.23792565]

>>23792533
this is 100% true
I recommend anyone to check indeed listings for the job they want
it will probably say shit like "junior role needs 5 different languages and 3+ years of experience"

this is what you get when you keep telling kids "just learn to code" for a decade

[Anonymous No.23792711]

>>23789066
Partly this. The single most important thing for being good at programming is being detail-oriented to the point of OCD. If you go through your posts here and correct commas and spelling before hitting the "post" button, you have at least a chance. If you just spew your ravings onto the screen and then say "fuck it!" you may as well give up now.

Second most important is the sheer number of things you can keep track of at once. The reason phone numbers are 7 or 8 digits, and are often subgrouped into packets of 3 or 4 digits separated by a dash, is that cognitive studies were done by phone companies to find what an average person could remember. They then designed the system accordingly. If you can keep track of ten or twelve variables in your head all at once, and figure out how your code will change them as it loops and calls from place to place, you will be a decent software developer. If you are a retard who can barely remember what the variable names are from moment to moment, then you may as well give up now and find something else to do, like online customer service support.

[Anonymous No.23792746]

>>23789378
>This guy is a loser who is shit at coding because he went to college.
LOL@dumbfuck.

I had to deal with people like you back in the day. "What's a recursion?" "How do we update this database when the database keys get updated too?" "What do you mean it's mathematically impossible to preorder the data that way?"

> Other things I've done for shits and giggles includes: remaking minesweeper, making a blackjack game, creating my own screenshot tool like Lightshot.

You (see picrelated) are a god of CS101 programming! Any first-year student would be in awe of you!

Not so much us guys (and yes, goddamn near 100% of us are guys) who have made it through graduate degrees in CS.

[Anonymous No.23792801]

>>23789632
You'd probably be better off with a Raspberry Pi. Get a 4 with 4gb or 8gb of memory. Most software development involves thinking, not sooperdoopercompooter shit. Having an Intel i9 with 64gb of DDR4 DRAM and a dozen hard drives doesn't mean shit for learning how to think.

>>23788950
I don't see them accomplishing anything under a Biden/Harris administration that is busy selling itself to Google/Facebook/Infosys/Tata.

[Anonymous No.23792910]

>>23792711

Exactly this. Also ignore bootcamps, start by getting an ACM subscription to gain access to safaribooks for cheap and read.

Don't get into webdev, do systems programming, read C++ books, Linux kernel books, Designing Data Intensive Applications and start following scalability blogs.

Do this for a year, but full on. Then start leetcoding, do around 400+ mostly mediums and all in C++.

After that start begging for referrals and apply to junior companies which do FAANG style interviewing. Provided you get an offer and ramp up you'll be able to progress quickly. Don't go for shit jobs (i.e. banks or legacy behemots like Cisco, SAP etc)

> .t SWE at FAANG

[Anonymous No.23792939]

>>23792514
Can I literally just get this job with the certs and nothing else? Will they be mad that I was a NEET for essentially 5 years?

[Anonymous No.23793581]

how the fuck do i get a job in a first world country /first world salary if i live in South America?god help me escape from this hell
I never could buy cripto until recently because i ddint even have acces to a bank account and i wasn risking gettign stabbed while buying face to face

t 3 years into web dev and already have a cs degree

[Anonymous No.23793970]

>>23792410
this

some of the dumbest motherfuckers i know in high school are high level coders ... couldnt even do simple algebra.

now theyre making like $200,000 a year w/ gains on crypto and profit from work

[Anonymous No.23794129]

>>23793970
knew**

[Anonymous No.23794723]

>>23790234
No, it's gay as fuck and for nerds

>t. maths grad who fell for the computers meme

[Anonymous No.23794949]

>>23788928
>>23788950
Dear programmers how are you finding blockchain and ERC20 and working on other blockchains like Matic, Mastodon, Polkadot, Avax, TRX?
Is coding cryptocurrency piss easy and a total shitshow where only good advertisement/meme magic dictates if you're successful or not?
How would you rate Andre Cronje's code?

And finally when it comes to hiring cheap but not mentally retarded programmers for trash like incremental games and puzzle games where should I go? I went to Fiverr and all the pajeets are asking for 500$ to code me a fucking Bejeweled game. So much for paying 5$ to get shit done.

