/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.22337009]

>have my seed phrase written down
>isn't stored anywhere else
>worried about a housefire happening and all of my money literally burning along with it

any other way of backing it up?

[Anonymous No.22337021]

>>22337009
Memorize it

[Anonymous No.22337213]

>>22337009
Encrypted cloud, graphene, your mind

[Anonymous No.22337233]

I have like 10 different seed phrases just sitting in desk draw in a house I share with room mates.

[Anonymous No.22337277]

I keep my seed phrase on my fridge

[Anonymous No.22337329]

>>22337009
send an email to yourself with a made up fictional story, and highlight or bold the word either to the left or right of one of the seed phrase words. dont bold the actual seed word, but whats next to it.

[Anonymous No.22337336]

>>22337009
i keep my seed phrase in my anus

[Anonymous No.22337349]

I named my kids after my seed phrases

[Anonymous No.22337353]

>>22337009
Email it to me

[Anonymous No.22337367]

>>22337009
Etch it into something that isn't flammable.

[Anonymous No.22337371]

>>22337336
May I also keep my seed in your anus?

[Anonymous No.22337397]

Email it to yourself on Gmail with 2FA enabled.

[Anonymous No.22337401]

>>22337009
just memorize it

[Anonymous No.22337419]

>>22337329
Oh shit that's good

[Anonymous No.22337422]

Cryptosteel .. google it

[Anonymous No.22337428]

>>22337009
You can hammer out a metal plate with the seed phrase and put it in a safety deposit box.

[Anonymous No.22337449]

>>22337009

Encrypt it using AES-256, back it up on multiple cloud providers. Use random sounding file names that disguise the fact it’s a seed phrase for extra obscurity. Back the encrypted file up on local media such as CD’s and HDD’s (no flash memory since it has higher chance of data loss). Store the encryption key in multiple locations that are separate from the encrypted files. Possibly go as far as burying it in a public location.

[Anonymous No.22337473]

>>22337009
If you have enough crypto to be worried about this just buy a fireproof safe

[Anonymous No.22337495]

>>22337449
Nigger, OP can’t even figure out the basics and you’ve got him hacking like a nerdy black kid in a current year blockbuster

[Anonymous No.22337503]

>>22337009
I made a painting of my sneed phrase.

[Anonymous No.22337522]

>>22337009
Laminate it. Make multiple copies. Buy multiple fire/water proof lockboxes. Keep one in house. Keep one buried in yard. Keep one burried in yard at parents house.

[Anonymous No.22337525]

>>22337009
get an engraver from the hardware store and engrave it on some kind of inconspicuous metal object

[Anonymous No.22337544]

>>22337495
For real dude what kind of schizo advice is that

[Anonymous No.22337552]

>>22337522

[Anonymous No.22337579]

>>22337449
But anon idk anything about encryption so im terrified of using it almost as much as the idea of uploading my seed phrase to the cloud unencrypted

[Anonymous No.22337583]

>>22337552
Extra points if you split the seed phrase into 2/3, so that you require any two of the three laminated documents to access.

[Anonymous No.22337591]

>>22337021
>>22337213
>>22337449
if you know how to, these are the best options


Putting your private seed somewhere unencrypted is not a risk I would take

[Anonymous No.22337642]

>>22337009
put a copy in a safe deposit box. You can encrypt it with a simple algorithm you can do by hand for extra security

[Anonymous No.22337658]

i have it tattoed in between my buttcheeks

[Anonymous No.22337660]

isn't it dumb as hell to use these?

wouldn't be better to literally use any blank paper/steel/whatever instead that doesn't say IMPORTANT DOCUMENT VERY CONFIDENTIAL?

[Anonymous No.22337664]

>>22337642
Get safety deposit boxes at two different banks. Split your key between them.

[Anonymous No.22337687]

>>22337009
>what is a safe deposit box

[Anonymous No.22337695]

>>22337660
it is dumb as hell to write it down anywhere unencrypted.
Are you stupid anon?
Only my grandparents put their passwords on a post-it note on their desk.

