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23351613 No.23351613 [Reply] [Original]

Why do most here STILL not take vintage trading cards seriously? It has PROVEN itself as an a risk-free, high reward asset class, with nothing but gains for the last 4 years, and now Logan Paul and I have taken the market to a whole new level. What is there not to love?

>> No.23351646

>>23351613
How do I get started?

>> No.23351666

>>23351613
Because they’re toys.

>> No.23351699

>>23351613
I have a bunch of old yugioh cards somewhere, I wish I kept more of my actual good ones

>> No.23351703

You wouldn't have to shill it so much if it was so profitable for you. How over leveraged are you right now?

>> No.23351704

this is the pump before the dump

>> No.23351727

>>23351613

Are they actually worth something? I spent thousands as a kid on yugioh and pokemon cards when they came out. Probably north of 20k at the time. Where can I get them graded like that so I can sell that shit?

>> No.23351790

>>23351727
You mean your mommy and daddy spent thousands on your incel hobby? Sad

>> No.23351843

>>23351613
Because card faggotry is comprised of people who think they're too cool for boomer shit (stocks, bonds), but refuse to even discuss crypto

I'll take your child's hobby seriously when you take crypto seriously and not before

>> No.23351885

>>23351613
It implies you can find a buyer for them. Expected value is only useful for bargaining, the amount you will actually get is more important and actually ifluential.
Besides shouldn't other card collecters also have the card?

>> No.23351886

>>23351843
We do take crypto seriously. In fact, many card investors are also crypto investors, including the Collectibles Guru from Logan Paul's video, and Jeremy Padawer.

Cards aren't a hobby anymore, they're a real established asset class, just like crypto.

>> No.23351891

>>23351613
If it's that profitable why the fuck would you tell more people to join? If anything you'd rather not tell anybody.

>> No.23351912
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>>23351613
>Why do most here STILL not take vintage trading cards seriously?

MY BODY IS READY

>> No.23351916

>>23351613
are blue eyes white dragons even worth anything? i remember it was a very common card

>> No.23351932

>>23351912
harry potter is gay as fuck dude. no one will buy these bags off of you

>> No.23351949

>>23351932
This like wtf is this cringe Potter shit

>> No.23351953

>>23351932

Its WOTC and it is starting its moon mission as we speak.

>> No.23351992

>>23351932
>>23351949

Pokemon - 'cringe'
Harry Potter - 'more cringe'

You have to remember, buying pokemon cards a few years ago was seen as too cringe to buy. Now people are less scared to buy. Granted, Harry Potter is more cringe. But it is not so cringe that people will not buy a lot and pump the price 1000x due to similar Pokemon booster boxes doing so and people looking for other opportunities like when people buy Bitcoin first and then when Bitcoin has pumped they buy alt coins.

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because i have 50k LINK. fuck you faggots chasing cardboard with foil on it

>> No.23352043

>>23351992
harry potter will never be on the same level as pokemon or yugioh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL8GVk-GspQ

>> No.23352056

>>23351953
Final Fantasy and Vanguard are next, btw. Vanguard is the 4th most popular TCG, and is actually not far behind Yugioh in popularity. FF has its own "Charizard" in Cloud.

>> No.23352063

>>23352043
>harry potter will never be on the same level as pokemon or yugioh

Who said it need to be fgt? Just a little bit of interest will make it 10x-1000x. Its already gone up like 5x this year.

>> No.23352077

>>23352056

1 year later, we will see then.

>> No.23352084

>>23352043
It won't be, but in 3 years from now, it will be where Yugioh is now (Yugioh will have gone up another 2000% by then so it will still be way higher)

>> No.23352130

>>23351992
Jkr is a transphobic bigot

>> No.23352136

>>23352130
Bullish?

>> No.23352255

>>23351703
>You wouldn't have to shill it so much if it was so profitable for you.
This.

>> No.23352274

>>23352056
too bad Final fantasy will be on print as long as there's demand, unless you buy Opus I first wave.

>> No.23352276

>>23352130
And? Most of us who invest in alternative assets are conservative or libertarian, and thus give zero fucks about what leftist SJWs think.

