/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.23520590]

>Volkswagen can't make electric cars
>can't even make a car that pollutes within legal parameters
>Wirecard was a complete fraud
>SAP is the clunkiest piece of shit ever, and finally companies decided to tell them to fuck off, and shares collapsed
>Siemens doesn't even do consumer electronics anymore, and is 20 years behind in their technology when compared with the fucking chinks
>Deutschebank is still the world most fraudulent financial institution, recently caught again as the major player in a scandal (FinCen papers)
>Their huge pharma hasn't been able to produce a decent covid candidate vaccine

Why the fuck do people praise German engineering and/ir entreprise? They're a fucking fraud, I will literally short the fucking DAXX.

[Anonymous No.23520622]

>>23520590
This is a comfy Lition thread

[Anonymous No.23520623]

>>23520590

cause BMW and benz go brrrrrrm brrrrrrrrrrrm haha

[Anonymous No.23520636]

but muh Rheinsteel

[Anonymous No.23520638]

>>23520590
Because reputation is more important than reality... For a while.

[Anonymous No.23520645]

Germany didn't have copyright laws until 1870. This gave them incredible advantage for centuries in science. Then we had operation paperclip, and the rest is history. Don't think they have any advantages these days.

[Anonymous No.23520652]

Germans are fucking retarded cunts. And i am a german, working in IT. Did you know that you cant delete Customer Data in SAP? Even though because of data protection you cant hold Customer Data if they delete but they still do.
>Wirecard
Still funny as fuck. Everyone searching that CEO with mugshots asking "did you see this guy?"

[Anonymous No.23520693]

>>23520645
To be fair, a lot of their great compankes were great well into the beginning of the 21st century.

>>23520652
That's actually appalling, holy shit.

[Anonymous No.23520713]

>>23520652
guess what recently launched blockchain partnered with SAP solves this

[Anonymous No.23520728]

>>23520693
Pic related is that mugshot of that wirecard dude.
top says "Sacm amounted to billions" and below that picture it says "Do you know where this nigger is? Call us".

That thing with that Personal data, they could probably delete it but SAP does it so difficult ways they dont even bother. In some use Cases its not even possible.

[Anonymous No.23520768]

>>23520590
germans suck

[Anonymous No.23520781]

>>23520713
I work daily with SAP and in my Opinion is overly complicated and stupid. It gets even worse if a customer has own implementation that differs from the default. But its like Brands, everyone has to use SAP here in germany.

[Anonymous No.23520797]

It‘s the middle-sized companies that make Germany great

[Anonymous No.23520806]

>>23520728
One question here. I've always seen Germans as pretty direct and self-aware. Do you guys comment on the state of your failling industries, and how you cannot produce quality anymore, including the financial industry, or do you treat this subject as a different thing and for this you choose to pretend that you're still the best? Is there national awareness about the decadence of german engineering, that's the question.

[Anonymous No.23520811]

>>23520797
unironically true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzE038REw2k

[Anonymous No.23520826]

>>23520797
Examples?

[Anonymous No.23520923]

>>23520806
I can only speak for the environment i am in. Germans love to circle jerk and implement retarded ideas to surveillance themself (like in my team). Its a bit too much IT but we have a Retrospective where you talk about the last 2 weeks and what went good / what went bad. Most germancunts dont do their shit and then complain about it. They lirry complain about themself but phrase it like its the others doing it. I hate germans so fucking much man. They are always high on themself, if they do mistakes they ignore it kinda and they implement often useless garbage that makes everything slower.

[Anonymous No.23520945]

Germany is a clusterfuck of people getting assraped by taxes to fund their own replacement. Niggers and Arabs are being imported by the boatloads every day and the German topgoy finances it all with his own hard earned cash

[Anonymous No.23520948]

>>23520923
Using "agile methods" is fashionable all across the west, it isn't a german thing.

[Anonymous No.23520989]

>>23520948
I know, it was an example

[Anonymous No.23521002]

>>23520826
* Innovation and Creation
* High export up to 93%

If you want to know more you can search for "German Mittelstand" and "Hidden Champions"

[Anonymous No.23521023]

>>23521002
Ok, but I asked for names of midsized companies that represent that sector you mentioned. I didn't ask for meme statistics, those export numbers could be as well provided by the big shitty enterprises we have been discussing.

[Anonymous No.23521029]

>>23520590
sounds based to me, Deutschland here i come

[Anonymous No.23521150]

>>23521023
That wasn’t clear. Next time you can write in full sentences maybe.

If you are looking for company names you didn’t get me. Small companies are the economic engine of Germany, but in sum, not as a single.

But if you insist, here’s a website, which ranks the most important middle-sized companies, just scroll down to the table: https://die-deutsche-wirtschaft.de/das-ranking-der-groessten-mittelstaendler-deutschlands/

[Anonymous No.23521196]

>>23520945
Sad but true, of most and soon to be all western countries.