[Anonymous No.23794991]

>>23789683
Wow which game are you "working" on, anon? Is it any of the known fanbases like MLP and Sonic?

[Anonymous No.23795291]

Is it too late to enter this field as a 35 yo in Canada? I'd say I have a beginner-medium level experience in Java, python and JS just as a hobbyist. Currently working for the federal govt in a non-cs career but I truly think I would be happier in a software development related role.

[Anonymous No.23795318]

>>23794723
I agree.
>CS degree anon making $55k

[Anonymous No.23795515]

>>23789378
>You need to ENJOY doing these small stupid projects just for the challenge. This is ENTIRELY how you improve as a software engineer. You go "Oh this is stupid but it may be a fun challenge" and complete that task. For me, this was almost entirely making cheats for videogames. I am a good software engineer today because I wanted to be a good cheat developer back in the day. Other things I've done for shits and giggles includes: remaking minesweeper, making a blackjack game, creating my own screenshot tool like Lightshot.
What if you don't enjoy it? I started learning coding and it's alright but I can't imagine actually wanting to do it for fun.

[Anonymous No.23795719]

>>23795515
Just stay around entry/mid level and prioritize a calm work atmosphere instead of payment I guess. I don't like coding too, but living in a 3rd world eastern european shithole it's one of the few things that can give me a nice paycheck and a treatment different than slave so I'm gonna learn how to build websites without wanting "to make it big".

[Anonymous No.23795810]

>>23790506
>doesn't even rename his gay old gif
>1 post by this id
Impressive contribution anon, seriously great

[Anonymous No.23795885]

>>23795515
That's fine, but it really isn't for you then. Separate it, but you'll never be on the same level as Linus for example. And that's okay.

I wouldn't want to be either.
>>23795318
Loser
>>23795291
you're old af, yeah.
>>23794949
I don't know any of those other fucking platforms. Just because you program, does not mean you're in block chain shit.
I do like uniswap though, and they post fun code.
>>23793970
yep, identity/security here, programming is like 25%, and you described me to a T. I did learn stats/algebra though cause I hate not knowing things.
>>23793581
You don't, you're the cheap outsource labor. Try to move up, I'll hire your neighbor at 60% your pay and they'll praise my name. They try the same shit you do, I'll hire the girls from the brothel, give them >womyn coder shirts fuck them and pay them 40%. You're not valued for where you are, you're valued for being a cheap subustuite. Economics - substutition and utility.
>>23792939
Yeah, if you the tech skills and people skills.
>>23792910
100%. I do other side of the house, Windows/Powershell (same as Bash basically) and C#. Does not matter, what langauge, but if you can explain what you're doing, whihteboard, leetcode bs and have people already IN to vouuch for you.
>>23792801
Most of the exciting work comes from making a slow computer behave as a fast one. It comes down to economics and resources you have to the extreme. People that have i9 MBP only do chrome/outlook all day. People w/ a pi actually code, bitch and fix it via conf files.
>>23792533
100% true, this is a hobby for me and I made it work. You people will never understand the pure unadulterated joy of breaking trials of games/software by fucking with the RTC bios clock or registry entries at a high level, if you just pirated keygens and ran code from other people, you *knew* of it, but never had the magic to do it.

It's about finding a loophole, a backdoor, an error you can stand up with and explore more

[Anonymous No.23796034]

>>23789523
>Programming is one of the hardest things that you could do mentally. Only stem, medicine, and maybe law can compare

Get a fucking hold of yourself. All of those jobs require you to be not braindead, but its not meritocracy. Good looking, sociopathic, losers incapable of doing novel work succeed in those fields way more often than programmer autists. Theres like only 1000 autists in the world who get like 5 million+ for their programming skill and its only because they bring in like 100 mil in profit for jump trading or whatever the fuck

[Anonymous No.23796098]

>>23788928
i would suggest you try web development. first learn html and css (will take you less than a month probably). then learn javascript and a js framework like react.

after that you could start learning solidity if you wanna develop dapps on the ethereum network. if not, learn how to work with databases.

udemy has pretty comprehensive tutorials on all of this.