>> No.23352293

>>23351613
Can you say, BUBBLE??

>> No.23352304

>>23352274
Yeah, Opus I Wave 1 Cloud has easy $20k-30k potential in a year from now. It is criminally underpriced at the $800-1k range.

>> No.23352318

>>23352293
The word you're looking for is "paradigm shift", actually.

>> No.23352338
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23352338

>>23352318
I got your Paradigm Shift right here, Nigger

>> No.23352353

>Why do most here STILL not take vintage trading cards seriously?

They're non-fungible pieces of cardboard marketed to poor children, and they're at the peak of the 30 year cycle.

>> No.23352399

>>23352353
Honus Wagner has gone from 30k to 3 million over the past 10 years. Many basketball cards have gone from worthless to 5-6 figures over the last 2. Trading cards are just getting started.

>> No.23352478

>>23352399
At some point counterfeits will be indistinguishable from the real thing. There is no way around this. We already produce computer chips down with accuracy close to the 7nm level. At some point someone will setup a plant to counterfeit perfectly and your bubble will burst.

>> No.23352484

>>23352399
>Honus Wagner

that card ran from 1909 to 1911 and at most 200 were ever printed. Its functionally a completely different asset class than childrens collectables from the 90s and early 2000s.

>> No.23352501

>>23351613
Just because you own them and there are "valuable" doesn't mean anybody will pay that price to own it.

>> No.23352621

I want a first edition Fossil set common of my favorite pokemon (it is not a very popular one)

how much should I expect to pay for a grade 8, 9 or even 10?

>> No.23352640

>>23351613
NFTs are a scam

>> No.23352679

>>23352621
Horrible time to buy due to Logan Paul's interest causing a massive pump. Wait for the inevitable dip.>>23351704

>> No.23352693

>>23351613
I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD. I WILL CREATE A LIMITED EDITION SERIES CARD GAME MADE OUT OF EATABLE OR EASILY DESTRUCTABLE MATERIAL.

Actually let's make it even more retarded, it cannot be placed in plastic and glass, it needs to be placed in a special container designed by me which are only 10% of the total cards available. Let's make it even more fucking retarded, it's illegal to own one so you have to use the dark net

AND AND AND
I will specifically hire an elite detective spy team that goes out of their way to steal all the cards and even murder you, IT WILL MAKE MY CARDS SO FUCKING EXPENSIVE WOW.

>Dude who the fuck would buy ---
Owning 5% of the entire supply lets your grand grand grand children own their very own live bio-engineered pokemon.

>> No.23352809

>>23351613
>? It has PROVEN itself as an a risk-free
why?

>> No.23352813

>>23352478
for cards as old as Honus Wagner I imagine dating the ink/paper is an enormous part of the verification process. Hard to counterfeit that.

>> No.23352840

>>23352640
How so?

>> No.23352846

Unopened jungle booster pack, how rich am I?

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>>23351613
Are you specifically talking about gradable cards or just high value in general?

>> No.23352924

>>23352840
no liquidity means they only make sense if you're already obscenely rich and want to diversify a small portion of your portfolio into NF assets that have a high barrier to entry and institutional demand, e.g., fine art, antiques

Otherwise, the risk v. reward ratio gets fucked by the low or non-existent liquidity.

>> No.23352963

>>23352813
Yes, but what physical barriers are there to replicating "aging" really. Things like atmospheric pressure, thermal noise over time, and carbon dating of the paper used can probably be replicated with the tech that we have. I'm not really arguing for the practicality of it just that it can be done if the pursuit is worth it.
I also realize that this community is probably akin to money laundering painting one at this point, and the only way for counterfeits to be close is by getting your hands on an original. Which to me is the definition of a bubble where only the "in" crowd can even buy this shit.

>> No.23352995

>>23352924
Great point.

You feel the same way about crypto NFT’s?

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I got this some years back, no one sells it anymore, is it worth anything?