[Anonymous No.23521876]

>>23520652
>delete Customer Data in SAP
LMAO LIT TOKENS GO SCHWUPS AND GONE AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

[Anonymous No.23521887]

>>23520923
>Germans love to circle jerk and implement retarded ideas to surveillance themself (like in my team)

You mean bullcrap like time tracking and gamification of tasks? Only cucks would willingly suggest those to be implemented, I can't for the sake of my life see why ANYONE would do that to themselves.

[Anonymous No.23521938]

>>23520590
You forgot to mention Bayer

[Anonymous No.23522008]

>>23520638
Pretty much this. Too many companies got greedy and rested on their laurels. Same is true for Japanese companies like Sony, but at least Japan still cares a bit about quality and innovation.

[Anonymous No.23522048]

>>23521887
We use time tracking for the Tasks. The Project Managers use that for creating the invoice.
>gramification
True. I we dont have that (yet).

We had like coding guidlines, which were rewritten the 5th time. We have like 3 useless Dailies. And for every Dev-Review you do, you have to fill out some stupid form that just eats time.

[Anonymous No.23522124]

>>23520797
They used to be great, but I think they are going down the same road of penny-pinching and putting profit before quality that they were once known for. For example, I used to love Karcher pressure washers, but now I find them cheaply made, breaking down all the time, and way too expensive for their worth, especially the add-ons.

[Anonymous No.23522250]

>>23521150
Thanks, will read. By the way, about that claim, that the small.companies are the economic engine of the country, it's a rethoric repeated by literally every democratic western country.

[Anonymous No.23522274]

>>23522008
I trust Japanese quality standards above all others, to be very honest. It's a cultural mindset.

[Anonymous No.23522294]

>muh jorman injinyooring
krauts lost two world wars back to back

[Anonymous No.23522326]

>>23522124
These idiots don't understand that the reason people liked to buy their stuff was because they were overengineered and lasted a lifetime. They thought that if they started making them with the dame quality as the chinese bugs that people would still choose german because of "brand". Lol, we can clearly see what's happening, with their declining sales (vs shitty chinese equipment). Good riddance to german industries.

[Anonymous No.23522384]

>>23522326
I would not be surprised if half the "German" stuff is actually made in China now.

[Anonymous No.23522454]

>>23520590

Germany is currently in the Weimar stages of its resurrection and this time nobody will resist the cleansing Europe needs.

[Anonymous No.23522495]

>>23520945
no one asked you about your fetish

[Anonymous No.23522569]

>>23520590
Maybe we should import more middle eastern people

[Anonymous No.23523528]

>>23522384
At least components must be.

>>23522454
Sure, chud.

[Anonymous No.23524234]

>>23520652
>Did you know that you cant delete Customer Data in SAP?
Stop it anon, I can only get so erect!!!

[Anonymous No.23524266]

>>23521938
I own so much fucking BAYER I thought I was buying the dip AAAAAHHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.23524275]

>>23520590
>sell the sizzle, not the steak

[Anonymous No.23524462]

>>23522008
I worked for both DE and JP companies and please don't even fucking compare
The average german is so fucking moron and entitled you wouldn't believe
Japaneses are god tier

[Anonymous No.23524515]

>>23520590
>Volkswagen can't make electric cars
This is what I initially thought and were wondering over the past decade.
It might actually be true to some degree but there are other things at play here.
Around 2012 to 2015 it became obvious that something's off with the German automobile industry as they seemingly couldn't (or wouldn't) into electric cars and stuff.
Back then I suspected that it could indeed be a lack of knowledge and finesse in engineering and r&d but I also thought there might be other forces of influence.
A few years ago, at the time the last generation Mercedes S-Class received its mid-cycle refresh I said that if Mercedes isn't releasing a full-electric S-Class right at the point when the new generation comes out (which it has now) then this will be a big tell that indeed the whole western european automobile industry doesn't want anything to do with electric cars.
>inb4 Mercedes eq shit
>inb4 VW iq shit
>inb4 all the other niche bullshit
It's nice bullshit, nothing will come of it.
So yeah the new S-Class is out and there isn't a full electric version of it. So that settles that.
Now back to the "other forces at play"... this year during the first trollVID wave there were announcements that the EU will put massive monetary resources behind hydrogen r&d and support the advancement of the technology literally at a any cost.
And vallah, the main reason why europeans were so reluctant to get into electric cars was revealed.
It was agreed, probably decades ago, by big oil, big auto, big infrastructure and big government in the EU (and elsewhere) that the current structures of perpetual dependency on big * shall not be challenged by another technology which the end user could harness from his rooftop with the aide of a solar panel.
You can't have that in the beast system.
Expect the EU and others to come up with INFINITE currency for hydrogen r&d over the next decades.
INFINITE
>tl;dr fu read it all