[Anonymous No.22337729]

Is storing it in a password manager like keepass a bad idea

[Anonymous No.22337738]

>>22337660
Write a story or poem utilising the phrase words in a set structure so that people think it is just nonsense. Or underline/circle words within a book/dictionary, again, utilising a structure so that the phrase word is for example always the word three words to the left of the circled word.

[Anonymous No.22337741]

>>22337009
i keep my seed phrase in a fireproof safe

[Anonymous No.22337760]

>>22337729
Yeah you should not have it typed out anywhere unless a computer that has never been online

[Anonymous No.22337762]

>>22337738
Put said dictionary in a safety deposit box. Redundancy is important. Remember that two is one and one is none. Banks can still burn down.

[Anonymous No.22337786]

>>22337741
This is what I do. Anything else is overkill. Really everyone is so paranoid

[Anonymous No.22337826]

if someone comes across your seed phrase lets say and knows what it is, you're fucked right? even if they don't know you use metamask, ledger etc.

[Anonymous No.22337828]

>>22337786
>Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.

[Anonymous No.22337866]

Tattooed on my asshole

[Anonymous No.22337916]

>>22337826
yeah they can use it and go to myetherwallet or something and login and take all your shit.

[Anonymous No.22337942]

You can buy a fireproof chest at walmart for like $60 anon. Or a metal wallet for $60-125. Either one would work.

[Anonymous No.22338059]

write it down then encrypt it in a veracrypt container with a long long passphrase. If I die my crypto dies with me.

[Anonymous No.22338067]

>have to remember 14 word seed phrase for money
>have to jump through multiple hoops to get $ in bank account or $ in crypto exchange
>have to remember passwords for above websites
>have to buy safes, usb sticks, laminate paper to safekeep seed phrase

>the future

[Anonymous No.22338079]

>>22337449
OP dont listen to this nigga. If you can store it on a CD and have it save from being burned you can literally write with permanent marker on the damn cd like god damnit.
>>22337009
Nigger just learn basic pottery and engrave the seed pass into a pot if you're so schizo. I have my seedphrase wrapped in aluminium foil and then plastic foil(water damage)and then taped into my kickdrum. Jesus christ its not hard.

[Anonymous No.22338099]

>>22337329

this guy gets it

[Anonymous No.22338130]

>>22337009
>>22337449
I just thought of another genius way. Webcam yourself pretending youre making a retarded YouTube video but the story is actually about your seed phrase. Then convert it knto VHS and send it to tosh.o for funny home videos then hope they upload it to YouTube so you can remember

[Anonymous No.22338156]

>>22337009
OP, get one of these. A titanium plate and you use a metal stamping kit to engrave your seed on it. Good luck burning this.

Nobody else in this thread has heard of this? No wonder you’re all fucking poor

[Anonymous No.22338168]

>>22338067
This is why there's things like idena and kleros that are looking to verify you are the owner of a private seed. So you can do decentralised password recovery and shit

[Anonymous No.22338182]

>>22337522
Hi Son, what you doing with that shovel?

[Anonymous No.22338183]

>>22337942
It all depends on how much money you have invested in crypto. Would you feel comfortable with $10-20k cash in that same lockbox? Would you feel alright with $100k in a fireproof safe? What about those people on biz who have upwards of $500k in crypto? Personally I believe that your level of security/redundancy should take into account what amount of funds you are trying to protect. Also consider what you would do/how you would access your funds if you had to leave your home with no preparation and no way to return.
My personal way of protecting my private keys is a multilayered approach with multiple wallets.

[Anonymous No.22338202]

>>22338156
>Ordering something so they can trace where you live and steal your dogecoin
Ngmi

[Anonymous No.22338214]

>>22338067
You can protect funds that nobody, either government or ex-wife etc can take from you in any way. Try doing that with fiat or your bank account.

[Anonymous No.22338218]

>>22338183
>if you had to leave your home with no preparation and no way to return.
This is honestly the reason why I stopped being so consoomer and started minimizing my belongings

[Anonymous No.22338241]

>>22338214
>Try doing that with fiat
Uh... Fiat is not that hard to do it with senpai. Hardware fiat that is

[Anonymous No.22338265]

>>22337336
Truly super stinky linkies

[Anonymous No.22338274]

Write a complicated email to yourself that uses all the words in that order, but with some way to tell which words are the key ones, like maybe the word before has a misspelling or the word after is unnecessarily capitalized.

