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>> No.23117471

>>23117451
(((They))) want to perpetuate massive socioeconomic divisions

>> No.23117478

>>23117451
Because we don’t use real money, gold. Our nominal wages are rising, but the federal reserve monetizing government debt through inflation prevent prices from falling and prevents real wages from rising.

>> No.23117487

>>23117451

Because we don't produce any goods and services can be paid at a criminally low wage that pahjeets would accept that most won't.

>> No.23117496

>>23117451
Jews

>> No.23117505

>>23117478
tt

>> No.23117535

>>23117451
People keep accepting low wages is why.
It really is that simple. Once people start to pay up short term for their long term (collectively), is the day you will see companies leave the U.S. but wages also skyrocket.

Everything else is just a smaller causative factor.

>> No.23117565

If I don't wage slave for 3 weeks, then I can't pay for my rent. Whereas my best friend spent his high school obtaining the CCIE cert and doing some bullshit.

>> No.23117573

>>23117535
Companies have already left the US though. The economy is literally like this: 30% of the population selling burgers to the other 30% of the population (who is also selling burgers back to them). 40% are NEETs on some kind of bennies. This is literally the absolute state of the economy right now.

>> No.23117589

>>23117573
I was answering OP's question. I'm not sure how your input is in any way helpful.

>> No.23117607
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>>23117451
Mass immigration from the 70s onwards meant an oversupply of labour and weakening of worker's negotiating power.
Similar story in the late 1800s/early 1900s with things like the Homestead Strike.

>> No.23117613

females entering workforce

>> No.23117665

i blame women personally. name three women who deserve a raise. you cant.

>> No.23117677

>>23117451
Women entering the work force in the 70s in large numbers and immigration.

This expands the labour supply, win drives down costs (ie wages and conditions).

Why do you think every "business council" pushes so hard for workforce expansion policies? It's not about helping anyone excepr themselves.

>> No.23117679

>>23117665
Which can be offset by all males leaving the work force.

People don't know how much power they can hold collectively...

>> No.23117707

>>23117679
There are just as many useless dudes... To be fair.

>> No.23117713

>>23117451
Why the fuck would they? Why wouldn't business owners pocket the difference?

>> No.23117722

>>23117707
i know like 3 guys who are probably worth 15/hr and every woman ive ever met is worth about 7.30/hr

>> No.23117814

>>23117707
That's not fair because many men can be forced to have drive, but women when forced, produce less, are statistically less efficient (in many areas), and so on.

However, when society encourages men to be selfish scumbags, tells them subconsciously that women are more important than them, encourages their devilish side, this is what we get. Even law in America shows preferential treatment to women and minorities. It's like watching the weak rule over you. Who would be inspired by that. Consciously or subconsciously.

I can almost guarantee that society was more efficient in a mostly male/segregated work force.

Male and female both have different purposes, different general areas that they excel. I've met so many women already that have gone past the lines/acted creepy toward men in the workplace. If it was a guy, it would be almost a law suit or fired assuredly.

This diversity crap is just virtue signalling power grabbing garbage. And it's no wonder people don't respect white men. They keep giving their power away.

>> No.23117823

>>23117535
people don't "accept" low wages. people are forced to find work; if you do not have a job, you are homeless, but if a business doesn't have a job position filled, they are just less productive. so it skews in the favor of the job providers.

>> No.23117859

>>23117451
outsourcing, immigration, automation. it's really just that simple.

>> No.23117867

>>23117823
Thinking like a wagie.

Individualism creates division. Why do you think Jews are so powerful?

>> No.23117979

>>23117823
nah, there's a 3rd option; vote democrat and tax businesses to death and seize their wealth for the people.

>> No.23118001

>>23117979
When have taxes actually gone to the people?

Where has there been any single case of large scale democrat cities that have legitimately prospered most of it's inhabitants in the long term?

Run the statistics then come back with a real, structured, decision.

>> No.23118002

>>23117679
ya bro just leeeve da werkferce lmao, just b HOMless bruh. ya bro. totally doable lmao. fucking rich fucks, this is why we're voting for biden, to take everything from you.

>> No.23118014

>>23118001
most US cities are dominated from the shadows by white supreamacist mafias, trump being an example of the new york white supreamacist mafia. democrats fight for the little guy, they support everything that the 99% want and need to survive.

>> No.23118034

>>23117823
They won't accept you. Just like jesus you will be hated for telling the truth.

>> No.23118044

>>23118002
And I can leave the country just as easily lol. Don't be surprised when other well off people start doing the same and you're only left with trying to steal from each other.

Misery sure does love company, doesn't it?

>>23118014
lol.

>> No.23118650

>>23117471
>implying technology has not enabled wagies to do more in less amount of time

>> No.23119064
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>>23117451
This bugged me for a long time. reading this helped, relevant pic related.
> https://www.epi.org/publication/understanding-the-historic-divergence-between-productivity-and-a-typical-workers-pay-why-it-matters-and-why-its-real/
Things of note
> 1%ers are incredibly rich. Unfathomably compared to the average person.
> 99th percentile is 430k ish+
> 95th percentile income is a hair under 250,000 USD/year
> 90th percentile is 185k ish
> 50th percentile is 63k ish (Your income is probably around here or less)

tl;dr. America got jewed pretty hard going off the gold standard. 1% are in their own world of unfathomably wealth, while 95-99th percentile folks get finger pointed at for being at the top of a broken system. Since assets are finite and tend to stay in the hands of families / corporations, there is little to no trickle down (as some economists still think is a thing). Over long time periods, there is simply no trickle down, and you're stuck with the situation you see today- better to rent out a property for cash flow than ever actually sell, since assets grow over time no matter what you do. The system is already at breaking point, but it seems like detaching currency from a physical asset that can appreciate (gold, whatever really) quickly causes a two tier system to form. Asset/cashflow holders, and those with just cash (basically nothing).