[Anonymous No.23524609]

>>23520806
Basically we're now at a point where every idiot on the street knows the german economy isn't future proof and will hit the wall hard in the next 10 years but management in all firms just continues business as usual. It's a real shit show. Some companies now try and start changing gears on a lot of the issues but it's at least 5 years too late and even those are very few who do so. German government just now starts to realize 'hurrt, maybe we need some technological parity with literal third world countries' but it's all just way too late. It would still be possible to pull out of the hat since Germany still has massive funds now but those old sources will dry up within the next 10 years and so far there's nothing really to replace them and neither the government nor comapnies are really putting any efford in changing this. I really hope this stupid pandemic is gonna be the cataclyst to the changes this country desperately needs and fast

[Anonymous No.23524884]

>>23520590
>can't even make a car that pollutes within legal parameters
Yes. No one does, though.
>Wirecard was a complete fraud
Yes. And they're getting away with it.
>SAP is the clunkiest piece of shit ever, and finally companies decided to tell them to fuck off, and shares collapsed
Nope. German proverb: "Totgesagte leben länger."
SAP "crash" was nothing but a healthy correction.
Their products will linger around for literally ever and who knows if they come up with new shit.
"Totgesagte leben länger." is exactly what happened to GameStop recently.
>Siemens doesn't even do consumer electronics anymore, and is 20 years behind in their technology when compared with the fucking chinks
Siemens is a dinosaur and has basically morphed into a pension fund for old Germans and will be kept alive by limitless stimulus and bailouts if necessary.
Siemens is one of the companies that do not need to sell a product anymore.
Literally too big to fail.
>Deutschebank is still the world most fraudulent financial institution, recently caught again as the major player in a scandal (FinCen papers)
Couldn't be more wrong.
DB-doomtards will get the rope one day.
Everyone who postulates about the collapse of DB loses all credibility.
>inb4 any day now
LOL, nope.
>Their huge pharma hasn't been able to produce a decent covid candidate vaccine
All the shit written about Siemens above applies to Krautpharma as well.

Germany is a pension fund at this point that in the coming years will rely entirely on stimulus and bailout money since there is no industry anymore to pay into it.

And the DAX will crash accordingly.... through the stratosphere into space.
>tl;dr infinite stimulus

[Anonymous No.23525006]

>>23524266
I mentioned the pharma industry.

[Anonymous No.23525068]

>>23524515
Honestly, I actually agree with your thesis, but also from a technological point of vew. Because burning hydeogen is still a form of combustion engine, it's less radical in terms of R&D than full electric with huge batteries.
The world doesn't give a fuck, though. Full electric will win out, it's more than obvious. Bye, bye stupid german autos.

[Anonymous No.23525116]

>>23524609
Interesting take.
I find it weirs that the Netherlands and France are going very strong into "green" tech, with stuff like Avantium, Corbion and Carbios, but Germany just seems to be in a state of deni, it's super weird.

[Anonymous No.23525146]

>>23524884
>can't even make a car that pollutes within legal parameters
yes they could, how?
Just make AdBlue tanks REFILLABLE, their retarded engineers put their adblue tanks below the trunk where consumers couldn't reach it to refill it, so that requires a technician.
Because their tanks were too small, they decided to decrease the amount of AdBlue injected so the tanks could be refilled with every service interval.

[Anonymous No.23525175]

>>23524884
Are you a complete idiot? Germany does not have the power to sustain a dinosaur industry like the US or even Japan does. The doomsday will come eventually. If you deny what is said about Dzb then you are the complete delusional schizo, it only exists because of bailouts. Thry spent the last 10 years cutting jobs and quitting investment banking, that's a huge sign that thry lost their immunity. It's not going to be an overnight event, but DB will burn slowly.

[Anonymous No.23525257]

>>23525146
Lol, what a fucking shitshow.

[Anonymous No.23525267]

>>23525068
electric don't need a lot of r&d, its a meme, electric engines are decade's old tech, and with basf, varta and the big 3 carmakers they could get that to work as well.

it's the retarded managers who are stuck in the past, there was an interview with a manager from Daimler who said nobody wants self-driving cars, people wanna drive themselves.

That faggot really thinks people enjoy commuting 2h to their wagecages and being stuck in a traffic jam for 1h.

[Anonymous No.23525310]

>>23525267
Yeah, it’s probably better we give them a self driving car that comes with WiFi so wagies could wage remotely on their way to work to increase their productivity. Anything to make extra money.

[Anonymous No.23525323]

>>23525267
They require a lot of R&D for increasing autonomy and reducing manufacturing costs, which is the reason why Tesla, which has spent so much money and time already on those, has a huge headstart.

But yes, it's also a question of denialist culture, but that just seems to be the same for every institution in a decadent phase.