>> No.23353076

>>23352963
>but what physical barriers are there to replicating "aging" really. Things like atmospheric pressure, thermal noise over time, and carbon dating of the paper used can probably be replicated with the tech that we have.

honestly, I don't know how expensive/possible/time consuming all that would be to replicate. But I imagine its not easy/cheap even if its possible.

>>23352995
Yes, except that crypto NFTs are even worse. They don't have the institutional demand or barrier to entry that fine art and antiques have, and they don't even have the wide pop appeal of things like beanie babies or pokemon cards. The likelihood that a crypto NFT goes to literal 0, as in, there is no human or bot on the planet willing to buy it for any amount of money, is incredibly high.

Now, fungible tokens representing platforms that facilitate the creation/exchange of NFT are a different story.

>> No.23353149

>>23353076
Thank you. I’ve been looking at putting some money into Chads. I don’t get the whole NFT thing, I think it’s pretty lame, but was wondering if there actually is a market out there. Just because I think it’s stupid doesn’t mean others do.

>> No.23353190

>>23351613
I compare it to baseball cards and luxury cars. There is a rabid market for them and I think they make decent medium-term investments but I lack the capital to hold them that long. I need short-term buys to swing trade.

Also, just look at what is happening to numismatics and philatelists, and what happened to entomologists and orchid hunters. Each collectable asset does eventually die off as interest is replaced by the next new shiny thing.

>> No.23353211

>>23351727
I probably spent about $240 on collecting MTG cards 10 years ago and the cards in them are only worth about $120 on the open market. The average TCG player won't make a profit on them unless the market becomes extremely hot.

>> No.23353285

I don't think pokemon has the ability to keep reinventing itself to new generations to ever justify buying pokemon cards at these prices. Not like comic books where you're buying the historical origin of some of these characters that are still popular 60 years later.

>> No.23353319

>>23352478
>someone will setup a plant to counterfeit perfectly
what?

>> No.23353568

>>23351613
It's a market based solely in nostalgic consumerism and I don't see what would stop 100% accurate Chinese fakes

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>have a nice ghost rare stardust dragon
>its got 1 small scuff on it
>its now probably worthless
>look it up anyways
Huh.
I wouldn’t mind dumping all my yugiohs to make a few bucks.
Maybe I’ll give it a crack on my days off. Go re-setup my ebay. Also wanted to push my old GPUs when I finally get a 3080.

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23353641

Hey guys, Rudy from Alpha Investments here. My taco are spicy like zendikar collector boxes.

>> No.23353652

>>23351912
take the L anon

>> No.23353658

To me it looks like a bubble. If I think price is unreasonable I won't buy it, this has made me turn away from Gold which might have been a mistake but this way I always sleep tight and don't have to worry

>> No.23353682

There are so many cards of any type.. which one to buy?

>> No.23353685

>>23353641
Based Rudy

>> No.23353701

>>23352893
Revised duals are popping off this year. I own an entire set of revised which I bought for 2k CAD two years ago, already more than doubled in price.

>> No.23353713

>>23351613
>Why do most here STILL not take vintage trading cards seriously?

You're a retarded grifter trying to inflate the price of your shitty baseball card collection by having all your retarded followers buy them.

>> No.23353718

>>23353285
Great point.

>> No.23353745

>>23353641
I wonder what is ex looks like for real

>> No.23353767

>>23351646
Buy a shit ton of cheap cards
Start a "business guru" instagram page
Gain fans trust and loyalty
Shill them the shitty cheap cards you're holding
Artificially inflate their value by promising your millions of retard wage slave fans that they'll be worth 10x in a few short months, watch them buy up the supply at extraordinary prices from your literally hundreds of ebay accounts

>> No.23353784

>>23352893 >>23352338
>>23351912 >>23351727
Sell them all before the bubble pops, you've been warned.

>> No.23353817

>>23351613
because I'm not a virgin manchild

>> No.23353824

Can I still sell mine if they are not in mint condition? Where do you get them appraised?

>> No.23353833

Because most of these fucking idiots only know about losing money to shitcoin scams and know nothing about entrepreneurship. They've got no clue about anything outside of shitty crypto lottery tickets.