[Anonymous No.22338283]

>>22337009
Take multiple pictures using disposable camera's or film cameras and save the the film.

[Anonymous No.22338309]

>>22338182
>I accidentally killed someone and I need to dispose of the body. Can you help me?
Really test out your old mans love for you.
But in all truth, who doesn't know when your parents are away for the weekend.

[Anonymous No.22338393]

>>22337866
>goes to jail for tax evasion
>gets bent over by Tyrone
>Tyrone memorizes the phrase from all the times he buttraped anon
>Tyrone gets out before anon

Thanks white boy

[Anonymous No.22338414]

I keep my seed in my balls

[Anonymous No.22338765]

>>22338218
Here is my hint as to how I protect my key and it allows you to hide it in plain sight, phone, email and computer without risk.
Get yourself a book, for example James Joyces Ulysses, or Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Hound of the Baskervilles. Find your seed phrase words in said book. Circle the word to their right or left. Write down as follows (you can freely type this and save it on your computer):
Wallet Number-No. of seed phrase word (1-24)-Page Number (0001)-Circled word number from start of page. It will look like this after. 11002816 12086718 etc. Freely write these numbers wherever you want. All you need to remember is the book and that your word is not actually the circled word but the one next to it or three words away etc.
No one will be able to access it. You can freely send the numbers to multiple fake email addresses. Save them in the cloud. Save copies on your phone and computer. Write them on your fridge. Tattoo them on your arm. Post them on message boards.
Even if I was stuck in a foreign country, as long as the internet exists, I could purchase a copy of my chosen book and determine my seed phrase (most of these books are available online for free).

[Anonymous No.22338782]

>>22337009
put it in a safety deposit box you mong.

[Anonymous No.22338801]

store it an email like proton mail with some sort of code breaker. Dont use this email for anything else.

[Anonymous No.22338816]

>>22337277
Based

[Anonymous No.22338959]

>>22338765
I might actually start setting up wallets with 0.5 eth in them doing this utilising random books and start posting the codes here on biz to see how long it takes people/if anyone can access it. Might even give them the book name to make it easier.

[Anonymous No.22339153]

Holy fuck, you guys are insane with trying to secure your seed phrases. I only have a couple of thousand in crypto and all what I did was take a screenshot of my seed phrase on my phone and laptop and just forgot about it.

[Anonymous No.22339169]

Get 24 thumbdrives anon

Use a PC that has never been connected to the Internet before. Pop in each thumbdrive and create a text file with one word on each drive. Destroy your PC physically. Mail each thumbdrive to 24 family members.

[Anonymous No.22339182]

>>22339153
your ip address so i can send you some ethereum sir

[Anonymous No.22339214]

>>22337009
I wrote mine on the back of a stop sign by my place of work

[Anonymous No.22339217]

>>22337329
Dont fucking do this
>be rakneesh, hack anon’s email
>oh one of those bad burger crypto wallet txts
>let me just try the words to the left and right of the bold
Before you do anything, try to break your system first. Good idea though, just keep breaking it in your head so someone else doesn’t.

[Anonymous No.22339227]

Seed phrases are dumb. I'll just write a script to generate and input a string of words and I'll be bound to get into your wallets sooner or later.

[Anonymous No.22339261]

>>22337419
>>22338099
Better than most but DO NOT DO THIS LIKE THIS! REMEMBER THE WAROSU. JEETS WILL PARSE FOR IDEAS. BREAK YOUR OWN SYSTEM

[Anonymous No.22339314]

>>22339227
>I'll be bound to get into your wallets sooner or later.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH BASED RETARD

[Anonymous No.22339327]

>>22337336
I hope the joggers don’t notice it while they’re down there licking

[Anonymous No.22339347]

>>22339327
He should be fine, they can't read.