[Anonymous No.23525336]

VW=Porsche and they just made the best EV thus far

[Anonymous No.23525356]

>>23525310
one way to look at it, i thought more of sleeping while driving, but i wouldn't mind if i got paid

[Anonymous No.23525362]

>>23525175
>the same reply and insults for more than a decade now
>any day now

>Germany does not have the power to sustain a dinosaur industry like the US or even Japan does.
Care to elaborate why exactly?

>If you deny what is said about Dzb then you are the complete delusional schizo, it only exists because of bailouts.
You should snap out of your 2008 delusions that the controlled demolition of Lehman and Memesterns will repeat because of muh fundamentals.

How many more years to finally realize that make-belief is the actual reality of the system we're living in?

>Thry spent the last 10 years cutting jobs and quitting investment banking, that's a huge sign that thry lost their immunity. It's not going to be an overnight event, but DB will burn slowly.
Any day now.

Just let go of your rationale already. It would save you money.

>inb4 spacing seethe

[Anonymous No.23525415]

>>23525267
>it's the retarded managers who are stuck in the past, there was an interview with a manager from Daimler who said nobody wants self-driving cars, people wanna drive themselves.
>That faggot really thinks people enjoy commuting 2h to their wagecages and being stuck in a traffic jam for 1h.
Welcome to the quintessential German mindset.

[Anonymous No.23525416]

>>23525336
Unironically, that one looks like it's a step in the right direction, but it's still playing catch-up, not setting the standard.

[Anonymous No.23525491]

>>23525362
Yes, I can elaborate very easily. Germany is an exporting nation, it doesn't have an internal market strong enough to sustain their dinossaurical industries through fake stimulus. They're trying to force the EU into that role, but as the other countries turn poorer, they will start importing less and less from Germany, and the ponzi scheme will collapse. It's literally a ponzi scheme. Internal demand in the US and Japan is enough for them to sustain themselves, and for the US case, even enough to produce growth.

Also, if you shorted DB since 2008 you would be making triple digit gains, so you're the one that doesn't like money, it seems.

[Anonymous No.23525563]

>>23522384
I bought a French press and it literally has a Dutch flag and brand name and it says German engineered on the box. But its actually "made" in China.

[Anonymous No.23525650]

>>23525491
>Yes, I can elaborate very easily. Germany is an exporting nation, it doesn't have an internal market strong enough to sustain their dinossaurical industries through fake stimulus. They're trying to force the EU into that role, but as the other countries turn poorer, they will start importing less and less from Germany, and the ponzi scheme will collapse. It's literally a ponzi scheme. Internal demand in the US and Japan is enough for them to sustain themselves, and for the US case, even enough to produce growth.
Meme economics that have been proven meaningless and irrelevant over the past decade.
Finance and economics are man-made structures and their rules can be changed on a whim. And they have been changed and will be changed accordingly.
Observable reality is the proof.

>Also, if you shorted DB since 2008 you would be making triple digit gains, so you're the one that doesn't like money, it seems.
It is not possible for a short to return more than 100% except for leveraged derivatives which you don't short but go long even when expecting a downturn in the underlying security.

[Anonymous No.23525841]

>>23525650
I didn't mean short stock, I meant short as in your stance, so buying puts repeatedly, should have elaborated better.

Also, you're just in conspiracy theory mode, what I am stating even based on any economical model, it's just common sense reasoning, you don't need an economic theory to predict a ponzi scheme. Wait and see, then, I agree with you on that. The year where Merkel steps down, the illusion of stability and control will crumble, and the slow burn will start, that's my bet.

[Anonymous No.23525931]

>>23525841
>I didn't mean short stock, I meant short as in your stance, so buying puts repeatedly, should have elaborated better.
Nice safe!

>>23525841
>Also, you're just in conspiracy theory mode, what I am stating even based on any economical model, it's just common sense reasoning, you don't need an economic theory to predict a ponzi scheme. Wait and see, then, I agree with you on that. The year where Merkel steps down, the illusion of stability and control will crumble, and the slow burn will start, that's my bet.
I strongly disagree with everything except for "wait and see."

Time will tell.

Nothing wrong with disagreeing.

[Anonymous No.23525972]

>>23525650
>Observable reality is the proof.
Observable reality has been proven meaningless and irrelevant over the past millennium.
Empiricism is a man-made spook and its merits can be changed on a whim. And it has been changed and will be changed accordingly.
Black swans are the proof.

Invest in genetic determinism and cultural tradition, truth of the masses is the only truth there is. Sergey knows this.

[Anonymous No.23526018]

>>23525931
Of course. I won't feel particularly vindicated, to be honest, but I am reasonably confident on my thesis.

[Anonymous No.23526040]

>>23520590
>>Volkswagen can't make electric cars
VW id3
Porsche taycan
Audi etron

???