Ironically capitalism works quite well for things like consumer goods. Look at the car you get for $15-20k now compared to 20 years ago, The cost of features across the board has been squished down. Same with TV's, computers, etc.

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23119076

https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

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>>23117451
https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

>> No.23119610

>>23118044
you will not be permitted to leave. and if you do, the military will simply be deployed to bring you back and make you pay your fair share.

>> No.23119778

>>23117451
Georgia Guidestones.
Under 100 million.

>> No.23119950

>>23117451
Because the more productivity increases the less human labor is actually needed in society which increases the competition between wagies and results in a race to the bottom. The requirements for even simple labor increase every year and you need ridiculous qualifications simply because there are people that have those and you need to compete. The fact that there is over supply of labor also pushes down wages because someone is always more desperate and will accept lower pay for the same job. The profits of the productivity increase go straight to the owners of the productivity which leads to the enormous wealth inequality we see today between the wagies and the owning lizard class.

>> No.23119981

>>23117613
>females entering workforce
Yes, this had a significant impact on the cost of labor. Now, why did more women enter the workforce? Second wave Feminism, right? Who was behind that movement? A great deal of them were from a certain ethnicity that is very small in number yet controls a disproportionate amount of wealth and influence.

>> No.23120058

>>23119981
Fucking Mormons.

>> No.23120062

>>23119950
To add to this, the end result will be extremely rich elite who own the corporations with the productive capacity and extremely poor wagie population which is dependent on government gibs. Such wealth inequality almost certainly leads to a collapse because the consoomers, i.e. wagies have too little money to consume which eventually kills the economy (what is currently happening). So we have this huge productive capacity to produce extraordinary amount of goods and wealth for everyone but we can't do so because people don't have the money to buy these products. So we find out that a capitalist system with extreme wealth inequality simply cannot stay afloat in the economic sense. It really comes down to artificial scarcity. We have the ability to provide everything for everyone, we have the resources, but we are not willing to distribute them.

>> No.23120528

>>23117451
Notice the lines diverge in 1971

Why is this? The end of the Bretton woods agreement which meant all world currencies were now effectively off the gold standard and free floating and the start of unlimited currency printing

Also partly due to roasties entering the workforce en masse from around this period pushes the price of labour down

>> No.23120549

>>23117451
is that the year 71? https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

>> No.23120562

>>23117451
Because there is no incentive. Capitalists can simply just take what they want because they have the power to do so

>> No.23120573

>>23117451
computers

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>>23118044
This
It's always; tax the rich more.
What they don't understand is the rich don't pay taxes fully anyway.
So these tax rises will just be dodged by big business like they always are.
While the hard working wagies are gonna be the only ones paying more.

And as you point out, if it becomes economical they will just move.
Then who's the rich? Oh right, it's the rest of us who aren't unemployed.
Enjoy paying for people who have no intention of ever working.
A watch this encourage more people to decide work just isn't for them.

What they need to want is an overhaul of the tax system. This doesn't necessarily even mean setting higher taxes, setting lower taxes can work better. Because once the taxes are close to or even lower than the legal fees to dodge the taxes, they'll just pay.

Just became a fucking tax haven, suddenly you'll have tonnes of businesses operating out of your country, paying taxes.

>> No.23121027

>>23117451
>end of the gold standard
You were never supposed to make it.

>> No.23121043

>>23117823
this

>> No.23121162

>>23117451
Advent of computing

>> No.23121823

You are all here with your Orange man bust on the shelf while opting out of "commie" unions
That's what's happening.

>Muhu I don't want to pay tyrone's healthcare
Well guess what, there is no difference between you and a nig when compared to the status of the 75percentile that rapes both of you in the ass

>> No.23121846

>>23117451
You're gonna double someone's pay when a computer you bought doubles their productivity?

>> No.23121930

>>23117451
because we're not actually growing. 1945 through 1980 was growth that actually mattered, the advent of modern manufacturing: continuous production processes, plc controlled machinery, modern QC/QA frameworks enabling higher quality products, modern management principles enabling better human labor, etc.

then everything stagnated in the mid/late 80s and manufacturing and slowly died off. now we're a """service economy"""" which means 70-80% of the participants are low wage nigger cattle that man the drive through, stock shelves, stack boxes on a warehouse, etc. for $10-15/hour and the remaining 20-30% of participants are overpaid retards who punch numbers into excel spreadsheets and send emails back and forth all day.

this type of growth doesn't actually produce anything of value. this is why market forces aren't rewarding us. we plateaued in creating value 30-40 years ago. combine this with outsourcing and it becomes even worse. china is going through a technological revolution like we went through back in 1945-1980. their high end manufacturing probably meets our standards but their low end manufacturing, the "chinkshit" everyone hates, is improving. when they plateau and transition to a service meme economy they will suffer the same fate. equilibrium wages are a bitch when the world poor as shit, as a whole.

>> No.23122081

>>23117451
Start of pop culture, watching sports, Individualism.
Before people always fought to get their fair share, but if people start to not fight for it they wont get it for free.

>> No.23122179

>>23117471
>socioeconomic divisions
Meme.
>>23117478
Retard.

Real reason is that the shareholders should be the beneficiaries, not the wagies. If the wagies invested their salary in stock, they likewise would have realized such increases.

>> No.23122439

>>23117613
>>23119981
This. It's like if over the course of 20 years 300 million immigrants showed up to work out of nowhere.