[Anonymous No.22339401]

>>22339314
Jogger Pineapple Mash Private Ascending Bunny Television Wood Third Macho Zebra Tornado Alexander Yuppie Year Million Tractor Select Dancer Patter Minnesota Logan

BOOM 2500 BTC wallet hacked just like that. Smell ya later!

[Anonymous No.22339456]

>>22339401
wtf 1 word off..

[Anonymous No.22339661]

>>22338765
>he doesn’t realize there any many different editions in press
Welp

[Anonymous No.22339734]

literally the easiest, most secure way:

Pick the largest consecutive string of words that make sense. Memorize it. It may be good to re-roll the wallet a couple times.

print 3 copies of the seed phrase, but blank out those words with random underspaces. The computer has to brute force num_words^length but you remember [length] number of words in 1 sentence, which hopefully isn't hard.

[Anonymous No.22339749]

>>22337009
fireproof chest, they are like $50 on amazon. hide it in your closet

[Anonymous No.22339792]

>>22339734
in reality none of this obstruction matters. If crypto becomes big, someone will threaten your life or your loved ones and make you retrieve the phrase, rendering your techniques useless. Maybe sabotage your business or computer files.

So the biggest safety measure you can take is know how to deal with kidnapping, ransom, and blackmail.

[Anonymous No.22339842]

>>22338765
>Even if I was stuck in a foreign country, as long as the internet exists, I could purchase a copy of my chosen book
Welp now we know your technique we cant.

[Anonymous No.22339902]

>>22337009
yikes at these suggestions, um I dunno but have you thought about actually just storing them on coinbase? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Anonymous No.22339965]

>>22339842
You can choose nearly any book. I wouldnt list the actual book I utilise, just two good examples. Could use harry potter or lord of the rings.

[Anonymous No.22340011]

>>22337233
Consider fixing this

[Anonymous No.22340042]

>>22337397
Don't do this.

[Anonymous No.22340061]

>>22337009
Tattoo your private see on your gooch.

[Anonymous No.22340143]

>>22337009
Engrave it on fire resistant metal plates.
You can buy these kinds of things for crypto specific use.
However you better not travel and go through an X-ray scanner with this.

[Anonymous No.22340496]

>>22337009
>create a blank text file on my computer
>once a day, add 50 completely random words to the text file and save
>do this for about 20 days until I have a huge mass of 1,000 random words in the text file
>start up the hardware wallet for the first time then get my 24-word recovery seed
>write it down on a piece of paper
>after that, once a day type out 50 random words to add onto the text file, except one of those words is actually one of the words from the recovery seed
>repeat this for 23 more days until all 24 words from the list are now in the text file
>all 24 words are now placed in a certain pattern among the mass of hundreds of other random words in the text file, so that only I would be able to pick out the right words in the right order from the text file by memorizing that certain pattern, as opposed to memorizing random words
>doing all of the above in the mentioned particular order/method, in case my computer has a keylogger or is being remotely monitored
>zip and password-protect text file with a simple password with numbers and special characters that I can easily remember
>store several copies of the zipped text file in several forms of storage, online and offline; this way if my computer hard drive fails then I have it under my email, if I lose my email then I have it on my flash drive, if my flash drive stops working then I have it on my external storage/cloud, etc.
>destroy the paper with the 24-word recovery seed on it
Problem solved, motherfucker
Kek at keeping what may be the most important passphrase you'll ever have on a physical thing that can either be lost, destroyed or stolen

[Anonymous No.22340520]

i used high resolution picture to store my seed phase. only way to know is zooming in.

[Anonymous No.22340623]

>>22337583
Imagine an Indiana Jones style movie about trying to find a anons seed phrase

[Anonymous No.22340832]

>>22339792
seems like a good point to add itt to also know when to shut the fuck up about things. good not to brag about crypto, somebody might remember in a few years from now if it becomes big

[Anonymous No.22340889]

Can’t you just Zip archive it with aes-256?