[Anonymous No.23526195]

>>23520590
Siemens is 20 years behind the chinks? Maybe so bu siemens have always been slow. They let the retards develope new tech and learn from their mistakes and then come out with a superior product and uses their brand as leverage to out perform the competitors.

This is just from my experience in the automation business. Looking at their plc/nc hardware and software. Can't say much about the rest.

[Anonymous No.23526223]

>>23520806
No. I work in Germany. They have two shitty generations which will destroy the contry and Europe with them.

[Anonymous No.23526255]

Germany is massively fucked by boomerfication
Every decision is made by boomers, this is the result

[Anonymous No.23526319]

>>23526195
Do you have a concrete example of them surpassing their competitors in tech when they deem that they time is ripe? Thr only companies I have seen doing thst were japanese, because they tend not to cut corners, and not because they just have genuises that deliver solutions on demand.

[Anonymous No.23526355]

>>23526223
Can you elaborate on your opinion? I find it intriguing that you're making a distinction of two specific gens.

[Anonymous No.23526587]

>>23524515
The real reason is the volkswagen ceo is an old boomer that doesn't give a single shit about what happens after he retires
He thought he could quench out profits from ice till that happens so he saved money on electric r&d
Now he thinks he can stay with battery electric until he retires so he doesn't wanna "waste" money on hydrogen r&d
Infact he is stomping in the natgas tank r&d department right now even tho those guys have the perfect expertise and equipment to develop good hydrogen tanks, that still don't really exist yet
It saves vw like 3 millions a year, thats pretty much nothing, but battery electric it is now :^)
Thanks Boomer

[Anonymous No.23526619]

>>23525068
>Burning hydrogen is a form of ice
Lmao hydrogen cars use a fuel cell as generator for highly efficient electric engines

[Anonymous No.23526643]

>>23520590
>own 2014 vw jetta tdi
>over 30 MPG with diesel fuel
>awesome acceleration, no issues
>vw becomes involved in emissions scandal that has nothing to do with me
>receive $6k for free and emissions modification for free

Actually, I'm thinking they're kind of fucking based TBQH

[Anonymous No.23526763]

>>23520781
Same. I work in a german hospital, use SAP daily. Sometimes you just get an error and lose the last 10 minutes of your work, IT can't do anything because the framework is shit.

Still bought SAP for 1000€ cause of their expanding cloud service, salesforce might stomp them but for now they are growing in that direction. Just gotta hold for like 7 more years fml.

[Anonymous No.23526800]

>>23526619
Do you have any papers with figures that I can look at? With battery electrics I can easily find the lit.

[Anonymous No.23526824]

>>23526643
They refused to do the upgrade on many EU countries, as well as refusing to pay the fine to customers. I know it happened in Portugal, at least.

[Anonymous No.23526875]

>>23526763
You have tons of good companies to invest relaying to cloud services:
Google
Amazon
Microsoft
Cloudflare


SAP and Salesforce are pieces of shit. Yes, Microsoft also has piece of shit products, but they still manage to get amazing integration with tons of different hardware.

[Anonymous No.23527029]

>>23526355
Postwar generation have built everything. Real inovative and hardworking spirit. Then boomers tried to fill their shoes, berelly maintained stuff, went on holidays, didn't have kids. Now millenials are total dumpkopfs. Late for work, 8 hour day is too long for them, copy paste everything. They don't take risk, fucking Turks and imigrants create companies. Still reapiting small companies myth, as if those do not serve big companies. You get the point.

[Anonymous No.23527482]

>>23527029
I do, but I think that's the picture for most of the western countries in the post war period that were in a democratic regime. Even Japan, since they had an unbelievable economic development post war.

[Anonymous No.23527553]

>>23520797
This. Fuck the Untermenschen.

[Anonymous No.23527768]

>>23520948

i fucking hate this shit holy crap.
todays work environment must lead introverts to suicide.

[Anonymous No.23528401]

>>23527768
The agile shit is applied because programmers tend to naturally work as inteoverts and not report progress and difficulties, so it was to try and make IT the same as the other office jobs. So it isn't "worse" than the previous general office environment, it's just a convergence of a specific sector into the global mindset. It's still pathetic, obviously.

[Anonymous No.23528808]

>>23522294
t.jewish

[Anonymous No.23529060]

Btw, Merkel just announced German lockdown (((light))).

[Anonymous No.23529075]

>>23528401
I mostly agree with this. It was originally intended to make programmers better, well, programmers by cutting out the suits and forcing programmers them to embrace failure and moving fast rather than being autistic perfectionist assholes that overdesign everything. Then the agile manifesto signers had the brilliant idea of marketing it as a business model to the suits that they cut out in the first place. That's where it all went to shit.

[Anonymous No.23529158]

>>23529075
The suits love it because it forces micromanagement and periodic pedantic reporting.