>> No.23353955

>>23353833
>Because most of these fucking idiots only know about losing money to shitcoin scams and know nothing about entrepreneurship.

Give me your best advice for a wanna be entrepreneur still in college

>> No.23353998

>why do you not take grown men hoarding cards from a children's card game seriously

>> No.23354029

>>23353824
Appraisal is a good idea if you have a fat stack of cards because they give you bulk discounts. google it but PSA and BGS(?) are the big names. It’s also a good idea if you have the super rare cards or if you have the time and patience. If you’re just flipping them because you had some in your closet and youre locking in profits then just sell them and mark their condition accurately. graded mint>mint>near mint>slightly played>moderately played>heavily playes>damaged are the common decriptors

>> No.23354035

There are so many cards of any type.. which one to buy?

>> No.23354150

Besides these specific cards are there any other things worth 100-1000x their price I can buy off some parent cleaning the attic?
toys, stickers, postal cards, chewing gum?

>> No.23354243

>>23354029
Cool thanks. Is there a good website where I can check which are super rare/valuable?

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23354260

Hello again

I grabbed my lotus this time too!

Why do you keep shilling for cards on here?

>> No.23354368

So should I sell all my childhood Yu-Gi-Oh cards? I have a decent amount. Seems like a lot of work selling them all.

>> No.23354422

>>23353817
>>23353998
FUD

>> No.23354440

this isnt the fucking 90s anymore, grow the fuck up. Nobody is going to buy a 2 million dollar shit tier pokemon that cant even be used in battle anymore.

>muh pete rose cards
>muh babe ruth cards
>MUH POKEMON CARDS

>> No.23354445

>>23354243
To check prices I usually use TCGplayer because you have everyone undercutting each other on there so you can get a better idea of the price of liquidity. if a card has a ‘Market Price’ of $100 but the low prices are $89 then you know there are sellers taking a $11 hit to get rid of the card quickly

>> No.23354450

>>23351613
I don't take it seriously because I don't have any.

>> No.23354521

>>23354368
I never did YGO, but for Magic my process was separating out all the obvious money cards/mythics/rares/foils while organizing everything by set. Then after you price those out find a website that breaks down the prices set by set and look for the $1+ commons/uncommons. yes it takes a while but for a couple hours of work on the weekends I made $1k off my old collection of mtg cards since June. And if you were into card games then youre a little nerdboy like me and will find entertainment out of organizing and going through your old collection

>> No.23354536

>>23354445
And thanks again, I'll look into it.

>> No.23354568

>>23354536
no you wont, and no one will buy your manchild cards fgt.

you really think zoomers give a fuck about collecting shit tier items?

>> No.23354579

>>23354536
No problem, i cant recommend anyone getting into the hobby due to fomo and hype but i guess i have a lot of advice for people with old collections looking to make some extra cash

>> No.23354649

>>23354568
this is so stupid, under all the retarded hype going on there is a legit market where you can make some side cash over our childish decisions to spend money on a game a couple years ago

>> No.23354690

>>23351613
because any of those companies could reproduce 1/1 if they really wanted og cards just to make a buck out of cards that cost 200k each or whatever.

And it's not illegal either. So yes, it's retarded to even get into that market.

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I got this dragon ball super card from gamescom last year, any chance it's worth anything? It has a stamp of whatever tournament was going on "world adventure".

>> No.23354752

>>23351613
for me it's your stupid name, your combative attitude, and the fact that the market is flooded. Also you keep saying retarded stuff like "asset class" when we both know this shit will be worthless in 20 years.

but I guess if you love your new pogs this much I can't get mad. I'm just not sure why you shill it so desperately.

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>Why do most here STILL not take vintage trading cards seriously?

The cards you're describing are no different than art appreciation. The value is exclusively conceptual and continues to grow the longer they are out in the air, but the same cannot be said for the bulk majority of cards. There's also the notion that without a buyer, your art is valueless, and the buyerbase is ludicrously small. You're talking about searching for an individual who is so thoroughly invested in a TCG that they would purchase one of the rarest cards possible if they had the money, as well as being an individual with the assets needed to make a $200,000+ purchase on a collector item. It's an extremely unreliable "market".