[Anonymous No.23796118]

>>23788928
Honestly? Go to college.
Lots of people shit on college, say it's a waste of money and time yadda yadda. But the foundational knowledge you get in those 4 years is essential to make it as an engineer. College also gives you enough time to explore other topics of comp sci, meet new people and find what you really like to do or specialize in.

If college is not an option for you, seeing as you are 30, here's a list of topics you'll have to learn on your own somehow:
>algorithms
>data structures
>operating systems
>computer architecture
>software development

Along with all this, do this stuff:
>open source development
>build side projects
>do internships (open source internships usually dont have age limits)
>explore sub-fields you develop an interest in

All this will give you a well-rounded comp sci background, probably better than most college grads.

[Anonymous No.23796144]

>>23788928
Im sorry but the good wfh jobs are rarely entry level anon.

[Anonymous No.23796342]

>>23792298
As I said 120+ IQ is safe. Each point less is going to be painful to a certain point, where it's going to be impossible to be a good programmer. The worst thing is, that tech is changing rapidly. Intelligence helps a lot in order for you to adapt.
>>23792711
My ID changed but you refer to my post. Indeed remembering numbers is a very good indicator at how good of a coder you're gonna be. 7 numbers is average. My record was 9, and that was with using tricks like remembering 3 groups of 3 numbers.
My posts sounds niggerish, because English is not my first language.

[Anonymous No.23796493]

>>23795291
I'll be 42 this December and I just started my first tech job. I was in management in defense contracting and I made the switch. Am I taking a pay cut right now? Fuck yes I am. Am I enjoying what I'm doing more now? Fuck yes I am, and I have a path to a higher wage that's far clearer than fucking around with contract life and corporate ladder horseshit.

[Anonymous No.23796566]

>>23789774
You're totally wrong. What does it matter if you can learn a tool in 5 years, if that technology is already obsolete? Programming could be different, if it wasn't changing so rapidly. The pace at which this space is changing is the main factor why people with lower intellect are never going to catch up to the best ones. The other problem is as I said fact, that there are tones of people that want to get into this career. Competition is insane.

[Anonymous No.23796586]

>>23788928
OP, don't listen to any of these fags telling you you need math for programming, you don't unless it's for very complex niche shit like ML or writing game engines or shit like that. Web dev can be learned entirely by yourself with no formal education and zero math. To get good jobs though a degree would be beneficial and as some people itt have said, the good wfh jobs require a degree and/or years of experience.

>t. software dev at one of the biggest investment banks in the world and can't solve high school math problems

[Anonymous No.23797396]

>>23796342
>Indeed remembering numbers is a very good indicator at how good of a coder you're gonna be.
I honestly can't tell if this is bait or not.

[Anonymous No.23797420]

>>23796493
How did you end up making the switch and getting your first job? I want to avoid going back to school if possible...

[Anonymous No.23797453]

>>23788928
if you were serious about this goal you wouldn't be asking how to on biz

[Anonymous No.23797512]

>>23788928
I'm not a programmer, I'm an engineer, but I'm very familiar with programming.
look at a python tutorial or something and get the basics, find some challenges somewhere to sharpen your skills, then get certified in some way.
I think that's the process for getting a codemonkey job.

[Anonymous No.23797528]

>>23797420
I went back to school, graduated with a BIT with minors in cyberscurity and cybercrime and made sure that I had my A+ and Network+ before I started applying. I scored my first job off Indeed.

Don't be afraid of going back to school, picking up a second degree is easy if you already have the first one. There were more than a few people my age in my cohort and classes. I went to a State school in the US South, for frame of reference.

[Anonymous No.23797731]

>>23789945
>all the slutty nurse pussy couldn't make up for how much I hated the profession and healthcare.
this benefit should not be dismissed so handily.
(coroporate) programmers have very limited opportunities to create a social life if you dont already have one.

[Anonymous No.23797860]

>>23791859
Agreed, once you hit 35 absolutely no one will hire you. Happened to me. I had to find a new career, and then lucked into realizing that Bitcoin was pretty cool back in 2010 so now I just snooze on the beach all day.

[Anonymous No.23797934]

>>23788928
coding is the most mindless and stupid shit imaginable.

[Anonymous No.23798272]

>>23788928
learn code by deep diving into projects like DUN etc