[Anonymous No.22340983]

>>22337009
The best way is to hide it in some kind of puzzle (I won't detail further than this, think of something). Then put copies of that puzzle into a folder that looks like a kids folder or something, encrypt it, upload it to cloud storage and put on multiple computers. Leave the first seed word out of the puzzle and write that one down everywhere/burn it into your memory so even if someone where to hack the folder and figure out what was there they still couldn't decipher it.

[Anonymous No.22341048]

>>22340983
that monkey trades better than 90% of biz

[Anonymous No.22341103]

>>22340520
> he doesn't know about OCR

[Anonymous No.22341111]

Keep mine next to my nugjar and bowl in my undie drawer on a shitty piece of paper

[Anonymous No.22341281]

>>22339792
even better, never let anyone know you have a nontrivial amount of crypto

[Anonymous No.22341344]

>>22339734
if they have some public addresses belonging to your seed, brute forcing becomes much easier
sounds like a lot of effort and not very safe.

[Anonymous No.22341391]

>>22337009
Engrave it on metal

[Anonymous No.22341432]

>>22338067
That's the cost of privacy.

[Anonymous No.22341458]

>>22337329
You’re a mad dog

[Anonymous No.22341481]

>>22338067
>>22341432
the cost of being an early adopter. don't worry before 2030 you'll have cozy banks who'll take care of all that for boomers. it's just that those bitcoins might cost 10m each by then

[Anonymous No.22341492]

>>22337009
Lastpass

[Anonymous No.22341508]

>>22337329
if you only ever did it yourself, it'd be an okay method. now that you've written it on the internet it's absolute trash dont do this anyone

[Anonymous No.22341510]

>>22337009
>any other way of backing it up?
Is the CIA good for America?

[Anonymous No.22341557]

>>22337583
You were doing so well with the advice... Don't do this, seed splitting is stupid.

[Anonymous No.22341589]

Why don't you brainlets just memorise your seed phrase.

It's only 24 words how hard is it.

[Anonymous No.22341638]

>>22337009
i just emailed it to myself lol. you guys too fucking paranoid, do you hear about peoples multi-billion dollar brokerage accounts getting stolen? no? then dont worry abouy your 5-6 figures of shitcoins lol.

[Anonymous No.22341639]

Write it on the back of a picture and keep it in your wallet last

Write it down and put it somewhere in your mom's house she will never find or tell her so she won't touch it

Tattoo

Make a souncloud account and title alll the songs accordingly

[Anonymous No.22341645]

>>22337009
I wrote mine on the bottom of the rocks in my fish tank.

[Anonymous No.22341659]

>>22341638
ye i posted it on my facebook wall and also on some friends' so i don't forget / lost it even if my account gets locked

[Anonymous No.22341677]

>learn multiple languages
>write your seed phrase down using a mix of foreign words
>make a few copies and keep them in safe places
>also make a few fakes and leave them just laying around in obvious places

[Anonymous No.22341694]

>>22341638
One is reversible, the other is not

[Anonymous No.22341699]

>>22338393
I don’t know what I expected

[Anonymous No.22341719]

>>22341677
>robber in your home
>finds fake plates
>tries them, takes no time on a laptop
>searches in safe place
>uses translate.google.com with detect language feature on words
>o shit

[Anonymous No.22341757]

>>22341719
>implying a basic bitch jogger who breaks into homes will even know what to do with a seed phrase, let alone take time to try it out on the spot

[Anonymous No.22341770]

>>22337009
You could also buy books, each beginning with the word of your phrase, and arrange on your bookshelf.

[Anonymous No.22341774]

>>22341757
okay my method is 10,000x safer and simpler but sadly the more people know about a method like this the less safe it becomes so soz but no sharing

[Anonymous No.22341787]

>>22341774
10,000x was an extreme understament. it's more 10^3452x safer

[Anonymous No.22341800]

>>22337021
this
make a gay little song and memorize it.
Take your links to the grave.