[Anonymous No.23529432]

>>23520590

Germany is constantly losing momentum.
Its enormous wealth is thanks to their Automobile Boom in the 70s to 2000s after that it crashed hardly.
Oversaturated Car Consumer market
Too late tech investments, bureaucracy is a innovation break
Hard working germans diying out because they didnt breed enough
This entire country turning into a socialist shithole which is slowly but sure getting bought up by chinese, soon germany is nothing but a Russian/chinese satelite state.

Their Huge Pharma wasnt even capable of buying good companies but Monsanto...
The thing about Germans is that they dont care for their Country, they dont care if you hop in their houses and fuck and creampie their Wifes and daughters at same time.
They are at a point where social justice warrios have cut off their balls and 99% are turning into vegan sois.

Your forgot that german companies have completed an regular airport in 15 years of work.

15 FKING BLOODY YEARS TO COMPLETE 1 SIMPLE AIRPORT, ARE YOU KIDDING ME ? IN 15 FKING YEARS CHINA HAS NEARLY OVERTOOK THE WORLD.

Germany unironically to become Bulgaria in less than 15 years with cheap workforce since wages are the same like they used to be 10 years ago.....
Also look at Tesla , they aint done with finishing the Gigafac.....i swear to god , Tesla will close the Factory soon or later and move to Poland

[Anonymous No.23529533]

>>23520590
The ID3 sells like hot cakes.
Millennials and especially boomers are very risk averse and buying VW etc for reputation etc. They don't want to be the laughing stock at office buying something that is not mainstream.
Tesla was hip and had his unique selling point between 2016-2018. But a lot of 1st tesla buyers came back to ICE because the build quality.
I think VW will do just fine if not very good. Its not that hard to build a electric car. Its a literal battery with a motor on 4 wheels

[Anonymous No.23529695]

>>23520806

No
The only stuff germans are talking to each other during election times isnt the failing industries , or the failing and slowly drying out social "cash registers" for welfare and pensions , or the complete failure of technological disadvantages or the failures you mention.

Instead they talk about Erdogan (turkeys president) , refugees , integration , Boomercare homes and thats about it.

They talk not about growing Poverty in the older generations , wages being the same for literally 10 years , high taxation , outsourcing to asia, literally no IT Jobs in Germany in common , nothing sceptical to the Euro , and especially nothing about for changing this welfare system since it literally turned into an UBI with "hartz 4"

I already applied for a US greencard , lets hope the best that i get picked next year as eligible...i hope the US appreciates a German Electric Engineer

[Anonymous No.23529760]

>>23529432
Unironically, for Tesla it would make a lot more sense to build the factory in Eastern Europe or Portugal. Maybe Portugal because of ports.

>>23529533
I don't know figures on the ID3, but I have a friend who is a mech engine at VW and he told me not to buy any VW electric, he said their electric tech is absolute dogshit and it will break down easily. This is jusy one opinion, though.

[Anonymous No.23529831]

>>23529695
In Southern Europe at least people are always complaining about the economy, and criticizing the state taxing companies to hell to pay for state shit. Also, people crictize government subsidy to big boomer companies. The state keeps being corrupt, but at least it is something discussed amongst people that care about politics.

[Anonymous No.23529877]

>>23529432
its not that bad. go into your local ''industriegebiet''. new building and business everywhere. also a lot of ecom businesses established themselves all of the sudden.

hard working germans are truly rare, but there are some. ''ausbildungsplätze'' trade apprecenteships are filled more and more by refugees and blacks. on a decade level timeline this will mean lower quality products - not because they are less able or dumb per se but because there will be inevitably less and less social cohesion in the work place. this a big thing with german workers - they are (were) that good because they identified with their craftmanship, and they want their product to be good. it has to be prevented that workers will just start to not bother and just clock in and out. i dont know if anyone will be able to solve this problem. this country and its building blocks were not meant to be multicultural atleast it wasnt designed for it like the USA for example. the gov just brought over all the foreigners and magically hoped there will be no parallel society
the social cohesion is also gone in schools etc. this isnt a place to bring children in this world

[Anonymous No.23529905]

>>23529695
this but you forgot the corona talk, and how measures are too harsh or too light

and the boomers crying over the interest rates being so low, and giving you shit for even mentionig stocks, but they unironically believe that anyone below the age of 30 gets a "pension".
Most of them have seemingly no concept of inflation and risk/reward.
One thing that may be different in Austria may be Erdogan, nobody gives a shit here.

[Anonymous No.23529921]

>>23529877
I think that's a very insightful perspective, and I cannot find anything to disagree with. Western countries with demographic problems that import workers but don't try to prepare their own society to receive them, and just assume they will, are complete idiots.