Now then, there's value in the secondhand market where you can try to buy up cards that you believe will have further value later and cash out when you see a spike, but the ballpark there is mostly based on your understanding of the TCG and the design theory that follows. In addition, there are periodic unpredictable spikes because a card that is valuable in one format of a game may be so valuable that the card's value will explode wildly out of control, but a ban or reprint will tank that same price, meaning you generate bigger risks of owning useless cards than you would dealing with useless stocks. Big Money TCG trading is a meme.

>> No.23354759

Too easy to counterfeit

>> No.23354792

>>23354649
you sound like a fucking boomer jesus, the fact you are on 4CHAN asking for card selling advise should be speaking volumes to you and anyone else trying to sell cards like its 1960.

If your card was so "profitable" then you wouldn't have a problem selling it correct?

There is a small handful of you fgts that buy this shit and it wont last. Boomer shit is dead my friend, welcome to the future.

>> No.23354835

>>23354755
finally someone with a fucking brain

thank you

>> No.23354853

>>23351613
because the market is tiny and these "investments" will becoming illiquid, autistic paper weights in the next recession.

>> No.23354889

>>23354853
kind of wish pokemon would just die. Im a 90s baby and I loved it, but they have fucking pokemon shaped like chairs and tables now.., its a fucking joke.

only reason its relevant still is because of pokemon go... which will die also.

>> No.23354912

>>23354792
look at the id’s. just because you played the card game doesnt mean you know how to sell them online. also im not telling anyone to buy into this hype im helping them to sell. to cash out. to lock in profits before it “dies” according to you

1/10 you got me to respond but there are real tards in here you should be trolling

>> No.23354937

>>23351613
Getting Involved now with Pokemon is like buying ETH at 1600$.

>>23351912
There is a big Harry Potter Fanbase but not one of them played ever the Trading Card Game. Also the Auhtor is a Transphob.

>> No.23354976

Okay retards, i am gonna spoon feed you why this is going to explode

You buy VALUE and stake it in Governance vault. You get profit. Governance Vault is three-way profit system.

Governance vault has time based multiplier for duration locked into Governance Vault. It will soon use multiple strategy capital allocation, now you ask what the fuck is that? Well let me tell... Multiple farming strategies will be layered to precisely allocate capital automatically into several pools simultaneously. It means that the technology removes any need for users to spend time researching new farms and then paying high gas trying to chase larger rewards in those farms. Profits are maximized and efficiency is exponentially increased for depositors.

Value stakers in Governance vault will
get 6.7% profit of all Value Vaults. The best is that 6.7% of profits are used to buyback circulating $VALUE from the market, and deposit them as rewards for stakers. There is now more than 30mil staked assets in vaults. One of them is for WETH. And more flexible asset deposits coming for vaults. The vaults will use also multiple farming strategies as above i explained. So profit for vaults maximazed also and what better that VALUE stakers benefit also from this as they get cut from the vaults. Receives profit share from their DEX, Value Liquid, 0.05% of every transaction/swap.

The more VALUE you stake, the more you get. Less in circulation, buy back pressure from Vaults and liquid. Audited. You can vote. Not rug pull. Its YFI, Uniswap, Balancer combined together with automated one click system. Exatly what retarded wants without hassel. Easy money to get in when all is automated. See you in the yacht party.

$100EOY
thank me later

>> No.23355034

>>23354912
you are on a mong comic forum trying to be a white knight for the spergs and furries

you talk about pokemon cards, kys.

>> No.23355075

>>23354440
What is this supposed to even mean? A babe ruth card is worth more than your entire extended family. Prices have all gone up since the 90s lmao

>>23354568
Yes they will and they do.

>> No.23355133

>>23355075
lmao ok have fun selling your cards as you write on biz asking for help lol

>ngmi

>> No.23355145

>>23355034
this has been debunked

>> No.23355159

>>23355075
>babe ruth card worth more than family
>150k babe ruth card sitting on ebay for over 10 years

LMAOO

>> No.23355171

>>23355133
I'm not selling my link and I'm not selling my cards except for my shitty condition ones that I've been selling at a consistent rate at hilarious prices. Why are you so indignant and mean anon?