[Anonymous No.22341828]

these are mostly retarded.
Most of these methods dont add nearly as much security as you think, causing you to let you guard down and then put your (badly) obfuscated seed phrase on your computer and cloud storage. it will get brute forced if you do this.

some rules:
keep it offline.
keep it in the form of your 24 words
treat is as the nuclear codes to your wealth - create multiple copies and store them securely.

stamp on metal plates and hide one in an innocent place in your house, your parents house, possibly a third location thats in a property you own.
Now that the phrase is only in meatspace, you only have to worry about people irl knowing to look for a seed phrase, so:
dont tell anyone you own crypto (otherwise an attacker will just beat you with a pipe until you tell them, doesnt matter how encrypted it is)
hide your phrase somewhere inside where no thief would ever look

[Anonymous No.22341855]

>>22340623
>raiders of the lost wallet

[Anonymous No.22341910]

reminder to use a passphrase in addition to your seed

[Anonymous No.22341913]

>>22337009
>didn’t tattoo it on the back of his head

[Anonymous No.22341915]

>>22338202
mine is buried out back, gl only 40 acres to search

[Anonymous No.22341998]

>>22341828
>hide your phrase somewhere inside where no thief would ever look
Worth having a decoy wallet with only a small but sizeable amount in it.
Reveal this first, hopefully they buy it

Ideally decoy meatspace words
And memorise true account words

[Anonymous No.22342079]

>>22337009
>new folder
>new folder
>new folder
>new folder
>homework
>text file with seed phrase

[Anonymous No.22342175]

>>22342079
so next to my porn?

[Anonymous No.22342639]

>>22340496
This one seems like a good one
Someone tell me what's the flaw in this one. How can a hacker tell which 24 words out of 1000 words are the seed phrase?

[Anonymous No.22342789]

>>22337729
No. Unless you are a VIP / person of interest.

[Anonymous No.22342832]

>>22337329
Except seed words can only be specific words so they can search the email for any words in the list of possible seed words.

[Anonymous No.22342870]

>>22337009
Just remember it bro

[Anonymous No.22342901]

>>22339153
>App would like to access your Photos

[Anonymous No.22342923]

>>22341281
This. "I fucking sold all my LINK at $4 man"

[Anonymous No.22342973]

>>22342639
You have to use these words (depending on blockchain)
https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039/english.txt

And his method can be done in a single day.

[Anonymous No.22343211]

>>22342973
Wait a minute, so the hardware wallet only picks the 24-word seed from this list of 2000 words?
I thought it issued completely random words from the more than 150k words in the English language
So what's stopping someone from finding a wallet/keystore and just brute-forcing combinations from this 2000-word list to access someone's wallet? Shouldn't that be possible and not take very long?

[Anonymous No.22343228]

>>22342639
>>22340496

maybe being retarded but I don't follow it to be honest

Assuming that all the 'random' words used are valid words (bip-0039)....

If you're putting a seed word in the same position in the 50 words every day or in any sort of easily remembered pattern then it could be bruted by someone trying all manners of elementary patterns

If not then you've still got to remember the pattern or the words which you might forget

Why are you taking 44 days to do this? If it's to avoid a keylogger then just do it on an offline machine

[Anonymous No.22343240]

>>22337009
Get a tattoo on your ass.

[Anonymous No.22343243]

>>22337695
Writing passwords down nowadays is one of the safest places you can keep it. You one of those "let google remember my bank information, it's cool!" types?

[Anonymous No.22343260]

>>22338156
I did this but the stamper I got was shit so I spent another $10 on an engraver and it was much better.

[Anonymous No.22343263]

>>22343211

A random guess is something like 2000 raised to the 24th power. Today's computer's can't brute force that in any reasonable amount of time.

[Anonymous No.22343369]

>>22337009
Just put in the cloud storage like google drive retarded

[Anonymous No.22343431]

Tattoo it on your crotch

[Anonymous No.22343448]

>>22343228
>If you're putting a seed word in the same position in the 50 words every day or in any sort of easily remembered pattern then it could be bruted by someone trying all manners of elementary patterns
So let's say for example that my birthday is September 14th, i.e. 9-14
And my phone unlock code is 2-4-6-8
Both of these are burned into my brain
So putting them together, that's 9-14-2-4-6-8
What if, within a mass of random-order bip-0039 list of 2000 words that I type out myself, at some point I put one of my seed words as the 9th word in the list, then the next seed word as the 14th word after that, and so on while repeating that same 9-14-2-4-6-8 pattern, until all 24 seed words are in?
Can someone still somehow detect that pattern, and all those seed words via brute force?