[Anonymous No.23530005]

>>23529760
i think they chose Germany in the expectation, that they can get automotive engineers form established companies to tesla,
since there seems to be little other reasons to go to gemany.

[Anonymous No.23530075]

>>23530005
Yes, that's what I assumed as well, but they could have as easily gone to Czech Republic, because of Sköda, for example. Spain and Portugal also have auto factories. To me it seemed like a kind of a noob move, but that's expected from a newbie company.

[Anonymous No.23530098]

>>23529905
Corona talk is normal to be present everywhere, we have to assume that's a given, since it's the major factor in our current lives.

[Anonymous No.23530124]

>>23525356
>He thinks he will get paid for his commute waging.

[Anonymous No.23530215]

>>23530124

Yes in Germany the government pays you to commute.
the far you live the more you get.
I get around 1 to 2k€ per year in taxes back this way.
Stay mad amerimutts sometimes its good living in a socialist shithole

[Anonymous No.23530221]

Volkswagen basically needs to be broken apart. And seriously, spit on these fucking boomers still driving microbuses that aren't converted

[Anonymous No.23530311]

>>23530215
You sound like the average delusional American, to be honest. Like an average deluded Chinese, average deluded Brit, etc. Everybody got hugely subsidized, how? Public debt, pushed on the shoulders of future generations.

[Anonymous No.23530485]

>>23520590
>>Volkswagen can't make electric cars
e-Golf was awesome. Then they had to ruin it all by going all in with touchscreen controls and bullshit sliders in ID.3... who the fuck thinks controlling AC fan speed with touch screen in a car is a good idea? not to mention those god awful controls for side mirrors and windows... it makes me so angry because otherwise ID.3 is a really nice car

[Anonymous No.23530926]

>>23530311

Oh i couldnt give any fuck about this fking Zoomer generation to be honest.
I hope they all end up in the mini mart next corner , studying STEM and becoming yet another student debt kek and server at the local niggerfood chain.
Cant wait for them suicide depression threads of actual zoomers who couldnt make it as a YouTuber or streamer but have to work at McWagekek earning my divvies.
Yummy, goo for your dreams zoomie.
Boomers have fked us with home prices, we gonna fuck you with sky high stonk prices so you stay a slave for eternity.

kek

[Anonymous No.23531007]

>>23530215
This only exists to make you feel better when you get back a very small part of the money stolen from you through taxes.
The only way to make it in Germany is through cryptos by holding and even then it's a nightmare to make a profit from staking without getting taxed directly to 51% like a wage slave.
If you calculate the taxes and all social care you have to pay for and add the real inflation caused by the ECB and high cost of living the tax rate is between 70-80%.
This means you are working 4 days for free each week.
That's easy to understand why there is almost no hard worker left in this shithole.
You would have to be insane to stay in literal slavery if you put so much effort into your work and see that everything gets taken away from you in one way or another, and you are even priced out of living in a decent home.

[Anonymous No.23531062]

>>23530926
you germans are the most fucked up people on this earth you know that?
Schadenfreude, lmao. Special place in hell for you.

[Anonymous No.23531130]

the UK shills sent to attack german industry.

please go away 77th and gchq bots

[Anonymous No.23531233]

>>23520590
they killed a lot of jews i guess people like that, especially on this forum

[Anonymous No.23531259]

>>23529432
the chosen will never, ever forget about the holocaust, you will be their bitch forever and they will try to bring your country down by any means possible

[Anonymous No.23531295]

>>23522274
Didn't the largest Japanese steel manufacturer pump out low quality steel that they claim was high quality and get in a ton of trouble of that?

[Anonymous No.23531313]

>>23525356
Oh no. You’re actually gonna do work. You have emails and cold calls to make. Just do that until you get to the office using your self driving electric car.

[Anonymous No.23531328]

>>23531233
why would people on a ukrainian scuba dive forum like that?

[Anonymous No.23531438]

are germans mostly blonde-haired and blue/green eyed?

[Anonymous No.23531559]

>>23527768
>i fucking hate this shit holy crap.
>todays work environment must lead introverts to suicide.

Indeed it does anon... But you need to adapt or die.

[Anonymous No.23531714]

>>23530005
Nah they did because german gov massively subsides their car industry and they are not able to differentiate between german and us companies so tesla will get car gibs me dat

[Anonymous No.23531856]

>>23531007

I can sell my cryptos for tax free after hodling 1 year.
No one absolutely cares here desu

[Anonymous No.23531905]

>>23530926
Lel

[Anonymous No.23532049]

>>23531856
Why would you want to sell the only asset which is going to have high returns if it's not to time the market and sell at the top to buy back later?
It certainly does not make sense to buy housing now at the top of a bubble, and fiat is going quickly back to 0.
You could buy some specific stocks related to gold/silver mining or buy gold/silver directly, but their ROI may not be as good as from cryptos.