>> No.23355197

>>23355171
>posts on biz
>gets made fun of
>"why ArE u S0 MeaN?"

kys, seriously.

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>>23351613
>Why do most here STILL not take vintage trading cards seriously? It has PROVEN itself as an a risk-free, high reward asset class, with nothing but gains for the last 4 years, and now Logan Paul and I have taken the market to a whole new level. What is there not to love?
how do i buy this shit faggot? craigslist or something? how do i make sure a nog doesn't rob me at gunpoint?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pLU6bUFoKY
its monkey season

>> No.23355285

>>23355197
>hates cards
>9 posts by this ID

You really don't have anything better to do, do you? Stop replying to me and go find a thread that piques your interest instead.

>> No.23355348

>>23354741
Bump

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23355352

Antique and Collectables dealer here, feel free to ask any questions and I will try to help.

There is also 4chan pokemon subforum you can ask card values about though I am sure they will complain.

>>>/vp/

For cards condition is everything, people want super mint, graded, and most of all ones other people can't have.

>> No.23355377

>>23355348
have you checked ebay? google the card for the name the market calls it by

>> No.23355383

>>23354029
By the way, in order to sell cards at TCGplayer, do I need to have them appraised and have some certficate?

Or can I just mark it myself? But then what's stopping someone from lying?

>> No.23355386

>>23355352
good larp

nobody buys pokemon cards you fgts thus why you are here. BECAUSE YOU CANT SELL

>> No.23355400

>>23354755
If nothing else having those old cards gives me the biggest Kaiba boner.

>This card is so powerful the creator of MTG himself swore it would NEVER be released again! Now feel the unstopabable power of TIME WALK!

>> No.23355406

>>23355377
google any rare card, its been sitting for years before they rebid it.

Go look at famous baseball cards literally sitting on ebay for over 10 years.

kys

>> No.23355441

>>23355383
you can grade them yourself. tcgplayer has a condition guide, be strict. it’s capitalism, if you rip people off you’ll get bad reviews and people won’t buy from you

>> No.23355458

>>23355441
All sounds quite great, and then I discover I can't use tcgplayer because im not based in US :(

>> No.23355474

>>23355458
>selling pokemon cards outside the US LMAOOOOOOOO

you think japs still collect this shit?

>> No.23355492

>>23354755
>Big Money TCG trading

You can make a really good amount of money flipping collections. I agree that high end graded cards are a meme but valuable playable cards can make you loads of $$.

>> No.23355496

>>23355474
I want to sell them to US, but obviously not because of shipment etc.

>> No.23355502

How much a pristine first gen pikachu is worth, frens?

>> No.23355526

>>23351613
It's literally just some fucking cardboard, it has no markings like money has, what stops someone from making his own especially since the market boomed?

>> No.23355546

>>23351646
Buy reserve list mtg cards. Theyre the only thing thats investment grade.
Sealed pokemon will continue to shoot up because the supply is really low. Not worth getting in to. Buy some bazaar of Baghdads for 1k a pop and keep them in your safe for a few years. Easy money.

>> No.23355548
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>>23355386
I don't collect.sell them, I watch people buy and sell them (I sell different items although know many card dealers.)

Unless you find an incredible deal for a good price with rare cards, and don't get ripped off, you are not going to make a huge amount of money. The days of finding massive boxes of good cards for $10 are likely over

>> No.23355556

>>23355458
ahh sorry bud, i have no idea about selling out of the US, especially if the cards arent english. maybe sell your collection on your version of craigslist or look for a hobby shop with a buylist.

>> No.23355585

logan paul yugioh = miley cyrus crypto nails

>> No.23355614

I am ALL about Yugioh and Pokemon and am super glad that it's worth it
But the logan paul shit has likely caused a fat bubble, make sure to take profit anon

>> No.23355671

>no answer
lmao the moment that stupid lotus or the bitch nerd four eyes dragon reached $500 or so some douchebag just printed a few hundreds of them