[Anonymous No.22343515]

>>22338067
You forgot to tell us to just use the (((banking system))) Mr. Shekelberg

[Anonymous No.22343574]

>>22337009
This, some stainless steel and a hammer.

[Anonymous No.22343664]

>>22337422
Super expensive. Just buy some punch letters.

[Anonymous No.22343678]

>>22337021
This isn't reliable. Head injury, drugs or rogue prions could erase it.

[askelm.com No.22343679]

>>22337009
fireproof safe

[Anonymous No.22343700]

>>22337009
I went to a tattoo parlor and have 90% of my private keys tattooed on my left but cheek. The other 10% I have in my head.

[Anonymous No.22343717]

cryptotag

[Anonymous No.22343745]

>>22337009
i hide mine inside my dogs butthoole

[Anonymous No.22343761]

>>22339153
This nigga doesn't realize his crypto can moon and then some random shitware will steal his phrase and money. ngmi.

[Anonymous No.22343861]

>we know he has linkies go hit him with this wrench until he gives us the right password
retards

[Anonymous No.22343922]

>>22342639
>>22340496
>create a blank text file on my computer
on your computer = vulnerable to attackers
>once a day, add 50 completely random words to the text file and save
>do this for about 20 days until I have a huge mass of 1,000 random words
they wont be random. humans are terrible at actually being random.
>start up the hardware wallet for the first time then get my 24-word recovery seed
>write it down on a piece of paper
why not just stop here, you have a seed offline and secure. tuck it in the first page of your favorite porno mag that you hide under the bed.
>once a day type out 50 random words to add onto the text file, except one of those words is actually one of the words from the recovery seed
>repeat this for 23 more days until all 24 words from the list are now in the text file
>all 24 words are now placed in a certain pattern among the other random words in the text file, so that only I would be able to pick out the right words in the right order from the text file by memorizing that certain pattern, as opposed to memorizing random words
honestly it'd be easier to memorize the random words than the pattern. Plus, the random words you type in to the file would have to be from the same worlist as seed words, otherwise i could just extract words from your file that are on the wordlist & i'd have your seed.
> in case my computer has a keylogger or is being remotely monitored
hence keeping it offline
>zip and password-protect text file with a simple password with numbers and special characters that I can easily remember
if this is secure, just zip & password protect (assuming the encryption is secure) your actual seed in a txt doc, memorize the encryption key - this is what OGs do with wallet.dat

[Anonymous No.22343989]

>>22343922
>>zip and password-protect text file with a simple password with numbers and special characters that I can easily remember
elaborating on this, if the password is simple, it's not secure, so you may as well not do it.
This is what i mean when i say you'll trick yourself into thinking you seed is secure just because the process sounds complicated to a human.
the password will need to be at least 128 bits of randomness, which would look something like this length:
>7bb1-c1a5-a566-8d4d-3f23-48e1-6164-f24d
again, if you cant memorise that, and you're going to have to write it down, you may as well have just written your seed down and kept it.

If the attack vector youre guarding against is a keylogger, keep it offline. Then just keep your crypto anonymous & youre protected from people trying to find a seed phrase in your apt.

[Anonymous No.22344245]

>>22338067
freedom ain't free son

[Anonymous No.22344334]

>>22337009
Put it in in keepass and make sure you make a backup and put it somewhere safe in case your computer shits the bed

[Anonymous No.22344343]

>>22339217
>Before you do anything, try to break your system first
t. wizard

[Anonymous No.22344373]

>>22337009
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography_tools

[Anonymous No.22344513]

>>22337009
make a series of threads with the first word of each thread one of your seed words, save all the threads in a zip and email them. If anyone finds it you are just a schizo from /biz/

[Anonymous No.22344549]

>>22337009
Tattoo it on the inside of your bottom lip like wiggers used to do.

[Anonymous No.22344763]

>>22337329