Staking or getting interest on your crypto holdings is a good strategy for long term holders, but it's taxed like a normal income.
If you want to reduce your taxes you would have to create a company to reduce the taxation of your interest or leave the country.
But just the idea of having to take care of all the administrative problems to open a company here gives me a headache.

[Anonymous No.23532906]

Tfw I'm a SAP developer. Am I wasting my time masturbating within SAP framework, instead of developing something else? The pay is good, but what if I get rugpulled some day?
P.S. Germany shall SUBMIT to Russia already, we have that sweet nat gas, so maybe, just maybe we let you rule over Europe again with unlimited energy

[Anonymous No.23533009]

>>23531295
I'm not aware of that story but there are always bad apples. Bht in Japan they literally kull themselves because doing something like that is seen so harshly.

[Anonymous No.23533027]

>>23531714
Seriously? I seriously doubt they aren't selective like that.

[Anonymous No.23533054]

>>23532906
You seriously don't know a major language? You're fucked.

[Anonymous No.23533284]

>>23533054
I know Java, but will have to start from Junior.. With SAP I'm a respectable professional (for now), headhunter Stacies are spamming my inbox every day. But I am slowly getting paranoid

[Anonymous No.23533319]

>>23533284
Some banks still use Cobol. SAP isnt going anywhere

[Anonymous No.23533376]

>>23533027
They are not allowed to select, except for special bailouts but the state wants shares for that in exchange
They always do shit that profit the whole car industry like Abwrackprämie or dieselscandal Abwrackprämie 2.0 and now ev substitutions

[Anonymous No.23533595]

>>23532049

In germany staking or dividends are not taxed like income.
Its taxed up to 26,375% , and US and a lot of other countries withholding tax is also recognized and the amount of can be calculated off from the 26,375%...

With living costs yea germany is pretty much fucked in every term desu.
Literally everything is taxed

[Anonymous No.23534389]

>>23533595
Where did you see that staking was taxed at only 26%?
Dividends from standards stocks have the limited capital gain tax.
However this does not apply to cryptocurrencies which are considered like gold and are reported in the personal income file taxed at the worst rate when used for staking.

[Anonymous No.23534895]

To all the Germans, which countries do you feel it's worth moving to? I was kind of considering Berlin but even that might not be worth it enough for me (I'm a southern yuropoor).

[Anonymous No.23535943]

>>23534895
In Europe I would pick one of the Scandinavian countries until I make it.
Norway and Denmark have the best social welfare, high salaries for STEM people and Sweden is in the top 5 of most beautiful girls in the world after Ukraine, Colombia, Lithuania.
It gives the least pain until you make it instead of being in a shitty country like Germany and the UK. I will settle down in Spain when I make it. Great weather, social people, nice girls from all over the world, beaches, nice food.

[Anonymous No.23535982]

Switzerland is nice but the people there are awkward, girls are ugly and the language is shitty. Austria is a bit better. All the other European countries are literal shitholes with crab mentality preventing you from making it.

T. Swede that visited 80% of Europe living in Norway

[Anonymous No.23536014]

>>23534895
Leave Europe, unless you want to bow down to Achmed.

[Anonymous No.23536261]

>>23535982

Apart from some countries in Europe and the US, do you feel some other countries might be interesting? Considering COVID, I'm willing to keep my options open and consider things outside Europe and North America.

[Anonymous No.23536443]

>>23536261
Depending on your situation. If you're a STEM wagie, I wouldn't go anywhere outside of the European countries I mentioned or the US.
However once you have an online business or you've made it then the only countries I would consider is either Colombia (no you will not get killed) and Dubai (knowing English is enough). Low to zero taxes, growing economy, nice girls especially in Colombia. No wagin there though only independent income

[Anonymous No.23536512]

>>23536443

Well, I'm a software development wagie at the moment... I was expecting something besides some European countries or the US. Still, thanks a lot for you feedback anon!

[Anonymous No.23536592]

>>23536512
Well me too until my side business gets enough income. You have also Australia which is also good salary wise for an IT dev. Until you've made it anon or have a online biz, don't move elsewhere. Its all a shithole which will get worse.
Stack those satoshis and do your best to achieve freedom.

[Anonymous No.23537138]

>>23529432
The chemical industry has been number 1 in the world since inception. At least there is an appreciation for fundamental research and innovation unlike what we have in Canada

[Anonymous No.23537275]

>>23520590
>Cherrypicks 3 well known examples
Also, I don't think people praise German enterprise. They praise German industry because it provides better job security, decent salary, and starts with a paid apprenticeship right out of high school.
If there's anything worth seething about is the German companies that export their factories to eastern Bloc countries to make cheaper crap products.

[Anonymous No.23537324]

>>23522384
>>23522326
>>23522124
This as well.
The components are made in China, and half the time the products are assembled in a completely different Euro country.